jediannie
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Jun 30, 2014 3:19:06 GMT
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Post by jediannie on Jul 14, 2020 18:32:58 GMT
So this means we should discredit everything she says? She fully discloses what she did in her tiktok so it’s not a secret. She was a shoplifter that was in jail. I didn't say you should discredit everything she says. I said take it for what you will. (I think the fact that she got caught in a lie in her first video is more telling than anything.) Also, I don't have tiktok - so it's good to hear she fully disclosed it. I don’t have tiktok either, I just watched some of it via a web browser.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 18:35:34 GMT
Nobody did. We mentioned the mass block of followers. About the mass block of followers... Where did that information come from? Help me remember, please. I have probably ready too much, too many places. I'm only remembering Lara stating there was a mass blocking (which we know she isn't exactly factual) and RefugeePea here saying she, personally, had been blocked. Honestly I think it comes from (at least in part) when the card maker deleted her card, all the comments went with it. I’m sure Lara was likely blocked separately because of her aggressive demands to discuss it that she was posting on multiple accounts and platforms. Others, I’m not sure.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 18:36:58 GMT
HAHAHAHAHA I just checked out Ink Road Stamps. Wow they definitely fill a niche. Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either. I just checked their stamps out off the back of your comment and you're totally right about them filling a niche - ha! If she has a stamp about getting tipsy/drunk - I'm buying it. I haven't found any stamps about wine/beer/cocktails and getting tipsy anywhere and me and my husband love a little vacay drink! Picket Fence has beverage stamps & words that are awesome!
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Post by greatdaneaddict on Jul 14, 2020 18:37:01 GMT
I didn't say you should discredit everything she says. I said take it for what you will. (I think the fact that she got caught in a lie in her first video is more telling than anything.) Also, I don't have tiktok - so it's good to hear she fully disclosed it. I don’t have tiktok either, I just watched some of it via a web browser. Didn't even know you could do that, I am getting too old LOL
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 18:45:20 GMT
HAHAHAHAHA I just checked out Ink Road Stamps. Wow they definitely fill a niche. Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either. I actually own about 12 of her stamps. However, she’s in part unoriginal in that she just copies phrases from popular TV shows and movies (Big Bang Theory, Friends, The Office... ) The sexually graphic stick figures have been a printed card line for some time. I liked some of her stamps but not all.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 18:50:21 GMT
Here is the artist/card maker posting on Lara’s 2nd video. So, it appears that she may not have asked Lara to say anything at all
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 14, 2020 19:04:37 GMT
I'm not sure there is ever a right way for a brand or company to address a giant rumor mill. There was an issue with Authentique when they first opened that they ended up addressing. SB.com stocked their product because of Authentique's ties to Maggie Holmes. Maggie started to tell everyone that Authentique was HER business rather than she was just an employee/contractor of theirs and it soured the relationship they had. Authentique decided rather quickly to discontinue her ties with the company because of the false claims she was making about her role. Because SB.com had a relationship with Maggie and only brought the product in because of her, they immediately marked down ALL of their Authentique products and said they wouldn't be carrying it. They stock it now, so maybe it was less about the relationship with Maggie and more about their worry that the company wouldn't be successful or successful enough to carry without Maggie's name associated at that point in time. At any rate, the whole thing was very weird and awkward. I feel like the companies that do bow to the pressure to make a public statement are adding fuel to the gossip and gives a larger platform to the drama. Sometimes it really is better to ignore it, but I think Lara's 18k views or whatever it's up to now was enough traffic to force Tim's (and associated brands) hand into addressing it. I think you meant Margie Romney Aslett, not Maggie Holmes. I have nothing constructive to add to the topic at hand, and although I have zero love for Maggie Holmes that was not her in the rAuthentique debacle. Ok. Good to know that I had the wrong person. I was very new at the time. For some reason that was the connection I made. Thanks for helping my memory out with that! 🤪
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 14, 2020 19:07:51 GMT
I think you meant Margie Romney Aslett, not Maggie Holmes. I have nothing constructive to add to the topic at hand, and although I have zero love for Maggie Holmes that was not her in the rAuthentique debacle. Ok. Good to know that I had the wrong person. I was very knew at the time. For some reason that was the connection I made. Thanks for helping my memory out with that! 🤪 No problem, I don’t even know why I remember that. It doesn’t help that MRA has kind of disappeared from the scrapbooking scene.
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Post by mcjunkin on Jul 14, 2020 19:16:40 GMT
Here is the artist/card maker posting on Lara’s 2nd video. So, it appears that she may not have asked Lara to say anything at all And I would guess she was not the one who was offered the BIG box of goodies supposedly by Tim, as that email was forwarded to Lara, and this lady does not seem complicit in or supportive of what Lara has done. Doubt she would be forwarding any emails to her.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 19:17:06 GMT
HAHAHAHAHA I just checked out Ink Road Stamps. Wow they definitely fill a niche. Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either. If she has a stamp about getting tipsy/drunk - I'm buying it. I haven't found any stamps about wine/beer/cocktails and getting tipsy anywhere and me and my husband love a little vacay drink! Just today I went through a folder of childhood drawings of mine my mother kept and handed over. There are drawings from me, age 3 (THREE!), with attempts at wine glasses apparently (my mother had made written notes on some of the drawings when she asked me what I'd portrayed - look, let's just say I wasn't very talented with the crayons). Then, age 6, very clearly champagne glasses all over a SCHOOL assignment on the New Year. Bubbles and all! All this to say, I'm still looking for my holy grail alcohol stamp set with snarky sentiments. Kelly better make a comeback in time for the Christmas season...
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 19:20:24 GMT
Here is the artist/card maker posting on Lara’s 2nd video. So, it appears that she may not have asked Lara to say anything at all And I would guess she was not the one who was offered the BIG box of goodies supposedly by Tim, as that email was forwarded to Lara, and this lady does not seem complicit or supportive of what Lara has done. Doubt she would be forwarding any emails to her. There are different storylines from what I gather. Different people with different experiences through end May-June-early July. People are focusing on the artist behind the OG George Floyd card but it looks like Lara's (alleged) source(s) are not said artist. Beyond that, I can't figure out what's going on and we'll likely never know.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 19:28:00 GMT
All I have to add is that Lara has actually been arrested and charged with fraud on two separate occasions (although I'm unable to find if she was convicted). Either way, take it for what you will. So this means we should discredit everything she says? She fully discloses what she did in her tiktok so it’s not a secret. She was a shoplifter that was in jail. There is a very moralising edge to American society, I've noticed. Someone has done petty crime in the past or been caught cheating on their spouse: boom, they're out. Kind of odd for such a Christian nation. It plays tricks on my mind because the parts of the New Testament I remember were all about multiple chances and reaching out to those who have fallen (or, more precisely, were caught). So many contradictions. Then again, cultural differences and whatnot. I'm from a country where a recent president was caught going to his mistress's home on a scooter. And he was carrying fresh croissants.
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Post by hop2 on Jul 14, 2020 19:58:13 GMT
So here’s my take on this whole thing. Is TH racist? Yes, we all have inherent biases/prejudices that we need to work through, we all have racism in us. Is he virtue signaling and doing performative allyship? Yes. Is he an asshole? HUGE yes. I have witnessed this twice, once at a CHA and once after a class I took many years ago. He made fun of the way some of the ladies looked (their weight and what they were wearing). So gross. As to Lara, she is very confrontational and is not afraid to back down from a fight when she thinks there has been an injustice done. She does have a criminal past, she has revealed all in her TikTok over the past week or so. She also was brought into a cult when she was a kid so that has serious repercussions on someone’s mental health. So, when people call her “nutters” and “unhinged” it’s insensitive. Before you make comments on someone’s mental health status, do some research. Do I agree with the way she has handled this and other issues she’s had in the past? Nope, not at all. These things could have been handled much differently but it is what it is. Is it easy to manipulate/forge emails? Also yes. So, like I posted in Ranger’s post, there are always 2 sides to every story and we may never know the whole truth. Will I buy Tim holtz products anymore? Nope. Will I buy IRS products? If one appeals to me, yes but they’re not my style (except for the Star Wars and Disney ones, those were super cute, and I do like some of the pop culture ones). Anyway, if you’ve read all the way to here, you’re the true MVP. 😂😂😂 See the things you mention about Tim are around. Those rumors always undetailed un verifiable. I had heard he had once had a demonstrator thrown out of a convention. But it was completely unsubstantiated and from someone with sour grapes so I brushed it off. The rumors have been out there. So I’m really confused about did Mario say they’d get someone blacklisted or not. I really never thought they do it in writing and id just never know. I think both sides have handled this wrong. But I really would like to know for sure if they are squeezing people out. I would find that quite unforgivable - even if is is someone else I don’t like. I’m super confused by the weird timeline and I don’t think I’ll ever know the truth.
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Post by greatdaneaddict on Jul 14, 2020 20:01:32 GMT
So this means we should discredit everything she says? She fully discloses what she did in her tiktok so it’s not a secret. She was a shoplifter that was in jail. There is a very moralising edge to American society, I've noticed. Someone has done petty crime in the past or been caught cheating on their spouse: boom, they're out. Kind of odd for such a Christian nation. It plays tricks on my mind because the parts of the New Testament I remember were all about multiple chances and reaching out to those who have fallen (or, more precisely, were caught). So many contradictions. Then again, cultural differences and whatnot. I'm from a country where a recent president was caught going to his mistress's home on a scooter. And he was carrying fresh croissants. Again, I was just bringing it up - I was not necessarily judging. The mugshots I saw were from 2016 and 2017 with fraud charges, but I could not find any convictions. Someone else says she was in jail for shoplifting, so I don't know if that was related to the fraud charges or not. I also saw someone post that she has been accused of stalking - but I don't know if that's true either. But that's literally what she is doing - accusing someone else of something without having any proof. So I guess that's my point - just showing the hypocrisy? Either way, her own video and Instagram posts (stories) have proven she is lying, so nothing else even matters.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 20:12:52 GMT
There is a very moralising edge to American society, I've noticed. Someone has done petty crime in the past or been caught cheating on their spouse: boom, they're out. Kind of odd for such a Christian nation. It plays tricks on my mind because the parts of the New Testament I remember were all about multiple chances and reaching out to those who have fallen (or, more precisely, were caught). So many contradictions. Again, I was just bringing it up - I was not necessarily judging. The mugshots I saw were from 2016 and 2017 with fraud charges, but I could not find any convictions. Someone else says she was in jail for shoplifting, so I don't know if that was related to the fraud charges or not. I also saw someone post that she has been accused of stalking - but I don't know if that's true either. But that's literally what she is doing - accusing someone else of something without having any proof. So I guess that's my point - just showing the hypocrisy? Except she showed messages which Tim claims are "doctored" (no explicit denial of having ever written them). Ultimately, this turned into Lara vs Tim Holtz but originally, *I* (granted, that doesn't mean everyone else) was wondering about those freakin' messages and the handling of the crisis which was an utter shit show with blocking followers who reached out to ask about it. That's not on Lara. Again, I really don't care about her as I don't own anything by her nor do I think she's a major industry player.
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JustTricia
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Jul 2, 2014 17:12:39 GMT
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Post by JustTricia on Jul 14, 2020 20:16:19 GMT
From the posts I’ve seen from the person who made the card, she had no issue whatsoever with what has happened, did not feel pressured to take her card down, and wants it all to stop.
It’s one thing to stand for others when you see an injustice happen, that’s a big theme of what has been going on these last few months. But when the person in the center of the action is telling you in that you are incorrect in what happened and wants the whole thing to stop, it no longer becomes about you standing for someone and becomes all about you wanting the attention.
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Post by greatdaneaddict on Jul 14, 2020 20:21:30 GMT
Again, I was just bringing it up - I was not necessarily judging. The mugshots I saw were from 2016 and 2017 with fraud charges, but I could not find any convictions. Someone else says she was in jail for shoplifting, so I don't know if that was related to the fraud charges or not. I also saw someone post that she has been accused of stalking - but I don't know if that's true either. But that's literally what she is doing - accusing someone else of something without having any proof. So I guess that's my point - just showing the hypocrisy? Except she showed messages which Tim claims are "doctored" (no explicit denial of having ever written them). Ultimately, this turned into Lara vs Tim Holtz but originally, *I* (granted, that doesn't mean everyone else) was wondering about those freakin' messages and the handling of the crisis which was an utter shit show with blocking followers who reached out to ask about it. That's not on Lara. Again, I really don't care about her as I don't own anything by her nor do I think she's a major industry player. The messages she shows are not full screenshots that prove an email was sent to any specific person - I can literally create the same screenshot in Microsoft Word. So there is still some doubt there - at least on my end. And I have not seen proof that followers have been blocked? Who? I haven't see anyone actually claim they were blocked. I have a couple stamp sets from Lara, and a bunch of Distress stuff from Tim, so I have no 'allegiance', I just want proof of these pretty ballsy claims.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 20:29:42 GMT
And I have not seen proof that followers have been blocked? Who? I haven't see anyone actually claim they were blocked. You can re-read this very thread to find that evidence from fellow 2PRefugees.
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Post by greatdaneaddict on Jul 14, 2020 20:41:03 GMT
And I have not seen proof that followers have been blocked? Who? I haven't see anyone actually claim they were blocked. You can re-read this very thread to find that evidence from fellow 2PRefugees. Some of the peas have been blocked by Tim? I'll have to go re-read. Thanks for the heads up!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 20:46:27 GMT
You can re-read this very thread to find that evidence from fellow 2PRefugees. Some of the peas have been blocked by Tim? I'll have to go re-read. Thanks for the heads up! Me and refugeepea. She reported it at the start of the discussion. I discreetly checked with a junk IG account on my side to see if that was their actual strategy or an error. There was a coordinated effort between different IG accounts including Tim, Mario, Zoe and Tonic to block people as soon as they asked about the situation.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 21:35:28 GMT
And I would guess she was not the one who was offered the BIG box of goodies supposedly by Tim, as that email was forwarded to Lara, and this lady does not seem complicit or supportive of what Lara has done. Doubt she would be forwarding any emails to her. There are different storylines from what I gather. Different people with different experiences through end May-June-early July. People are focusing on the artist behind the OG George Floyd card but it looks like Lara's (alleged) source(s) are not said artist. Beyond that, I can't figure out what's going on and we'll likely never know. I’m sure it will all come out.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 21:37:30 GMT
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Post by joblackford on Jul 14, 2020 22:08:06 GMT
My head was spinning when I read this yesterday and it's still spinning today. lasteve1 mentioned Queenpreneur's IGTV post and I thought I would share the link here. I just watched it after remembering that she had been working with TH on a "pass the brush" project to amplify Black artists. In the last 2 minutes of the video she says that TH has been working with her behind the scenes since the week of Blackout Tuesday when she was sharing Black artist's IG accounts. Hope this link works: www.instagram.com/tv/CCmfOOknBj0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Jul 14, 2020 23:05:37 GMT
My head was spinning when I read this yesterday and it's still spinning today. lasteve1 mentioned Queenpreneur's IGTV post and I thought I would share the link here. I just watched it after remembering that she had been working with TH on a "pass the brush" project to amplify Black artists. In the last 2 minutes of the video she says that TH has been working with her behind the scenes since the week of Blackout Tuesday when she was sharing Black artist's IG accounts. Hope this link works: www.instagram.com/tv/CCmfOOknBj0/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_linkPlease you all...go watch this video. I think it’s very obvious that she is not on the same page as Lara.
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Post by lovestocreate on Jul 14, 2020 23:09:55 GMT
I'm hoping this is a lesson to all to not immediately jump on a side when drama comes out. I have my own particular feelings about what I believe regarding this situation, but it doesn't matter because I don't know for certain what actually happened.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Jul 14, 2020 23:13:23 GMT
From the posts I’ve seen from the person who made the card, she had no issue whatsoever with what has happened, did not feel pressured to take her card down, and wants it all to stop. It’s one thing to stand for others when you see an injustice happen, that’s a big theme of what has been going on these last few months. But when the person in the center of the action is telling you in that you are incorrect in what happened and wants the whole thing to stop, it no longer becomes about you standing for someone and becomes all about you wanting the attention. I think this is another culture thing in America. People don't want to admit they were wrong in a conclusion or decision and often dig in deeper out of fear of how admitting a mistake would make them look. Instead of admitting we are wrong and apologizing being seen as personal growth, I feel like we tend to see it as defeat or weakness.
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jediannie
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Post by jediannie on Jul 14, 2020 23:40:01 GMT
I watched the Instagram (queenpreneur) video. Like I said to Ranger, there are two sides to every story. I don’t like how this whole situation is being handled by either side. Lara does seem to thrive on drama but Tim is not completely blameless in this either. And I still don’t like him because my prior experiences with him. If he’s changed that’s awesome. I still won’t buy his products (I haven’t for years before all this drama started). Anyway, I’ll be watching this thread because I’m bored and I like drama away from me on the internet or on the Real Housewives shows. 😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 23:59:25 GMT
I've heard from people who have met Tim in real life, that he is not (always) as nice as he appears. But I'm pretty sure that people can say that about me too. We all have our good and bad days. I'm not going to take any sides here. I bought from the Ink Road maybe 5 years ago - no issues. I like Tim's products. I like what he brings to the industry. I like his tutorials. Is their fault on both sides - probably and since I doubt we will ever get to the truth - I'm going to call it a draw (in my book). I think the card that was withdrawn was lovely and yeah I think people are too quick to jump on the bandwagon/ and I don't like that at all. It's unfortunate that in today's world, what most of us (including me) could benefit from - is a critical thinking 101 course. We can't trust the info sources that are out there and unfortunately we are going to have to learn, how to discern truth from fiction and if doesn't pass, walk on.
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peasquared
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Post by peasquared on Jul 15, 2020 0:38:09 GMT
I don't know what to think at this point. But I do know that I wish I had a teeny, tiny fraction of the talent the gal that made that gorgeous card has!
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Post by kraft4fun on Jul 15, 2020 0:39:23 GMT
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