Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 22, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 6:19:20 GMT
|
|
smginaz Suzy
Pearl Clutcher
Je suis desole.
Posts: 2,606
Jun 26, 2014 17:27:30 GMT
|
Post by smginaz Suzy on Jun 18, 2020 7:24:29 GMT
Erin condren is the poster child for white privilege. She's every Karen, Becky, and Gertrude combined. I mean, she's white privileged for white people. Not that I have an opinion about her.
|
|
luvnlifelady
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,428
Jun 26, 2014 2:34:35 GMT
|
Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 18, 2020 8:08:52 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that?
I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it.
I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed.
|
|
|
Post by AussieMeg on Jun 18, 2020 9:04:12 GMT
Sounds about white.
I will admit that it took me until halfway through the comments before I realised who Erin Condren was.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 22, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 10:40:20 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? Maybe do a bit of Googling to see how wrong this statement is?
|
|
mich5481
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,759
Oct 2, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
|
Post by mich5481 on Jun 18, 2020 10:50:26 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it. I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed. What did HR say about it?
|
|
|
Post by monklady123 on Jun 18, 2020 11:02:48 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? Um...no.
|
|
mich5481
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,759
Oct 2, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
|
Post by mich5481 on Jun 18, 2020 11:03:32 GMT
Honestly, it sounds like something I would have done in high school. They went around the rules to have their own graduation celebration. I think there is a very real concern about depression and suicide risks for teens who have been isolated for months, and a lot of teens need the ceremonies of senior year for closure on such an important chapter of their lives.
I would have preferred they wear masks, but again, they are young and feel invincible. I'd argue most of us felt that way when we were under 25.
|
|
|
Post by christine58 on Jun 18, 2020 11:06:54 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it. I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed. You might want to educate yourself about what white privilege means White Privilege Checklist White privilege as "an invisible package of unearned assets, which I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was ‘meant’ to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks“ (McIntosh, 1989). The following are examples of ways white individuals have privilege because they are white. Please read the list and place a check next to the privileges that apply to you or that you have encountered. At the end, try to list at least two more ways you have privilege based on your race. 1. I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time. 2. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed. 3. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented. 4. when I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is. 5. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race. 6.. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with. into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair. 7. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility. 8. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race. 9. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking. 10. I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my coworkers or peers assume I got it because of my race. 11. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race. 12. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated. 13. I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group. 14. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the "person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race. 15. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race. 16. I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race. 17. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin. 18. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race. 19. I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race. 20. I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of my race.
|
|
|
Post by christine58 on Jun 18, 2020 11:09:04 GMT
They went around the rules to have their own graduation celebration. What do you think would have happened if this was a group of 600 POC?? You CAN bet there would have been a bigger response.
|
|
|
Post by monklady123 on Jun 18, 2020 11:17:34 GMT
Honestly, it sounds like something I would have done in high school. They went around the rules to have their own graduation celebration. I think there is a very real concern about depression and suicide risks for teens who have been isolated for months, and a lot of teens need the ceremonies of senior year for closure on such an important chapter of their lives. I would have preferred they wear masks, but again, they are young and feel invincible. I'd argue most of us felt that way when we were under 25. Yes, they're young and feel invincible, and they're dumb. Yes, so many of us did dumb things when we were young. But what makes this incident particularly shocking, to me anyway, is that so many ADULTS condoned it! They encouraged them, helped them plan, cheered them on... That's the worst part.
|
|
mich5481
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,759
Oct 2, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
|
Post by mich5481 on Jun 18, 2020 11:23:10 GMT
They went around the rules to have their own graduation celebration. What do you think would have happened if this was a group of 600 POC?? You CAN bet there would have been a bigger response. There have been weeks of protests that are still going on. We had some in my area that insisted on blocking access to a major bridge that is the only link between two large communities until the mayor met with them and gave into their demands. People could have literally died if there had been a medical emergency or a major fire needing more resources when access to the bridge was blocked. I understand the importance of the BLM protests. I just think for a bunch of high school kids, who have not yet reached full cognitive development in the areas of the brain that regulate impulse control, it is hard to be told no to things they've looked forward to their entire lives because of COVID-19. I think many of them may have understood it, but then when it seems like the virus concerns have magically disappeared when it comes to the BLM protests, they decided to have their own march. A friend of mine lives in PA, and she was complaining about the hypocrisy of the governor locking everything for ages and then going out and joining the protests.
|
|
Sarah*H
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,030
Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
|
Post by Sarah*H on Jun 18, 2020 11:25:00 GMT
Our society has failed this test of character and that selfish display of privilege should be the photo in the history books.
|
|
Sarah*H
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,030
Jun 25, 2014 20:07:06 GMT
|
Post by Sarah*H on Jun 18, 2020 11:31:42 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it. I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed. This would be a really good opportunity to so some research about both terms you just used and why your comment is drawing so much push back. The phrase "when we know better, we do better" applies here.
|
|
luvnlifelady
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,428
Jun 26, 2014 2:34:35 GMT
|
Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 18, 2020 11:44:50 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it. I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed. What did HR say about it? HR wasn't told because my GM is too scared to report it. She doesn't even want her Area Manager to know (probably because she should've been on the floor rather than in the office when the incident occurred).
|
|
luvnlifelady
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,428
Jun 26, 2014 2:34:35 GMT
|
Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 18, 2020 11:47:01 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it. I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed. This would be a really good opportunity to so some research about both terms you just used and why your comment is drawing so much push back. The phrase "when we know better, we do better" applies here. I realize that but why does it only seem to be working as whites need to more understanding of blacks? I have run into major attitudes from black people at work (customers and employees). I understand the history and it's bad but why can't we all just treat EACH OTHER with kindness?
|
|
mich5481
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,759
Oct 2, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
|
Post by mich5481 on Jun 18, 2020 11:48:32 GMT
What did HR say about it? HR wasn't told because my GM is too scared to report it. She doesn't even want her Area Manager to know (probably because she should've been on the floor rather than in the office when the incident occurred). Then reach out to HR yourself to file a complaint.
|
|
|
Post by pierkiss on Jun 18, 2020 11:53:51 GMT
Those people are stupid. Covid is still a thing.
I am not even touch the marching like BLM to get around Covid restrictions. 😡
|
|
luvnlifelady
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,428
Jun 26, 2014 2:34:35 GMT
|
Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 18, 2020 11:54:16 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Why do we need to label anyone like that? I was verbally attacked twice two days ago at work by a black employee (I was just doing my job and it's on camera). It included swearing at me in front of customers. However, the general manager was too scared to write her up for it. I probably would've been written up had the roles been reversed. You might want to educate yourself about what white privilege means White Privilege Checklist White privilege as "an invisible package of unearned assets, which I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was ‘meant’ to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks“ (McIntosh, 1989). The following are examples of ways white individuals have privilege because they are white. Please read the list and place a check next to the privileges that apply to you or that you have encountered. At the end, try to list at least two more ways you have privilege based on your race. 1. I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time. 2. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed. 3. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented. 4. when I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is. 5. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race. 6.. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with. into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair. 7. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility. 8. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race. 9. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking. 10. I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my coworkers or peers assume I got it because of my race. 11. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race. 12. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated. 13. I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group. 14. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the "person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race. 15. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race. 16. I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race. 17. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin. 18. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race. 19. I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race. 20. I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of my race. From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all.
|
|
luvnlifelady
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,428
Jun 26, 2014 2:34:35 GMT
|
Post by luvnlifelady on Jun 18, 2020 11:56:06 GMT
HR wasn't told because my GM is too scared to report it. She doesn't even want her Area Manager to know (probably because she should've been on the floor rather than in the office when the incident occurred). Then reach out to HR yourself to file a complaint. I am thinking about it but there are other complications. Obviously if I go to HR, it will get back to my GM and she will know who spoke up. Not sure I want the backlash but I am considering it. It really needs documented. The employee in question did end up walking out so I'm hoping she quit.
|
|
craftykitten
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,304
Jun 26, 2014 7:39:32 GMT
|
Post by craftykitten on Jun 18, 2020 12:03:39 GMT
You might want to educate yourself about what white privilege means White Privilege Checklist White privilege as "an invisible package of unearned assets, which I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was ‘meant’ to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks“ (McIntosh, 1989). The following are examples of ways white individuals have privilege because they are white. Please read the list and place a check next to the privileges that apply to you or that you have encountered. At the end, try to list at least two more ways you have privilege based on your race. 1. I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time. 2. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed. 3. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented. 4. when I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is. 5. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race. 6.. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with. into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair. 7. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility. 8. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race. 9. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking. 10. I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my coworkers or peers assume I got it because of my race. 11. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race. 12. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated. 13. I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group. 14. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the "person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race. 15. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race. 16. I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race. 17. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin. 18. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race. 19. I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race. 20. I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of my race. From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all. Then you're not really understanding it. 'White privilege'doesnt mean your life isn't hard. It means the colour of your skin isn't making it harder. The phrase doesn't insult anyone, it isn't "lumping every white person together" it is just a statement of FACT that all those things christine58 listed happen without us even realising it.
|
|
mich5481
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,759
Oct 2, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
|
Post by mich5481 on Jun 18, 2020 12:07:46 GMT
Those people are stupid. Covid is still a thing. I am not even touch the marching like BLM to get around Covid restrictions. 😡 Covid doesn't care why you are marching. I live in a state that I think has opened up too quickly, and our numbers are higher than they ever were. I think people are putting themselves at risk unnecessarily, but if I were a teenager, I probably would have been at that graduation event, and honestly, I probably would have been one of the organizers. I don't know how my parents would have felt about it, but I most likely would have guilt tripped them into being there.
|
|
|
Post by christine58 on Jun 18, 2020 12:10:44 GMT
From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all. Then you don't get it at all
|
|
|
Post by christine58 on Jun 18, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
I just think for a bunch of high school kids, who have not yet reached full cognitive development in the areas of the brain that regulate impulse control, it is hard to be told no to things they've looked forward to their entire lives because of COVID-19. BULL...This has to do with being told no and circumventing the rules. God forbid these snowflakes be told no once in their lifetime. Erin Condren is being BLASTED in the planner community as she should be.
|
|
sueg
Prolific Pea
Posts: 8,571
Location: Munich
Apr 12, 2016 12:51:01 GMT
|
Post by sueg on Jun 18, 2020 12:16:58 GMT
From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all. As others have already explained, no, it doesn't mean what you think it does. And you can be very understanding and supportive of the plight of black/minority people, and still have white privilege.
|
|
craftykitten
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,304
Jun 26, 2014 7:39:32 GMT
|
Post by craftykitten on Jun 18, 2020 12:21:54 GMT
Apart from their disgusting selfishness, I feel really sorry for their principal - 7.5 hours presenting individual diplomas, with just a 10 minute break, for them to undo all his efforts with that parade.
All the adults who enabled them should be ashamed of themselves.
|
|
mich5481
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,759
Oct 2, 2017 23:20:46 GMT
|
Post by mich5481 on Jun 18, 2020 12:23:10 GMT
I just think for a bunch of high school kids, who have not yet reached full cognitive development in the areas of the brain that regulate impulse control, it is hard to be told no to things they've looked forward to their entire lives because of COVID-19. BULL...This has to do with being told no and circumventing the rules. God forbid these snowflakes be told no once in their lifetime. Erin Condren is being BLASTED in the planner community as she should be. They've had no prom, no senior week, no spring sports, nothing to mark that rite of passage. They were told because of the virus, and that it was to keep everyone safe. They see people protesting across the world for weeks on end like the virus no longer exists. If that's the case, then why can't they march outside for their graduation? If it's because you are concerned they'll spread the virus to vulnerable people, then are you sharing the same concerns when it comes to BLM protests? Especially when the evidence shows the virus DOES discriminate when it comes to bad outcomes- black people are much more likely to die, either due to existing health problems or lack of access to healthcare. Like I said, COVID-19 doesn't care why you are marching.
|
|
|
Post by pierkiss on Jun 18, 2020 12:23:49 GMT
Those people are stupid. Covid is still a thing. I am not even touch the marching like BLM to get around Covid restrictions. 😡 Covid doesn't care why you are marching. I live in a state that I think has opened up too quickly, and our numbers are higher than they ever were. I think people are putting themselves at risk unnecessarily, but if I were a teenager, I probably would have been at that graduation event, and honestly, I probably would have been one of the organizers. I don't know how my parents would have felt about it, but I most likely would have guilt tripped them into being there. You’re right, Covid doesn’t care why you are marching. But in one case people are marching for their right to safety in their own country (among other things). They are literally marching for their lives. In the other case you have a bunch of teenagers who are marching because they and their parents want to celebrate their graduation from high school. One seems way more worth the Covid risk than the other. Also, a lot of the BLM protestors are wearing masks. They’re trying to stay safe while they get their point across and get things done to better their existence in this country. I saw 4 kids wearing a mask in that picture. Out if 600+ kids, the vast majority are not wearing masks. But whatever. People are done taking this seriously. And they want what they want when they want it, no matter what it is or how their choices could affect others.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 22, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 12:27:26 GMT
From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all. Which is quite clearly none. Do some reading, educate yourself, listen and let it sink in.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 22, 2024 19:38:00 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 12:28:46 GMT
They've had no prom, no senior week, no spring sports We never had those things in the UK, we all managed to be absolutely fine.
|
|