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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 29, 2020 20:55:23 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded? You don’t. Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. Drama much? From the sanctimonious “you can disagree but still have discussion girl?” I’m not a “fan girl” either sweetie, I know you meant that as derogatory, but nope. I just like looking at what actually transpired and assessing—I’m not into the assuming I know.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 29, 2020 20:56:15 GMT
You all want details—the ugly he said/she said details. You're the one making assumptions. That’s all you got from my post? I was so right!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 29, 2020 20:57:23 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded? You don’t. Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. The only “holier than thou” attitude here is yours.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Jul 29, 2020 21:24:13 GMT
I just like looking at what actually transpired and assessing—I’m not into the assuming I know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 21:33:32 GMT
To those that think they would have handled this better or “professionally “, how do you know how you would have responded? You don’t. Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. It doesn’t matter what your profession is, you’re making assumptions without all the facts. 👋🏼
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 21:35:40 GMT
Work in branding, particularly the social media sphere. Worked in PR. Refer clients to crisis management and I've mentioned it before in this very discussion. But you're right, I don't know. Gotta love the holier-than-thou attitude in here. I'm out. The fangirls can claim this as their appointed stoop. I can sit elsewhere. Post all you want. Your opinion is as welcome as anyone else's. I love how people get all hand-slappy and opinionated about other peas posting their OPINIONS. Shades of Tracie Claiborne methinks. I just posted my opinion.. 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 21:47:42 GMT
Post all you want. Your opinion is as welcome as anyone else's. I love how people get all hand-slappy and opinionated about other peas posting their OPINIONS. Shades of Tracie Claiborne methinks. I just posted my opinion.. 🤷🏻♀️ Yep. That's what we're all doing and allowed to do. Tracie would be proud of us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 21:47:54 GMT
Okay *blows a loud PE coach whistle*
We all have our own thoughts and opinions on this and that is okay. We all come at this from different corners. Again, okay.
Please remember that, k?! No one is trying to one up or trump another.
I don't need this drama shit to separate and divide us.
That is exactly what Lara wanted and right now she is winning and that pisses me off.
We are crafters who are from all walks of life, countries, experiences. I love that about us. I learn a lot.
I love our discussions and reading how others perceive an issue. But damn it, I don't like when it turns sour.
I am about to put everyone in time out 😜
Don't make me get out some washi tape (to do what I don't know lol)
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Post by lasteve1 on Jul 29, 2020 21:56:55 GMT
I said my piece on the original topic of this thread way back towards the beginning and my assessment has not changed, as more facts have come out they have just supported my initial assessment. So I wasn't planning on commenting further on this, but I just wanted to add a comment from my perspective as a lawyer in case others hadn't thought of this...
I see a few comments along the lines of "he was silent on the issue" "he could've clarified" "he could've issued a public statement" etc.
I'm not disputingthat many people on here wanted a response from him and, despite having made my own assessment, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But there has also been speculation, given Lara's recanting video, that Tim sued her for libel/slander and that the apology video was part of a settlement (or given the short timeline of events, more likely he retained an attorney who threaten her with suit if she did not recant causing the apology video). Early on in the drama he had posted one comment on events, but then when people asked for clarification he was silent on the issue until now, after her apology video. I have no idea what went on behind the scenes, but, if he had hired an attorney to sue her the FIRST thing that attorney would've said is DO NOT PUBLICLY COMMENT ON THIS. He would have been told to go about his business online as if it was not happening, not engage her and not post any comments. Only after a settlement was reached would he, and his team, be free to comment again.
Again, not saying that is what happened or even if there was a lawsuit, or threat of a suit. My only point is, there is a good chance that he did not comment further during the events because he had an attorney telling him not to. Just a thought.
ETA: I don't know that much about PR, although it is relevant to my job it's not my department. But, I do know that once lawyers/lawsuits get involved, the focus switches from PR to preserving your case and, as an attorney, the moment he decided to retain an attorney the attorney would've taken over.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 30, 2020 0:14:04 GMT
I just like looking at what actually transpired and assessing—I’m not into the assuming I know. At least I’m not a hypocrite.
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Post by gale w on Jul 30, 2020 1:31:09 GMT
Ahh...some peas never disappoint. I'm not a huge fan of Tim's art style but he'll get my business in whatever items I normally use. I won't fangirl over him and I won't buy anything I wouldn't normally buy (hello sizzix), but I'm not going to stop my distress oxide obsession or love of storage tins or hoarding of watercolor cardstock.
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Post by JustTricia on Jul 30, 2020 12:49:45 GMT
Question ~ if Tim owned a brick and mortar store and people were walking in every day yelling about him being a racist, telling (what he knew to be) lies about him, his business, and the people that work for him, what is his right as the owner of a private business? Ask or tell the people ranting and raving to leave or let them stand in the middle of his store yelling at the top of their lungs for every other customer to hear? We’d expect him to make them leave and at worst call the police to escort them off the property, right? We would never expect those type of people to be able to stay in a store acting like that, right?
But when it happens online and people get blocked, he’s in the wrong? Same thing, just different venue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 14:35:38 GMT
I think this is a lesson in needing to assess what we see online and not accepting it as "fact". I'd like to see more people be held accountable for their words + actions. Lara made some pretty serious allegations, and I hope there are stiff penalties coming her way.
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Post by craftgranny on Jul 30, 2020 15:05:20 GMT
Honestly, I’m not sure what to believe. I hope the emails were really fake but I do have my doubts. One of the emails from “Tim” at the very beginning says that Zoe had been removed from his brand. She is currently still an Admin on the FB group and posted today. At the very least that email from “Tim” is fake, and if that one is fake I’d lean more towards the others being fake as well. Zoe is the owner and founder of the FB group Tim Holtz Addicts. It is a fan group for those people that love TH style and products. She started it about 7 years ago and has said that before in the group. Tim is an active member of the group and enjoys seeing how his products are used. He will offer to answer questions about products which is extremely helpful. His preference is IG for social media. He has said this numerous times on his FB live videos. The troll that wrote the fake emails has an axe to grind with Zoe and Tim. Zoe is often asked to create projects for Tim and they have become personal friends over the years. The troll is extremely jealous of the friendship that Zoe and Tim have. The amount of jealousy in the craft world is just amazing however people are going to believe what they want to believe. Just the facts m'am!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 16:40:19 GMT
One of the emails from “Tim” at the very beginning says that Zoe had been removed from his brand. She is currently still an Admin on the FB group and posted today. At the very least that email from “Tim” is fake, and if that one is fake I’d lean more towards the others being fake as well. Zoe is the owner and founder of the FB group Tim Holtz Addicts. It is a fan group for those people that love TH style and products. She started it about 7 years ago and has said that before in the group. Tim is an active member of the group and enjoys seeing how his products are used. He will offer to answer questions about products which is extremely helpful. His preference is IG for social media. He has said this numerous times on his FB live videos. The troll that wrote the fake emails has an axe to grind with Zoe and Tim. Zoe is often asked to create projects for Tim and they have become personal friends over the years. The troll is extremely jealous of the friendship that Zoe and Tim have. The amount of jealousy in the craft world is just amazing however people are going to believe what they want to believe. Just the facts m'am! Remember the Garden Girls?! Damn...they were nasty sometimes.
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Post by scrappyesq on Jul 30, 2020 23:06:18 GMT
Ahh...some peas never disappoint. I'm not a huge fan of Tim's art style but he'll get my business in whatever items I normally use. I won't fangirl over him and I won't buy anything I wouldn't normally buy (hello sizzix), but I'm not going to stop my distress oxide obsession or love of storage tins or hoarding of watercolor cardstock. Everything you said. I don't like his style, not a fangirl but I absolutely will keep buying and using distress oxides and watercolor cardstock. Truth be told this thread has done A LOT LESS to change my opinion of him but it has definitely reinforced my opinion about a few Peas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2020 23:57:52 GMT
Ahh...some peas never disappoint. I'm not a huge fan of Tim's art style but he'll get my business in whatever items I normally use. I won't fangirl over him and I won't buy anything I wouldn't normally buy (hello sizzix), but I'm not going to stop my distress oxide obsession or love of storage tins or hoarding of watercolor cardstock. Everything you said. I don't like his style, not a fangirl but I absolutely will keep buying and using distress oxides and watercolor cardstock. Truth be told this thread has done A LOT LESS to change my opinion of him but it has definitely reinforced my opinion about a few Peas. Same.
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Post by jediannie on Jul 31, 2020 3:54:58 GMT
Everything you said. I don't like his style, not a fangirl but I absolutely will keep buying and using distress oxides and watercolor cardstock. Truth be told this thread has done A LOT LESS to change my opinion of him but it has definitely reinforced my opinion about a few Peas. Same. This is the same for me as well. I need to stop reading this thread because it's making me punchy.
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 31, 2020 5:07:30 GMT
This is the same for me as well. I need to stop reading this thread because it's making me punchy. I love the ignore feature, had to unlock it to see what all the hubbub was.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jul 31, 2020 18:34:43 GMT
This is the same for me as well. I need to stop reading this thread because it's making me punchy. I love the ignore feature, had to unlock it to see what all the hubbub was. What the hubbub always is... peas being peas.
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Post by wonderwoman on Aug 13, 2020 3:02:41 GMT
I would NEVER believe or buy anything from Ink Road Lara.. In 2016 I made the mistake of ordering from her.. She sent the wrong product on my order and wanted me to pay for her mistake.. She was very rude and yes I still have her emails to me... Don't trust her at all ~ You were the pea I referenced earlier then!! Didn't she accuse you of preventing her from being able to pay her rent or something? lol.. That wasn't me , but I think she makes things up to be the victim... lol
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 13, 2020 17:11:45 GMT
You were the pea I referenced earlier then!! Didn't she accuse you of preventing her from being able to pay her rent or something? lol.. That wasn't me , but I think she makes things up to be the victim... lol Well maybe you should feel relieved that you're not the only pea she's berated then, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2020 20:12:23 GMT
You were the pea I referenced earlier then!! Didn't she accuse you of preventing her from being able to pay her rent or something? lol.. That wasn't me , but I think she makes things up to be the victim... lol So say you! That sounds like victim blaming! Lara being the victim here!!
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Post by mom on Aug 31, 2020 1:33:44 GMT
lol.. That wasn't me , but I think she makes things up to be the victim... lol So say you! That sounds like victim blaming! Lara being the victim here!! You think Lara is a victim? ROFL ok. The only thing she is a victim of is lying, getting caught and inserting herself into something she didn't have a clue about.
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Post by FurryP on Aug 31, 2020 2:00:29 GMT
Poor Lara. Everyone picks on her.
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