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Post by gar on Jun 19, 2020 17:17:12 GMT
I haven't experienced or come across any mask deniers in the UK. I don't get the people that use the excuse that they don't believe in science.Science in some form surrounds all of our everyday life. It just beggars belief how anyone can choose which " science" they believe in and which they rebuke for their own convenience. If someone doesn't want to wear a mask, just own it and say so but don't hide behind the excuse that they don't believe in the science behind its use. I'm curious what message your government has given regarding mask wearing? I think a big part of it here is that it has become a political issue. Not only did the CDC originally say that wearing masks wasn't helpful, we have our dear leader talking negatively and refusing to wear masks and shutting down the states. We also have Republicans suing state governors for "overusing their power" by shutting down the state. I see one party spreading the fake information regarding masks (and other topics). Although I don't think it is just one party that does not wear masks. My complaint is that if you choose not to wear a mask, own that choice. But don't spread information that is not true simply to justify it, while at the same time leading others to believe that it is good information. I think it is an interesting point about Christians and mask wearing. One of the people on my friends list who has shared several things today that justify not wearing masks is also a strong Christian. But, since she has found all of these other people who say that wearing masks is harmful to her and not helpful to her or others, I'm sure she doesn't see anything un-Christian like about her choice. Masks are obligatory on public transport and within hospitals (inc visitors) and is recommended wherever 2 metre distancing is difficult. The evidence hasn't seemed clear cut and advice has been bit wishy-washy really. As far as I'm aware there's no religious angle at all...religion here just isn't linked to politics like it is in the USA thank goodness.
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 19, 2020 17:26:40 GMT
seaexplore I can’t access it, but I can imagine! I read the post above yours about the mask shaming in Orange County. Terrible! It is like living in the twilight zone!
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Post by sasha on Jun 19, 2020 17:28:16 GMT
All the fucking time on FB.
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 19, 2020 17:28:21 GMT
As of yesterday yes. Why? Because Newsom put in a statewide order that masks are now required. Personally I think it should be up to each county and city because some areas are doing good, some areas okay, and others (like LA) are doing bad. But yeah, now my FB feed is full of "science" proves masks are bad, I can't wear it because of -insert stupid non valid reason here-, this is all political and stupid, he is not my King I only answer to one King (God)...that one made me LOL I am on a FB break right now. It is either full of mask debates and "science" or Trump crap (both sides). I should take a Facebook break.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 17:32:54 GMT
I've been seeing all kinds of justification. I just don't care. I will wear mine because my mom is immune-compromised. I will wear mine because my MIL is a nurse and also helps take care of her 94 year old mother. I will wear mine because I care about my community.
The cousins that are saying they won't wear one can kindly fuck off and please don't come to our grad party. Then again, the cousins are also Trumpers. I don't want anything to do with them anyways.
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Post by dillydally on Jun 19, 2020 19:10:48 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. Exactly. If someone is in the camp of "if you're afraid, stay home" then they should also be ok with "if you don't want to wear a mask, stay home"
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 19, 2020 19:26:26 GMT
I have 2 respiratory therapist friends. One says masks are worthless the other says they must be worn. Same profession. Both work in a hospital (different ones). Who to listen to?
Honestly, I don’t trust CDE. I also don’t trust people who have “researched it” and “know”.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
My thoughts are that I wear it on the off chance I can prevent it. It’s an inconvenience but meh.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 19, 2020 19:39:04 GMT
If you don't want to wear a mask, then don't wear a mask. But stop posting every opinion piece from every jackass out there in order to try to justify your decision. Even if you don't want to try to stop the spread of Covid, at least stop the spread of misinformation. Is anyone else constantly seeing this? Or just me? Or stop asking where it is written that wearing masks slow the spread? Stop saying Dr Fauci and other medical opinions don't mean anything. Stop asking for literature with clinical research and studies that who exact numbers and correlations. If you don't want to wear a mask, have the balls to stand behind your conviction. Hope you don't get the virus. But the rest of us will wear masks for our protection and that of the community. No, it's not just you. I know someone just like this and it boggles my mind.
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 19, 2020 19:42:39 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. And people who are immunocompromised or have family members who are actually do have to venture out of their homes occasionally. What amazes me is some of these people that I see actually call themselves Christians. I'm like "love thy neighbor - cover thy face!" (I'd love to throw "asshole" in there at the end but my message might get lost..." This. This. This. 1000 times over.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 19, 2020 21:15:41 GMT
It is so bad here. Within minutes of the governor of California stating we had to wear masks people were loosing their minds. It took over the local FB groups. People here are rabid about not wearing them and very vocal on-line.
My husband had to go to Home Depot on Tuesday and said most were wearing but millennials and the really old weren't nor were employees and that they weren't social distancing but getting really close if you asked a question.My husband was wearing mask - hating it but doing so. He came out and asked how did I do it - had to wear for many hours at Kaiser a few weeks ago.
Yes the information has changed but we have learned more and can see the difference it makes in other countries but no its only a hoax and we are sheep for wearing them - no matter what the rest of the world is doing. Of course the only memes they believe are the ones that show what they want.
If you aren't going to wear one at least respect those that do and don't yell at them - have heard that this happened to a teen boy and an elderly man who was probably immune compromised but had to get groceries. The holier than though you are just stupid for wearing them is crazy. Someone wearing a mask doesn't hurt others in any way so why should they care. Social distance where you can most of the people that are compromised aren't going to gyms and bar or even restaurants except to pickup food which is probably rare. Most are just doing like we are and doing curbside or an early morning trip to the grocery store or maybe the Hardware store to get a few things.
People have just gotten so crazy over this and the hatred from those towards those that wear them is crazy - most of us just want to get in and out of places and stay away from as many people as possible. We aren't trying to make you do anything but want to get in and out safely.
I don't care if people go to places but do hope that businesses are doing what they can to keep people safe.
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. And people who are immunocompromised or have family members who are actually do have to venture out of their homes occasionally. What amazes me is some of these people that I see actually call themselves Christians. I'm like "love thy neighbor - cover thy face!" (I'd love to throw "asshole" in there at the end but my message might get lost..."
Yes these same people that claim to be such good Christians yelling at people for wearing masks and then trying to get glory for buying someone a coffee at Starbucks LOL. I hate the you must be living in fear. No but I am being smart about what is right for me. We aren't just cowering at home. We still go out but not as much - we do curbside pickups and just really haven't felt the need to go out right now.
Someone asked about Riverside -- I am in Riverside county and they are the ones loosing their minds right now. So many are saying no way no how and the Governor can't make me the sheriff has already said he wasn't going to enforce it before so I am sure he won't now. I cannot believe the entitled whininess I am hearing and have heard in the past few months. They seriously sound like toddlers throwing a tantrum. We just had a restaurant closed due to Covid and I felt bad for them then reports or them and another restaurant just down the road saying that there was never any compliance and that people were jammed in their shoulder to shoulder. No one cared because it was all a hoax. As soon as it was announced everyone wants to know what shifts the sick employee was working to know if they could have been exposed - but if its a hoax and you won't really get sick why would it mater? It just baffles me.
Before this stores were not enforcing mask usage - I think Costco was but Walmart and I think several grocery stores weren't. I know several small businesses were.
We have just had such poor leadership on this whole thing - and with the WHO and CDC constantly flip flopping it hasn't helped and now that there isn't a national presence on this people think it really was a hoax. Its sad our numbers, cases, hospitalizations, icu and deaths are all going up. We are not going down at all. We have seen some of our highest numbers several days this week. Our actual city has no deaths and the numbers are low but neighboring cities aren't so lucky and we all know that people don't just stay in their cities at least they don't around here.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 19, 2020 22:18:29 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. And people who are immunocompromised or have family members who are actually do have to venture out of their homes occasionally. What amazes me is some of these people that I see actually call themselves Christians. I'm like "love thy neighbor - cover thy face!" (I'd love to throw "asshole" in there at the end but my message might get lost..." ITA. What about the immunocompromised people who have no one else to go out and run their errands for them? Those people can’t stay home alone indefinitely.
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 19, 2020 22:19:02 GMT
But you know, the weak, ill, and special needs people don't matter. What drives me the most bonkers is that in my limited personal experience, the people I see not wearing masks are mostly elderly, and the people who I know who are most vocally against it are parents of medically fragile and special needs kids. One woman I know quit her chiropracter because they wanted her to wait outside until her appointment! And no, it wasn't pouring rain or blisteringly hot (though it was definitely warm, I'll concede). She just "refused to buy in to all the dehumanizing BS." (That's my summary of her words.) She also refuses to wear a mask or to use hand sanitizer. (The hand sanitizer thing is on the basis of toxic chemicals, which I don't fully agree with but at least I get where she's coming from.) And she has a very special needs, medically fragile kid. I just don't get it.
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Post by Sharon on Jun 19, 2020 22:25:57 GMT
The rude adamant people I've seen around here are the mask wearers. One woman threatened to pepper spray anybody that wasn't wearing a mask. I see an arrest in her future if she continues this.
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Post by peabay on Jun 19, 2020 22:40:45 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. And people who are immunocompromised or have family members who are actually do have to venture out of their homes occasionally. What amazes me is some of these people that I see actually call themselves Christians. I'm like "love thy neighbor - cover thy face!" (I'd love to throw "asshole" in there at the end but my message might get lost..." What about the immunocompromised people who have no one else to go out and run their errands for them? Those people can’t stay home alone indefinitely. Yes - isn't that what I said?
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 19, 2020 22:50:51 GMT
What about the immunocompromised people who have no one else to go out and run their errands for them? Those people can’t stay home alone indefinitely. Yes - isn't that what I said? I was agreeing with you.
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Post by PLurker on Jun 19, 2020 22:58:13 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. And people who are immunocompromised or have family members who are actually do have to venture out of their homes occasionally. What amazes me is some of these people that I see actually call themselves Christians. I'm like "love thy neighbor - cover thy face!" (I'd love to throw "asshole" in there at the end but my message might get lost..." ITA. What about the immunocompromised people who have no one else to go out and run their errands for them? Those people can’t stay home alone indefinitely. and "just stay home if you're afraid". Really? Like that is possible when a vast percentage of people live paycheck to paycheck. Are benefits going to continue for the pro-mask and afraid people. Yeah, I didn't think so. Put on your big people pants (you have to wear those too? gasp!) and do the right thing.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jun 19, 2020 22:59:20 GMT
I agree. Luckily it seems that the majority around my area are wearing them. I did encounter a little push back and had to hear the “can’t take away my freedoms“ rant from someone waiting on me at a convenience store in the area where we have our camp. But I kind of expected more of that and am surprised that I saw as many masks around that area as I do.
I did drive on our interstate today for the first time since early March and did like the digital signs that said “Phones down” and “Masks up” 👍
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Post by SunnySmile on Jun 21, 2020 5:10:28 GMT
I said this on another thread, but I'll say it here as well. PLEASE wear a mask. My husband and I came down with covid-19 after SIP since the beginning. We only went out for food or to the doctor, wearing masks. I am high risk, so I ONLY went to the doctor if I left home. Somewhere, someone was not careful. We don't have a clue where we got it from. It's been 3 weeks now and we are mostly recovered, and had I not already had oxygen at home, I know I would have been hospitalized. I'm still on oxygen 24/7 and we both still have lingering coughs. So even if people don't think THEY will get sick, they should wear a mask. They could be carriers with no symptoms. Do it as a kindness for others if not for yourself. I wouldn't wish this virus on anyone, so I hope people don't get sick because they are lazy about wearing a mask.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Jun 21, 2020 5:50:26 GMT
I work with the public and I must say that at least 60-70% are not wearing a mask or taking any precautions. So maddening. The age range is usually younger around 20-40. I'm lucky my province is doing pretty good.
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Post by shescrafty on Jun 21, 2020 11:10:22 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. Exactly. If someone is in the camp of "if you're afraid, stay home" then they should also be ok with "if you don't want to wear a mask, stay home" I have said that to a few FB friends. If you “can’t” or don’t want to wear a mask then you should stay home.
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Post by smasonnc on Jun 21, 2020 12:43:42 GMT
I'm not seeing that in the UK. Because you’re not flippin’ morons. I’m sympathetic to those who truly can’t wear a mask, but for the rest stop concocting medical conditions as an excuse. It’s like having a comfort peacock, just a bunch of nonsense. Be a grownup and wear the mask. My husband bitches about it fogging his glasses but he still wears a mask. The alternative is possibly catching a disease where you drown in your own mucus so he sees the advantage of a little inconvenience.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 21, 2020 13:23:30 GMT
I'm so sick of the people who are saying "if you're afraid, stay home." We can open up the economy if more people are out there shopping and more people can go out shopping if people would just.wear.masks. You want life to go back to normal? Wear a freaking mask. It's just not that hard. And people who are immunocompromised or have family members who are actually do have to venture out of their homes occasionally. What amazes me is some of these people that I see actually call themselves Christians. I'm like "love thy neighbor - cover thy face!" (I'd love to throw "asshole" in there at the end but my message might get lost..." Me, too, peabay. Me, too.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jun 21, 2020 13:36:31 GMT
...and the ones who keep posting old information and can’t seem to understand that recommendations have changed...or they use that the information has changed to try and validate that the changes mean it’s a hoax.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2020 13:44:48 GMT
People are science deniers. The earth is flat. Climate change is a hoax. Masks don’t work. They've been told since Galileo and before that the bible has all the answers and science is of "the enemy" The Religious Right’s Hostility to Science Is Crippling Our Coronavirus Response "Donald Trump rose to power with the determined assistance of a movement that denies science, bashes government and prioritized loyalty over professional expertise. In the current crisis, we are all reaping what that movement has sown. Religious nationalism has brought to American politics the conviction that our political differences are a battle between absolute evil and absolute good. When you’re engaged in a struggle between the “party of life” and the “party of death,” as some religious nationalists now frame our political divisions, you don’t need to worry about crafting careful policy based on expert opinion and analysis. Only a heroic leader, free from the scruples of political correctness, can save the righteous from the damned. Fealty to the cause is everything; fidelity to the facts means nothing. Perhaps this is why many Christian nationalist leaders greeted the news of the coronavirus as an insult to their chosen leader." www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump-evangelicals.html
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Post by phoenixcov on Jun 21, 2020 13:50:13 GMT
SunnySmile I hope you and your DH are both getting better now. I am shielding and very high risk like you. I have not been ANYWHERE since March 15th and know that soon I will have to go for blood tests/Doctors etc. I am absolutely dreading going out in public again. It would be easier if I knew that the right precautions were being taken. Wishing you a fast recovery and hope you are off the 24/7 Oxygen soon.
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Post by LeaP on Jun 21, 2020 14:08:09 GMT
If you don’t want to wear a mask, don’t put one on leaving your nose out. Your only performing a useless farce then. ( and some if these were supposed medical professionals ) it is my newest pet peeve. I'm in Los Angeles where masks have been required for a while. People were pretty compliant but then got lax when stuff started opening up. Meanwhile our county rates of infection continued to increase. I really don't want anybody to get sick, particularly those in service jobs. TJ and Costco are very strict so I shop there. Most of the people I see not wearing masks are elderly women or young men. Women are most often the nose excluders.
Mask wearing seems like low hanging fruit in the effort to limit transmission of coronavirus, I don't know why people are so resistant. There are spikes in cases in Florida, Texas, and Arizona, not to mention cautionary tales. It boggles (sort of) the mind that with the CDC and all manner of technology, we are still #1 in infections and deaths. Eastern Europe has done a great job with masks and contact tracing.
I am fearful of what will happen in fall when regular flu season comes back and combines with high rates of covid.
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Post by mlynn on Jun 21, 2020 15:55:59 GMT
[quote author=" phoenixcov" source="/post/2983464/thread" timestamp="1592747413" know that soon I will have to go for blood tests/Doctors etc. I am absolutely dreading going out in public again. [/quote] Call around to your local labs and see if they will do a "car draw". Some will, some won't. This is what I do. I never go in the building. I call and tell them who I am and that I am in the parking lot and what I vehicle I am in. They come out with the supplies they need and draw my blood.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 21, 2020 16:07:17 GMT
y issue I mentioned up thread was with a lab company for medical tests. I my experience they completely failed at protecting their patients.
Be wary, be aware, if they have a check in that allows you to choose text you when they are ready for you realize the text may not work.
A visit that normally takes me 15 minutes from check in to completion took over an hour and I was accused of lying, I later found out they knew their text system wasn’t working so why accuse me of lying & erasing it ?
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Post by christine58 on Jun 21, 2020 16:08:29 GMT
We don't have a clue where we got it from. I thought you said your daughter came to visit?? She tested negative right?? I wonder if people can be carriers without testing positive??
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