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Post by Just T on Sept 25, 2020 22:59:53 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but I thought it was illegal to picket/protest at polling places. I have been voting since 1981, and I have never ever seen anyone doing anything like that.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2020 23:04:21 GMT
I’ll give you one example of Press Sec Kayleigh putting out a false narrative, right off the top of my head, no research needed, I heard it with my own ears and so did anyone else who actually cares about the truth. The day AFTER we heard Trump on tape telling Bob Woodward that he always likes to play down the threat from COVID so as not to cause a panic (never mind he has no problem with causing a panic about race relations, “Dem cities are burning” crap, “your suburbs will be destroyed,” etc.), Kayleigh McEnany insisted from the podium, with a straight face, that Trump has never played down the COVID pandemic. Please. And basically any time she opens her trap. But that’s the one that jumped right into my head today. pixiechick |
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Post by lucyg on Sept 25, 2020 23:07:18 GMT
You’re quoting the Fairfax County GOP as a reference as to whether these ass bites from the Fairfax County GOP were deliberately trying to intimidate voters or not? That’s a good one. If I understand this correctly, you are cherry-picking criminal behavior by people you are characterizing as Democratic voters to weaponize against all non-Trump voters. Please explain which mainstream non-Trump voters have assaulted children, ruined people, burned people’s houses down, terrorized the population, or hunted police and Trump supporters and shot them point-blank. Those are not my people, not anyone I would vote for, support, or even associate with. Why are you trying to hang Democrats with the actions of fringe-y, violent revolutionaries? You don’t want to be associated with white supremacists (one of whom, btw, is who hunted down and killed a couple of law enforcement officers in my neck of the woods ... not any wild-eyed liberal). Can you answer why you think it’s okay to lump together every Biden voter with a few left-wing criminals? Where were you when armed militia men invaded the Michigan statehouse and got right up in the state troopers’ faces with their guns and threats? Did it bother you when they hanged the female governor in effigy? How about when that 17yo crossed the Wisconsin state line with an assault rifle and killed a couple of protestors? I haven’t heard a peep from the right wing about that one, other than some convoluted defenses of him. As far as “shun and exclude” goes, we all have the right to decide for ourselves when we’ve reached our limit with people who are more interested in calling themselves patriots than actually acting like patriots. You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us. I’ll be glad when at least some of you finally come to your senses and break out of this cult you’re currently in. I quoted to show the part that the people said "they FELT intimidated". I also quoted from the police report that said "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." As far as lumping all Biden supporters I didn't. I said "people who do". As far as this: Lucy: "You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us." I already said that days ago. So you’re willing to admit they were blocking the walkway that the line was supposed to go through? |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 25, 2020 23:12:52 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but I thought it was illegal to picket/protest at polling places. I have been voting since 1981, and I have never ever seen anyone doing anything like that. They weren't protesting, they were campaigning. You'll remember Bill Clinton did for his wife in 2016.  |
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Post by pierogi on Sept 25, 2020 23:14:36 GMT
Why is anyone engaging the energy creature? Just block it.  |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 25, 2020 23:18:18 GMT
I quoted to show the part that the people said "they FELT intimidated". I also quoted from the police report that said "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." As far as lumping all Biden supporters I didn't. I said "people who do". As far as this: Lucy: "You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us." I already said that days ago. So you’re willing to admit they were blocking the walkway that the line was supposed to go through? I'll say it again: " While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says " there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBC Nothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 25, 2020 23:19:40 GMT
Why is anyone engaging the energy creature? Just block it. You expect everyone to agree and block them if they don't? No discussion allowed? |
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Post by elaine on Sept 25, 2020 23:27:56 GMT
The police were called because the anti-Trump people wanted to use this opportunity smear the Trump supporters so they claimed they "FELT" intimidated IMO spurred on by the lone tweeter. My opinion is based on this "While the group did not directly block the Fairfax County Government Center entrance, some voters and elections staff "DID FEEL intimidated by the crowd and we did provide escorts past the group," an official said, per the New York Times. & this The police report says "there was not actual blocking of the doors or actual preventing of any voter from entering the building and there were multiple pathways that were unobstructed to get into the building." News4 NBCNothing concrete backs up the claim. There is not a single picture or video that shows them blocking people or the doors. Why is that? If they were actually doing it, SOMEONE would have gotten it in a picture or video. They also weren't harassing or screaming at people, they were peacefully chanting. "At no point do I think it was meant to, nor did it, intimidate voters. We wanted to take it to the parking lot and let people know that President Trump is a great candidate for them to vote for." Sean Rastatter with the Fairfax County GOP These people were trying to get people to vote for Trump, not scare people. I know I won't convince anyone who has already made up their mind, but I just wanted to provide new facts to anyone who might be open to hearing them. You’re quoting the Fairfax County GOP as a reference as to whether these ass bites from the Fairfax County GOP were deliberately trying to intimidate voters or not? That’s a good one. I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. If I understand this correctly, you are cherry-picking criminal behavior by people you are characterizing as Democratic voters to weaponize against all non-Trump voters. Please explain which mainstream non-Trump voters have assaulted children, ruined people, burned people’s houses down, terrorized the population, or hunted police and Trump supporters and shot them point-blank. Those are not my people, not anyone I would vote for, support, or even associate with. Why are you trying to hang Democrats with the actions of fringe-y, violent revolutionaries? You don’t want to be associated with white supremacists (one of whom, btw, is who hunted down and killed a couple of law enforcement officers in my neck of the woods ... not any wild-eyed liberal). Can you answer why you think it’s okay to lump together every Biden voter with a few left-wing criminals? Where were you when armed militia men invaded the Michigan statehouse and got right up in the state troopers’ faces with their guns and threats? Did it bother you when they hanged the female governor in effigy? How about when that 17yo crossed the Wisconsin state line with an assault rifle and killed a couple of protestors? I haven’t heard a peep from the right wing about that one, other than some convoluted defenses of him. As far as “shun and exclude” goes, we all have the right to decide for ourselves when we’ve reached our limit with people who are more interested in calling themselves patriots than actually acting like patriots. You people don’t own patriotism or the flag. They belong to all of us. I’ll be glad when at least some of you finally come to your senses and break out of this cult you’re currently in. I love you. ❤️ |
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 26, 2020 0:14:59 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but I thought it was illegal to picket/protest at polling places. I have been voting since 1981, and I have never ever seen anyone doing anything like that.
Not only that, this seems like the worst kind of publicity for Trump/Pence. If these people are trying to sway on-the-fence voters, this is not the way to do it.
Abhorrent behavior, period.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 26, 2020 0:21:03 GMT
I’ll give you one example of Press Sec Kayleigh putting out a false narrative, right off the top of my head, no research needed, I heard it with my own ears and so did anyone else who actually cares about the truth. The day AFTER we heard Trump on tape telling Bob Woodward that he always likes to play down the threat from COVID so as not to cause a panic... Kayleigh McEnany insisted from the podium, with a straight face, that Trump has never played down the COVID pandemic.The question you heard with your own ears was not "did he downplay" it was "did he mislead". There is a difference in those questions and it's not semantics. You can downplay something without misleading. He downplayed to keep people calm. Misleading would be to say, there's nothing to worry about and we don't need to do anything or take any precautions. |
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Post by Just T on Sept 26, 2020 0:26:34 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but I thought it was illegal to picket/protest at polling places. I have been voting since 1981, and I have never ever seen anyone doing anything like that. They weren't protesting, they were campaigning. You'll remember Bill Clinton did for his wife in 2016. No, I don't remember Bill Clinton doing that. I also didn't vote for Hillary, so you don't have to make this about that. I was simply saying that I thought it was illegal to do what those folks did in VA. I have never encountered anything like that in all my years of voting, that is why I was asking about it. Campaigning/protesting/whatever, I thought doing that is illegal because it can be seen as intimidating |
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Post by Just T on Sept 26, 2020 0:29:15 GMT
He downplayed to keep people calm. That is hilarious considering he says things all the time that do anything BUT keep people calm. I do not believe for one minute that was his goal. Well, maybe he wanted to keep people calm so the stock market wasn't affected. If you believe he downplayed it to keep people calm back in March, what is his reason for still downplaying it all these months later? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2020 0:31:02 GMT
You got trump sending federal forces to do just the thing you say you abhorr. He is terrorizing Americans. On purpose. Trump, his press sec, his sycophants all put out false narratives every day. Outright lies. Daily, Republicans REFUSE to even discuss sensible gun control, and children are being assaulted in what used to be a safe place. Trump ruins people weekly, lies about them, degenerates them, lists to all sorts of social media about them (lies), and bullies them. Black men and other indigenous people are being killed for no reason, by police who are not held accountable. Trump sent in federal forces to protect federal buildings. As he should. Biden and his camp are putting out a hell of a lot of false narratives themselves. According to him we're all dead by now since he has told us earlier this year that gun violence has killed off 150 million of us and now covid has killed 200 million. With a country of about 330 million and how many undocumented, there's pretty much no one left in our country. LOL I don't believe the press secretary is putting out false narratives. I do believe you don't like some of the answers because they contradict your ideas and opinions. Your accusation is sort of vague though, if you'd like to discuss specifics I can. I don't think everything this administration does is right or a good idea and we can discuss any specifics you'd like as it comes up. I have the same thoughts about Biden. I hate where we're at with race issues in this world. I think it's horrible when people are killed. I think it's horrible when any group is mistreated and treated as less than. I think so many things in the media look outright horrible in regards to police interaction. I believe that the police that do wrong should be held accountable. I do see that happening a lot more now. I think protests are helping it to not be ignored. There are investigations and juries of their peers who get to see the actual facts, not the media and mob facts. They convict or acquit based on those facts. I think the media and politicians add to racial anger by declaring something racist as soon as it happens without even knowing the facts other than the victim is black. They fuel this. For a party that is so about facts and science, they sure do ignore them when it's convenient to stake hate and anger. Gia you are exactly who you have always been. A hypocrite. A big one. Your storytelling is the same as it was with all the (non factual) issues you had with HRC. Everything you listed in response here is a Republican Trumpster fairytale. Non truths. Gaslighting. Lies. All of which have been proven lies. (The press secretary IS a liar and DOES lie). See here is the difference between republicans and Democrats—- At least we have the wherewithal to acknowledge and denounce what has been bad/wrong. But a republican will go to the grave double downing on the lies, the fiction, the gaslighting that they produce. No honor among thieves. They’re content with lying, dismissing proven facts, honoring their word, and gaslighting to get their way. There are more Americans dead in these last 6 months because of republican lies, ignorance, greed than there has ever been by the hands of protestors, rioters even if you assume they’re all liberals (of which facts have shown that they’re not). You’re what the Russians refer to (and call trump) as a “useful idiot”. Go look it up. |
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Post by Just T on Sept 26, 2020 0:33:37 GMT
This may be a dumb question, but I thought it was illegal to picket/protest at polling places. I have been voting since 1981, and I have never ever seen anyone doing anything like that.
Not only that, this seems like the worst kind of publicity for Trump/Pence. If these people are trying to sway on-the-fence voters, this is not the way to do it.
Abhorrent behavior, period.
Thanks for that link. I live in Missouri, and it looks like what happened at that polling place in VA would not be illegal here, but again, I have never seen anything like that. I guess maybe I should be prepared for that this year. And I agree, that does not seem like the way to sway anyone. I can see very young or very old voters being very intimidated by that. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 26, 2020 0:37:28 GMT
I’ll give you one example of Press Sec Kayleigh putting out a false narrative, right off the top of my head, no research needed, I heard it with my own ears and so did anyone else who actually cares about the truth. The day AFTER we heard Trump on tape telling Bob Woodward that he always likes to play down the threat from COVID so as not to cause a panic... Kayleigh McEnany insisted from the podium, with a straight face, that Trump has never played down the COVID pandemic.The question you heard with your own ears was not "did he downplay" it was "did he mislead". There is a difference in those questions and it's not semantics. You can downplay something without misleading. He downplayed to keep people calm. Misleading would be to say, there's nothing to worry about and we don't need to do anything or take any precautions. Another lie Gia. He misled the American public. Period. A proven fact. We don’t live in a bubble where every sentence is a separate, unattached, unrelated issue. Every time trump spoke about the virus, HE KNEW and he continued lying, more lies, and lying some more. Pretty much every single thing he’s said about the virus has been a false statement or a lie. He 100%, unequivocally lied, MISLEAD, gaslighted, AND downplayed the virus. And we have him to thank for over 200,000 dead Americans and over a million more who are gravely ill. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 26, 2020 0:38:58 GMT
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 26, 2020 0:53:55 GMT
What's Undetermined - Whether the "150 foot rule" was broken at any point during the day. That picture sure doesn't look like 150 feet. |
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 26, 2020 0:56:30 GMT
You’ve quoted snopes before but now you’re arguing with them? Because you think you can accurately judge distance from a picture? And it doesn’t fit your narrative?
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Post by Just T on Sept 26, 2020 1:02:15 GMT
Back in those days, I didn't pay attention to every little thing. LOL I guess I was clueless. I long to go back to those days. By the way, I wasn't questioning whether or not he did it, I just didn't remember hearing about it. And to be honest, Bill Clinton by himself is still WAY different than a whole group of chanting, flag waving Trump supporters in a wide line at a polling place. |
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Post by MizIndependent on Sept 26, 2020 1:16:45 GMT
What's Undetermined - Whether the "150 foot rule" was broken at any point during the day. That picture sure doesn't look like 150 feet. I mean...I wasn’t there so, just having to rely on the reports that came out at the time. 😊 |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 26, 2020 11:12:53 GMT
It’s not just a flag being co-opted here. Patriot. Patriotism. American. Citizen. Taxpayer. Family values. It’s all being co-opted. Narrowed. The result is exclusion and it’s getting downright scary. I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. Shoo, fly, shoo. You're an obscenely unreliable narrator, a persecution junkie, a serial plagiarist and, speaking of serial, an alter. Be gone. |
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 26, 2020 22:58:29 GMT
I'm less worried about words and flags being co-opted. I'm more worried about people who justify false narratives as a reason to shun and exclude, assault children, ruin people, burn peoples house down, terrorize the population and hunt police and Trump supporters and shoot them point blank. THAT is scary. Shoo, fly, shoo. You're an obscenely unreliable narrator, a persecution junkie, a serial plagiarist and, speaking of serial, an alter. Be gone. Personal attacks when you can't address the subject matter is weak. Not something I'd expect from someone with such a pompous signature. |
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Post by scrappintoee on Sept 27, 2020 1:38:26 GMT
I'm originally from that area, and still keep in touch with some lifelong friends. I can't wait to see what my fellow Biden supporters in that area thought of this!
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Sept 27, 2020 14:21:06 GMT
Shoo, fly, shoo. You're an obscenely unreliable narrator, a persecution junkie, a serial plagiarist and, speaking of serial, an alter. Be gone. Personal attacks when you can't address the subject matter is weak. Not something I'd expect from someone with such a pompous signature. Unexpected? Yeah, I was bitchy. More often than not, that’s not my style, but I’ve been a bitch with you before...and you with me. You’re not above the fray, regardless of the all-forum charm offensive you’re currently waging with this identity. And pompous? Sure, I can be achingly pompous. But “unable to address the subject matter?” Nah, I can often hold my own. What you should expect, when you behave as you do here, under whatever moniker(s) du jour, is that the strong theme I was highlighting in my admittedly personal attack, which is your dishonesty, will be apparent to more than just me. It’s impossible to do what you’re asking - address subject matter - when your dishonesty infects everything from your “facts”... to your logic... to the provenance of the writing you claim as your own... to your very identity... to whatever it is drives your posting spurts under whatever convoluted identity machinations. And yes, dishonesty is very personal. And personally revealing. This is a community - with a lot of implicit trust imbedded. It’s not your personal playground. And with that, I’m done. I believe “Block” is the best remedy for both of us |
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Post by lucyg on Sept 27, 2020 18:20:33 GMT
I’ll give you one example of Press Sec Kayleigh putting out a false narrative, right off the top of my head, no research needed, I heard it with my own ears and so did anyone else who actually cares about the truth. The day AFTER we heard Trump on tape telling Bob Woodward that he always likes to play down the threat from COVID so as not to cause a panic... Kayleigh McEnany insisted from the podium, with a straight face, that Trump has never played down the COVID pandemic.The question you heard with your own ears was not "did he downplay" it was "did he mislead". There is a difference in those questions and it's not semantics. You can downplay something without misleading. He downplayed to keep people calm. Misleading would be to say, there's nothing to worry about and we don't need to do anything or take any precautions. Then you’re quoting the wrong clip. I heard Kayleigh with my own ears say he never DOWNPLAYED the virus. |
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 27, 2020 18:48:23 GMT
The question you heard with your own ears was not "did he downplay" it was "did he mislead". There is a difference in those questions and it's not semantics. You can downplay something without misleading. He downplayed to keep people calm. Misleading would be to say, there's nothing to worry about and we don't need to do anything or take any precautions. Then you’re quoting the wrong clip. I heard Kayleigh with my own ears say he never DOWNPLAYED the virus. I know for a fact that’s what Kayleigh said because I watched the presser. But just to be 100% sure, I looked at the transcript and here is that portion from the WH website itself: MS. MCENANY: Mario. Q Thank you, Kayleigh. How can the President bear no responsibility for the 200- — almost 200,000 lives lost when he downplayed the virus initially and he knew that how contagious and deadly it was? I don’t understand how that can — MS. MCENANY: The President never downplayed the virus. Once again, the President expressed calm. The President was serious about this. When Democrats were pursuing their sham impeachment, he was expressing calm and he was taking early action. And his actions are reflective of how seriously he took COVID. ETA: Here's the video. The disputed portion begins at approx 1:21. Again, very clearly, she said, "The President never downplayed the virus." linkMore: Here's the full transcript - link |
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Post by inkedup on Sept 27, 2020 18:55:31 GMT
Shoo, fly, shoo. You're an obscenely unreliable narrator, a persecution junkie, a serial plagiarist and, speaking of serial, an alter. Be gone. Personal attacks when you can't address the subject matter is weak. Not something I'd expect from someone with such a pompous signature. Persecution junkie, indeed. The "subject matter" has been addressed with you, gia, ad nauseum. And speaking of nausea: I think we are all pretty sick of your shit. Wouldn't your energy be better spent rah rahing with the rest of the cult on some pro-Trump site? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 27, 2020 18:55:34 GMT
Then you’re quoting the wrong clip. I heard Kayleigh with my own ears say he never DOWNPLAYED the virus. I know for a fact that’s what Kayleigh said because I watched the presser. But just to be 100% sure, I looked at the transcript and here is that portion from the WH website itself: MS. MCENANY: Mario. Q Thank you, Kayleigh. How can the President bear no responsibility for the 200- — almost 200,000 lives lost when he downplayed the virus initially and he knew that how contagious and deadly it was? I don’t understand how that can — MS. MCENANY: The President never downplayed the virus. Once again, the President expressed calm. The President was serious about this. When Democrats were pursuing their sham impeachment, he was expressing calm and he was taking early action. And his actions are reflective of how seriously he took COVID. ETA: Here's the video. The disputed portion begins at approx 1:21. Again, very clearly, she said, "The President never downplayed the virus." linkI’ll play pixiechick. “But can you produce a witness who was at that presser? How do you know that the video hasn’t been altered?” “Hmmmmmmmmm?” |
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Post by lizacreates on Sept 27, 2020 18:58:10 GMT
I know for a fact that’s what Kayleigh said because I watched the presser. But just to be 100% sure, I looked at the transcript and here is that portion from the WH website itself: MS. MCENANY: Mario. Q Thank you, Kayleigh. How can the President bear no responsibility for the 200- — almost 200,000 lives lost when he downplayed the virus initially and he knew that how contagious and deadly it was? I don’t understand how that can — MS. MCENANY: The President never downplayed the virus. Once again, the President expressed calm. The President was serious about this. When Democrats were pursuing their sham impeachment, he was expressing calm and he was taking early action. And his actions are reflective of how seriously he took COVID. ETA: Here's the video. The disputed portion begins at approx 1:21. Again, very clearly, she said, "The President never downplayed the virus." linkI’ll play pixiechick. “But can you produce a witness who was at that presser? How do you know that the video hasn’t been altered?” “Hmmmmmmmmm?” Lol! Too true. It's classic Gia. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Sept 27, 2020 20:00:46 GMT
Personal attacks when you can't address the subject matter is weak. Not something I'd expect from someone with such a pompous signature. Persecution junkie, indeed. The "subject matter" has been addressed with you, gia, ad nauseum. And speaking of nausea: I think we are all pretty sick of your shit. Wouldn't your energy be better spent rah rahing with the rest of the cult on some pro-Trump site? Or driving a trump bedazzled golf cart in The Villages? |
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