scrappyesq
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Post by scrappyesq on Jul 14, 2020 13:41:11 GMT
I'm all for calling out those who are not supporting BLM and working towards inclusion. But Ink Road Stamps is not black, yet she is using the movement to further her own personal gain which is, in my opinion, despicable. She is doing this to sell more product and cause drama, not because she is really trying to make the world a more inclusive place. I am a strong believer in being an ally, but not taking over the discussion. When there are black people who need someone to stand up for them, I am here, as we all should be. But right now they are strong and they are standing up for themselves. I am here, as we all should be, to support, to listen, and to follow... not to lead. The original artist, a black woman, was not offended. Tim has the support of at least one other black woman on his instagram and seems to be actively working to be more inclusive. I also saw at least one black pea post on here that this was a fight between non-black people about BLM which is not the point and should be dropped. So we should be following these black women and not giving more attention to a woman who is trying to grab all the attention for herself rather than allow it to go to the movement. All I see here is a non-black woman trying to use the BLM movement for her own personal gain and tear down the reputation of someone who is doing his best in the process. I hope that we can let this issue die... and that OP can edit the subject because it's pretty defamatory and I think at the very least its factual accuracy has been called into question.
This right here.
I am Black. I am also team Tim.
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Post by fashionista on Jul 14, 2020 13:51:42 GMT
I wasn't going to weigh in here... I never heard of the Ink Road lady before this thread and I rarely buy Tim Holtz products, he's just not my style. However, I've been following this thread because the original claims were shocking and it has been super active. I come from a perspective of being the person who always wants to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe victims. I also am a lawyer and a lot of my job involves digging through evidence to get to the truth and learning how to present that truth in a believable fashion--and see through when others are trying to present something that is false. I also know that it is SUPER EASY to create a fake email screen shot, I could mock one up in photoshop in about 10 minutes. For sure, we will never know 100% what happened. But, from what I've read/looked up, here are the FACTS: + SSS discontinued Ink Road stamps, we have no idea why + There was a BLM card posted in Tim Holtz FB group that the artist removed herself. We do not know why, if comments were or were not deleted, if Tim/other mods even saw this layout, but we do know two things about this: (1) the artist removed it herself; and (2) Ink Road Lady knew this before publicly posting a video claiming Tim took it down for racist reasons. + Ink Road posted a video claiming that Tim was racist, her support for this was the fact that he removed a card from his FB group that she in fact knew he did not remove, and then she included some screen shots of emails that do not add up with the facts (e.g. said Zoe was going to be fired, but Zoe is still actively representing Tim's brand). + One of the time stamps on an email was in the future US time. Time stamps on emails typically show the time zone of the recipient--not sure where Ink Road is but regardless that email was super recent. + Tim posted in support of BLM on his instagram feed as far back as June 2. + A black artist, queenpreneur on instagram, posted about collaborating with Tim 4 days ago and today he is sharing an IGTV post from her supporting him and saying that Ink Road is just trying to drag him through the mud for attention + Tim posted a public, general statement that simply said the emails are doctored + Zoe reached out to Ink Road stamp trying to get her to discuss via video chat, which is reasonable given that part of Tim's claim is that his email communications had been doctored + Some people have been blocked from posting in Tim's groups or contacting his staff, we do not know why Those are the facts, now we need to draw a reasonable conclusion from the facts. In my OPINION, here is what that conclusion should be: + Ink Road Stamps got her products discontinued from SSS and possibly had some conflict with Tim Holtz & Co, unrelated to BLM + Ink Road Stamps wanted to spin this to her advantage by latching onto the hot button issue of the moment and calling him out as anti-BLM in hopes that it would get her more attention & sales. In some respects it worked, there were definitely people on this thread saying they would buy her stamps because of this and I had personally never heard of her before this. + Ink Road Stamps has a history of creating similar drama. While past actions are not a reason to "convict" someone of a current crime, when it follows the same pattern it is relevant... and it definitely goes to her credibility. (If this was a court case, her past cases would likely be admissible because they go to her integrity & follow a similar pattern...) + Tim & Co have had a history of supporting BLM, did not do anything anti-BLM & did not write the emails to Ink Road Stamps. However, they are taking the position of issuing a simple, broad statement and then "rising above" and going back to their regularly scheduled content because they realize that getting into the weeds of defending each thing is just going to cause Ink Road Stamps to make more videos and give her more attention which is why she did this in the first place. I'm all for calling out those who are not supporting BLM and working towards inclusion. But Ink Road Stamps is not black, yet she is using the movement to further her own personal gain which is, in my opinion, despicable. She is doing this to sell more product and cause drama, not because she is really trying to make the world a more inclusive place. I am a strong believer in being an ally, but not taking over the discussion. When there are black people who need someone to stand up for them, I am here, as we all should be. But right now they are strong and they are standing up for themselves. I am here, as we all should be, to support, to listen, and to follow... not to lead. The original artist, a black woman, was not offended. Tim has the support of at least one other black woman on his instagram and seems to be actively working to be more inclusive. I also saw at least one black pea post on here that this was a fight between non-black people about BLM which is not the point and should be dropped. So we should be following these black women and not giving more attention to a woman who is trying to grab all the attention for herself rather than allow it to go to the movement. All I see here is a non-black woman trying to use the BLM movement for her own personal gain and tear down the reputation of someone who is doing his best in the process. I hope that we can let this issue die... and that OP can edit the subject because it's pretty defamatory and I think at the very least its factual accuracy has been called into question. THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yesssssssss Ps she’s from Texas 🤦🏽♀️ |
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Post by JustTricia on Jul 14, 2020 14:08:52 GMT
In this day and age of “receipts”, where are the screenshots of the comments on the original card?
I think it’s a fine line companies walk ~ leave all comments open and up and be deluged with commenters who don’t know 90% of the story but bash the company; close comments completely; delete comments; ban some commenters and not others ~ all while trying to get your PR team together to form a response. That response takes time. Honestly, I see closing and removing comments to be today’s version of “no comment”, “speak to my lawyer”, or “we will be making a statement later”. Why allow commenters to run rampant on a page you pay for or curate before both sides can come out, especially if you know (not saying this is the case here, just saying in general) that the other person is out and out lying. Why allow your name to be tarnished when in the end it may come out that nothing was true? People believe what is originally posted and don’t come back to see responses. All that has happened is you’ve lost customers due to others believing the lies. Of course, you’ll lose customers due to turning off comments, too, but probably less.
The above goes for any business or celebrity.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 14, 2020 14:09:18 GMT
I'm all for calling out those who are not supporting BLM and working towards inclusion. But Ink Road Stamps is not black, yet she is using the movement to further her own personal gain which is, in my opinion, despicable. She is doing this to sell more product and cause drama, not because she is really trying to make the world a more inclusive place. I am a strong believer in being an ally, but not taking over the discussion. When there are black people who need someone to stand up for them, I am here, as we all should be. But right now they are strong and they are standing up for themselves. I am here, as we all should be, to support, to listen, and to follow... not to lead. The original artist, a black woman, was not offended. Tim has the support of at least one other black woman on his instagram and seems to be actively working to be more inclusive. I also saw at least one black pea post on here that this was a fight between non-black people about BLM which is not the point and should be dropped. So we should be following these black women and not giving more attention to a woman who is trying to grab all the attention for herself rather than allow it to go to the movement. All I see here is a non-black woman trying to use the BLM movement for her own personal gain and tear down the reputation of someone who is doing his best in the process. I hope that we can let this issue die... and that OP can edit the subject because it's pretty defamatory and I think at the very least its factual accuracy has been called into question.
This right here.
I am Black. I am also team Tim.
Thank you both. It’s been sad watching people jumping to conclusions and putting their interpretation on things. What lasteve described is how I’m feeling about too many white people  |
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Post by pinklady on Jul 14, 2020 14:14:58 GMT
We do not see header for the email she was forwarded from the scared person. No date. No subject. Tim’s bitter response is onJune 21. We see the header now, but the subject is blotted out. (Why?) But you can see it says something...Tim’s Design Team. Mario’s email header has the date of July 7 with the subject of TROLL. Card in question was posted on Insta on May 31. Not sure when it was put on the FB page. Lara’a timeline makes no sense. Looks like creatively editing the email convos. Still does not explain Mario’s out of character dumb f comment, but not as cut and dry as Lara would make it seem. And it was not to Lara, so the threat to not work was not aimed at her stamp company, right? This is exactly my point. I think The responses from Tim and Mario are real and they did send them but the are not related to the or sent to the card maker who took down her card. Thats why Tim used “doctored” instead of declaring they never wrote them. Those responses are unacceptable and both Tim and Mario should be held accountable for those words. |
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Post by ferblover on Jul 14, 2020 14:15:13 GMT
I am going to amend my thoughts and say, at this point I believe both and that isn't a good thing. Better ways to handle everything and if you want to be in business you do need to be professional. Hinky on both sides maybe. Maybe to avoid all drama I don't follow either or buy either going forward.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 14, 2020 14:28:01 GMT
OK. Slept on it. Here are the facts and relevant points as I see them: Lara did not handle this well. Tim did not handle this well. Tim has MUCH more responsibility as a MUCH more powerful player in the industry to be professional and ensure his team is professional. A beautiful and poignant card was removed from a FB group. The card mentioned #GeorgeFloyd Some people made uncomfortable comments about it. Tim and co did not reach out to the artist or support the art or address the comments. ----- I will not support Tim Holtz or the companies for whom he designs any longer. That's just me. YMMV I’ll preface this with, I’m assuming 😁 but I think the “I’m sorry you were caught up in this circus...I’ll send you a BIG box of product” email was Tim reaching out to the George Floyd card maker. Again, my assumption, from Lara’s second video was that Lara was portraying it as “hush” product. We haven’t had some good crafty drama in a long time.😂 |
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 14, 2020 14:42:02 GMT
I've given up. Like mom , I'm not inclined to do business with either. It looks like a lot of behind-the-scenes drama happened and someone spilled the (partial) beans to Lara who ran with. Nobody's looking good at the end of the day. I can't believe Ranger didn't step in and impose PR guidance. It's making one of the biggest players in the industry look so amateur. I'm not sure there is ever a right way for a brand or company to address a giant rumor mill. There was an issue with Authentique when they first opened that they ended up addressing. SB.com stocked their product because of Authentique's ties to Maggie Holmes. Maggie started to tell everyone that Authentique was HER business rather than she was just an employee/contractor of theirs and it soured the relationship they had. Authentique decided rather quickly to discontinue her ties with the company because of the false claims she was making about her role. Because SB.com had a relationship with Maggie and only brought the product in because of her, they immediately marked down ALL of their Authentique products and said they wouldn't be carrying it. They stock it now, so maybe it was less about the relationship with Maggie and more about their worry that the company wouldn't be successful or successful enough to carry without Maggie's name associated at that point in time. At any rate, the whole thing was very weird and awkward. I feel like the companies that do bow to the pressure to make a public statement are adding fuel to the gossip and gives a larger platform to the drama. Sometimes it really is better to ignore it, but I think Lara's 18k views or whatever it's up to now was enough traffic to force Tim's (and associated brands) hand into addressing it. I think you meant Margie Romney Aslett, not Maggie Holmes. I have nothing constructive to add to the topic at hand, and although I have zero love for Maggie Holmes that was not her in the Authentique debacle. |
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Post by hutchfan on Jul 14, 2020 15:02:59 GMT
Thank you @lasteve 1!
I for one will always be a Tim and Mario fan. I have been on the receiving end of their kindness and if you look at all the responses on his Instagram account the support from businesses, POC male and female who are 100 percent behind Tim, Mario & Zoe and share testament to this along with so many others to his character. Are all these people lying then?
I am saddened at how quickly people rush to judge and condemn now in days.
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Post by pancakes on Jul 14, 2020 15:18:55 GMT
We do not see header for the email she was forwarded from the scared person. No date. No subject. Tim’s bitter response is onJune 21. We see the header now, but the subject is blotted out. (Why?) But you can see it says something...Tim’s Design Team. Mario’s email header has the date of July 7 with the subject of TROLL. Card in question was posted on Insta on May 31. Not sure when it was put on the FB page. Lara’a timeline makes no sense. Looks like creatively editing the email convos. Still does not explain Mario’s out of character dumb f comment, but not as cut and dry as Lara would make it seem. And it was not to Lara, so the threat to not work was not aimed at her stamp company, right? This is exactly my point. I think The responses from Tim and Mario are real and they did send them but the are not related to the or sent to the card maker who took down her card. Thats why Tim used “doctored” instead of declaring they never wrote them. Those responses are unacceptable and both Tim and Mario should be held accountable for those words. This is how I feel, too. I think they had nothing to do with the racism claims (which is great) but that they responded poorly to it (which is unprofessional). |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:29:00 GMT
What’s terribly ironic, is that Lara is labeling TH a racist because she’s says he is not using his platform to let Black voices to be heard, yet Lara also has a social media presence and her IG is void of showcasing black artists and allowing them a voice on her platform. She’s a horrible hypocrite. Tim has a mega platform, she clearly doesn't. I've gone to bed, woken up, enjoyed a few hours of our national holiday and return to this thread filled with attacks against Lara. "Horrible hypocrite", really? That's definitely stretching the issue to paint one party as the darkest side of the dichotomy spectrum.  Not sure if your posting her unoriginal BLM stamps was to show me she supports BLM—it’s not working. She created stamps, as what she calls herself “a basic white girl” to PROFIT off of BLM. (Even if she’s donating portions, she’s still furthering her brand on the backs of people of color) So yes, that makes her a horrible hypocrite in light of the trashing she is doing to other makers. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:30:30 GMT
Apparently, Lara is on TikTok calling anyone asking questions/disagreeing with her “karens” !!! Apparently. Allegedly. It's funny how quickly you fall yourself in the "reporting without checking or bringing the entire evidence" trap that you just blasted someone else for. I wanted to call the obvious irony out because sometimes we don't see it ourselves. Not that it matters. This isn't the issue. This isn't the core of the problem people were discussing in here. This thread was looking at the allegedly photoshopped messages, not who's got the best public track record of being a morally perfect person. Yet you still felt the need to handslap me for participating in this thread. I see a few others posting snippets of the drama, I’m not doing anything differently than they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:40:11 GMT
I'm not sure there is ever a right way for a brand or company to address a giant rumor mill. They addressed it but did it wrong. The mass block on social media was a terrible step and it implicates more than just Tim + Mario + Zoe because companies like Tonic followed suit. Then there were the alleged messages from Tim re: Zoe and whatnot. Nobody could follow what was happening and what the sources were. It's very simple: sit on your agitated fingers, do a video call and decide which PR crisis management (specialist or strategy) you're going with to quickly sweep this under the rug. There's a whole industry dedicated to navigating such messes before they snowball into something huge and difficult to control. It's about minimising damage, not avoiding the crisis altogether. What happened yesterday was absolute amateur hour. Be quiet and ignore the noise until your statement is crafted, checked by the lawyer and posted from a reliable place with maximum visibility. Don't start emailing people about PR boxes and whatnot. Each of those individuals and businesses are allowed to moderate content on their own platforms. They obviously do not want drama, so they are choosing to not allow any if it, I would presume. Otherwise their business pages turn into a thread not so much unlike here, or like comments on the videos all full of misinformation. Take a look at comments made early on, and info that has been confirmed as false, yet the people keep on talking about the incorrect info. Or take for example the case where Lara was posting her interrogating questions all over their platforms including contacting Ranger demanding answers in threads that had nothing to do with the issue or involved herself to begin with. This did not happen to Lara, and she even admits that she didn’t see the comments yet she’s out there inserting herself to trash a brand without the facts—admittedly so—she just ran with what her interpretation was, and all the while knowing for several weeks prior to her first video that the creator of the card took the post down on her own. I don’t blame the brands for shutting comments down. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 15:42:01 GMT
I see a few others posting snippets of the drama, I’m not doing anything differently than they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hey, at least you recognise you're just playing along and doing the same. 🤷 |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:42:14 GMT
People change their minds every day. We just had a thread here that was “do you ever write out a post and delete it” because you don’t want the ensuing drama? It sounds to me that is exactly why this person removed her post (which subsequently deleted any comments to her post because that is how Facebook works). What’s terribly ironic, is that Lara is labeling TH a racist because she’s says he is not using his platform to let Black voices to be heard, yet Lara also has a social media presence and her IG is void of showcasing black artists and allowing them a voice on her platform. She’s a horrible hypocrite. She needs to go after Studio Calico then. Lol! |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 15:42:50 GMT
I don’t blame the brands for shutting comments down. Nobody did. We mentioned the mass block of followers. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:47:58 GMT
I wasn't going to weigh in here... I never heard of the Ink Road lady before this thread and I rarely buy Tim Holtz products, he's just not my style. However, I've been following this thread because the original claims were shocking and it has been super active. I come from a perspective of being the person who always wants to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and believe victims. I also am a lawyer and a lot of my job involves digging through evidence to get to the truth and learning how to present that truth in a believable fashion--and see through when others are trying to present something that is false. I also know that it is SUPER EASY to create a fake email screen shot, I could mock one up in photoshop in about 10 minutes. For sure, we will never know 100% what happened. But, from what I've read/looked up, here are the FACTS: + SSS discontinued Ink Road stamps, we have no idea why + There was a BLM card posted in Tim Holtz FB group that the artist removed herself. We do not know why, if comments were or were not deleted, if Tim/other mods even saw this layout, but we do know two things about this: (1) the artist removed it herself; and (2) Ink Road Lady knew this before publicly posting a video claiming Tim took it down for racist reasons. + Ink Road posted a video claiming that Tim was racist, her support for this was the fact that he removed a card from his FB group that she in fact knew he did not remove, and then she included some screen shots of emails that do not add up with the facts (e.g. said Zoe was going to be fired, but Zoe is still actively representing Tim's brand). + One of the time stamps on an email was in the future US time. Time stamps on emails typically show the time zone of the recipient--not sure where Ink Road is but regardless that email was super recent. + Tim posted in support of BLM on his instagram feed as far back as June 2. + A black artist, queenpreneur on instagram, posted about collaborating with Tim 4 days ago and today he is sharing an IGTV post from her supporting him and saying that Ink Road is just trying to drag him through the mud for attention + Tim posted a public, general statement that simply said the emails are doctored + Zoe reached out to Ink Road stamp trying to get her to discuss via video chat, which is reasonable given that part of Tim's claim is that his email communications had been doctored + Some people have been blocked from posting in Tim's groups or contacting his staff, we do not know why Those are the facts, now we need to draw a reasonable conclusion from the facts. In my OPINION, here is what that conclusion should be: + Ink Road Stamps got her products discontinued from SSS and possibly had some conflict with Tim Holtz & Co, unrelated to BLM + Ink Road Stamps wanted to spin this to her advantage by latching onto the hot button issue of the moment and calling him out as anti-BLM in hopes that it would get her more attention & sales. In some respects it worked, there were definitely people on this thread saying they would buy her stamps because of this and I had personally never heard of her before this. + Ink Road Stamps has a history of creating similar drama. While past actions are not a reason to "convict" someone of a current crime, when it follows the same pattern it is relevant... and it definitely goes to her credibility. (If this was a court case, her past cases would likely be admissible because they go to her integrity & follow a similar pattern...) + Tim & Co have had a history of supporting BLM, did not do anything anti-BLM & did not write the emails to Ink Road Stamps. However, they are taking the position of issuing a simple, broad statement and then "rising above" and going back to their regularly scheduled content because they realize that getting into the weeds of defending each thing is just going to cause Ink Road Stamps to make more videos and give her more attention which is why she did this in the first place. I'm all for calling out those who are not supporting BLM and working towards inclusion. But Ink Road Stamps is not black, yet she is using the movement to further her own personal gain which is, in my opinion, despicable. She is doing this to sell more product and cause drama, not because she is really trying to make the world a more inclusive place. I am a strong believer in being an ally, but not taking over the discussion. When there are black people who need someone to stand up for them, I am here, as we all should be. But right now they are strong and they are standing up for themselves. I am here, as we all should be, to support, to listen, and to follow... not to lead. The original artist, a black woman, was not offended. Tim has the support of at least one other black woman on his instagram and seems to be actively working to be more inclusive. I also saw at least one black pea post on here that this was a fight between non-black people about BLM which is not the point and should be dropped. So we should be following these black women and not giving more attention to a woman who is trying to grab all the attention for herself rather than allow it to go to the movement. All I see here is a non-black woman trying to use the BLM movement for her own personal gain and tear down the reputation of someone who is doing his best in the process. I hope that we can let this issue die... and that OP can edit the subject because it's pretty defamatory and I think at the very least its factual accuracy has been called into question. Excellent! Thank you!! I’d like to add (I had not seen it mentioned here) that it could be very likely that SSS passed on her newest release (I believe the timeline shows that they passed before the videos were made) solely because of the content of her release. The stamps are really out of the SSS wheelhouse—sexually graphic and full on profanity. Obviously my comment about the release is purely opinion/speculation. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:52:11 GMT
I see a few others posting snippets of the drama, I’m not doing anything differently than they are. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Hey, at least you recognise you're just playing along and doing the same. 🤷 Isn’t that what threads like this are for? And if you’re really reading, I’m pulling from what has been said by Lara herself—I’m not making anything up. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 14, 2020 15:53:27 GMT
I don’t blame the brands for shutting comments down. Nobody did. We mentioned the mass block of followers. I just stated my thoughts. However, if you read upthread, it does seem that people are having issue with the brands shutting comments down. |
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Post by Kerri W on Jul 14, 2020 16:00:01 GMT
I don’t blame the brands for shutting comments down. Nobody did. We mentioned the mass block of followers. About the mass block of followers... Where did that information come from? Help me remember, please. I have probably ready too much, too many places. I'm only remembering Lara stating there was a mass blocking (which we know she isn't exactly factual) and RefugeePea here saying she, personally, had been blocked. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 14, 2020 16:05:14 GMT
Nobody did. We mentioned the mass block of followers. About the mass block of followers... Where did that information come from? Help me remember, please. I have probably ready too much, too many places. I'm only remembering Lara stating there was a mass blocking (which we know she isn't exactly factual) and RefugeePea here saying she, personally, had been blocked. experienced it and then I quietly attempted it with one of my Insta accounts. |
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Post by greatdaneaddict on Jul 14, 2020 16:49:26 GMT
All I have to add is that Lara has actually been arrested and charged with fraud on two separate occasions (although I'm unable to find if she was convicted). Either way, take it for what you will.
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Post by mrssch on Jul 14, 2020 17:01:13 GMT
oooh! I like that stamp. Going to find out where to purchase.
the BLACK LIVES MATTER issue is what's most important to me.
some companies/brands/designers aren't even making this effort.
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Post by lindas on Jul 14, 2020 17:28:03 GMT
So I finally went and took a look at her stamps. I can get behind being a little edgy but her stuff goes way over the line for me. I’m amazed anyone would waste their money buying those stamps and I can see why SSS dropped her.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 14, 2020 17:57:11 GMT
HAHAHAHAHA I just checked out Ink Road Stamps. Wow they definitely fill a niche.  Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either. |
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Post by peachiceteas on Jul 14, 2020 18:04:43 GMT
HAHAHAHAHA I just checked out Ink Road Stamps. Wow they definitely fill a niche.  Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either. I just checked their stamps out off the back of your comment and you're totally right about them filling a niche - ha! If she has a stamp about getting tipsy/drunk - I'm buying it. I haven't found any stamps about wine/beer/cocktails and getting tipsy anywhere and me and my husband love a little vacay drink! |
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Post by auntmimi on Jul 14, 2020 18:16:33 GMT
HAHAHAHAHA I just checked out Ink Road Stamps. Wow they definitely fill a niche. Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either. The little stick figures on the first page made me laugh out loud, but it's nothing I would ever ever ever buy. |
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Post by jediannie on Jul 14, 2020 18:18:39 GMT
So here’s my take on this whole thing. Is TH racist? Yes, we all have inherent biases/prejudices that we need to work through, we all have racism in us. Is he virtue signaling and doing performative allyship? Yes. Is he an asshole? HUGE yes. I have witnessed this twice, once at a CHA and once after a class I took many years ago. He made fun of the way some of the ladies looked (their weight and what they were wearing). So gross.
As to Lara, she is very confrontational and is not afraid to back down from a fight when she thinks there has been an injustice done. She does have a criminal past, she has revealed all in her TikTok over the past week or so. She also was brought into a cult when she was a kid so that has serious repercussions on someone’s mental health. So, when people call her “nutters” and “unhinged” it’s insensitive. Before you make comments on someone’s mental health status, do some research.
Do I agree with the way she has handled this and other issues she’s had in the past? Nope, not at all. These things could have been handled much differently but it is what it is. Is it easy to manipulate/forge emails? Also yes.
So, like I posted in Ranger’s post, there are always 2 sides to every story and we may never know the whole truth. Will I buy Tim holtz products anymore? Nope. Will I buy IRS products? If one appeals to me, yes but they’re not my style (except for the Star Wars and Disney ones, those were super cute, and I do like some of the pop culture ones).
Anyway, if you’ve read all the way to here, you’re the true MVP. 😂😂😂
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jediannie
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Post by jediannie on Jul 14, 2020 18:21:17 GMT
All I have to add is that Lara has actually been arrested and charged with fraud on two separate occasions (although I'm unable to find if she was convicted). Either way, take it for what you will. So this means we should discredit everything she says? She fully discloses what she did in her tiktok so it’s not a secret. She was a shoplifter that was in jail. |
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Post by greatdaneaddict on Jul 14, 2020 18:27:54 GMT
All I have to add is that Lara has actually been arrested and charged with fraud on two separate occasions (although I'm unable to find if she was convicted). Either way, take it for what you will. So this means we should discredit everything she says? She fully discloses what she did in her tiktok so it’s not a secret. She was a shoplifter that was in jail. I didn't say you should discredit everything she says. I said take it for what you will. (I think the fact that she got caught in a lie in her first video is more telling than anything.) Also, I don't have tiktok - so it's good to hear she fully disclosed it. |
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Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either.
Some I'd buy some aren't my thing but I guess I don't have a stick up my ass or wear pearls either.