purplebee
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Post by purplebee on Jun 18, 2020 13:31:04 GMT
Again, I think it boils down to the fact that a mask-less march of 600+ young adults, done because, you know, they are special and missed out on their graduation fun, will affect MANY other people who have nothing to do with the March. Are they all going to quarantine for two weeks to avoid spreading the virus? Not only no, but hell no, it would be too hard for them to have to do this.... All I can say is wow, just wow....
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johnnysmom
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Post by johnnysmom on Jun 18, 2020 13:33:27 GMT
As a fellow senior parent I get the desire to have something semi normal/traditional. I can see where they thought this would be low risk (have there been any outbreaks associated with outdoor events?). But they bucked the rules in a big way.....I don’t know what the current gathering size is limited to there but I doubt it’s anywhere near the amount they had. They also tried to compare what they did to the BLM protests, that was their biggest mistake as there’s no comparison to be had there.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 18, 2020 14:00:51 GMT
I’m not sure she should be attacked for the actions of her children.
Her kids are 18 yr olds who have graduated from high school.
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 18, 2020 14:01:14 GMT
Again, I think it boils down to the fact that a mask-less march of 600+ young adults, done because, you know, they are special and missed out on their graduation fun, will affect MANY other people who have nothing to do with the March. Are they all going to quarantine for two weeks to avoid spreading the virus? Not only no, but hell no, it would be too hard for them to have to do this.... All I can say is wow, just wow.... And how many people will die from the virus because of BLM protests? You seem incapable of understanding that some things are worth risking the danger for and some things are shallow, self-centered pleas for attention. The generations that came before ours were asked to sacrifice huge things for the betterment of humanity, up to and including their lives. In comparison, what we've been asked to do is trifling and our complete inability to do it without breaking down and whining about rights and freedom and demanding rights of passage is utterly pathetic. This doesn't mean we can't/shouldn't mourn what has changed or what we might not get to do but what it shouldn't mean is that we do whatever the hell we damn well please and tell everyone else to get over it. It all comes down to character and far too many people, Erin Condren included, have shown that theirs is utterly lacking.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Jun 18, 2020 14:03:04 GMT
The marches in Pittsburgh started over 2 weeks ago. The new Covid count in Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is located) was 0 yesterday. You know why? Every single person at those marches wore a mask. Those graduating kids didn't even bother with that one small thing.
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knitnakinva
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Post by knitnakinva on Jun 18, 2020 14:07:39 GMT
The marches in Pittsburgh started over 2 weeks ago. The new Covid count in Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is located) was 0 yesterday. You know why? Every single person at those marches wore a mask. Those graduating kids didn't even bother with that one small thing. Yep. Every single BLM protest I've been to has had people handing out masks and hand sanitizer. I'd have a lot more sympathy for those kids if they'd done the same. And those people putting a graduation ceremony on the same level of importance as a BLM protest is gross. I understand graduation is an important life event, but come on...
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Post by milocat on Jun 18, 2020 14:09:23 GMT
On her personal Instagram (iamerincondren) she has an apology (not that I follow her, just saw it linked and I couldn't copy and paste it here) and said the idea came from her daughter participating in a BLM protest and she was so inspired. WTF? That's what you take away from a BLM march? How can I have another graduation ceremony?
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Post by christine58 on Jun 18, 2020 14:17:24 GMT
If it's because you are concerned they'll spread the virus to vulnerable people, then are you sharing the same concerns when it comes to BLM protests? My issue is the fact that they LIED....and yes the others that are protesting concerns me too. If these rites of passage are the WORST things than will happen to them, they need to consider themselves lucky I’m not sure she should be attacked for the actions of her children. She (Erin) was the parent in charge of the committee so she did have something to do with it. AND she is quoted in the article...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 14:24:20 GMT
Our society has failed this test of character and that selfish display of privilege should be the photo in the history books. Mira Costa English and philosophy teacher Stacy Cabrera wrote on her Instagram account, “I feel like I failed as your teacher because clearly you learned nothing from me at all…You had a chance to use your platform as a student of this school for good in the community…. it was a wasted opportunity to do something good with it.” EC sounds exactly like the Felicity Huffman, Lori Loughlin type.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 18, 2020 14:25:35 GMT
Our society has failed this test of character and that selfish display of privilege should be the photo in the history books. Mira Costa English and philosophy teacher Stacy Cabrera wrote on her Instagram account, “I feel like I failed as your teacher because clearly you learned nothing from me at all…You had a chance to use your platform as a student of this school for good in the community…. it was a wasted opportunity to do something good with it.” EC sounds exactly like the Felicity Huffman, Lori Loughlin type. I saw that response..good for her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 14:26:33 GMT
You might want to educate yourself about what white privilege means White Privilege Checklist White privilege as "an invisible package of unearned assets, which I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was ‘meant’ to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks“ (McIntosh, 1989). The following are examples of ways white individuals have privilege because they are white. Please read the list and place a check next to the privileges that apply to you or that you have encountered. At the end, try to list at least two more ways you have privilege based on your race. 1. I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time. 2. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed. 3. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented. 4. when I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is. 5. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race. 6.. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with. into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair. 7. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility. 8. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race. 9. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking. 10. I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my coworkers or peers assume I got it because of my race. 11. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race. 12. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated. 13. I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group. 14. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the "person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race. 15. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race. 16. I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race. 17. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin. 18. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race. 19. I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race. 20. I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of my race. From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all. "tolerance of all" doesn't cancel out 400 years of a massive head start for white people - who are still sitting on that privilege TODAY and WHINING about "why can't we just be equal".
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jun 18, 2020 14:36:58 GMT
Can't the term "white privileged" be considered reverse racism? Jesus fucking Christ! As you just demonstrated, YOU are part of the problem.
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Post by pinklady on Jun 18, 2020 14:40:44 GMT
This would be a really good opportunity to so some research about both terms you just used and why your comment is drawing so much push back. The phrase "when we know better, we do better" applies here. I realize that but why does it only seem to be working as whites need to more understanding of blacks? I have run into major attitudes from black people at work (customers and employees). I understand the history and it's bad but why can't we all just treat EACH OTHER with kindness? Wow! You really are just a clueless asshole. I’m not surprised you’re getting “major attitude from black people at work”. Again, YOU are part of the problem.
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 18, 2020 15:16:56 GMT
This would be a really good opportunity to so some research about both terms you just used and why your comment is drawing so much push back. The phrase "when we know better, we do better" applies here. I realize that but why does it only seem to be working as whites need to more understanding of blacks? I have run into major attitudes from black people at work (customers and employees). I understand the history and it's bad but why can't we all just treat EACH OTHER with kindness? First, you're an adult. YOU reach out to HR if you feel you have a valid complaint. The history books are filled with examples of Black people NOT treated with kindness. They're tired. This is why bridges and highways are being blocked. This is why a few block section of Seattle is being occupied. This is why protests won't go away. THEY ARE TIRED OF BEING LESS THAN. THEY ARE TIRED OF PEOPLE KILLED BY COPS. And this time they will be heard. And they should be heard. And for everyone else, it's time to stop talking and listen. And support. And ACT.
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Post by tracylynn on Jun 18, 2020 15:21:14 GMT
Again, I think it boils down to the fact that a mask-less march of 600+ young adults, done because, you know, they are special and missed out on their graduation fun, will affect MANY other people who have nothing to do with the March. Are they all going to quarantine for two weeks to avoid spreading the virus? Not only no, but hell no, it would be too hard for them to have to do this.... All I can say is wow, just wow.... And how many people will die from the virus because of BLM protests? Actually, if you do a bit of googling you'll see that States haven't seen spikes in Covid cases due to the protests. And considering we're starting into the 4th week of protests now, cases would have started to rise if they were going to. Maybe, just maybe, masks are working???
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:21:43 GMT
BULL...This has to do with being told no and circumventing the rules. God forbid these snowflakes be told no once in their lifetime. Erin Condren is being BLASTED in the planner community as she should be. They've had no prom, no senior week, no spring sports, nothing to mark that rite of passage. They were told because of the virus, and that it was to keep everyone safe. Well they all need to grow up and accept that things are not going to go their way throughout life. The sooner they learn that, the better it is for them all in the future. DD has had no prom either. She was disappointed that it wasn't going to happen but she's accepted that things are not " normal" at this time. She's also been deprived of taking her final year exams. She's not moaned about missing her prom or having that final week of end of school celebrations that they normally have.She is concerned about how her final grades will be assessed in the absence of those exams but in her word " what will be will be" She certainly doesn't think what she has missed is in any way comparable to the reasons for the protest marches.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 18, 2020 15:25:43 GMT
We never had those things in the UK, we all managed to be absolutely fine. It is part of American culture, and they serve as important rites of passage. Just because something isn't done universally doesn't mean it isn't important. Look at Texas and the Homecoming mums. It isn't a thing in my area, but if I grew up seeing older friends and family decorating mums and getting them, and then when it was finally my turn, it was all snatched away from me through no fault of my own? I'd have every right to be upset, and I'd hope others would sympathize and empathize. No one said we didn't "sympathize and empathize" with any seniors who didn't get graduations and proms and everything else. It's very sad. We do sympathize. But then most people and schools who have seniors go on to find some way to do something to mark this occasions, acknowledging the sadness, but not allowing anything that will spread Covid-19. It's simple.
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Post by katybee on Jun 18, 2020 15:27:35 GMT
Erin Condren....Lori Laughlin.... separated at birth?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:34:15 GMT
The marches in Pittsburgh started over 2 weeks ago. The new Covid count in Allegheny County (where Pittsburgh is located) was 0 yesterday. You know why? Every single person at those marches wore a mask. Those graduating kids didn't even bother with that one small thing. My very first post said the kids should have worn masks. They're 17/18/19, their brains are literally not finished developing to think those things through. For goodness sake, teens get married, have jobs, serve their country, have babies, drive vehicles and no end of other things at that age. Of course they are capable of thinking those things through. They're old enough to be responsible for their own actions at that age, if my two DD's at 16 & 19 didn't have the ability to do so I would feel that I failed as mother.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Jun 18, 2020 15:40:49 GMT
And how many people will die from the virus because of BLM protests? Actually, if you do a bit of googling you'll see that States haven't seen spikes in Covid cases due to the protests. And considering we're starting into the 4th week of protests now, cases would have started to rise if they were going to. Maybe, just maybe, masks are working??? In just what magical city were ALL THE PROTESTERS wearing masks? Because I have yet to see a protest with mask compliance. I mean, some wear the masks, sure. But total compliance? Nope.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 18, 2020 15:45:15 GMT
First, it seems it was her kid, not the lady that organized it. ETA- apparently the lady helped
And yeah, I'm sure they looked and said apparently we are allowed to March. Let's do it.
In my youth, I would have done it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:47:54 GMT
For goodness sake, teens get married, have jobs, serve their country, have babies, drive vehicles and no end of other things at that age. Of course they are capable of thinking those things through. They're old enough to be responsible for their own actions at that age, if my two DD's at 16 & 19 didn't have the ability to do so I would feel that I failed as mother. Science disagrees with you. www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051I agree. Teens are idiots. BUT she is the MOM - not a teen. And she's not any smarter than a teen. And equating grad ceremony to BLM is nauseating. Just like the clueless supporters of that comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:48:47 GMT
For goodness sake, teens get married, have jobs, serve their country, have babies, drive vehicles and no end of other things at that age. Of course they are capable of thinking those things through. They're old enough to be responsible for their own actions at that age, if my two DD's at 16 & 19 didn't have the ability to do so I would feel that I failed as mother. Science disagrees with you. www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051 That doesn't excuse them from gaining that knowledge or for anyone to be making excuses for them for not using some common sense if they've been taught coping strategies in dealing with life at that age. Your ability doesn't suddenly appear because all of a sudden you're 20 years old rather than 19.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 18, 2020 15:50:18 GMT
For goodness sake, teens get married, have jobs, serve their country, have babies, drive vehicles and no end of other things at that age. Of course they are capable of thinking those things through. They're old enough to be responsible for their own actions at that age, if my two DD's at 16 & 19 didn't have the ability to do so I would feel that I failed as mother. Science disagrees with you. www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051Pretty sure all their parent’s brains are fully formed and well developed though. And they’re the ones who planned this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:50:23 GMT
Actually, if you do a bit of googling you'll see that States haven't seen spikes in Covid cases due to the protests. And considering we're starting into the 4th week of protests now, cases would have started to rise if they were going to. Maybe, just maybe, masks are working??? In just what magical city were ALL THE PROTESTERS wearing masks? Because I have yet to see a protest with mask compliance. I mean, some wear the masks, sure. But total compliance? Nope. My city had 5 protests and every one had 100% compliance. The only ones not wearing masks were instigators. Hu. Weird. Oh and when a protestor got on the mic/blowhorn, they pulled it down
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 15:52:40 GMT
First, it seems it was her kid, not the lady that organized it. ETA- apparently the lady helped And yeah, I'm sure they looked and said apparently we are allowed to March. Let's do it. In my youth, I would have done it. EC was on the committee. She didn't just help, she planned. A LOT.
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Post by sunshine on Jun 18, 2020 15:54:09 GMT
There is no fucking way every single peaceful protestor was wearing a mask at every.single.protest. I know this because I myself can see with my own eyes the news coverage. Those that wear them, some wear them correctly and some wear them under their nose or under the chin. The 100% compliance narrative is bullshit.
One thing for sure--NYC won't know if any of the new cases could have come from and spread from protestors. Why? Because Blowhard Di Blasio won't have contact tracers even ask.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 18, 2020 15:55:44 GMT
You might want to educate yourself about what white privilege means White Privilege Checklist White privilege as "an invisible package of unearned assets, which I can count on cashing in each day, but about which I was ‘meant’ to remain oblivious. White privilege is like an invisible weightless knapsack of special provisions, maps, passports, code books, visas, clothes, tools, and blank checks“ (McIntosh, 1989). The following are examples of ways white individuals have privilege because they are white. Please read the list and place a check next to the privileges that apply to you or that you have encountered. At the end, try to list at least two more ways you have privilege based on your race. 1. I can arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time. 2. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed. 3. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented. 4. when I am told about our national heritage or about “civilization," I am shown that people of my color made it what it is. 5. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race. 6.. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the food I grew up with. into a hairdressers shop and find someone who can deal with my hair. 7. Whether I use checks, credit cards, or cash, I can count on my skin color not to work against the appearance of financial responsibility. 8. I am not made acutely aware that my shape, bearing, or body odor will be taken as a reflection on my race. 9. I can worry about racism without being seen as self-interested or self-seeking. 10. I can take a job or enroll in a college with an affirmative action policy without having my coworkers or peers assume I got it because of my race. 11. I can be late to a meeting without having the lateness reflect on my race. 12. I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated. 13. I am never asked to speak for all of the people of my racial group. 14. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk with the "person in charge" I will be facing a person of my race. 15. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven't been singled out because of my race. 16. I can easily by posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children's magazines featuring people of my race. 17. I can choose blemish cover or bandages in "flesh" color and have them more or less match my skin. 18. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race. 19. I can walk into a classroom and know I will not be the only member of my race. 20. I can enroll in a class at college and be sure that the majority of my professors will be of my race. From my recent understanding of "white privileged," it is meant to label and insult the person who is determined to have their life the way it is simply because of the color of their skin. That doesn't seem right either. It's lumping every white person into the same group. Some are very accepting and understanding of the plight of black people (and other races ) and work to spread the message of tolerance of all. No, your "recent understanding" is misinformed. You might want to do some reading. -- Yes, every white person can be "lumped into the same group"....that would be the group of white people. A dirt-poor white person has white privilege just as a filthy-rich one does. (of course the filthy rich one has many other privileges also, but those would be subjects for a different post...) -- White privilege is basically something white people never think about, until their eyes are opened. That doesn't mean you're not a tolerant person. That doesn't mean you don't try to treat everyone equally. It doesn't mean you're not "accepting and understanding". It simply means that throughout your life you've never had to worry about certain things. You probably never even thought of most of those things. For example....When he was in middle school I could let my ds walk to basketball practice with his buddy, through the neighborhood at night, and I never worried. One day a friend told me that she was afraid to let her son do the same. My first thought was that she was a bit overprotective, these were middle school kids, they weren't alone, it's a good neighborhood, she needed to let go a bit. My face must have registered some of that while my brain was thinking of what to reply (because I didn't want to insult her by insinuating she was overprotective) and she told me it was because he was black. That had never once occurred to me. That is white privilege. Ds now lives in rural Georgia (and he looks like my stereotype of a rural southern guy, with a full beard, lol). One evening after dark he was driving home from school down some very not-busy road and he was pulled over. The police officer had noticed his expired Virginia inspection sticker without noticing that he had Georgia plates on the car (no inspection required in Georgia). Ds was polite of course and pointed out the Georgia plates and said he hadn't taken the VA sticker off yet because he needed to get a scraper thing since it was really stuck on. The policeman laughed at his mistake, they chatted for a minute, then said goodnight. Throughout the entire exchange, including the very beginning when all ds knew was that police lights were flashing behind him, ds said he never felt afraid. Sure he had that first "uh oh" that we all get when we see police lights behind us. But he knew he hadn't intentionally done anything wrong, and he felt no fear at being pulled over on a rural Georgia road at night. That is white privilege. Of course there are a million other examples just like that. It's not an insult to me or to my ds to say we have had white privilege all our lives. It's quite true and it's just a fact. Personally it just never occurred to me growing up because no one ever talked about it....I don't think it was even in our vocabulary back then since I'm old . But my ds and dd have been made aware by me and by dh, because that's our responsibility now that we ourselves are aware and understand more than we used to. Go do some more reading.
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Post by craftykitten on Jun 18, 2020 15:58:36 GMT
Some people believe so passionately in the BLM movement that they are willing to put themselves at great personal risk to march and protest to try and change things for the better.
These kids are so upset that they had to miss a 'rite of passage'that they put themselves at great personal risk to have a good time.
Covid might not discriminate or care about their reasons for being out, but you're damn right I'm going to judge them differently.
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 18, 2020 16:05:17 GMT
That doesn't excuse them from gaining that knowledge or for anyone to be making excuses for them for not using some common sense if they've been taught coping strategies in dealing with life at that age. Your ability doesn't suddenly appear because all of a sudden you're 20 years old rather than 19. No, it takes time - and the brain's reasoning centers continue to develop until you are 25. That's one of the reasons why many car rental companies won't rent to people under the age of 25. If they do, there is a hefty surcharge. In this case it really does NOT matter whether their brains have matured enough or not. In this case there were adults -- ADULTS -- who helped them plan, who encouraged them, and who cheered for them as they marched. Those adults are responsible for it.
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