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Post by pancakes on Jan 10, 2021 21:32:56 GMT
I disagree with your last statement, as a marketing professional. Services/products aren’t for everyone, nor should they be if you want to be successful as a small business owner. Every owner should know who their target market is — KP’s is the one that mirrors her own life. Only when you have decent saturation of your target market should you explore expanding your market share to adjacent ones, keeping in mind that you don’t alienate your core customer. If anything, companies who market to everyone are only setting themselves up for failure because they’re not going to appeal to anyone at all. There are plenty of people who buy her products (spending thousands of dollars with her various shops), but it's offensive to be told there are other companies to shop at - especially since those companies don't have her take on things that made people shop from her in the first place. KP has her issues but here, I don’t see this as at all offensive. She’s just saying that her products and brand aren’t for everyone. And that if these things aren’t a good fit for you, there are lots of alternative options. This is no different than the description I wrote for the AirBnB we own that says that we are located on a busy street with lots of neighbors and people walking around. If you’re looking for a quiet, secluded stay, our apartment might not be the right fit for you. It’s just a fact. An attribute. And if it doesn’t align with what you’re looking for, then there are other alternatives. Same with Kelly’s products. They are what they are. If it’s not your jam, then that’s ok. But don’t expect someone to change what they’re selling or their target market because it doesn’t fit you.
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Post by mich5481 on Jan 10, 2021 22:00:41 GMT
When she closed up her original shop, many of us bemoaned the fact that there was a void in the market, and there were no other companies offering her take on contemporary events and life as a single, child free person. Where do you expect me to buy such stamps from? Has there been another company to open up shop that I'm not aware of?
KP is free to believe what she wants to. I take issue with the fact that she is dismissive of the fact that her customers are all over the map politically.
How would you feel if she was conservative and told her liberal customers to shop elsewhere?
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Post by kiera on Jan 10, 2021 22:13:00 GMT
I wouldn't be offended, their shop wouldn't be right for me and I'd either purchase things elsewhere or I'd just not buy the political items. If they were a proven Trump supporter (yes, I know not all conservatives like him, this is just an example) then they wouldn't get a penny. I don't give any money to Chick Fil A, Hobby Lobby, or the Salvation Army because of their views, why should I treat a paper company any differently?
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jediannie
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Post by jediannie on Jan 10, 2021 22:25:47 GMT
How would you feel if she was conservative and told her liberal customers to shop elsewhere? I would shop elsewhere and not get my knickers in a twist. I've been told to shop elsewhere before because I didn't agree with the stances on things in different shops (i.e. retrohip mama told me to shop elsewhere since I didn't agree with her q-anon BS and I have gladly shopped elsewhere). I wouldn't be offended, their shop wouldn't be right for me and I'd either purchase things elsewhere or I'd just not buy the political items. If they were a proven Trump supporter (yes, I know not all conservatives like him, this is just an example) then they wouldn't get a penny. I don't give any money to Chick Fil A, Hobby Lobby, or the Salvation Army because of their views, why should I treat a paper company any differently? Same, as much as I love those darn jesus chicken nuggets from chick fil a I refuse to give them my business because of their views.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 10, 2021 22:57:32 GMT
Same, as much as I love those darn jesus chicken nuggets from chick fil a I refuse to give them my business because of their views. As an aside, if you have access to "Just Bare Chicken Breast Chunks" (I get them at Costco), they taste SOOO similar!
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Post by jediannie on Jan 10, 2021 23:05:31 GMT
As an aside, if you have access to "Just Bare Chicken Breast Chunks" (I get them at Costco), they taste SOOO similar! Ooh, I'll have to try them! I've tried making my own at home but it's just not the same. Thanks for the tip!
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 10, 2021 23:31:39 GMT
Ooh, I'll have to try them! I've tried making my own at home but it's just not the same. Thanks for the tip! If you have an air fryer, it's even better, but I've had to do them in the oven and thought they were just fine!
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Post by hop2 on Jan 11, 2021 0:25:25 GMT
When she closed up her original shop, many of us bemoaned the fact that there was a void in the market, and there were no other companies offering her take on contemporary events and life as a single, child free person. Where do you expect me to buy such stamps from? Has there been another company to open up shop that I'm not aware of? KP is free to believe what she wants to. I take issue with the fact that she is dismissive of the fact that her customers are all over the map politically. How would you feel if she was conservative and told her liberal customers to shop elsewhere? Her right to do so. I’d probably shop elsewhere. No problem. In fact I have shopped elsewhere when someone’s beliefs are so far apart from what I support. She wasn’t nearly as obnoxious as BH was when BH told people to shop elsewhere. BH put people down, and was snotty, and bratty, about it. Kelley was as polite as she could be while stating that she did not intend to change either her opinions or expressing them. She was not snotty or bratty when she pointed out that there are plenty of sources to shop at.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 11, 2021 13:19:37 GMT
TBH I’m hoping to get back to a point in the world where politics takes a back seat again that I don’t feel the need to scrap it other than putting my I voted sticker in my planner. So I’m hoping that I don’t feel the need to buy Kelly’s political stuff ever again. 🤞🏻
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 16:19:51 GMT
TBH I’m hoping to get back to a point in the world where politics takes a back seat again that I don’t feel the need to scrap it other than putting my I voted sticker in my planner. So I’m hoping that I don’t feel the need to buy Kelly’s political stuff ever again. 🤞🏻 I hope so too. But I am feeling that 2021 is going to be a whole lot worse than 2020 in many many ways. In meantime...this layout popped up in my IG feed . I really like it. http://instagram.com/p/CJ6LxlQgMJg In the meantime I've decided to use a CT album that is dedicated to COVID/News
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pancakes
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Post by pancakes on Jan 11, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
Same, as much as I love those darn jesus chicken nuggets from chick fil a I refuse to give them my business because of their views. As an aside, if you have access to "Just Bare Chicken Breast Chunks" (I get them at Costco), they taste SOOO similar! I 100% can vouch for this too, hahaha. They aren't AS good as the Chick-Fil-A ones...but they come close enough.
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Post by janamke on Jan 11, 2021 19:44:28 GMT
[quote author=" mich5481" source="/post/3238422/thread" timestamp="1610316041" How would you feel if she was conservative and told her liberal customers to shop elsewhere?[/quote] I’d be absolutely fine with that. I don’t shop at Christian bookstores and the like because their message is not for me. It isn’t KPs job to make sure everyone’s needs are accounted for.
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Post by wendifful on Jan 12, 2021 0:47:50 GMT
I agree with janamke that it isn't KP's job to make sure everyone's needs are accounted for. (The quote function is messing up on me for some reason!) I feel like this is supposed to be a strong point of the free market: there is SOMETHING out there for everyone, but not everything is for everyone. KP's political/moral beliefs are clearly very important to her, so I'm glad she incorporates them into her business. (Sidenote: I have to say that I rarely hear this sort of complaint about Christian-themed papercrafting products, even though those are by nature exclusionary too.) I also think this is something we see with people in the "arts," whether that's design, acting or crafting. There is an IG post that Elise Cripe recently linked to that spoke volumes to me. (I'm purposely linking it instead of embedding because I think it will anger some people, so as much as I think everyone should read it, I'm going to let people decide to do that on their own.) It's from a designer who gets told "stay in your lane" about politics and therefore gives "design tips" about politics/human rights. Also, someone commented on the post that if everyone "stayed in their lane," only politicians would be able to comment on politics, etc. It can absolutely be disappointing to find out that you disagree fundamentally with an artist/celebrity about politics, but it's not the job of that artist/celebrity to manage your feelings about their opinions/actions. If you disagree to the extent that it's impossible to support/follow them, then you have to do what you feel is right. This is interesting because scrapbooking supplies are sort of a middleman business. Most art has had political/moral implications for years, but since scrapbooking supplies are something we use in our creative endeavors, we see it as a product that should reflect our desires. I'm not saying it shouldn't, but part of the privilege of a boutique shop like Kelly's is that she can design art/supplies that reflect her views. If it doesn't appeal to enough consumers and she goes out of her business, then that's her decision. I guess I see it sort of as the difference between buying clothes at Target versus haute couture: the people who design clothes at Target are no doubt talented, but I think it's probably more of a daily slog where they have to meet certain quotas/look at what will sell, whereas the haute couture designers are doing it as an expression of art/design, not to sell a certain number of units. (I totally buy clothes at Target and not haute couture, I'm just trying to make a point!) In this case, American Crafts/Echo Park/etc is Target and Kelly is haute couture. (And to Kelly's credit, she's also done a lot of designing for more "mainstream" companies like Basic Grey, Hero Arts and Pinkfresh, so that people who like her designs but don't agree with her politics can still participate.) Storytime: I recently saw a beautiful card on a manufacturer's website. I found the creator, looked at the pictures on her Instagram feed and thought I'd try following her since I liked her style. A few days later, she had some IG Stories up for the first time and imagine my surprise when they were about how we're all being lied to about COVID, etc. When I went to her page, I saw she had Story highlights about vaccinations (so she's anti-vaxx too). For about one second, I contemplated just muting her Stories so I could enjoy her cards, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized I didn't want to increase her platform's reach, so I unfollowed. I strongly disagree with her viewpoints and think they're dangerous to public health, but I know that a DM from a random follower about how wrong she is would be unlikely to change her viewpoint, so I did the thing within my control and unfollowed her.
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Post by amp on Jan 12, 2021 14:53:00 GMT
I agree with janamke that it isn't KP's job to make sure everyone's needs are accounted for. (The quote function is messing up on me for some reason!) I feel like this is supposed to be a strong point of the free market: there is SOMETHING out there for everyone, but not everything is for everyone. KP's political/moral beliefs are clearly very important to her, so I'm glad she incorporates them into her business. (Sidenote: I have to say that I rarely hear this sort of complaint about Christian-themed papercrafting products, even though those are by nature exclusionary too.) I also think this is something we see with people in the "arts," whether that's design, acting or crafting. There is an IG post that Elise Cripe recently linked to that spoke volumes to me. (I'm purposely linking it instead of embedding because I think it will anger some people, so as much as I think everyone should read it, I'm going to let people decide to do that on their own.) It's from a designer who gets told "stay in your lane" about politics and therefore gives "design tips" about politics/human rights. Also, someone commented on the post that if everyone "stayed in their lane," only politicians would be able to comment on politics, etc. It can absolutely be disappointing to find out that you disagree fundamentally with an artist/celebrity about politics, but it's not the job of that artist/celebrity to manage your feelings about their opinions/actions. If you disagree to the extent that it's impossible to support/follow them, then you have to do what you feel is right. This is interesting because scrapbooking supplies are sort of a middleman business. Most art has had political/moral implications for years, but since scrapbooking supplies are something we use in our creative endeavors, we see it as a product that should reflect our desires. I'm not saying it shouldn't, but part of the privilege of a boutique shop like Kelly's is that she can design art/supplies that reflect her views. If it doesn't appeal to enough consumers and she goes out of her business, then that's her decision. I guess I see it sort of as the difference between buying clothes at Target versus haute couture: the people who design clothes at Target are no doubt talented, but I think it's probably more of a daily slog where they have to meet certain quotas/look at what will sell, whereas the haute couture designers are doing it as an expression of art/design, not to sell a certain number of units. (I totally buy clothes at Target and not haute couture, I'm just trying to make a point!) In this case, American Crafts/Echo Park/etc is Target and Kelly is haute couture. (And to Kelly's credit, she's also done a lot of designing for more "mainstream" companies like Basic Grey, Hero Arts and Pinkfresh, so that people who like her designs but don't agree with her politics can still participate.) Storytime: I recently saw a beautiful card on a manufacturer's website. I found the creator, looked at the pictures on her Instagram feed and thought I'd try following her since I liked her style. A few days later, she had some IG Stories up for the first time and imagine my surprise when they were about how we're all being lied to about COVID, etc. When I went to her page, I saw she had Story highlights about vaccinations (so she's anti-vaxx too). For about one second, I contemplated just muting her Stories so I could enjoy her cards, but the more I thought about it, the more I realized I didn't want to increase her platform's reach, so I unfollowed. I strongly disagree with her viewpoints and think they're dangerous to public health, but I know that a DM from a random follower about how wrong she is would be unlikely to change her viewpoint, so I did the thing within my control and unfollowed her. I think you make some excellent points. I'm conservative, so not a fan of KP from the political stance. My main objection to political posts (and this goes for both liberal and conservative) is when they are mean. I don't like seeing one side put down the other. And yes, the President did a lot of that. Not cool. But Pelosi did a lot of that too. Also not cool. In a perfect world, people would state what they believe in, not what they loathe about the other side. Of course this isn't a perfect world... KP has a digital sticker, "Make America Kind Again." That is my thought!! (Thank you @northrigg for the correction. )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 15:21:46 GMT
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Post by starlight on Jan 12, 2021 16:34:36 GMT
have there been any previews of the next kit? It seems so close to the release..
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Post by jediannie on Jan 12, 2021 17:03:48 GMT
have there been any previews of the next kit? It seems so close to the release.. There was one that was just paper, I'm hopeful there's more to the kit besides paper.
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Post by jediannie on Jan 12, 2021 17:06:33 GMT
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Post by auntmimi on Jan 12, 2021 17:43:06 GMT
I unsubscribed from the kit. While I appreciate her unique current events designs, it's still really pricey for what you actually get in the kit. I had a discount code for the first three months, but I've not opened or used any of the product yet.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 12, 2021 20:40:41 GMT
I unsubscribed from the kit. While I appreciate her unique current events designs, it's still really pricey for what you actually get in the kit. I had a discount code for the first three months, but I've not opened or used any of the product yet. And I’ve used something from every kit so far. I haven’t bashed any kits completely but I’ve used the ‘current’ bits from every kit so far. Everyone is different! That said, I’ve used more than I ever did of the SC kits which just don’t fit my style at all. I’m sure eventually I’ll get burnt on her kits too, this month isn’t super exciting in the email but I’ll see what I feel in person. And I can thank her for the faces of many kinds of people paper that I used to represent people in my election inserts ( the “we are family” paper from the ‘this is family’ collection from Jen Hadfield at AC ). I really love that paper and wouldn’t have found it otherwise.
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Post by auntmimi on Jan 12, 2021 22:10:01 GMT
Oh, I plan to use her stuff eventually and I do love the diversity and current event angle. I just feel that over $30 for some sheets of paper, a small stamp set, and a few stickers is way too much.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 12, 2021 22:20:47 GMT
Oh, I plan to use her stuff eventually and I do love the diversity and current event angle. I just feel that over $30 for some sheets of paper, a small stamp set, and a few stickers is way too much. Ans yet 6x8 stamps are $17-$19 and up
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Post by chendra on Jan 13, 2021 0:03:28 GMT
There are more sneaks in her Instagram story today (1/12).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 0:51:08 GMT
There are more in her Instagram story today (1/12). Thanks! I'm excited for the small numbers and solid square. Its similar to a set on Jamaica's mini kit , which I was kicking myself for not getting .Perfect for numbering dd pages
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Post by hop2 on Jan 13, 2021 2:36:23 GMT
There are more in her Instagram story today (1/12). Thanks! I'm excited for the small numbers and solid square. Its similar to a set on Jamaica's mini kit , which I was kicking myself for not getting .Perfect for numbering dd pages Thank god. One thing I've noticed in the last 2 weeks is that all my numbers are bigger than i'd like for my planner. That will come in super handy.
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Post by honeypea on Jan 13, 2021 15:46:07 GMT
The stamp set is good. I’ve been wanting basic grids and boxes exactly like that. Just the right size too.
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Post by Skellinton on Jan 13, 2021 17:05:24 GMT
That stamp set is awesome. I know her kits seem expensive, but they are priced in line with AE and SC I think. KP includes much larger stamp sets. I will use just about every bit of a KP kit. If I were to buy a SC kit I would use maybe half of the product. SC stamp sets are puny and don’t have the longevity and versatility of a KP stamp.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 13, 2021 17:13:28 GMT
SC stamp sets are puny and don’t have the longevity and versatility of a KP stamp. True story. I need to do another purge...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 17:28:27 GMT
That stamp set is awesome. I know her kits seem expensive, but they are priced in line with AE and SC I think. KP includes much larger stamp sets. I will use just about every bit of a KP kit. If I were to buy a SC kit I would use maybe half of the product. SC stamp sets are puny and don’t have the longevity and versatility of a KP stamp. And you get the digital. Most of my SC kit stamps sit unused .
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Post by jediannie on Jan 13, 2021 20:46:31 GMT
SC stamp sets are puny and don’t have the longevity and versatility of a KP stamp. True story. I need to do another purge... I just went through and purged a bunch of old SC stamps and unused parts of kits but I've kept every single Kelly Purkey thing except for 2 that I had duplicates of and one that I didn't really like (it's the bakery one from a couple of years ago, i got it in a grab bag). And I sadly had to throw away all the flair from KP because it rusted.
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