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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 8, 2021 22:59:25 GMT
I’m white, middle class, a mother, agnostic, conservative. In general a mix of beliefs like most of the rest of the country that fall in the middle. To date, KP has been my favorite sub until the rebranding. I know her political stance and we agree on some, not on others. It doesn’t make me want to buy less of her products. The rebranded Paper Person isn’t sparking my interest, but it’s nothing to do with her (or my) politics. Maybe others can’t see beyond her politics and it is impacting her sales. I think Kelly is quite openly okay with that. ETA: I might be conservative but not a DT supporter. I’m definitely not a unicorn. I got the DT sticker because, how could I not?! It perfect for documenting anytime in the last 4 years. It looks just like him! I think even if I was a DT supporter it’s still a great sticker for documenting.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 8, 2021 23:05:56 GMT
I’m leaving space for an insurrection sticker just in case...
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Post by honeypea on Jan 8, 2021 23:15:45 GMT
I’m the furthest thing from a fan of the orange shithead in office, but I bought the sticker. I am hoping to have the opportunity to make an interactive page element where you open the flaps and find him in the slammer. 👿
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 8, 2021 23:23:58 GMT
I am not wowed busy this months papers but I’m not running away either. Not memorable enough to love or hate ( which I guess is a true insult ) maybe they will appeal more in person Also, maybe there isn’t a stamp this month, there wasn’t the very first month ( which I was fully unimpressed with but I loved Nov & Dec ) This was the October stamp set: paperperson.shop/products/at-home-digital-files
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 8, 2021 23:30:05 GMT
In the comments on PP's IG there are more comments: {ETA, I can't get the IG to copy. FML.} I'll just quote the stuff like this: renee.e.mcknight I hope you will keep in mind that the country is politically divided in half when you are designing your products to help us document 2021. Theoretically your customers are as well. Neither side deserves to be silenced. That is democracy—everyone is heard. Let’s not let any political figure rob us of that. paperperson.shop renee.e.mcknight I completely respect what you’re saying and I think there might be another company who offers what you’re looking for. I have listened for the last four years and have listened to Republicans continue to echo the dangerous lies. There’s no interest here for supporting those views or giving them a louder voice. renee.e.mcknight @paperperson.shop of course that is your right. melaniearrowoodrealtor @paperperson.shop I think all she was asking was that you remember all of your customers and respect them and their feelings. It doesn’t do anyone any good to lump everyone into a category. I’m sure you don’t like that either. God loves all of us and we need to do the same even with our differences. Don’t punish the masses for the few who are doing wrong. paperperson.shop @melaniearrowoodrealtor nothing was said to be disrespectful or diminish anyone’s feelings or treat people as monolithic. Deciding not to amplify values & choices I disagree with is not “punishing” anyone, and again, I think this industry is big enough that there are other companies who would be a better fit for those customers. [end quote] I agree with sleepingbooty though, KP hasn't gone out of her way to bash the Republicans. I think the only thing that people took offense to was the DT sticker? So, I'm not sure why there were comments made to remember there are two sides, which was what I was trying to get clarification on. I don't see KP busting out a full on "FU Republicans" type card, but I am honestly not surprised at most things these days... It just isn't very welcoming to people who disagree with her viewpoints. I know she is a Democrat, but a lot of her customers are not. It's generally not a good business practice for business owners to tell their customers to shop elsewhere because they have different political viewpoints.
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Post by amp on Jan 8, 2021 23:32:21 GMT
You could just cancel now and only pay the $10 cancellation fee and not the entire sub fee? Do you feel that way because she's basically the opposite of a Conservative or from other business practices? I know a lot of people haven't been impressed with CS, but she's never been shy about her political views. She's overtly saying she only wants to amplify voices she agrees with, which just creates a huge echo chamber. It's problematic with either side does that.I absolutely agree with you. She's just furthering the divide in this country!! That's not helping anything. I'm a conservative white Christian mother...but I'm also vegan, anti-hunting, pro-environment...I think there are a lot of people like me that see good (and bad) in both parties.
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Post by Citygirl on Jan 8, 2021 23:47:06 GMT
I’m the furthest thing from a fan of the orange shithead in office, but I bought the sticker. I am hoping to have the opportunity to make an interactive page element where you open the flaps and find him in the slammer. 👿 Lol YES please!
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2021 0:00:55 GMT
I am not wowed busy this months papers but I’m not running away either. Not memorable enough to love or hate ( which I guess is a true insult ) maybe they will appeal more in person Also, maybe there isn’t a stamp this month, there wasn’t the very first month ( which I was fully unimpressed with but I loved Nov & Dec ) This was the October stamp set: paperperson.shop/products/at-home-digital-files In the kit? Because I did not get a stamp in my October kit.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2021 0:37:10 GMT
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 9, 2021 10:47:17 GMT
The day after a terrorist attack, incited by the president, she's asked to "remember both sides". Even though, historically, she has always included both sides in her political kits.
If you follow her on IG, then you saw what could be a sneak that is a PEACE SIGN and says "Bye, Don".
You're free to make your own assumptions, as I have, and purchase from her or not.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2021 14:54:03 GMT
The day after a terrorist attack, incited by the president, she's asked to "remember both sides". Even though, historically, she has always included both sides in her political kits. If you follow her on IG, then you saw what could be a sneak that is a PEACE SIGN and says "Bye, Don". You're free to make your own assumptions, as I have, and purchase from her or not. A lot of conservatives, myself included, have condemned what happened on Wednesday. What happened is not a reflection of how most Republicans I know feel. Then again, I've had a crazy conspiracy theory since 2016 that Donald Trump was nothing more than a plant to destroy the Republican party. If you look at his pre2016 positions, he was NOT a Republican. I think whoever encouraged/financed his run underestimated the power of delusion and ego trips or maybe they thought people would much rather vote for the entity they know and dislike (HRC) than an unknown entity.
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Post by amp on Jan 9, 2021 15:27:28 GMT
The day after a terrorist attack, incited by the president, she's asked to "remember both sides". Even though, historically, she has always included both sides in her political kits. If you follow her on IG, then you saw what could be a sneak that is a PEACE SIGN and says "Bye, Don". You're free to make your own assumptions, as I have, and purchase from her or not. A lot of conservatives, myself included, have condemned what happened on Wednesday. What happened is not a reflection of how most Republicans I know feel. Then again, I've had a crazy conspiracy theory since 2016 that Donald Trump was nothing more than a plant to destroy the Republican party. If you look at his pre2016 positions, he was NOT a Republican. I think whoever encouraged/financed his run underestimated the power of delusion and ego trips or maybe they thought people would much rather vote for the entity they know and dislike (HRC) than an unknown entity. Exactly!!! And it is so incredibly hurtful how everyone thinks all Republicans thought it was OK. It was not! It was horrible!!! It is even more hurtful to read things that people -- even some of my friends -- say about Republicans like we are an army of horrible people. I think most of us conservatives loathe that this happened. A lot of the same people who are preaching unity (which we need) are the same ones saying mean things about conservatives. This is not going to bring unity. We need the two party system in this country. But we also need unity and peace and we need to respect each other. I wish everyone love and peace. As a side note, although I did not vote for him, Joe Biden has earned my respect in this situation by remaining positive, and focusing on his upcoming administration. I am looking forward to seeing what good his administration can accomplish.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 9, 2021 15:34:59 GMT
A lot of conservatives, myself included, have condemned what happened on Wednesday. What happened is not a reflection of how most Republicans I know feel. I understand that. I'm simply stating that perhaps the day after the terrorist attack maybe wasn't the best time to go "what about us"? Again, I'm not KP or a representative of PP, so I don't know what she meant, I was just saying that *I* did not take her comments to mean anything was going to change with how she designs her stuff. Which, historically, has been fair. I think the timing was a sensitive area for EVERYONE. A Republican could've seen her post and felt attacked, whether they agreed with Trump or not. A Democrat could've seen her post and felt it was too soft. Who knows? The same could be said for anything. I am, however, a smidge upset that the sneaks are few. I feel like we were seeing sneaks, in general, a little earlier than the week of the release?
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2021 15:40:02 GMT
The day after a terrorist attack, incited by the president, she's asked to "remember both sides". Even though, historically, she has always included both sides in her political kits. If you follow her on IG, then you saw what could be a sneak that is a PEACE SIGN and says "Bye, Don". You're free to make your own assumptions, as I have, and purchase from her or not. The bye don peace sign is not new I already have it digitally from the Black Friday sale
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 9, 2021 15:41:33 GMT
The bye don peace sign is not new I already have it digitally from the Black Friday sale Thank you! I didn't remember it, but I skipped that kit.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 9, 2021 15:43:03 GMT
The bye don peace sign is not new I already have it digitally from the Black Friday sale Thank you! I didn't remember it, but I skipped that kit. im not sure which kit it was from but I printed it & used it in my election insert from November
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2021 16:18:16 GMT
I am, however, a smidge upset that the sneaks are few. I feel like we were seeing sneaks, in general, a little earlier than the week of the release? Yes, I think we usually have more ideas f what this month will look like before now. I didn't like the papers for this month, hopefully the stamp set will be good and there will be alphabet stickers in there as well.
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Post by jediannie on Jan 9, 2021 16:24:37 GMT
If you voted for trump you are part of the problem. Plain and simple. Yes, you may condemn what happened on Wednesday but you voted for him and other republicans who have been complicit in his tyrannical fascist rhetoric so yeah, I lump you all together. And as to the “conspiracy theory” that he was a plant to take down the Republican Party? If you’ve seen interviews with him, he said in the past if he were to run for president, he’d run as a Republican because they’re more easily manipulated. I’ll see if I can find that video if you like.
All that being said, I would prefer to know a company’s political and human rights stances so I know what I’m giving my money to.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2021 16:41:59 GMT
If you voted for trump you are part of the problem. Plain and simple. Yes, you may condemn what happened on Wednesday but you voted for him and other republicans who have been complicit in his tyrannical fascist rhetoric so yeah, I lump you all together. And as to the “conspiracy theory” that he was a plant to take down the Republican Party? If you’ve seen interviews with him, he said in the past if he were to run for president, he’d run as a Republican because they’re more easily manipulated. I’ll see if I can find that video if you like. All that being said, I would prefer to know a company’s political and human rights stances so I know what I’m giving my money to. Matt Gaetz is my Congressman, and I've voted against every election, both primary and general. Also, that's kind of my point- he ran as a Republican because he thought he'd get votes, not because he believes in the platform. He insulted Republicans, which makes me dislike him even more. That being said, crafting is an escape for me. I like not knowing people's beliefs so I can enjoy my hobby. I worked in the political process for more than a decade, so forgive me for wanting to separate my professional life from my personal life. I like KP's design aesthetic, which is why I buy her products. I just don't appreciate the judgement from her (and others) who don't share her worldview. My money is just as valuable as anyone else's.
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Post by jediannie on Jan 9, 2021 17:16:12 GMT
That being said, crafting is an escape for me. I like not knowing people's beliefs so I can enjoy my hobby. I worked in the political process for more than a decade, so forgive me for wanting to separate my professional life from my personal life. Separating professional from private life is allowed, just like me supporting or not supporting companies because of their political views.
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Post by Citygirl on Jan 9, 2021 17:22:00 GMT
mich5481 just curious what the documenting products that support and respect your voice and worldview in this current climate would look like?
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 9, 2021 18:44:29 GMT
mich5481 just curious what the documenting products that support and respect your voice and worldview in this current climate would look like? I've liked KP's previous offerings that allow me to document both sides. I don't necessarily need to have yay GOP stuff made for me, because that's not how I scrapbook. I have pictures from events I have attended and worked at in the past, so I let the pictures and my words speak, more than neccesarily needed super niche, themed products. I go to the paper person Instagram page to see ideas on how to use her products, as I identify with KP on being a single woman without kids in my 30s who enjoys traveling. I don't need to be preached on politics.
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Post by pancakes on Jan 10, 2021 17:21:02 GMT
In the comments on PP's IG there are more comments: {ETA, I can't get the IG to copy. FML.} I'll just quote the stuff like this: renee.e.mcknight I hope you will keep in mind that the country is politically divided in half when you are designing your products to help us document 2021. Theoretically your customers are as well. Neither side deserves to be silenced. That is democracy—everyone is heard. Let’s not let any political figure rob us of that. paperperson.shop renee.e.mcknight I completely respect what you’re saying and I think there might be another company who offers what you’re looking for. I have listened for the last four years and have listened to Republicans continue to echo the dangerous lies. There’s no interest here for supporting those views or giving them a louder voice. renee.e.mcknight @paperperson.shop of course that is your right. melaniearrowoodrealtor @paperperson.shop I think all she was asking was that you remember all of your customers and respect them and their feelings. It doesn’t do anyone any good to lump everyone into a category. I’m sure you don’t like that either. God loves all of us and we need to do the same even with our differences. Don’t punish the masses for the few who are doing wrong. paperperson.shop @melaniearrowoodrealtor nothing was said to be disrespectful or diminish anyone’s feelings or treat people as monolithic. Deciding not to amplify values & choices I disagree with is not “punishing” anyone, and again, I think this industry is big enough that there are other companies who would be a better fit for those customers. [end quote] I agree with sleepingbooty though, KP hasn't gone out of her way to bash the Republicans. I think the only thing that people took offense to was the DT sticker? So, I'm not sure why there were comments made to remember there are two sides, which was what I was trying to get clarification on. I don't see KP busting out a full on "FU Republicans" type card, but I am honestly not surprised at most things these days... It just isn't very welcoming to people who disagree with her viewpoints. I know she is a Democrat, but a lot of her customers are not. It's generally not a good business practice for business owners to tell their customers to shop elsewhere because they have different political viewpoints. I disagree with your last statement, as a marketing professional. Services/products aren’t for everyone, nor should they be if you want to be successful as a small business owner. Every owner should know who their target market is — KP’s is the one that mirrors her own life. Only when you have decent saturation of your target market should you explore expanding your market share to adjacent ones, keeping in mind that you don’t alienate your core customer. If anything, companies who market to everyone are only setting themselves up for failure because they’re not going to appeal to anyone at all.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 10, 2021 17:50:16 GMT
It just isn't very welcoming to people who disagree with her viewpoints. I know she is a Democrat, but a lot of her customers are not. It's generally not a good business practice for business owners to tell their customers to shop elsewhere because they have different political viewpoints. I disagree with your last statement, as a marketing professional. Services/products aren’t for everyone, nor should they be if you want to be successful as a small business owner. Every owner should know who their target market is — KP’s is the one that mirrors her own life. Only when you have decent saturation of your target market should you explore expanding your market share to adjacent ones, keeping in mind that you don’t alienate your core customer. If anything, companies who market to everyone are only setting themselves up for failure because they’re not going to appeal to anyone at all. There are plenty of people who buy her products (spending thousands of dollars with her various shops), but it's offensive to be told there are other companies to shop at - especially since those companies don't have her take on things that made people shop from her in the first place.
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Post by kiera on Jan 10, 2021 18:08:13 GMT
It has never been a secret that Kelly leans left, she's always been outspoken about it. She shouldn't have to cater to everybody to avoid hurt feelings if doing so would go against her personal beliefs in such a strong way. No one's forcing anyone to buy the political items!
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Post by hop2 on Jan 10, 2021 19:04:55 GMT
Ok, being that this is the GS board and not NSBR I’ve sat on my fingers all weekend. But it just keeps coming back.
I’m shocked. That is offensive? Her post and her responses were careful, polite, and measured. She never even hit on the subject directly. I’m shocked that people are ‘offended’ by such a mild post that never even directly said anything about anyone except herself. She did not call anyone names, she did not put down anyone. She stated her opinion. Then she stated that she’s keeping her opinions and not hiding them and if that is not to anyone’s liking she pointed out that there are plenty of other options.
After the crap ton of actual offensive crap we have been subjected to for the last 4 years, all of the hate and all of the biases, much of it directly from the Oval Office, *this* mild post is what is offensive?
Maybe take a look at your offense meter then.
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Post by QueSeraSera on Jan 10, 2021 19:46:46 GMT
Question to the people offended or upset with Kelly and the choices she makes for her business. Do you feel as strongly about Chick-fil-A or Hobby Lobby?
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Post by mrssch on Jan 10, 2021 20:35:22 GMT
I support KP with my hard earned money. She personally and through her company echo many of my beliefs. If not — If she were a vocal Trump supporter, I would not support her - especially financially.
As a business owner, she has weighed her beliefs vs money and made her choice. Clearly others need might need to do the same.
Another thing, If you don’t feel that there’s a company who represents your politics; now know what it’s felt like to be a minority crafter for years.
Thank you KP for using your voice and your platform to represent us.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jan 10, 2021 21:08:32 GMT
I think she’s offered products for everyone. I know she leans left and her products lean that way as well. However, all of her election collections offer all sides an opportunity to use with stamps or checkboxes on cards, etc. If her design team shows inspiration from one side, that wouldn’t prevent anyone from using the exact same inspiration with the Republican stamps. I still say that Trump sticker is not offensive and works for either side.
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