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Post by katlady on Aug 31, 2020 18:52:06 GMT
News is that they may rush the process to get a Covid vaccine on the market. They would skip a testing phase. Would that affect your decision to get the vaccine as soon as it is available?
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 31, 2020 18:58:28 GMT
I am really troubled by what this administration has done to science.
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Post by coloradocropper on Aug 31, 2020 19:10:28 GMT
I am really troubled by what this administration has done to science. ditto....I won't under his administration. He's proven that he can't be trusted.
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Post by maryland on Aug 31, 2020 19:13:20 GMT
I am really troubled by what this administration has done to science. ditto....I won't under his administration. He's proven that he can't be trusted. Me either! I don't trust anything he is trying to do.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 31, 2020 19:16:51 GMT
I would wait until (hopefully) the Biden Administration had restored order and process and science.
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Post by tallgirl on Aug 31, 2020 19:25:04 GMT
I thought several vaccines are already in the final testing phase?
I'm in Canada and I'll get it as soon as Health Canada recommends it.
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Post by grammadee on Aug 31, 2020 19:28:41 GMT
I thought several vaccines are already in the final testing phase? I'm in Canada and I'll get it as soon as Health Canada recommends it. Me too.
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Post by pilcas on Aug 31, 2020 19:34:34 GMT
If I lived in Canada I would get it. However we have a president who will approve anything, preferably before the November elections just so that he can boast of having created the vaccine himself. If it is unsafe and people’s health is affected? He couldn’t care less.
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Post by rickmer on Aug 31, 2020 19:39:45 GMT
my understanding is by "rushing" the vaccine in the states that meant ordering vaccines that look promising into production even though the testing isn't completed yet. the bill for this was being paid by the government for selected pharmaceutical companies that looked like they had promising options after initial testing.
that way, once testing HAS been completing, that production for "the one" will have already been done and it will be ready to start sending out and administering immediately once it has the green light in an attempt to avoid additional production and logistics delays.
i thought the standard and accepted testing procedures would still be in place and observed... but i am by no means a subject matter expert, just listened to a podcast about it recently on the daily (the nyt podcast).
(as a canadian, i will get it when recommended by health canada - i assume others with compromised immune systems, asthma, etc. will come before me)
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Post by katlady on Aug 31, 2020 19:47:16 GMT
my understanding is by "rushing" the vaccine in the states that meant ordering vaccines that look promising into production even though the testing isn't completed yet. the bill for this was being paid by the government for selected pharmaceutical companies that looked like they had promising options after initial testing. that way, once testing HAS been completing, that production for "the one" will have already been done and it will be ready to start sending out and administering immediately once it has the green light in an attempt to avoid additional production and logistics delays. i thought the standard and accepted testing procedures would still be in place and observed... but i am by no means a subject matter expert, just listened to a podcast about it recently on the daily (the nyt podcast). (as a canadian, i will get it when recommended by health canada - i assume others with compromised immune systems, asthma, etc. will come before me) In the US, Phase 3 of the testing is the longest phase. This is where they administer the drug and placebo and observe the effect for many months, sometimes up to a year. This is the phase they want to eliminate/shorten so they can get the vaccine on the market sooner. Yes, Companies are already making the vaccine so that when they are given the green light, they can dispense it. Russia is administering their vaccine before finishing Phase 3, which is what is probably pushing Trump to get our vaccine administered.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 31, 2020 19:56:06 GMT
Just remember...average joe will not be first to get it. First responders/front line workers will be along with the elderly. I will not get it until my niece says it's safe. She a pharmaceutical scientist at UNC Chapel Hill working on her PhD...studying Pharmacoengineering and Molecular Pharmaceutics
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Post by Linda on Aug 31, 2020 20:04:01 GMT
I was never going to jump to be the first to get it - even less so now. I will get it once it's shown to be safe and effective
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 31, 2020 20:10:42 GMT
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Post by sam9 on Aug 31, 2020 20:14:37 GMT
As soon as it is approved and available to me in Canada I will get one. Canada has already contracted to buy the American vaccines that are closest to approval (and not the British one), but I’m sure it will be a very long while until sufficient doses are available to anyone who wants one. One thing I’ve read is that, depending on the makeup of the final vaccines, seniors may not be as close to the front of the line as many would think. It may be judged to be less effective for them (with their aging immune systems/responses). I think it will be an interesting dilemma for every country to decide on prioritization of doses.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 31, 2020 20:20:30 GMT
i read somewhere that it takes the FDA something like 10 years to approve a new ingredient to sunscreens. just one ingredient, not the whole formula. this vaccine is not topical. it is injected into our system. i would be more than a little suspicious of one that was rushed and released before the results of usual human trials were released. i'd be terrified if the FDA was able to be strong armed for political reasons. some institutions, like the post office, the FDA, the CDC should remain far from the reach of political strong arm and influence.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Aug 31, 2020 20:51:52 GMT
I was in the “I’ll get it the second it’s offered” camp, until recently. I just don’t trust this administration and don’t trust they won’t take unsafe shortcuts.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Aug 31, 2020 20:56:36 GMT
i read somewhere that it takes the FDA something like 10 years to approve a new ingredient to sunscreens. just one ingredient, not the whole formula. this vaccine is not topical. it is injected into our system. i would be more than a little suspicious of one that was rushed and released before the results of usual human trials were released. i'd be terrified if the FDA was able to be strong armed for political reasons. some institutions, like the post office, the FDA, the CDC should remain far from the reach of political strong arm and influence. There's actually a long convoluted history on sunscreens and the FDA-I only know about it as a friend used to work in the industry. In a nutshell there are a few new compounds used in other countries that have not been approved by the FDA and the manufacturers don't actually want to go through clinical trials to provide the data the FDA has asked for and instead rely on their use in other countries. It's basically a standoff rather than a decade long process. you can read more about it here: cen.acs.org/articles/93/i20/Decade-FDA-Still-Wont-Allow.htmlI don't disagree that the FDA should not be politicized.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 31, 2020 20:59:06 GMT
i read somewhere that it takes the FDA something like 10 years to approve a new ingredient to sunscreens. just one ingredient, not the whole formula. this vaccine is not topical. it is injected into our system. i would be more than a little suspicious of one that was rushed and released before the results of usual human trials were released. i'd be terrified if the FDA was able to be strong armed for political reasons. some institutions, like the post office, the FDA, the CDC should remain far from the reach of political strong arm and influence. There's actually a long convoluted history on sunscreens and the FDA-I only know about it as a friend used to work in the industry. In a nutshell there are a few new compounds used in other countries that have not been approved by the FDA and the manufacturers don't actually want to go through clinical trials to provide the data the FDA has asked for and instead rely on their use in other countries. It's basically a standoff rather than a decade long process. you can read more about it here: cen.acs.org/articles/93/i20/Decade-FDA-Still-Wont-Allow.htmlI don't disagree that the FDA should not be politicized. thanks for the clarification on the sunscreen! too bad about the stand off. i use sunscreens from Japan and i like it so much more than the ones readily available here.
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Post by sassyangel on Aug 31, 2020 21:08:21 GMT
No, I will not IF I feel it’s a vaccine released by the FDA solely for political gain. I am increasingly concerned about this, unfortunately.
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Post by Really Red on Aug 31, 2020 21:14:07 GMT
The US does more testing on any drug than any other country, I believe. That said, I think it's a good idea to do that much.
I want the vaccine and think it's important that we speed things up more than perhaps normal, but not to a dangerous level or to a level where scientists (not drug companies) are not comfortable.
I, too, trust absolutely nothing in this administration.
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Post by Zee on Aug 31, 2020 21:55:28 GMT
I don't want to rush to get a new vaccine with no track record. If I'm forced to get it, I guess I'll be a guinea pig. I haven't gotten the virus yet despite all this exposure so I'm not particularly worried about it.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 31, 2020 22:04:23 GMT
It depends on whose vaccine it is, where it was developed and who else approves it.
If it’s the Oxford vaccine and the UK and it EU has also approved it I might take my chances with it.
If it’s some unknown vaccine pushed thru the FDA by Trump for financial gain of himself and his cronies I’m likely going to wait to see what happens.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 31, 2020 22:08:31 GMT
I understand the rush but it seems like cutting steps may not be safe. I’m not in a huge hurry at this point until I feel it is safe. I don’t trust Trump and his motivations. When I saw that they may release it before phase three was complete I instantly thought of Russia. I’m hoping we have a safe one within a year though.
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Post by scorpeao on Aug 31, 2020 22:10:42 GMT
I will get the vaccine after they've injected enough people...I have no idea what enough people are, but I don't see myself getting one before this time next year. Especially when it's someone like Trump pushing them to rush it. He doesn't give a shit if it kills or maims people.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 31, 2020 22:11:20 GMT
I understand the rush but it seems like cutting steps may not be safe. I’m not in a huge hurry at this point until I feel it is safe. I don’t trust Trump and his motivations. When I saw that they may release it before phase three was complete I instantly thought of Russia. I’m hoping we have a safe one within a year though. ETA: I would be more likely to trust the one from Oxford than what we are doing right now. I just feel like it’s being rushed more for his bragging rights or for some monetary gain vs for trying to save lives. I understand everyone is trying to create it as soon as possible but it just seems Trump sees it more as a way to gain something vs helping people.
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Post by scrapngranny on Aug 31, 2020 22:12:29 GMT
I will not consist getting the vaccine until a reputable source gives their seal of approval. By reputable I mean a source not affiliated with Trump or anyone friend the current White House.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 22:32:49 GMT
Knowing that they're willing to skip testing worries me.
I get shorter testing times or less people or even less peer review, but skipping? That instills less confidence.
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Post by mom on Aug 31, 2020 22:34:15 GMT
Honestly? I probably would get it. 🤷♀️
My blood condition makes it to where I get blood clots anyway and with Covid, many people are dying from clots. I would put off getting it as long as possible, but I am terrified of having another stroke or dying.
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Post by casii on Aug 31, 2020 22:49:58 GMT
If it has the Trump stamp of approval and miraculously arrives before November 3rd, I would greet it with the skepticism it deserves.
In the long run, it's been suggested that there won't be a long term vaccine so much as a yearly or biannual booster shot. It will be something we schedule as we do our flu shots. It needs robust testing to determine both safety and efficacy. Plus covid may mutate making it a necessity to adjust the shot with the seasons. What a godawful mess.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 31, 2020 23:02:29 GMT
I am really troubled by what this administration has done to science. ditto....I won't under his administration. He's proven that he can't be trusted. I will definitely get it, but I don’t trust any vaccine that would be available while Trump is President. They are rushing companies to get a vaccine quickly, and I suspect that there will be shortcuts.
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