Do police LEO’s just not get it, or just don’t care???

it would seem they only allow first amendment rights when agreeable to them.  If not, arrest.   Grrr....

That hits home even more when it's where you lived & thought that it was a pretty peaceful place for 48 years. I'm talking about the LI video. That guy barely touched the cop and then the 6 cops were ready to cuff him and surround him on the ground. WTF?

I watched the videos last night and today of Friday night's shooting. I guess it's pointless to even look into each murder or video of excessive violence by police since nothing changes. It makes me cringe and I pray that this will be a turning point instead of a point in time where we're going backwards.

Hi,
That's not totally accurate.
Some departments have a 21 week academy. But then the majority also add a year in FTO, which is you ride with a training officer who evaluates, educates and corrects.
Here our "Academy" BLET is 6 months 60-80 hours a week, 80% of our sworn LEO's have a college degree and have worked as DO'S for a couple of years before BLET(they've worked the jails).
This is all in addition to the addtional hours upon hours of required training(in-service)ongoing training,DOJ, OJJ, De-Escaltion, Law Updates, Policy updates, Federal, State, local training, Firearms and on and on and on.
Husband has been an FTO for years and has sent many back from the road. If they aren't fit, there is no way he will sign off on putting someone on the road.
Reform not only needs to happen with hiring but also training standards. The training officers that are hard asses are the ones you want. The ones who can say nope, no your not fit to do this.

This was an extremely interesting read. And very thought-provoking. 
Thank you for linking this.

I’m not an expert, and have never studied the issue. However, when I was thinking about the training issue and heard that most police academies are five weeks long, I thought: “I went to law school and took a class in both criminal law and criminal procedure but if you put a badge on me and threw me out on the streets and told me to serve a warrant, I would have a hard time making split second decisions like “can I open this file cabinet under this particular search warrant?” Having to make a split second decision about whether I have probable cause to pull someone over sounds extremely stressful.

Honestly, I think you could spend five weeks just learning about probable cause. 

I do think it’s a good thing that rookies ride around with experienced officers when they are starting out, but it can be a two edged sword if the more experienced officer has picked up bad habits he learned from his supervising officers.

I think being a police officer is one of the most stressful jobs there is and it isn’t fair to put someone on the street w/out adequate training. I’m no expert, but I would think that it would take at least a year of very specific training before an officer would have all the knowledge they needed before actually going out on the streets. In a perfect world, every officer would have a four year degree in law enforcement. Even then I’m sure it takes years’ of experience before an officer truly feels comfortable doing their job.

I think a big part of the problem we are in today stems from the fact that we don’t adequately train and support our police force. I think it would be in everybody’s best interest, especially the police officers themselves, if we provided the training they deserve.

By the way, I just finished the Malcolm Gladwell book Talking to Strangers. He covers the factors in the Sandra Bland case. It is extremely interesting - I can’t recommend it enough.

Another thing that I think would really help police officers is if they did rotations during their training like a medical intern does. They could spend a few days shadowing a public defender, a social worker, an emergency room doctor, a school principal, etc. I think it would help those future officers to see how other professionals handle stressful situations. I'm sure those other professionals could share a lot of stories about times police officers handled situations well and times they have made situations worse. I also think it would help the future officers to see how everyone in the system is working towards the same goal and how police officers best fill their role.

I think it's easy for members of any profession to fall into an "us" v. "them" mentality, but when you are a police officer putting your life on the line day in and day out, I think you would be especially vulnerable to that type of mentality. I think it would be very helpful if future officers understood that there were other professionals out there who understood the pressure they were under and would be available to offer some support and advice from a different perspective. And that would work both ways-the other professionals could probably learn a lot from the police officers they help mentor.

That’s an amazing idea! They should also receive additional support and mitigation around burnout. In my burnout research I came across research on burnout by occupation, comparing police officers to teachers.
So the main hallmarks of burnout is emotional exhaustion, cynicism toward the workplace and callousness toward others.

Teachers experience burnout as elevated exhaustion and feeling overwhelmed. They do not score higher on cynicism or callousness.

Police officers are the opposite - they do not experience overwhelm but they do experience cynicism and callousness.

The reason for these occupational differences is not yet known, and may be impacted by gender as these are two exceptionally gender-specific professions. But these are professions that are prone to burnout, and burnout and would substantially exacerbate systemic racism.

My youngest has always wanted to be a LEO. He is starting his 2nd year of college studying criminal justice and will apply for the academy later this year. He has wanted to be a police officer since he was little and is seriously reconsidering now. He has the kindest heart and was going into law enforcement to be the change. He isn't sure now. He and his cousin who is Las Vegas PD have had many late night conversations about "what now". 

Yes, and the ones stomping off and quitting are the ones we want gone. They are quitting because they are going to be held responsible for their brutality and abuse and won't be able to get by with it anymore. Poor cops, they are being watched closely now.

Would love that, but here's the rub....where do we get the money. They want the officers to do this and that but they don't want them to pull overtime.
This year the cost of living raises are gone because of the overtime they had to shell out for the protests and for the next 365 days. 365 days that how long they have a permit for and they have to be on call which means paid.


Here we have alot of outside agenices teach training, The ADA teaches law review, a doctor teaches triage, an ex miltary teaches OSB, a mental health group teaches mental health, dealing with mental diease and several others. We have several doctors on staff that offer mental health and care, no going through EAP, you go make an appointment and go. No notifying command and no. O-pays.
I say bring in more outside teachers, they would welcome it.
Ladies keep the disscussion going, thanks for being civil. This is how we should be discussing.
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