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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 20, 2020 21:13:38 GMT
Hmmmm, “directly.” People had to walk around them. I guess that might intimidate some folks. They had a right to make a nuisance of themselves, but likely did not sway anyone to their side. I wonder how many four letter words flew out of the mouths of people trying to vote? Pretty rich that pixchixGIA is telling others what they see and what they don’t.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 20, 2020 21:22:28 GMT
If they’re providing escorts, bringing in extra security and moving the line, I think that tells you everything you need to know. Looking at that video of the line of supporters waving flags, I would not want to have to walk past them or around them. Nor should any voter have to navigate through or around them.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 20, 2020 21:25:17 GMT
If you're after fact Gia then have a look at this twitter feed by Anthony Tilghman, they certainly look as if they are blocking the road to me. That isn't the only video - he's covered it all right up to the point of the campaigners being moved by extra security that they had to draft in Just to add he is actually quite ligit - he's an award winning filmmaker so not just an ordinary Jo Bloggs with a phone!
twitter.com/i/status/1307360544559706113I did that hours ago and there is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people. They were peacefully chanting. LAST try here, You do not understand that they voters are walking up the hill on a path from the parking lot to go into the building to VOTE. The protesters/supporters/whatever you want to call them, are blocking the voters' way! Well I guess Axios was not there when the supports were blocking the voters on the path!! Period, end of story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 20, 2020 22:46:56 GMT
Not only were the blocking and intimidating voters, Don the con trump told them yo to it—
“Donald Trump supporters sparked fears of voter intimidation after they protested outside a polling station in Virginia as early voting took place this weekend. Demonstrators were seen outside the Fairfax County Government Center on Saturday as the second day of early voting took place in Fairfax, Virginia.
At least two dozen supporters of the US president held “Trump - Pence” placards and waved American flags, about 100 feet from the entrance to the polling location.
The group chanted “four more years”, The New York Times reported, as voters entered a polling location that, at one point, appeared to be blocked from voters.
Voters were said to have been forced to walk around outside the centre, in order to enter, after the protesters formed a line near the entrance.
It comes within two weeks of president Trump telling his supporters to act as “poll watchers” for November’s presidential election, whilst falsely claiming that polling stations were places of fraud.
"Gotta be careful with those ballots. Watch those ballots. I don't like it,” the president said at an event in North Carolina this month. “You know, you have a Democrat governor, you have all these Democrats watching that stuff. I don't like it," Telling his supporters to "watch it," he told a crowd: "Be poll watchers when you go there. Watch all the thieving and stealing and robbing they do. Because this is important.”
Election officials in Fairfax acknowledged that some voters and polling staff felt intimidated by the small protest, which required an indoor waiting area to be set-up to stop protesters harassing voters.
“Citizens coming into and leaving the building did have to go by them,” Gary Scott, the general registrar of Fairfax County, said in a statement to the NYT, whilst adding that the president’s supporters did not directly block the entrance.
“Those voters who were in line outside of the building were moved inside and we continued operations. Some voters, and elections staff, did feel intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group,” he added. “One of the escorts was the county executive.”
The US president, who trails his Democratic opponent Joe Biden in national polls, has spent months delegitimizing both mail-in ballots and in-person voting, as he claims in-advance that November’s election outcome will be “fraudulent”. There is no basis in his claims.”
The Independent
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 21, 2020 2:37:19 GMT
She is the very definition of someone who can not see the forest for the trees. Someone says "supporters were "blocking" and intimidating voters". She takes the word "blocking" and argues that unless the supporters are chained to the door and physically stopping voters from coming in, then it's not "blocking"
She can't or won't see that this " Election officials in Fairfax acknowledged that some voters and polling staff felt intimidated by the small protest, which required an indoor waiting area to be set-up to stop protesters harassing voters." could "block" someone from voting. Or having to walk around protesters means they were "blocked" from the walkway.
People should not have to run a gauntlet to vote.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 21, 2020 3:27:56 GMT
She is the very definition of someone who can not see the forest for the trees. Someone says "supporters were "blocking" and intimidating voters". She takes the word "blocking" and argues that unless the supporters are chained to the door and physically stopping voters from coming in, then it's not "blocking" She can't or won't see that this " Election officials in Fairfax acknowledged that some voters and polling staff felt intimidated by the small protest, which required an indoor waiting area to be set-up to stop protesters harassing voters." could "block" someone from voting. Or having to walk around protesters means they were "blocked" from the walkway. People should not have to run a gauntlet to vote. It’s typical Gia speak, always wordplay, semantics, Uber literal out of context.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 22, 2020 23:39:39 GMT
Such patriots. I am disgusted that they have co-opted the American flag as their symbol. You weren't using it so we figured we would. I thought about this for a couple of days before posting. Your post about not using the flag comes across as offensive and obnoxious. For starters, the flag belongs to all Americans, regardless of their political views. During both the Bush and Obama presidencies, there was a lot more patriotism and it was more common to see flags. My family is currently not flying a flag. Right now, I am not proud to be an American, I am ashamed of the president. I am embarrassed for the way that he treats other world leaders. He is a despicable person.
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Post by sunshine on Sept 22, 2020 23:54:55 GMT
You weren't using it so we figured we would. I thought about this for a couple of days before posting. Your post about not using the flag comes across as offensive and obnoxious. For starters, the flag belongs to all Americans, regardless of their political views. During both the Bush and Obama presidencies, there was a lot more patriotism and it was more common to see flags. My family is currently not flying a flag. Right now, I am not proud to be an American, I am ashamed of the president. I am embarrassed for the way that he treats other world leaders. He is a despicable person. In other words, bonanza's statement is accurate (at least for you).
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 23, 2020 0:41:01 GMT
I thought about this for a couple of days before posting. Your post about not using the flag comes across as offensive and obnoxious. For starters, the flag belongs to all Americans, regardless of their political views. During both the Bush and Obama presidencies, there was a lot more patriotism and it was more common to see flags. My family is currently not flying a flag. Right now, I am not proud to be an American, I am ashamed of the president. I am embarrassed for the way that he treats other world leaders. He is a despicable person. In other words, bonanza's statement is accurate (at least for you). The accuracy of the statement is not my problem, it’s the sentiment behind it. The American flag belongs to all of us, regardless of political views. Nothing that Democrats did or didn’t do gives Trump supporters the right to co-opt the flag for their purposes. This kind of thinking, not surprisingly, is very much in line with the press secretary’s recent statement that things are peaceful in Trump’s America. Or, if you take out the blue states, the covid statistics aren’t so bad. This divisiveness is reprehensible and inexcusable.
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Post by lauradrumm on Sept 23, 2020 0:49:28 GMT
If this doesn’t prove Trumpsters are bullies...smh
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Post by pierogi on Sept 23, 2020 15:33:22 GMT
If this doesn’t prove Trumpsters are bullies...smh I've always been amazed at the Trumpsters' attempts to bully and terrorize others while in the same breath claim eternal victimhood.
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Post by elaine on Sept 23, 2020 19:03:04 GMT
So, dh and I just got back from waiting 2 hours in line to vote at the Fairfax County Govt Center. And the line was just as long when we left as when we joined it. Great voter turnout!
Everyone in line, working security, election workers, people who work in other offices in the Government Center were wearing masks. They had social distancing circles on the ground for the whole length of the snaking line, and people abided by it.
When we got up to the infamous plaza, there was a Democratic tent on the right and a Republican tent on the right. The workers in the Republican tent were the only people I saw today NOT WEARING MASKS. And the women who apparently was the head of the tent, walked the line, up and down, campaigning for one of the issues NOT WEARING HER MASK. So, talking very loudly - projecting - at people who all chose to wear their masks. F’ing irresponsible idiot. And no, she wasn’t disabled. She was walking up and down the loooong line in 80 degree weather wearing heels and campaigning loudly.
I am very lucky to live in Fairfax Co, because people here follow the mask mandates. It is as safe as can be to go to grocery stores because patrons follow the governor’s mandate that masks must be worn in indoor public shopping places. Everyone today chose to wear masks in line, even though 100 minutes of it was outdoors. Everyone except for the Republican campaigners who apparently believe that masks - and not wearing them - is a political statement.
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 23, 2020 19:39:02 GMT
So, dh and I just got back from waiting 2 hours in line to vote at the Fairfax County Govt Center. And the line was just as long when we left as when we joined it. Great voter turnout! Everyone in line, working security, election workers, people who work in other offices in the Government Center were wearing masks. They had social distancing circles on the ground for the whole length of the snaking line, and people abided by it. When we got up to the infamous plaza, there was a Democratic tent on the right and a Republican tent on the right. The workers in the Republican tent were the only people I saw today NOT WEARING MASKS. And the women who apparently was the head of the tent, walked the line, up and down, campaigning for one of the issues NOT WEARING HER MASK. So, talking very loudly - projecting - at people who all chose to wear their masks. F’ing irresponsible idiot. And no, she wasn’t disabled. She was walking up and down the loooong line in 80 degree weather wearing heels and campaigning loudly. I am very lucky to live in Fairfax Co, because people here follow the mask mandates. It is as safe as can be to go to grocery stores because patrons follow the governor’s mandate that masks must be worn in indoor public shopping places. Everyone today chose to wear masks in line, even though 100 minutes of it was outdoors. Everyone except for the Republican campaigners who apparently believe that masks - and not wearing them - is a political statement. How close to the voting place was she campaigning? Are there laws about that in your state? ETA: found this online: Campaigning For/Against a Candidate or Ballot Issue Also called electioneering, this practice includes handing out fliers, holding signs and encouraging voters to support or oppose a candidate or ballot question. Washington, D.C.: It is illegal to display campaign materials within 50 feet of any polling location. It is also advised to remove any campaign buttons, T‐shirts or similar items before arriving. Maryland: Any electioneering must stay outside of designated boundaries, which can be up to 100 feet from the polling place entrance used by most voters. There should be signs reading "No Electioneering Beyond this Point" to mark the border. Virginia: Electioneering is not allowed within the polling place the "prohibited area" 40 feet from any entrance to a building which houses a polling place. No one is allowed to wear campaign apparel, hand out campaign literature or encourage election or defeat of any candidate or issue on the ballot.
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Post by elaine on Sept 23, 2020 19:45:38 GMT
So, dh and I just got back from waiting 2 hours in line to vote at the Fairfax County Govt Center. And the line was just as long when we left as when we joined it. Great voter turnout! Everyone in line, working security, election workers, people who work in other offices in the Government Center were wearing masks. They had social distancing circles on the ground for the whole length of the snaking line, and people abided by it. When we got up to the infamous plaza, there was a Democratic tent on the right and a Republican tent on the right. The workers in the Republican tent were the only people I saw today NOT WEARING MASKS. And the women who apparently was the head of the tent, walked the line, up and down, campaigning for one of the issues NOT WEARING HER MASK. So, talking very loudly - projecting - at people who all chose to wear their masks. F’ing irresponsible idiot. And no, she wasn’t disabled. She was walking up and down the loooong line in 80 degree weather wearing heels and campaigning loudly. I am very lucky to live in Fairfax Co, because people here follow the mask mandates. It is as safe as can be to go to grocery stores because patrons follow the governor’s mandate that masks must be worn in indoor public shopping places. Everyone today chose to wear masks in line, even though 100 minutes of it was outdoors. Everyone except for the Republican campaigners who apparently believe that masks - and not wearing them - is a political statement. How close to the voting place was she campaigning? Are there laws about that in your state? The tents - both parties had one - were set up far enough from the entrance to the building to be legal. It is an interesting set up - our Govt. Center has a front plaza area that prevents cars from coming close to the entrance for security reasons. The campaign tents were set up at the edges of the plaza. The line was very very long - it was a 2 hour wait to vote, with only 20 minutes of it inside the building. Everyone was spaced 6 feet apart, so it snaked around. My main issue was campaigning-GOP-lady walking up and down projecting/shouting at people with her unmasked spit-laden mouth.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 24, 2020 0:32:50 GMT
The police were called because the anti-Trump people wanted to use this opportunity smear the Trump supporters so they claimed they "FELT" intimidated IMO spurred on by the lone tweeter. My opinion is based on this "While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBCNothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. "At no point do I think it was meant to, nor did it, intimidate voters. We wanted to take it to the parking lot and let people know that President Trump is a great candidate for them to vote for." Sean Rastatter with the Fairfax County GOP These people were trying to get people to vote for Trump, not scare people. I know I won't convince anyone who has already made up their mind, but I just wanted to provide new facts to anyone who might be open to hearing them.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2020 0:39:58 GMT
The police were called because the anti-Trump people wanted to use this opportunity smear the Trump supporters so they claimed they "FELT" intimidated IMO spurred on by the lone tweeter. My opinion is based on this "While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBCNothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. "At no point do I think it was meant to, nor did it, intimidate voters. We wanted to take it to the parking lot and let people know that President Trump is a great candidate for them to vote for." Sean Rastatter with the Fairfax County GOP These people were trying to get people to vote for Trump, not scare people. I know I won't convince anyone who has already made up their mind, but I just wanted to provide new facts to anyone who might be open to hearing them. Never mind the FIRST HAND ACCOUNTS of the people who stated that they felt intimidated and that the trumpers made them feel that way. Typical Gia—always trying to spin.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 24, 2020 0:40:10 GMT
The police were called because the anti-Trump people wanted to use this opportunity smear the Trump supporters so they claimed they "FELT" intimidated IMO spurred on by the lone tweeter. My opinion is based on this "While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBCNothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. "At no point do I think it was meant to, nor did it, intimidate voters. We wanted to take it to the parking lot and let people know that President Trump is a great candidate for them to vote for." Sean Rastatter with the Fairfax County GOP These people were trying to get people to vote for Trump, not scare people. I know I won't convince anyone who has already made up their mind, but I just wanted to provide new facts to anyone who might be open to hearing them. Go back and read the posts. No one said they physically blocked the doors. They did block the path from the parking lot to the building. Voters should not have to navigate around them. It doesn’t matter if you think they’re intimidating. People who were there to vote thought they were intimidating, that’s all that matters. I disagree with you on their intentions. I definitely think it was their goal to intimidate voters, but of course they’re not going to admit that.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 24, 2020 3:35:33 GMT
The article you posted with video about 1:37 SHOWS the pathway that was OCCUPIED by voters when the trump supporters pulled in. THAT is the pathway that they blocked which shows on the videos that were posted the other day! You cannot see the voters on the path because they were a bit lower behind where the supporters where standing BLOCKING the path!! I guess you truly are dense unable to comprehend a simple concept!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 24, 2020 3:56:47 GMT
You weren't using it so we figured we would. I thought about this for a couple of days before posting. Your post about not using the flag comes across as offensive and obnoxious. For starters, the flag belongs to all Americans, regardless of their political views. During both the Bush and Obama presidencies, there was a lot more patriotism and it was more common to see flags. My family is currently not flying a flag. Right now, I am not proud to be an American, I am ashamed of the president. I am embarrassed for the way that he treats other world leaders. He is a despicable person. I was talking to a friend about patriotism and being a "patriot" in the sense that Trump uses it. It seems to me that his supporters are patriots to him, but not necessarily patriots to the country. I think that is why it bothers me that they have seemed to claim the flag as theirs/Trumps.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 24, 2020 6:32:19 GMT
I thought about this for a couple of days before posting. Your post about not using the flag comes across as offensive and obnoxious. For starters, the flag belongs to all Americans, regardless of their political views. During both the Bush and Obama presidencies, there was a lot more patriotism and it was more common to see flags. My family is currently not flying a flag. Right now, I am not proud to be an American, I am ashamed of the president. I am embarrassed for the way that he treats other world leaders. He is a despicable person. I was talking to a friend about patriotism and being a "patriot" in the sense that Trump uses it. It seems to me that his supporters are patriots to him, but not necessarily patriots to the country. I think that is why it bothers me that they have seemed to claim the flag as theirs/Trumps. What is positively ironic, hypocritical at the same time is that these same people will stomp all over the Constitution if it doesn’t benefit themselves, they’ll vote for an idiotic moron because they have such blind loyalty to him and not the USA. They think he’s like them—and he’s a failed businessman, a serial rapist sexual predator, racist, an epic liar, a draft dodger, a misogynistic, xenophobic gaslighting dumb fuck. He has no idea what the Constitution says, does not uphold it, Rips off taxpayers, ignores and violated the law, has invited and welcomed foreign intrusion our elections. So if he’s like them as they say, they must ge those things too.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 24, 2020 12:27:55 GMT
You weren't using [the U.S. flag] so we figured we would. I actually stopped breathing when I read this response. I don’t know if it was directed at iamkristinl16 personally, or to liberal members here, or to half the country. Regardless, it was a gut punch of presumption and smugness and derision. “We?” You and your fellow ideologues? You do not own this country. Donald Trump is not the president of only certain people or certain states. This is not a private club where you lay claim to the clubhouse and hammer little “Keep Out, ______” signs on the door, but fly an American flag that you get to imbue with your own limited symbolism. When the hell did this happen? (No, this is not all about a rectangle of fabric. Save your pithy rejoinders and your cockeyed patriotism and own what you said and meant .)
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 24, 2020 13:09:40 GMT
You weren't using [the U.S. flag] so we figured we would. I actually stopped breathing when I read this response. I don’t know if it was directed at iamkristinl16 personally, or to liberal members here, or to half the country. Regardless, I’ve read a boatload of political crap on this forum over the years and this one was a gut punch of presumption and smugness and derision. “We?” You and your fellow ideologues? You do not own this country. Donald Trump is not the president of only certain people or certain states. This is not a private club where you lay claim to the clubhouse and hammer little “Keep Out, ______” signs on the door, but fly an American flag that you get to imbue with your own limited symbolism. When the hell did this happen? (No, this is not all about a rectangle of fabric. Save your pithy rejoinders and your cockeyed patriotism and own what you said and meant .)👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 So much this. I am so tired of many in the conservative crowd co-opting the word “patriot” and referring to themselves as “the taxpaying public” as if they and they alone work and pay taxes. I read conservative blogs and make an effort to listen to some RW talk shows and this is a very common attitude. It is false and it is insulting.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 24, 2020 13:22:07 GMT
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 So much this. I am so tired of many in the conservative crowd co-opting the word “patriot” and referring to themselves as “the taxpaying public” as if they and they alone work and pay taxes. I read conservative blogs and make an effort to listen to some RW talk shows and this is a very common attitude. It is false and it is insulting. Exactly. It’s similar to when an Evangelical Christian asks a mainline Protestant or Catholic if they’re “Christian,” but we all know what they mean. Then you get caught in the “Do you still beat your wife?” semantic quagmire. It’s not just a flag being co-opted here. Patriot. Patriotism. American. Citizen. Taxpayer. Family values. It’s all being co-opted. Narrowed. The result is exclusion and it’s getting downright scary. [And yes, there is an unfortunate tie-in with (much of) Christian Evangelicalism here. When this era of American history is written, it’ll start with the politicization of Evangelical Christianity in the 1980s.]
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Post by lbrock44 on Sept 24, 2020 13:59:33 GMT
It showed them farther away at the start. When they were moved, it was closer to the building/doors. WHY is it so DIFFICULT for you to understand the trump people were BLOCKING the voters in line direct access to the building!! You really cannot be that dense!!! Oh, I think she can. 😳
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 25, 2020 21:46:37 GMT
It’s not just a flag being co-opted here. Patriot. Patriotism. American. Citizen. Taxpayer. Family values. It’s all being co-opted. Narrowed. The result is exclusion and it’s getting downright scary. I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 25, 2020 22:10:13 GMT
It’s not just a flag being co-opted here. Patriot. Patriotism. American. Citizen. Taxpayer. Family values. It’s all being co-opted. Narrowed. The result is exclusion and it’s getting downright scary. I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. You got trump sending federal forces to do just the thing you say you abhorr. He is terrorizing Americans. On purpose. Trump, his press sec, his sycophants all put out false narratives every day. Outright lies. Daily, Republicans REFUSE to even discuss sensible gun control, and children are being assaulted in what used to be a safe place. Trump ruins people weekly, lies about them, degenerates them, lists to all sorts of social media about them (lies), and bullies them. Black men and other indigenous people are being killed for no reason, by police who are not held accountable.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 25, 2020 22:33:57 GMT
Children are being assaulted and shot in schools, places that should be safe. Other countries like the UK and New Zealand passed strict gun control laws after just 1 incident. This April and May were the first months in a long time without any school shootings because the schools were closed. The NRA and Republicans are responsible for the failure to pass common sense gun safety laws. For students today, some of the most significant milestones in their lifetimes are school shooting. Trying to find the more recent study, but this is interesting to see the differences in perspective across generations. www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/12/15/americans-name-the-10-most-significant-historic-events-of-their-lifetimes/
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2020 22:36:18 GMT
The police were called because the anti-Trump people wanted to use this opportunity smear the Trump supporters so they claimed they "FELT" intimidated IMO spurred on by the lone tweeter. My opinion is based on this "While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBCNothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. "At no point do I think it was meant to, nor did it, intimidate voters. We wanted to take it to the parking lot and let people know that President Trump is a great candidate for them to vote for." Sean Rastatter with the Fairfax County GOP These people were trying to get people to vote for Trump, not scare people. I know I won't convince anyone who has already made up their mind, but I just wanted to provide new facts to anyone who might be open to hearing them. You’re quoting the Fairfax County GOP as a reference as to whether these ass bites from the Fairfax County GOP were deliberately trying to intimidate voters or not? That’s a good one. I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. If I understand this correctly, you are cherry-picking criminal behavior by people you are characterizing as Democratic voters to weaponize against all non-Trump voters. Please explain which mainstream non-Trump voters have assaulted children, ruined people, burned people’s houses down, terrorized the population, or hunted police and Trump supporters and shot them point-blank. Those are not my people, not anyone I would vote for, support, or even associate with. Why are you trying to hang Democrats with the actions of fringe-y, violent revolutionaries? You don’t want to be associated with white supremacists (one of whom, btw, is who hunted down and killed a couple of law enforcement officers in my neck of the woods ... not any wild-eyed liberal). Can you answer why you think it’s okay to lump together every Biden voter with a few left-wing criminals? Where were you when armed militia men invaded the Michigan statehouse and got right up in the state troopers’ faces with their guns and threats? Did it bother you when they hanged the female governor in effigy? How about when that 17yo crossed the Wisconsin state line with an assault rifle and killed a couple of protestors? I haven’t heard a peep from the right wing about that one, other than some convoluted defenses of him. As far as “shun and exclude” goes, we all have the right to decide for ourselves when we’ve reached our limit with people who are more interested in calling themselves patriots than actually acting like patriots. You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us. I’ll be glad when at least some of you finally come to your senses and break out of this cult you’re currently in.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 25, 2020 22:45:12 GMT
I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. You got trump sending federal forces to do just the thing you say you abhorr. He is terrorizing Americans. On purpose. Trump, his press sec, his sycophants all put out false narratives every day. Outright lies. Daily, Republicans REFUSE to even discuss sensible gun control, and children are being assaulted in what used to be a safe place. Trump ruins people weekly, lies about them, degenerates them, lists to all sorts of social media about them (lies), and bullies them. Black men and other indigenous people are being killed for no reason, by police who are not held accountable. Trump sent in federal forces to protect federal buildings. As he should. Biden and his camp are putting out a hell of a lot of false narratives themselves. According to him we're all dead by now since he has told us earlier this year that gun violence has killed off 150 million of us and now covid has killed 200 million. With a country of about 330 million and how many undocumented, there's pretty much no one left in our country. LOL I don't believe the press secretary is putting out false narratives. I do believe you don't like some of the answers because they contradict your ideas and opinions. Your accusation is sort of vague though, if you'd like to discuss specifics I can. I don't think everything this administration does is right or a good idea and we can discuss any specifics you'd like as it comes up. I have the same thoughts about Biden. I hate where we're at with race issues in this world. I think it's horrible when people are killed. I think it's horrible when any group is mistreated and treated as less than. I think so many things in the media look outright horrible in regards to police interaction. I believe that the police that do wrong should be held accountable. I do see that happening a lot more now. I think protests are helping it to not be ignored. There are investigations and juries of their peers who get to see the actual facts, not the media and mob facts. They convict or acquit based on those facts. I think the media and politicians add to racial anger by declaring something racist as soon as it happens without even knowing the facts other than the victim is black. They fuel this. For a party that is so about facts and science, they sure do ignore them when it's convenient to stake hate and anger.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 25, 2020 22:56:17 GMT
The police were called because the anti-Trump people wanted to use this opportunity smear the Trump supporters so they claimed they "FELT" intimidated IMO spurred on by the lone tweeter. My opinion is based on this "While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBCNothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. "At no point do I think it was meant to, nor did it, intimidate voters. We wanted to take it to the parking lot and let people know that President Trump is a great candidate for them to vote for." Sean Rastatter with the Fairfax County GOP These people were trying to get people to vote for Trump, not scare people. I know I won't convince anyone who has already made up their mind, but I just wanted to provide new facts to anyone who might be open to hearing them. You’re quoting the Fairfax County GOP as a reference as to whether these ass bites from the Fairfax County GOP were deliberately trying to intimidate voters or not? That’s a good one. I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. If I understand this correctly, you are cherry-picking criminal behavior by people you are characterizing as Democratic voters to weaponize against all non-Trump voters. Please explain which mainstream non-Trump voters have assaulted children, ruined people, burned people’s houses down, terrorized the population, or hunted police and Trump supporters and shot them point-blank. Those are not my people, not anyone I would vote for, support, or even associate with. Why are you trying to hang Democrats with the actions of fringe-y, violent revolutionaries? You don’t want to be associated with white supremacists (one of whom, btw, is who hunted down and killed a couple of law enforcement officers in my neck of the woods ... not any wild-eyed liberal). Can you answer why you think it’s okay to lump together every Biden voter with a few left-wing criminals? Where were you when armed militia men invaded the Michigan statehouse and got right up in the state troopers’ faces with their guns and threats? Did it bother you when they hanged the female governor in effigy? How about when that 17yo crossed the Wisconsin state line with an assault rifle and killed a couple of protestors? I haven’t heard a peep from the right wing about that one, other than some convoluted defenses of him. As far as “shun and exclude” goes, we all have the right to decide for ourselves when we’ve reached our limit with people who are more interested in calling themselves patriots than actually acting like patriots. You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us. I’ll be glad when at least some of you finally come to your senses and break out of this cult you’re currently in. I quoted to show the part that the people said "they FELT intimidated". I also quoted from the police report that said "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." As far as lumping all Biden supporters I didn't. I said "people who do". As far as this: Lucy: "You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us." I already said that days ago.
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