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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 20, 2020 23:02:54 GMT
I didn't know that there were still protests going on in Portland until the other day when I heard a little bit about the feds going in. I am surprised that I don't see more about this on the news? Or have I just missed it? My brother lives in Portland and he thinks the feds coming changed the tone of the protests from peaceful to not, and that now people are defending the city against Trump. But I have another FB friend that seems to think that the Feds are needed. What are your thoughts about this, particularly if you live in Portland?
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Post by sunshine on Jul 20, 2020 23:18:01 GMT
Take some time to look up coverage of what’s going on. The shit has been going on over 50 days straight. My ass it got worse when the feds got there. These are anarchists rioting, setting fires, etc.
Peaceful? Like Chop? I don’t think so.
Screw this crap.
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Post by ntsf on Jul 20, 2020 23:19:06 GMT
there is lots of news about this in sf bay area news. I would believe all reports that the feds are making it worse.. and how are they legal not to be identified.? banana republic tactics...and if none of the locals want you and if you are not cooperating with them.. a set up for failure.. as they say.. distraction theater...
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Post by andreasmom on Jul 20, 2020 23:23:57 GMT
Take some time to look up coverage of what’s going on. The shit has been going on over 50 days straight. My ass it got worse when the feds got there. These are anarchists rioting, setting fires, etc. Peaceful? Like Chop? I don’t think so. Screw this crap. Are you in the Portland area? Would love to have a local Pea’s view. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 20, 2020 23:33:57 GMT
Sorry, but I don’t care to share what area I’m in.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 20, 2020 23:56:15 GMT
I have a friend who lives in a suburb of Portland. She said it's awful what is happening to a once beautiful city. In her words *A lot of nuts down there.* She won't go down there any longer. My son marched in the Portland Rose Festival in 2004 and we thought it was a really nice place.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 20, 2020 23:56:44 GMT
My brother said that there has been aggression on the part of the city police as well at night. That they will gas anyone if they do anything, even throwing a water bottle.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 20, 2020 23:58:35 GMT
I have a friend who lives in a suburb of Portland. She said it's awful what is happening to a once beautiful city. In her words *A lot of nuts down there.* She won't go down there any longer. My son marched in the Portland Rose Festival in 2004 and we thought it was a really nice place. Is she referring to before or after the feds showed up? It sounds like downtown is not a good place to go at night right now. But I don’t think the feds are helping. If anything it is giving anarchists more reason to fight. |
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Post by sunshine on Jul 21, 2020 0:00:23 GMT
A lot of anarchists are throwing frozen water bottles. Quite a difference than just water-they are like bricks.
Why would anybody try to downplay anarchy. There’s looting, vandalism, fires being set, attacking the police. Even throwing a water bottle is wrong.
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 21, 2020 0:01:09 GMT
I am Portland adjacent, the protests are for the most part peaceful. There have been fires set, but it isn’t like there is looting and rioting and people running amuck. The violent incidents are not the norm, the damage is minimal and the people for the most part are peaceful. There have been numerous videos of people in military style gear taking people off the street and putting them in unmarked vans without identifying themselves or saying anything to the protestors to say why they are being removed,
There was a contingent of moms out last night protecting the protestors.
The police use of force is out of line for what they are encountering, there was one night the police had some sort of wand things that were shooting flames out of them towards the ground. The officers were just walking down the street in full riot gear waving them back and forth. There are tanks for who knows what purpose. There are reports of snipers on top of buildings.
There is nothing like the CHOP situation in Seattle. I don’t believe sunshine is in this area based on other things she has posted.
I do believe it is less about BLM and more about defunding the police though right now and that is disappointing to me.
For anyone interested in seeing how the media is covering it here I suggest kptv.com. There news is not my favorite to watch, but they have the best online presence and easiest website to navigate. There is a current video from last night so you can get a glimpse of what the protesting looks like. I like Oregonlive.com as well but I think they may be pay after a certain number of articles or for full coverage.
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Post by marmargirl on Jul 21, 2020 0:30:59 GMT
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2020 0:34:58 GMT
Take some time to look up coverage of what’s going on. The shit has been going on over 50 days straight. My ass it got worse when the feds got there. These are anarchists rioting, setting fires, etc. Peaceful? Like Chop? I don’t think so. Screw this crap. You are totally wrong. |
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2020 0:36:24 GMT
I have a friend who lives in a suburb of Portland. She said it's awful what is happening to a once beautiful city. In her words *A lot of nuts down there.* She won't go down there any longer. My son marched in the Portland Rose Festival in 2004 and we thought it was a really nice place. It’s still a beautiful city. It’s not perfect - no place is. |
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 21, 2020 0:40:35 GMT
Thanks for giving the local perspective Skellinton and marmargirl . I'm horrified that federal troops have gone into a state/city without the consent of local government and are ignoring requests that they leave. |
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2020 0:40:59 GMT
The feds used tear gas on the Wall Of Moms last night. Like hell they haven’t made things worse. The feds are lawless, dangerous and shameful. And anyone who isn’t absolutely appalled that the federal government is sending troops into a city without the permission of state or local government needs their head screwed on straight.
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Post by sunshine on Jul 21, 2020 1:00:54 GMT
More than once the Portland police themselves have declared riots. When people are throwing bricks, pointing lasers in officers' eyes, throwing mortars, breaking into the Portland Police Association building trying to set it on fire, it's a fricking riot.
There are peaceful protests, but it's only peaceful until it isn't. And when it turns, it gets ugly-fast.
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Post by busy on Jul 21, 2020 1:31:55 GMT
More than once the Portland police themselves have declared riots. When people are throwing bricks, pointing lasers in officers' eyes, throwing mortars, breaking into the Portland Police Association building trying to set it on fire, it's a fricking riot. There are peaceful protests, but it's only peaceful until it isn't. And when it turns, it gets ugly-fast. Yeah, PPB isn’t exactly the model of restraint. They’ve got plenty of their own problems. There definitely has been violence from a small faction of people during the protests, but it’s the exception. Both PPB and feds have acted violently and disproportionately. |
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Post by AngieJoy on Jul 21, 2020 1:53:52 GMT
Take some time to look up coverage of what’s going on. The shit has been going on over 50 days straight. My ass it got worse when the feds got there. These are anarchists rioting, setting fires, etc. Peaceful? Like Chop? I don’t think so. Screw this crap. You are totally wrong. No joke. Painfully wrong. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 21, 2020 2:05:29 GMT
I don’t support anarchists, rioting, looting or burning. But I do support protesting. I think that Trump’s statements in June about how he would respond to protestors really ticked a lot of people off. Heck, when he has the protestors cleared in Washington DC so he could have his photo op I was ready to go protest as well. I don’t think the way this has been handled has been effective, and it definitely sounds like the feds are making it worse. Like my brother said...now people are protecting their city from Trump and the federal government. Who would have thought that would ever happen in the US?
I really can’t believe that there isn’t more national news about this. But on one hand maybe it’s good since it would give trump the publicity that he wants? But I also wonder how many people know about this? How is it being covered on Fox?
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Post by Merge on Jul 21, 2020 2:34:04 GMT
I don’t support anarchists, rioting, looting or burning. But I do support protesting. I think that Trump’s statements in June about how he would respond to protestors really ticked a lot of people off. Heck, when he has the protestors cleared in Washington DC so he could have his photo op I was ready to go protest as well. I don’t think the way this has been handled has been effective, and it definitely sounds like the feds are making it worse. Like my brother said...now people are protecting their city from Trump and the federal government. Who would have thought that would ever happen in the US? I really can’t believe that there isn’t more national news about this. But on one hand maybe it’s good since it would give trump the publicity that he wants? But I also wonder how many people know about this? How is it being covered on Fox? I think you got your answer about how it's being covered on Fox from the poster up above.  |
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Post by Just T on Jul 21, 2020 2:40:23 GMT
A lot of anarchists are throwing frozen water bottles. Quite a difference than just water-they are like bricks. Why would anybody try to downplay anarchy. There’s looting, vandalism, fires being set, attacking the police. Even throwing a water bottle is wrong. Why would anyone try to downplay this virus? Thousands of people are dying, yet your beloved Trump continues to say the virus is under control. He is still saying it is going to one day disappear.
I love how you pick and choose the things to defend.
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Post by Merge on Jul 21, 2020 2:48:59 GMT
Honestly, when we're to the point where American citizens are being snatched off the streets by nameless soldiers in unmarked vans, arrested without cause and without due process, the riots should be widespread. You don't think that's made things worse? I think you're crazy.
Let's talk about the Republican governor and AG of Missouri trying to get charges dropped against the gun-wielding Karen and Chad who pointed loaded weapons at peaceful protestors, and the fact that Fox is calling this "flashing" a gun and doing a muckraking investigation/intimidation attempt into the DA who is bringing charges against them. Let's talk about how if they had been a black couple doing the same thing, they'd be dead already, likely gunned down by police in their own front yard.
Let's talk about the inequity communities of color will face when rich white folks hire professionals to tutor their kids at home this fall, and poor ones are stuck with online school attendance because Trump et al downplayed the pandemic for so long that it is raging unchecked in many parts of the country, making it unsafe for anyone to go back to school in person.
Let's talk about the GOP's continued attempt at voter suppression because they know it's the only way they can win this fall after the nightmare of these last three and a half years.
Anarchy in Portland MY ass. The people who have done the most damage to the rule of law and done the most to curtail our rights is the GOP, starting with the asshat at the top and going down through all the Repub governors and other leadership who have supported it. Anarchy currently starts in the White House and travels right down through every GOP controlled state and locality. You're afraid to travel to Portland? The world is afraid to travel to the entire US, and we're banned from traveling to almost every other country, and that has nothing to do what's going on in Portland. We are the shithole country descending into lawlessness, and it has nothing to do with Portland. Pull your head out of your damn ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 4:26:45 GMT
 He came to the protest with a question. He left with two broken bones in a confrontation with federal officers that went viral. Christopher David had watched in horror as videos surfaced of federal officers in camouflage throwing protesters into unmarked vans in Portland. The 53-year-old Portland resident had heard the stories: protesters injured, gassed, sprayed with chemicals that tugged at their nostrils and burned their eyes. David, a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and former member of the Navy’s Civil Engineer Corps, said he wanted to know what the officers involved thought of the oath they had sworn to protect and defend the Constitution. So, he said, on Saturday evening, he headed to downtown Portland to ask them. That night’s protests outside the federal courthouse — the 51st day of ongoing demonstrations — began with a line of local moms linking arms and demanding the federal agents stop targeting Portland kids. David, who had never attended a protest before, hung back and watched. He was trying to keep his distance, he said, as a host of health problems have made him especially vulnerable amid a still-raging coronavirus pandemic. He asked one woman when the feds would show up, but she said it was also her first protest since the Department of Homeland Security deployed tactical units from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection to bolster protections for federal buildings and officers in the Pacific Northwest city. ‘It was like being preyed upon’: Portland protesters say federal officers in unmarked vans are detaining them Just as he was about to leave, David said, the federal officers emerged. They rushed a line of protesters nearby, knocking them to the ground. David walked toward a gap in the line, calling out to the officers. “Why are you not honoring your oath?” he bellowed. “Why are you not honoring your oath to the Constitution?” An officer trained his weapon on David’s chest as several agents pushed him, sending David stumbling backward. But he regained his center and tried again. Another agent raised his baton and began to beat David, who stood unwavering with his arms at his sides. Then another officer unloaded a canister of chemical irritant spray into David’s face. That was all he could handle, David said, he turned and walked away, flipping off the federal forces as he went. A video taken by Portland Tribune reporter Zane Sparling that captures David’s moment of resistance has, as of early Monday, been viewed nearly 9 million times. Unable to see from the chemicals burning his eyes and blurring his vision, David said, he stumbled into a cloud of gas that made him cough and retch. He found his way to a bench in the park, where a street medic aided him and eventually pulled him away from the advancing officers. At the hospital, he said, he learned his right hand had been broken in two places. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher-david-portland-protest-video/ |
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Post by Skellinton on Jul 21, 2020 4:50:08 GMT
That video is just one of many showing how out of control the federal agents are. They are absolutely making this situation worse. The way they assault that man and he just stands there is just one of many I have seen that made my skin crawl. The PDX police were bad before, taking medical supplies from people that were providing medical aid, pouring out water bottles being passed out to volunteers, detaining people for no reason.etc, but the violence shown towards the protestors has absolutely increased since the Federal agents came into town.
Can Kate Brown do nothing about it, does anyone know? I am glad she is not my governor, because she seems like kind of a do nothing and wishy washy, but can she not step in and do something to have them removed? I know Wheeler (mayor) has spoken out against them, but I doubt he has any power. He could do better with the PDX police force, but I do think the Feds are out of control and the big problem right now,
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Post by lucyg on Jul 21, 2020 5:18:53 GMT
He came to the protest with a question. He left with two broken bones in a confrontation with federal officers that went viral. Christopher David had watched in horror as videos surfaced of federal officers in camouflage throwing protesters into unmarked vans in Portland. The 53-year-old Portland resident had heard the stories: protesters injured, gassed, sprayed with chemicals that tugged at their nostrils and burned their eyes. David, a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and former member of the Navy’s Civil Engineer Corps, said he wanted to know what the officers involved thought of the oath they had sworn to protect and defend the Constitution. So, he said, on Saturday evening, he headed to downtown Portland to ask them. That night’s protests outside the federal courthouse — the 51st day of ongoing demonstrations — began with a line of local moms linking arms and demanding the federal agents stop targeting Portland kids. David, who had never attended a protest before, hung back and watched. He was trying to keep his distance, he said, as a host of health problems have made him especially vulnerable amid a still-raging coronavirus pandemic. He asked one woman when the feds would show up, but she said it was also her first protest since the Department of Homeland Security deployed tactical units from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and U.S. Customs and Border Protection to bolster protections for federal buildings and officers in the Pacific Northwest city. ‘It was like being preyed upon’: Portland protesters say federal officers in unmarked vans are detaining them Just as he was about to leave, David said, the federal officers emerged. They rushed a line of protesters nearby, knocking them to the ground. David walked toward a gap in the line, calling out to the officers. “Why are you not honoring your oath?” he bellowed. “Why are you not honoring your oath to the Constitution?” An officer trained his weapon on David’s chest as several agents pushed him, sending David stumbling backward. But he regained his center and tried again. Another agent raised his baton and began to beat David, who stood unwavering with his arms at his sides. Then another officer unloaded a canister of chemical irritant spray into David’s face. That was all he could handle, David said, he turned and walked away, flipping off the federal forces as he went. A video taken by Portland Tribune reporter Zane Sparling that captures David’s moment of resistance has, as of early Monday, been viewed nearly 9 million times. Unable to see from the chemicals burning his eyes and blurring his vision, David said, he stumbled into a cloud of gas that made him cough and retch. He found his way to a bench in the park, where a street medic aided him and eventually pulled him away from the advancing officers. At the hospital, he said, he learned his right hand had been broken in two places. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher-david-portland-protest-video/There’s your Portland anarchists at work, sunshine. A non-violent retired Naval officer getting the crap beaten out of him for questioning the anonymous federal agents. Still siding with Trump on this one? He is TRYING to start a civil war. |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 21, 2020 5:33:23 GMT
I just tried to quote nogfz but she posted and then deleted really fast. If you’re still hanging around, hon, I wanted to ask you if retired Naval officer Christopher David was throwing frozen water bottles at officers? Because he left with a broken hand and tear gas in his lungs. Hint: the answer is no. I want those damn federal agents out of our cities, until and unless they are invited by local officials. |
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jul 21, 2020 5:54:46 GMT
What is happening in Portland is terrifying.
I am at a loss about what to do or how I can help.
Obviously I can vote in November in the National election as well as support my local candidates who are running—like Mark Kelly for Senate from AZ—flip that seat to blue!
What can I do to help now though?
If things continue like this for several months...well, that’s just terrifying to me.
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Jul 21, 2020 6:50:22 GMT
Portland has not been receiving a lot of national coverage on CNN or MSNBC over the past few weeks. However, it seems that whenever I watch the top of the hour headlines on Fox (I try to stay informed on how the "other side" views events in our country) it has absolutely been the headline story - the anarchy, the rioting, the chaos, and on and on. I'm sure orange guy is pleased that the virus has taken a back seat as far as news coverage on his favorite channel.
MSNBC and CNN are certainly giving the story some attention now that the federal agents have descended on the city.
Here are a couple of comments I read on a Twitter thread about the Portland Moms.
"The feds have messed with the wrong moms. BadAsses Every single one. Women will save this country"
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"And the chances are really good that every one of those Moms is a voter. Probably every single one of them.
And they will remember this experience when they vote on November 3rd"
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jul 21, 2020 6:56:10 GMT
I visited my elderly aunt today, here in my Portland suburb. It was all I could do to keep my mouth shut when she said how glad she was that Trump sent out the NG who fixed the rioting in Portland. Interesting spin whatever news she watched put on it, if she thinks things are better.
MY daughter lives and works in Portland, and I know some of the protesters. They are idealistic, well educated young people who believe this is their chance to make a difference in this unfair world. DD, who is 37, just shakes her head and says she no longer thinks anything can change, and she’s too tired to join her friends and coworkers, but she brings them water and other things to help.
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