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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 14:24:33 GMT
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 7, 2020 14:59:46 GMT
I also read that the Bible he held was a Revised Standard Version (RSV Bible). This is a version of the Bible which many evangelicals object to due to its 'revisions' of the Bible.
It was transported to the Photo Op in JAP Ivanka's $1500 Max Mara handbag (she doesn't even use her own Chinese made products).
I am sure she had to scramble through the WH asking staffers "who has a Bible here?" and in her infinite knowledge, didn't even question if there were different versions of the Bible.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jun 7, 2020 15:45:29 GMT
I'm a Christian and when I saw him doing that, I was revolted by his actions. What he had the police do prior to his walk to the church and then holding up a bible (which in my opinion he doesn't even believe in). The bible is not a prop! Many Christians I know were not happy about that. I so hope he is voted out of office in your next election. (I'm in Canada)
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Post by Skellinton on Jun 7, 2020 15:49:56 GMT
And t he was asked if it was his bible and he said “It’s a Bible.”
Makes the whole charade even more ridiculous. No wonder he had such a hard time figuring out how to hold it.
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Post by sueg on Jun 7, 2020 16:18:02 GMT
And t he was asked if it was his bible and he said “It’s a Bible.” Makes the whole charade even more ridiculous. No wonder he had such a hard time figuring out how to hold it. My granddaughter does a better job of working out which way up to hold a book, and she'e only 15 months old!
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 7, 2020 16:20:35 GMT
I get that he just has the face of an asshole and he often looks stupid when smiling, but damn...
I just have no idea who would come up with this idea...hey the country is protesting and rioting and looting. Let's move the protestors out of the way and stand in front of a church with a Bible. That will make things better
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Post by danalz on Jun 7, 2020 16:34:58 GMT
I have a former co worker who is convinced he is a good Christian man and that he would have gone into the church to pray if "those liberal protesters and looters" hadn't burned it.
She is also convinced that COVID and the protests are a plot to get Trump out of office. Even more shocking....she is mother to two biracial children.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 7, 2020 16:49:25 GMT
I have a former co worker who is convinced he is a good Christian man and that he would have gone into the church to pray if "those liberal protesters and looters" hadn't burned it. She is also convinced that COVID and the protests are a plot to get Trump out of office. Even more shocking....she is mother to two biracial children. A good Christian man who has cheated on every wife he has ever had. I don’t get it. I really don’t get how super religious people can back this man.
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Post by danalz on Jun 7, 2020 17:23:36 GMT
I have a former co worker who is convinced he is a good Christian man and that he would have gone into the church to pray if "those liberal protesters and looters" hadn't burned it. She is also convinced that COVID and the protests are a plot to get Trump out of office. Even more shocking....she is mother to two biracial children. A good Christian man who has cheated on every wife he has ever had. I don’t get it. I really don’t get how super religious people can back this man. When I mentioned this exact point she then said that Bill Clinton cheated on his wife while he was in office. Trump cheated years ago and has repented. It sounds like I'm talking with a member of a cult. I actually told her that I was concerned for her mental health. She just laughed and called me uneducated.
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Post by annaintx on Jun 7, 2020 17:31:28 GMT
This is why evangelicals think he's fantastic. They can justify everything because he is God's anointed. Or some shit like that. Copied/Pasted from some super religious conservative website I won't even link to. If you google "trump salty sailor" you can easily find it.
Guest Opinion: Trump "The Salty Sailor" Wednesday, August 21, 2019 Read this once, pause for a minute or two to think honestly about it, then read it again. I can find no fault with it. The views this Guest opinion 4mother has about Donald Trump are much like many other people. Her characterization of Trump as the "Salty Sailor" or as “The Fireman” paint an excellent picture!! She has written many great books about her son and family. This is a Comment from KAREN VAUGHN, Mother of Aaron Vaughn, Navy Seal.
Sometimes God uses the no-nonsense, salty sailor to get the job done. Appreciating what the man is doing doesn't mean we worship the salty sailor or even desire to be like the salty sailor. It doesn't even mean God admires the salty sailor. Maybe He just knows he's necessary for such a time as this. I believe with all my heart that God placed that salty sailor in the White House to give this nation one more chance in November 2016. Donald Trump is what he is – and he is still the man he was before the election – and without guilt. I very much admire what that salty sailor is accomplishing. He's not like me. That's okay with me. I don't want to be like him. I will never behave like him. I know we've NEVER had a man like him lead our nation before. It's crazy and a little mind-blowing at times. But I can't help admire the stamina and ability he has – acting with his heart rather than a calculated, PC, think tank-screened, carefully edited script. I still believe that is WHY he became our President and WHY he's been able to handle a landslide of adversity and STILL pass unprecedented amounts of good legislation for our country AND do great works for MANY other nations, including Israel. I'm THRILLED with what he's doing for my nation, for the cause of Christ (whether intentional or unintentional, doesn't matter to me), and for the concept of rebuilding America and putting her FIRST. I will not be ashamed of my position because others don't see him through the same lens. Should it matter to me if a fireman drops an f-bomb while he's pulling me from a burning building? Would I really care about what came out of his mouth in those moments? Heck no! I'd CARE about what he was DOING. He wasn't sent there to save my soul and I'm not looking to him for spiritual guidance. All I'm thinking in those moments is, "Thank you, GOD, for sending the fireman.” AND DONALD TRUMP IS OUR FIREMAN. I'll soon post this article again for those who still might not understand me. This man is crass. Okay. He's not careful with what he says. Okay. You feel offended that he's not a typical statesman. Okay. But he is DOING THE JOB of rebuilding the nation my son died for... the nation I feared was on a fast track to becoming a hopeless cause. Forgive me if I'm smiling." Written by KAREN VAUGHN
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 7, 2020 17:34:15 GMT
I have a former co worker who is convinced he is a good Christian man and that he would have gone into the church to pray if "those liberal protesters and looters" hadn't burned it. She is also convinced that COVID and the protests are a plot to get Trump out of office. Even more shocking....she is mother to two biracial children. A good Christian man who has cheated on every wife he has ever had. I don’t get it. I really don’t get how super religious people can back this man. Because super religious people are a few bricks short of a load and will believe anything that some con tells them.
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Post by gar on Jun 7, 2020 17:35:43 GMT
Oh well that explains a lot. How very convenient that they don't have to bother themselves with his actual lack of Christ-like behaviours and thoughts
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 7, 2020 17:36:47 GMT
This is why evangelicals think he's fantastic. They can justify everything because he is God's anointed. Or some shit like that. Copied/Pasted from some super religious conservative website I won't even link to. If you google "trump salty sailor" you can easily find it. Guest Opinion: Trump "The Salty Sailor" Wednesday, August 21, 2019 Read this once, pause for a minute or two to think honestly about it, then read it again. I can find no fault with it. The views this Guest opinion 4mother has about Donald Trump are much like many other people. Her characterization of Trump as the "Salty Sailor" or as “The Fireman” paint an excellent picture!! She has written many great books about her son and family. This is a Comment from KAREN VAUGHN, Mother of Aaron Vaughn, Navy Seal. Sometimes God uses the no-nonsense, salty sailor to get the job done. Appreciating what the man is doing doesn't mean we worship the salty sailor or even desire to be like the salty sailor. It doesn't even mean God admires the salty sailor. Maybe He just knows he's necessary for such a time as this. I believe with all my heart that God placed that salty sailor in the White House to give this nation one more chance in November 2016. Donald Trump is what he is – and he is still the man he was before the election – and without guilt. I very much admire what that salty sailor is accomplishing. He's not like me. That's okay with me. I don't want to be like him. I will never behave like him. I know we've NEVER had a man like him lead our nation before. It's crazy and a little mind-blowing at times. But I can't help admire the stamina and ability he has – acting with his heart rather than a calculated, PC, think tank-screened, carefully edited script. I still believe that is WHY he became our President and WHY he's been able to handle a landslide of adversity and STILL pass unprecedented amounts of good legislation for our country AND do great works for MANY other nations, including Israel. I'm THRILLED with what he's doing for my nation, for the cause of Christ (whether intentional or unintentional, doesn't matter to me), and for the concept of rebuilding America and putting her FIRST. I will not be ashamed of my position because others don't see him through the same lens. Should it matter to me if a fireman drops an f-bomb while he's pulling me from a burning building? Would I really care about what came out of his mouth in those moments? Heck no! I'd CARE about what he was DOING. He wasn't sent there to save my soul and I'm not looking to him for spiritual guidance. All I'm thinking in those moments is, "Thank you, GOD, for sending the fireman.” AND DONALD TRUMP IS OUR FIREMAN. I'll soon post this article again for those who still might not understand me. This man is crass. Okay. He's not careful with what he says. Okay. You feel offended that he's not a typical statesman. Okay. But he is DOING THE JOB of rebuilding the nation my son died for... the nation I feared was on a fast track to becoming a hopeless cause. Forgive me if I'm smiling." Written by KAREN VAUGHN This particular Karen will burn in hell.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 7, 2020 17:38:04 GMT
It's worth reflecting on why he would think this would be a helpful gesture, and why anyone would receive it as such. Given the lack of evidence that he has any religious devotion, why would people believe that he has it? Given his behavior, why would people consider him God's chosen?
And why would black evangelical churches view him differently than white evangelical churches? When people think of him as chosen by God, chose by God . . . to do what?
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Post by luckyjune on Jun 7, 2020 17:56:38 GMT
I was hoping he'd read from Two Corinthians during his photo op. No such luck.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jun 7, 2020 18:04:20 GMT
I’m on the last episode of The Family on Netflix.
It explains a lot. The evangelicals in power don’t care how much you sin, if you are a tyrant, whether you repent, if you know anything about the a bible, or even if you are a Christian. As long as you are willing to “talk Jesus” and have potential-power, you are anointed as one of their own. Jesus + nothing. That’s their catchphrase.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 18:10:45 GMT
I have a former co worker who is convinced he is a good Christian man and that he would have gone into the church to pray if "those liberal protesters and looters" hadn't burned it. She is also convinced that COVID and the protests are a plot to get Trump out of office. Even more shocking....she is mother to two biracial children. If he were a human, he would have fallen to his knees and sobbed for mercy , understanding and a forgiveness.
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Post by Jili on Jun 7, 2020 18:50:06 GMT
Please listen to the latest episode ofthis podcast. It’s worth 5 minutes of your time. It’s called “The Park”.: thememorypalace.us/I listened to it on Apple podcasts.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 7, 2020 18:58:04 GMT
RE: The Salty Sailor. WTAF? People will twist into some pretty interesting contortions to justify all the horrible things he does. That’s just nuts.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 7, 2020 19:08:24 GMT
I'm a Christian and when I saw him doing that, I was revolted by his actions. What he had the police do prior to his walk to the church and then holding up a bible (which in my opinion he doesn't even believe in). The bible is not a prop! Many Christians I know were not happy about that. I so hope he is voted out of office in your next election. (I'm in Canada) He lost me when he said Two Corinthians. Well, actually he never had me, but saying Second Corinthians that way made my head jolt. My fifth grade bible school teacher would have had a hey day with that. I am pretty sure that most religious people that support him truly do not think he is a Christian, but he says the right things (at times) and puts in conservative judges and that is why they voted for him.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 7, 2020 19:09:55 GMT
I was hoping he'd read from Two Corinthians during his photo op. No such luck. You are my people. It has been my favorite "religious" thing he has said so far.
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Post by tara on Jun 7, 2020 20:02:01 GMT
A good Christian man who has cheated on every wife he has ever had. I don’t get it. I really don’t get how super religious people can back this man. When I mentioned this exact point she then said that Bill Clinton cheated on his wife while he was in office. Trump cheated years ago and has repented. It sounds like I'm talking with a member of a cult. I actually told her that I was concerned for her mental health. She just laughed and called me uneducated. Sometimes you just can’t fix stupid. 🤷♀️
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Post by snugglebutter on Jun 7, 2020 22:12:28 GMT
We got a mass email from the pastor of a church we attended years ago in a different city, and he referenced the photo saying "I'm proud of my president. I and my Bible stand by him. His picture was a profile in courage. You will be hard pressed to find a parallel photograph of a president in the 20th or 21st Century."
I'm completely baffled. (Dh and I were already considering a change in churches when we moved, but at the time it was for other reasons.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 1:14:40 GMT
We got a mass email from the pastor of a church we attended years ago in a different city, and he referenced the photo saying "I'm proud of my president. I and my Bible stand by him. His picture was a profile in courage. You will be hard pressed to find a parallel photograph of a president in the 20th or 21st Century."I'm completely baffled. (Dh and I were already considering a change in churches when we moved, but at the time it was for other reasons.) Here's hoping the young run further and faster away from that type of decrepit "courage". The church is destroying itself with that kind of philosophy and I have no sympathy.
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Post by jayfab on Jun 8, 2020 1:34:24 GMT
This is why evangelicals think he's fantastic. They can justify everything because he is God's anointed. Or some shit like that. Copied/Pasted from some super religious conservative website I won't even link to. If you google "trump salty sailor" you can easily find it. Guest Opinion: Trump "The Salty Sailor" Wednesday, August 21, 2019 Read this once, pause for a minute or two to think honestly about it, then read it again. I can find no fault with it. The views this Guest opinion 4mother has about Donald Trump are much like many other people. Her characterization of Trump as the "Salty Sailor" or as “The Fireman” paint an excellent picture!! She has written many great books about her son and family. This is a Comment from KAREN VAUGHN, Mother of Aaron Vaughn, Navy Seal. Sometimes God uses the no-nonsense, salty sailor to get the job done. Appreciating what the man is doing doesn't mean we worship the salty sailor or even desire to be like the salty sailor. It doesn't even mean God admires the salty sailor. Maybe He just knows he's necessary for such a time as this. I believe with all my heart that God placed that salty sailor in the White House to give this nation one more chance in November 2016. Donald Trump is what he is – and he is still the man he was before the election – and without guilt. I very much admire what that salty sailor is accomplishing. He's not like me. That's okay with me. I don't want to be like him. I will never behave like him. I know we've NEVER had a man like him lead our nation before. It's crazy and a little mind-blowing at times. But I can't help admire the stamina and ability he has – acting with his heart rather than a calculated, PC, think tank-screened, carefully edited script. I still believe that is WHY he became our President and WHY he's been able to handle a landslide of adversity and STILL pass unprecedented amounts of good legislation for our country AND do great works for MANY other nations, including Israel. I'm THRILLED with what he's doing for my nation, for the cause of Christ (whether intentional or unintentional, doesn't matter to me), and for the concept of rebuilding America and putting her FIRST. I will not be ashamed of my position because others don't see him through the same lens. Should it matter to me if a fireman drops an f-bomb while he's pulling me from a burning building? Would I really care about what came out of his mouth in those moments? Heck no! I'd CARE about what he was DOING. He wasn't sent there to save my soul and I'm not looking to him for spiritual guidance. All I'm thinking in those moments is, "Thank you, GOD, for sending the fireman.” AND DONALD TRUMP IS OUR FIREMAN. I'll soon post this article again for those who still might not understand me. This man is crass. Okay. He's not careful with what he says. Okay. You feel offended that he's not a typical statesman. Okay. But he is DOING THE JOB of rebuilding the nation my son died for... the nation I feared was on a fast track to becoming a hopeless cause. Forgive me if I'm smiling." Written by KAREN VAUGHN What the everloving hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 14:53:41 GMT
Was this asinine bible-prop photo-op the final tipping point (how the thousands of other atrocities against the institution of the presidency weren't enough is beyond me, but...)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 14:56:18 GMT
From the link:
"It was a winning strategy to crow about a border wall with Mexico, but it’s a loser — and a sign of pure cowardice — to build one around your own White House. He once basked in the reflected glow of “his generals”; now those generals are laying waste to him, with James Mattis, his former defense secretary, explicitly condemning Trump’s immature and divisive leadership, and John Kelly, the president’s former chief of staff, saying yep, sounds about right.
Maybe there was a time when religious conservatives would have applauded a photo of Trump standing in front of St. John’s Episcopal Church, Bible in hand. But using pepper balls and flash-bang grenades to clear anguished protesters out of the way backfired. The Episcopal bishop of Washington reacted in horror; Trump’s support among white Catholics slipped 11 points between April and May.
Maybe there was a time when stigmatizing all progressive protesters as invading marauders would have worked — bigotry, it gets the job done — but not now. His proposal to suppress the tumult with the military was greeted with disapproval by his current secretary of defense, Mark Esper, and disgust by Mattis; the Black Lives Matter movement now polls at an all-time high, with 66 percent of Americans disapproving of how Trump has handled the response to George Floyd’s death.
Trump is flailing like an overturned turtle. A historic health crisis, an economic crisis and a social crisis all at once — it’s far too much for a reality TV star to handle, no more manageable than it’d be for him to land an airplane. What this moment may have revealed, ironically enough, is that only in a time of stability and outrageous decadence could the United States have had the luxury of picking such a dark and divisive candidate with the intellectual firepower of a water gun. When Trump asked voters “What have you got to lose?” most never dreamed that the answer could be: Everything."
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Post by Dallie on Jun 8, 2020 15:06:29 GMT
If he was worried about evangelical numbers, he shouldn't have gone to an Episcopal church. Evangelicals hate Episcopalians more than Catholics, since ECUSA has not only has women priests, but gay clergy.
I am sure he thinks a church is a church and has no idea that there are churches and Christians who oppose his principles and actions.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 8, 2020 15:15:05 GMT
he's been able to handle a landslide of adversity and STILL pass unprecedented amounts of good legislation for our country AND do great works for MANY other nations, including Israel. this is what the key is, for a lot of them, I think. No matter what he's like *personally* they think what he's doing is good for the country. (which means DT and the Republicans are doing a heckuva snow job on their supporters, because the only people they're actually helping are HIMISELF, the rich business-people who own the companies, and his personal friends and cronies.) eta: I know femalebusiness didn't personally say that-- it's from the article written by Karen Vaughn-- but the quote feature is wonky.
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Post by artgirl1 on Jun 8, 2020 17:10:24 GMT
"I'm proud of my president. I and my Bible stand by him. His picture was a profile in courage. You will be hard pressed to find a parallel photograph of a president in the 20th or 21st Century." Let's just concentrate on the 21st century; Bush consoling firefighters after 9/11 Bush consoling victims following Katrina Obama starring down Putin Obama consoling parents after Sandy Hook Obama consoling victims of Joplin tornado Obama visiting victims of Colorado Theatre shooting Obama walking Arlington Cemetery following Memorial Day address Oh hell, any pic of Obama on Pete Souza Insta
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