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Post by PLurker on Aug 26, 2020 21:23:05 GMT
rant/vent/expressing frustration ahead. With the shooting of Jacob Blake 7 times in the back by police officers and the following unrest in Kenosha and now the 17 year old kid that came over the state line from nearby Antioch IL to be part of it all and ending up killing two and injuring another with the long rifle (?) it has put my little world (or brain) in a spin. I am safe in the middle of a corn field in the furthest part of the county, 40ish minutes away. It's all surreal. And my faith in humanity is not getting better. I posted something about that walking away from police officers shouldn't be a (near in Jacob's case) death sentence. Someone I knew since childhood posted "well, burning down the town will solve it". My reply was that I was capable of not condoning both. and on it went with excuses why he "deserved" it and blah, blah, blah.... Now in past instances of these injustices (too many!) I expect to see the bigoted stupid ass things people say. But now being so rural I know many of them, grew up with them or at least recognize many of the names. After the the first night of protest turned rioting someone I know posted photo of cars with license plates obscured in the area so "be ready people". I get the worry but doubted they were coming to a cornfield near us if they were up to no good. The heads up? warranted and fine with me. Where I made the mistake is looking at the comments. A lot of (seemingly excited to be) "locked and loaded", "guns sighted in", some bigoted idiocy and my fave (  ) "I have 7 more bullets ready". oh, and George Soros paid and sent the interlopers in those cars , too- who were obviously far-left extremists.  Again, from people I know. or know of. Now today, some people are wanting to excuse this kid (17) who broke so many laws just having the gun and taking it over the border just to start and went on to shoot 3 people, killing 2. some (none I know thankfully) calling him a hero. and these are people who I grew up with and actually hung around as kids. Wtf. I don't know the purpose of this post except to rant, vent and express my sorrow and anger in lack of humanity. It becomes more real when you know the names. It's a whole nother layer of disturbing. I will never look at some people the same if and when I run into them. Makes me want to move more. It's become more apparent how country living is often depicted as all cozy, rosy and picturesque but in reality it is often a tight closed, white circle. All's well when left to themselves having it their way. I am logged off social media for now, need to step away, but the comments I saw can't be unseen. Thanks for letting me vent by typing it out, I guess. Feel free to discuss or not. It was and is just eating at me. A lot. Seeing peoples true colors ain't easy sometimes. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 26, 2020 21:31:31 GMT
I am sorry.  I see similar comments, but of course it is closer to home for you. Last night I actually saw someone say that they think people put themselves in a position to get shot in order to get fame and attention. WTF? ?How much sense does that make? As for not being able to unsee comments from friends and family...I agree that I can't ever look at some people the same again. That really bothers me, especially when it is people that I liked and cared about. Sometimes I don't know what to do with those thoughts and feelings. |
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Post by PLurker on Aug 26, 2020 21:57:24 GMT
Ditto. Shades of Brock Turner and every other poor little misunderstood white criminal. |
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Post by PLurker on Aug 26, 2020 22:20:45 GMT
It's become more apparent how country living is often depicted as all cozy, rosy and picturesque but in reality it is often a tight closed, white circle. All's well when left to themselves having it their way. (quick quoting myself, I am) to share something written by a younger resident. FYI "west of the I" means west of interstate 94, the "country" part of Kenosha County (me) the town is east, up to Lake Michigan. She says it better. "Watching national news coverage, seeing tweets by politicians, posts by friends from other states and other countries, all talking about Kenosha, a place that no one knew existed last week is a mind boggling experience. The part of the experience that is completely unsurprising is the why behind the headlines. Being a West of the I, county kid, the pervasive racism that exists in Kenosha county is no secret. Every summer Country Thunder brings out the Confederate flag bikini wearing girls in cowboy boots, sitting on the shoulders of their self proclaimed red neck boyfriend's who drive lifted trucks with Confederate flags waving off the back. Every Fall, county kids go back to school where less than a single percentage of students identify as something other than white. Winter comes and an entire white savior narrative is created by Fox News Milwaukee showing food drives and coat drives where most of the donations go to kids segregated into the lowest funded districts across the state. Spring begins to thaw the region, and county parents actively announce they don't want their kid to go to UW Madison to become a radicalized liberal hippie, and wont dare to tour Marquette or UW Milwaukee where "the ghetto" is always one street away. The world loves to paint county towns as picturesque farm fields with romanticized communities of neighborly people. Racist narratives are woven through every facet of county life, and when those county kids grow up to be officers terrorizing people of color just 15 miles away in "the city" we act surprised. Nothing about the happenings in Kenosha should surprise anyone familiar with the dynamics of the county. Buildings will be rebuilt, insurance monies will pay out, objects and items will be replaced. What worries me most is not the rioting and looting. It's the folks, sitting West of the I, turning a blind eye to their complicity. The refusal to accept responsibility for the racism they harbor, the narratives they spread to separate themselves from the issue, and the next round of 'good cops' who will grow up in this environment. Black Lives Matter. Rural communities in Kenosha county are not isolated from the incident of Jacob Blake, they are the foundation of it." |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 26, 2020 22:25:33 GMT
Some how this needs to stop!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 26, 2020 22:34:26 GMT
Rural communities in Kenosha county are not isolated from the incident of Jacob Blake, they are the foundation of it." as someone who grew up in small-town rural northwest Illinois in the 1970s, I totally agree with this. What she wrote is quite eloquent, and unfortunately, quite accurate. Thank you for sharing it. I don't have any words of wisdom about this or how to change it; I'm quite saddened and disgusted by what I see people I thought I knew posting and saying, too. |
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Post by janeliz on Aug 26, 2020 22:34:39 GMT
It’s such an upsetting story. It’s clear to see how Kyle Rittenhouse was radicalized. A love for guns and weapons that started as a child, an obsession with police and “law and order”. It’s awful. He shot people and then was able to leave the area at free will and go home. Jacob Blake was unarmed and was shot 7 times in front of his children. I hate this country sometimes. A lot, lately.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 26, 2020 22:47:28 GMT
It’s such an upsetting story. It’s clear to see how Kyle Rittenhouse was radicalized. A love for guns and weapons that started as a child, an obsession with police and “law and order”. It’s awful. He shot people and then was able to leave the area at free will and go home. Jacob Blake was unarmed and was shot 7 times in front of his children. I hate this country sometimes. A lot, lately. between the police shooting Jacob Blake and Rittenhouse shooting people, a story came up on my newsfeed about (good ole boy) Unmasked Protesters Push Past Police Into Idaho Lawmakers' Session and thought along the same lines. Where's the consequences and outrage with these guys? oh, white/wait |
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Post by mrssmith on Aug 26, 2020 23:00:06 GMT
"White Supremacist Murders 2, Injures 1"
I'm glad he was caught on video and quickly identified. However, I'm sure he'll claim self defense or something. Not optimistic about any justice being done in this case, for those victims or the Blake family.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 26, 2020 23:03:17 GMT
It’s such an upsetting story. It’s clear to see how Kyle Rittenhouse was radicalized. A love for guns and weapons that started as a child, an obsession with police and “law and order”. It’s awful. He shot people and then was able to leave the area at free will and go home. Jacob Blake was unarmed and was shot 7 times in front of his children. I hate this country sometimes. A lot, lately. I’m hating what a clusterfuck our country has turned into. And it’s getting worse. |
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Post by PLurker on Aug 26, 2020 23:27:14 GMT
"White Supremacist Murders 2, Injures 1" I'm glad he was caught on video and quickly identified. However, I'm sure he'll claim self defense or something. Not optimistic about any justice being done in this case, for those victims or the Blake family. one of the parents of my honorary child (friend of real kid, calls me mom) said it "looks like self-defense to me" and my honorary child replied, "yeah I’d probably need to defend myself if I started pointing guns at people" (love a little bit more) |
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 27, 2020 0:30:56 GMT
And they managed to arrest the 17 year old white male, known to be armed and dangerous, without killing him.
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 27, 2020 0:59:55 GMT
I'm so sorry. Just know you aren't alone. I've lost my faith in humanity right now too. It's teachers, an employee at a battered women's shelter, college educated graduates, healthcare workers, successful business owners and the list goes on and on. What's worse, is some of them are my relatives.
People that should know better. People that should understand how to research and figure out what is fact and what is fiction. It's not some white trash stupid hicks that wear MAGA hats. They sadly blend in until they become emboldened because...Trump.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 27, 2020 1:13:09 GMT
And they managed to arrest the 17 year old white male, known to be armed and dangerous, without killing him. without killing him?! hell, they let him walk away, right by them, drive home spend the night at home where the neighboring state/town's police picked him up. There's video of people pointing at him, screaming to the cops he shot people and the kid pointed/hand signaled in the direction of where he shot people and, yeah, walked off unobstructed. When I saw his signaling, it seemed to me like he held up "3" and gestured in the direction of where he shot. I was shocked thinking did he just tell the cops where he shot people like he was part of them? Like "3 down, that way" was the impression I got. Before, earlier in the night, the group Rittenhouse was with was hanging around the cops, the cops shared water with them and you can hear the cops say (over speaker or whatever) "we really appreciate you guys". You guys being gun toting (thought to be) self-proclaimed militia. The kid is 17 and doesn't even look like an older 17 and yet there he was smoozing with the police strapped with a assault style weapon. No questions asked. (also on video) |
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Post by PLurker on Aug 27, 2020 1:24:23 GMT
further proof that tucker carlson is trash
further down in the comments it shows the shooter front row at a trump rally. surprise
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Post by maryland on Aug 27, 2020 1:26:59 GMT
My faith in humanity has gotten worse by the day since Nov. 2016.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 27, 2020 1:47:10 GMT
Comments on Twitter are horrid.
Saying the people (victims) deserved it.
Oh my god I fucking hate these conservative/republican trash assholes posting this shit. Fuckers.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 27, 2020 1:58:11 GMT
Comments on Twitter are horrid. Saying the people (victims) deserved it. Oh my god I fucking hate these conservative/republican trash assholes posting this shit. Fuckers. like the original thought of this post, it's even more horrid when you know them by name. and one that was upset about rioting couldn't understand how I could be upset about both but think people over property, it I had to choose. I was literally agreeing with their "it's awful" but because I also think the Blake shooting was unjustified, they couldn't grasp it that I could hold both points of view. Dude, I agree with you about the rioting but also think the police shooting wasn't justified. But, but, but... (argues more about burning down the city) and around we go. if I hadn't got off the merry go round. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 27, 2020 2:34:54 GMT
Comments on Twitter are horrid. Saying the people (victims) deserved it. Oh my god I fucking hate these conservative/republican trash assholes posting this shit. Fuckers. like the original thought of this post, it's even more horrid when you know them by name. and one that was upset about rioting couldn't understand how I could be upset about both but think people over property, it I had to choose. I was literally agreeing with their "it's awful" but because I also think the Blake shooting was unjustified, they couldn't grasp it that I could hold both points of view. Dude, I agree with you about the rioting but also think the police shooting wasn't justified. But, but, but... (argues more about burning down the city) and around we go. if I hadn't got off the merry go round. Death should never be the penalty for protesting or looting. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 27, 2020 2:36:04 GMT
And this is why shit like this will never ever stop...
Missouri lawmakers pass bill making it legal to give guns to kids without parents' permission
The GOP-controlled Missouri House on Tuesday advanced a bill that would make it legal to give guns to children without their parents’ permission.
The bill comes after Gov. Mike Parson (R) called lawmakers back for a special summer session on crime and asked the legislature to penalize criminals who unlawfully use firearms, then pass them off on children to avoid detection.
The legislation is the exact opposite of what Parson called for, according to The Associated Press.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 27, 2020 3:13:22 GMT
I hear you. We are still dealing with George Floyd murder and protests. The stuff I see on Facebook is truly jaw dropping, and then comparing the murder of the young white boy by the black neighbor. Ooh! And then you get all the great. Floyd didn’t die because of the police. He od’d. It’s just crazy ass stuff. And we haven’t even gotten to the trial yet.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 27, 2020 3:30:05 GMT
And now we have rioters here tonight in mpls. There was a shooting where after a homicide a suspect took off resulting in a chase and the suspect committed suicide. Not a police shooting, but the rioters are taking it like that.
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Post by Olan on Aug 27, 2020 11:00:50 GMT
Please consider how Black people might be feeling if you are reeling and have lost faith in humanity. Check on your friends.
An ask:
If society can’t figure out a solve by which Black people can exist without fear, does society even deserve a society. I don’t have a crystal ball though I’m sure I’m not the only Black person okay with EVERYTHING burning to the ground if it meant defunding the police
What was your response in the 2016 thread how does it differ today.
I bumped the thread
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Post by mikklynn on Aug 27, 2020 11:34:40 GMT
And they managed to arrest the 17 year old white male, known to be armed and dangerous, without killing him. without killing him?! hell, they let him walk away, right by them, drive home spend the night at home where the neighboring state/town's police picked him up. There's video of people pointing at him, screaming to the cops he shot people and the kid pointed/hand signaled in the direction of where he shot people and, yeah, walked off unobstructed. When I saw his signaling, it seemed to me like he held up "3" and gestured in the direction of where he shot. I was shocked thinking did he just tell the cops where he shot people like he was part of them? Like "3 down, that way" was the impression I got. Before, earlier in the night, the group Rittenhouse was with was hanging around the cops, the cops shared water with them and you can hear the cops say (over speaker or whatever) "we really appreciate you guys". You guys being gun toting (thought to be) self-proclaimed militia. The kid is 17 and doesn't even look like an older 17 and yet there he was smoozing with the police strapped with a assault style weapon. No questions asked. (also on video) I did not see that. Unbelievable. |
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Post by smasonnc on Aug 27, 2020 11:40:44 GMT
Bless you for saying what I, and apparently a lot of other people are thinking. Your post and the one you quoted convey most eloquently the sense of frustration that we feel looking at current events and our friends’ responses to them.
I’d also like to know how that little $#*t could be prancing around willy-wagging his rifle at 17. If he was carrying a beer he’d have been stopped by police but a rifle is fine. What kind of parents must he have? The biggest question people asked when I lived overseas is, “What’s up with the guns?” This just takes it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 27, 2020 11:41:48 GMT
I watched a video of the 17 year old falling down, then getting up and shooting others.
The comments in the video were all disgusting—saying that the murdered people deserved it.
This country is going to shit with people that have this attitude.
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Post by PLurker on Aug 27, 2020 15:56:25 GMT
ETA as refugeepea uncovered these court records are most likely or someone else by the same name. See her post below. I just read (elsewhere) that Rittenhouse's mother drove him to Kenosha. with his rifle, to do his thing. Holy hell, can't imagine. Then found this Instagram (consider the source) that suggests we he had run ins with the law himself. One being drunk use of a firearm. Poster suggests that since that's what we do with black victims,(exam their background for justification) we should do it with the shooter too. Can't say I disagree. http://instagram.com/p/CEZBZXPhr5D |
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Post by Olan on Aug 27, 2020 16:02:50 GMT
I read the bit about his mother also. I’m hoping it’s not true. It’s already surreal that he was allowed to just walk away.
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I see similar comments, but of course it is closer to home for you. Last night I actually saw someone say that they think people put themselves in a position to get shot in order to get fame and attention. WTF? ?How much sense does that make?
