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Post by pixiechick on Oct 5, 2020 22:31:59 GMT
I don't think that study is going to hold up for very long. The CU-Denver study from your article was not peer reviewed and they don't take into account that diagnosis from some cities' protests are not being counted because they went home to a different town and got diagnosed and counted there. So no uptick in COUNTED cases from those. They also say “We think that what’s going on is it’s the people who are not going to protest are staying away. The overall effect for the entire city is more social distancing because people are avoiding the protests.” Co-author of the paper, Andrew Friedson So they actually are raising the count, but at this time others who might normally be out and spreading too, aren't because it's too violent. In other words we're trading getting sick with Covid for beatings, shootings, burned out buildings and destroyed vehicles, blinded and murdered cops, destroyed lives, livelihoods and abandoned neighborhoods. And when we get the riots and terrorists under control and the peaceful protests continue as Kamala Harris and other Democratic leaders and news organizations are encouraging, they'll continue spreading the virus. I don't believe you can reasonably think that gathering in large groups, shoulder to shoulder with you don't know who has Covid, who has ignored how many safety protections, everyone shouting protest chants, possibly coughing all over the place from pepper spray or tear gas, that the virus won't get spread just because most people are wearing a mask. Grabbed from Fox News but reported everywhere (Miami Herald, CBS, NBC just to name a few...) "A spokesperson for Carlos A. Giménez, the mayor of Miami-Dade County, told Fox News on Sunday the protests were a "contributing factor" to the local coronavirus spike. Giménez "meets several times a week with his team of medical experts," the spokesperson, Patty Abril, responded in an email. "Those experts have told him that, based on information in our local emergency rooms, the protests were a contributing factor, along with our community letting its guard down and not social distancing or wearing masks, as mandated. Graduation parties, house parties and restaurants illegally turning into clubs after midnight all contributed to the spike." "Several big-city mayors and top officials are acknowledging that weeks of anti-police protests and riots may have contributed to surging coronavirus rates, weeks after Democrats and even some epidemiologists openly encouraged Black Lives Matter allies to demonstrate in the streets. Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti acknowledged that public protests likely were causing a coronavirus spike, just two days after claiming there wasn't "any conclusive evidence" showing a connection between the two.
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Post by birukitty on Oct 5, 2020 22:36:45 GMT
Do you think the SS would be expected to do their jobs with less than the nurses have? WE ARE STILL REUSING N95s. GOWNS ARE RECYCLED. THERE ARE NO MORE WIPES, WE HAVE SPRAY AND WASHCLOTHS WITH A TEN MINUTE KILL TIME. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH NEGATIVE PRESSURE ROOMS SO PATIENTS WITH KNOWN COVID ARE IN REGULAR ROOMS ON ALL FLOORS. Thank you. As a nurse that has had to wear a damn trash bag for PPE... I am outraged. For everyone in that circus that has been forced to be in contact with this asshole. Unless you work with it, you have NO IDEA the lengths we go to, to prevent the spread to patients and ourselves and our loved ones. As I mentioned earlier, my SO has a reoccurrence of cancer that has metastasized everywhere. My WORST FEAR is to bring it home to him. I'm stripping in the garage, scrubs straight to wash, immediately to the shower, we sleep apart, I scrub everything constantly. And I fear every day I will lose him. EVERY DAY. I am enraged that this piece of shit president has made it into "No big deal." "Best I've felt in 20 years!" He doesn't care about anyone but himself. 200k dead, "It is what it is." Fuck you Trump. Yes I'm angry. I apologize. The weight of the world seems to be on my shoulders. I'm stressed. I'm worried. I'm sad. No. I don't think any of this nor did I mean for this thread to go in this direction. My sympathies lie 100% with out brave and dedicated health care workers who have worked so tirelessly throughout this pandemic with little or no PPE mostly because of the inept and complete negligence of this imbecilic, moronic and narcissistic "person" who is at this time leading our country. The only reason I brought up the subject of the SS men getting into the hermetically sealed car with the big Cheeto was because of my suspicions of him not having Covid in the first place. If he doesn't have it then there is no danger to them climbing in with him into that sealed car. Get it? If he does have it then yes I suppose with a mask they'd be safe if they followed all of the precautions, but were they wearing them when it happened? I don't know because I didn't watch any of the footage. I too am enraged that this waste of an excuse of a human being is walking around saying it's no big deal and it's the best he's felt in 20 years. He is a true narcissist. If it doesn't benefit him or make him look great he's not interested.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 5, 2020 22:39:22 GMT
I have doubted all this all along but I don't think your point about SS quitting is valid. What do you think nurses do every day? Believe me I've had plenty of exposure wearing nothing but a surgical mask. Certainly they would have N95s, IDK, have you seen otherwise? And you change your clothes before you go home, put those clothes into the washer and shower when you arrive. I certainly wouldn't give up what is probably a pretty good paying job just because of Covid. I just knew this would be a way for the Republicans to let everyone know Hey, it's no big deal, look at how easily I've survived! He's despicable. I am highly highly suspicious of the timing of all of this. But did the SS guys wear masks? I thought everyone around him didn't wear masks. If they were allowed to wear masks then yes, of course I agree with what you've posted. If they are not permitted to wear masks, or didn't then that makes me more suspicious that Trump doesn't actually have Covid. I didn't watch any of the live coverage or any of the video afterwards, so I didn't get a look at whether the SS guys had on masks or not. The secret service agents that were visible in the car were wearing masks. I believe the whole no one around him wore masks was prediagnosis as you could also see when he was transported to Walter Reed everyone in the helicopter were wearing masks. While the risk may not have been different than those our first responders face - the fact that it was unnecessary makes it different in my mind. I wish that good PPE wasn't still an issue and truly thank the medical personnel who continue to do their job in these conditions. I would hope that anyone positive would do their part by not adding to the risk of those around them to drive around the block.
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Post by elaine on Oct 5, 2020 22:42:44 GMT
Funniest question of the night:
Reporter (as Trump was walking to the SUV): Mr. President, what do you think about being a possible Super Spreader of the Coronavirus?
Trump: <crickets>
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Post by sam9 on Oct 5, 2020 22:44:58 GMT
I was wishing so hard for him to fall down the stairs. Is that wrong?
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 5, 2020 22:46:25 GMT
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Post by purplebee on Oct 5, 2020 22:48:42 GMT
I was wishing so hard for him to fall down the stairs. Is that wrong? Now I don’t feel alone... And IMHO, you are not wrong!
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Post by katlady on Oct 5, 2020 22:50:09 GMT
I am surprised that he is being discharged today. However I don’t think he never had COVID. I think this is him once again thinking he understands medicine more than the doctors. He doesn’t understand the effects of the steroid. He announced the discharge to force it to happen. He’ll either end up back at Walter Reed in about 2 days (if he actually leaves today) or he will be miserable at the White House trying to keep up appearances. IMO, he and his enablers think they can control the situation better from the White House. But that way could be very dangerous. The White House has a pretty extensive medical facility in house with I think I read somewhere 22 staff. Yes, him going back to the WH is not like us common folks being discharged and sent back home. He’ll have nurses and doctors and monitoring equipment at his disposal.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 5, 2020 22:58:48 GMT
Can you please let Gia crawl back into the fucking hole she's been in the last few days? Why do you bother to engage with that moron?
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 5, 2020 23:00:37 GMT
The last line of this made me laugh. Trump will not take up jogging lol.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 5, 2020 23:10:58 GMT
Thank you. As a nurse that has had to wear a damn trash bag for PPE... I am outraged. For everyone in that circus that has been forced to be in contact with this asshole. Unless you work with it, you have NO IDEA the lengths we go to, to prevent the spread to patients and ourselves and our loved ones. As I mentioned earlier, my SO has a reoccurrence of cancer that has metastasized everywhere. My WORST FEAR is to bring it home to him. I'm stripping in the garage, scrubs straight to wash, immediately to the shower, we sleep apart, I scrub everything constantly. And I fear every day I will lose him. EVERY DAY. I am enraged that this piece of shit president has made it into "No big deal." "Best I've felt in 20 years!" He doesn't care about anyone but himself. 200k dead, "It is what it is." Fuck you Trump. Yes I'm angry. I apologize. The weight of the world seems to be on my shoulders. I'm stressed. I'm worried. I'm sad. No. I don't think any of this nor did I mean for this thread to go in this direction. My sympathies lie 100% with out brave and dedicated health care workers who have worked so tirelessly throughout this pandemic with little or no PPE mostly because of the inept and complete negligence of this imbecilic, moronic and narcissistic "person" who is at this time leading our country. The only reason I brought up the subject of the SS men getting into the hermetically sealed car with the big Cheeto was because of my suspicions of him not having Covid in the first place. If he doesn't have it then there is no danger to them climbing in with him into that sealed car. Get it? If he does have it then yes I suppose with a mask they'd be safe if they followed all of the precautions, but were they wearing them when it happened? I don't know because I didn't watch any of the footage. I too am enraged that this waste of an excuse of a human being is walking around saying it's no big deal and it's the best he's felt in 20 years. He is a true narcissist. If it doesn't benefit him or make him look great he's not interested. Masks are not 100% effective.
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Post by heather on Oct 5, 2020 23:58:30 GMT
Our local newscaster just announced that he tested positive for Covid after covering the debate in Cleveland. You know, the one where the Trump family refused to wear masks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 0:05:32 GMT
First and foremost he is a con and a grifter and saw a situation that he could exploit. I believe Nikki Haley Hope Hicks and all the others do have it but he does not. When Haley Hicks came down with it he did what a con does. It was a perfect opportunity to play sick and to get sympathy and get the focus off of his taxes, that debate and Melanoma's tape-gate. It is working like a charm. Since claiming he is infected there has been not one mention of that ridiculous debate, Melania's tape-gate or his taxes. I don't believe he has COVID-19. He'll have to die to prove it to me. ETA: Hope Hicks not Nikki Haley. I have been grappling with deciding if he has it or not. I think this hits the nail on the head. And this is the theory I would bet on. It makes sense why they can't get their facts straight. They are lying out of their asses per usual. Why he's not sicker than he should be with all of his underlying health issues and age, it makes sense. This just connects the dots for me. And I would also bet that Melania isn't positive either.
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Post by pixiechick on Oct 6, 2020 0:14:38 GMT
Do you think the SS would be expected to do their jobs with less than the nurses have? WE ARE STILL REUSING N95s. GOWNS ARE RECYCLED. THERE ARE NO MORE WIPES, WE HAVE SPRAY AND WASHCLOTHS WITH A TEN MINUTE KILL TIME. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH NEGATIVE PRESSURE ROOMS SO PATIENTS WITH KNOWN COVID ARE IN REGULAR ROOMS ON ALL FLOORS. Thank you. As a nurse that has had to wear a damn trash bag for PPE... I am outraged. For everyone in that circus that has been forced to be in contact with this asshole. Unless you work with it, you have NO IDEA the lengths we go to, to prevent the spread to patients and ourselves and our loved ones. As I mentioned earlier, my SO has a reoccurrence of cancer that has metastasized everywhere. My WORST FEAR is to bring it home to him. I'm stripping in the garage, scrubs straight to wash, immediately to the shower, we sleep apart, I scrub everything constantly. And I fear every day I will lose him. EVERY DAY. I am enraged that this piece of shit president has made it into "No big deal." "Best I've felt in 20 years!" He doesn't care about anyone but himself. 200k dead, "It is what it is." Fuck you Trump. Yes I'm angry. I apologize. The weight of the world seems to be on my shoulders. I'm stressed. I'm worried. I'm sad. Thank you for doing what you do. I'm sorry the weight of the world is on your shoulders and you have to worry so. It's not fair. I'm sorry that trump is an asshole that won't take this seriously. It makes absolutely no sense and I just have no words for this.
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 6, 2020 0:16:52 GMT
Can you please let Gia crawl back into the fucking hole she's been in the last few days? Why do you bother to engage with that moron? I don’t get it, either. Same shit, different name.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 6, 2020 0:24:41 GMT
Sorry, but working in a hospital and being in a small enclosed space in a hermetically sealed vehicle protected against a chemical attack is not the same thing. I have not seen pictures but I doubt the secret service agents had gowns, gloves, face shields or eyeglasses. I’m married to a nurse practitioner who worked in a covid testing center this spring so I understand the risks to health care workers. But, I think health care workers and the secret service agents are apples and oranges. I think the general public has this idea that we in the hospital are in full PPE with some kind of negative pressure super ventilation throughout the entire place. It's not. Do you think the SS would be expected to do their jobs with less than the nurses have? WE ARE STILL REUSING N95s. GOWNS ARE RECYCLED. THERE ARE NO MORE WIPES, WE HAVE SPRAY AND WASHCLOTHS WITH A TEN MINUTE KILL TIME. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH NEGATIVE PRESSURE ROOMS SO PATIENTS WITH KNOWN COVID ARE IN REGULAR ROOMS ON ALL FLOORS. I can't tell you enough times how we were screwed over and continue to be screwed over but no one listens. I'm quite sure the SS will have eye protection, N95s, and gloves/hand sanitizer as needed unless you can prove otherwise. A car is no worse than doing a complete bed change and bed bath. They're simply sharing air space, not providing patient care. I'M NOT DEFENDING THAT PIECE OF CRAP but I'm sure tired of hearing about the SS and how hospitals are so much safer than anywhere else. What we need are more supplies and I can't believe it's still a problem, months into this shit. Wherever these magical infection-free hospitals are, I want to know. I’m sorry that you don’t have adequate protection. The hospital where my husband works is sanitizing masks, so I do understand the shortage of PPE. I’m sorry for you and all of the other health care workers working under those conditions. I hope the Secret Service agents had adequate protection. The only point that I was trying to make is that there is a difference between a hospital environment and an enclosed space, hermetically sealed and built to protect from chemical warfare from the inside. The air is being recirculated in a sealed enclosed space. Furthermore, Trump endangered the lives of the secret service, all for a publicity stunt. It was completely unnecessary. It is possible for both situations to be wrong and unacceptable.
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Post by craftykitten on Oct 6, 2020 0:32:07 GMT
I'm only seeing short clips on twitter, but he does not look well at all.
And just adding my thanks to all the nurses and staff working in awful conditions without adequate PPE, putting yourselves and your families at risk. It shouldn't be this way.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 6, 2020 0:33:25 GMT
The last line of this made me laugh. Trump will not take up jogging lol. He *might* try to jog away from the cuffs he might be facing, but he won't get far.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 6, 2020 0:40:13 GMT
Can you please let Gia crawl back into the fucking hole she's been in the last few days? Why do you bother to engage with that moron? I don’t get it, either. Same shit, different name. Ditto. Gave up a long time ago and never looked back.
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Post by prapea on Oct 6, 2020 0:40:43 GMT
[quote author=" iamkristinl16" source="/post/3113956/thread" timestamp="1601939458". [/quote]Masks are not 100% effective. [/quote] Do you have a medical degree? Are you a scientist doing research right now on this? Did you have your 40 year old friend drop dead two months ago with Covid? Did you have 10 of your relatives die since March of this year? If the answer is no to even one of the above questions, then please stop saying that masks are not 100% effective. We are in this shot because of so called smart people who cannot be bothered to simple little thing to keep everyone alive.
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Post by Zee on Oct 6, 2020 0:43:25 GMT
I think the general public has this idea that we in the hospital are in full PPE with some kind of negative pressure super ventilation throughout the entire place. It's not. Do you think the SS would be expected to do their jobs with less than the nurses have? WE ARE STILL REUSING N95s. GOWNS ARE RECYCLED. THERE ARE NO MORE WIPES, WE HAVE SPRAY AND WASHCLOTHS WITH A TEN MINUTE KILL TIME. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH NEGATIVE PRESSURE ROOMS SO PATIENTS WITH KNOWN COVID ARE IN REGULAR ROOMS ON ALL FLOORS. I can't tell you enough times how we were screwed over and continue to be screwed over but no one listens. I'm quite sure the SS will have eye protection, N95s, and gloves/hand sanitizer as needed unless you can prove otherwise. A car is no worse than doing a complete bed change and bed bath. They're simply sharing air space, not providing patient care. I'M NOT DEFENDING THAT PIECE OF CRAP but I'm sure tired of hearing about the SS and how hospitals are so much safer than anywhere else. What we need are more supplies and I can't believe it's still a problem, months into this shit. Wherever these magical infection-free hospitals are, I want to know. I’m sorry that you don’t have adequate protection. The hospital where my husband works is sanitizing masks, so I do understand the shortage of PPE. I’m sorry for you and all of the other health care workers working under those conditions. I hope the Secret Service agents had adequate protection. The only point that I was trying to make is that there is a difference between a hospital environment and an enclosed space, hermetically sealed and built to protect from chemical warfare from the inside. The air is being recirculated in a sealed enclosed space. Furthermore, Trump endangered the lives of the secret service, all for a publicity stunt. It was completely unnecessary. It is possible for both situations to be wrong and unacceptable. It's exactly the same, in a small room without negative pressure, except I'm more exposed by having to perform patient care and i bet they're not expected to reuse PPE or spray stuff down and try to keep it wet for a full ten minutes to achieve kill time. Lol it's all so ridiculous. But I'm not here to say how heroic we are, I'm just a little tired of the public thinking we have this magically safe environment. We don't. It's better in dedicated Covid ICUs where the nurses never come out of PPE and there are negative pressure rooms, but it's still not acceptable all across the country. Someone upthread mentioned complaining loudly. To whom? We've done that since the beginning, no one cares, I'm still not dead so I guess I'll continue to soldier on and hope that one day I'll have Cavi Wipes again. It's the little things.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 6, 2020 1:01:02 GMT
I was on steroids once, I was so amped up I barely slept and had tons of energy, but damn, I was cranky too. I think the doctor said he would be getting one more dose tonight or tomorrow, I think that is when they will see how he is really doing. I wonder if he declines if they will give him more and what point they will stop. The steroids I was on they had to taper me off over several days, these must be different though since they don’t seem to be doing that? I actually see them keeping him on steroids until after the election. He will stay amped up and lively. Can you imagine him at a rally? That will be a look at me, I’ve never felt better vs a sleepy Joe. No one cares about us actual health, they just want Trump to win. Now once he’s off the roids, that’s another story. If Trump burns out on steroids after the election and the Reps end up with Pence, they'll probably be thrilled to death. Trump is a huge albatross at this point, but the party can't afford to publicly ditch him because it's unknown whether the core Trump cult will follow Pence as devoutly, and the GOP needs those voters.
It's dicey, though, because Pence has a brain and a smidgen of morals/conscience (skewed as they are, IMO). He won't be as easy to manipulate with promises of a rally or thirty minutes in front of the cameras during prime time.
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Post by Gennifer on Oct 6, 2020 1:35:07 GMT
I don't think that study is going to hold up for very long. Did you read the whole article? I can’t speak to other areas, but in my state, where contact tracing was very vigorous, they had only 5 cases where it was *possibly* caught at a protest. Out of over 4,600.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 6, 2020 1:44:20 GMT
[quote author=" iamkristinl16 " source="/post/3113956/thread" timestamp="1601939458". Masks are not 100% effective. [/quote] Do you have a medical degree? Are you a scientist doing research right now on this? Did you have your 40 year old friend drop dead two months ago with Covid? Did you have 10 of your relatives die since March of this year? If the answer is no to even one of the above questions, then please stop saying that masks are not 100% effective. We are in this shot because of so called smart people who cannot be bothered to simple little thing to keep everyone alive. [/quote] Quote feature is messed up on this post, but here's my response:
I think you misinterpreted kristin's post. I don't think she is anti-mask. She was merely pointing out that the SS agents were still at risk being in that hermetically sealed vehicle with Covid positive Trump.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 6, 2020 2:04:24 GMT
The White House has a pretty extensive medical facility in house with I think I read somewhere 22 staff. Yes, him going back to the WH is not like us common folks being discharged and sent back home. He’ll have nurses and doctors and monitoring equipment at his disposal. Thank goodness he paid $750 in income tax.
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Post by Zee on Oct 6, 2020 2:17:15 GMT
Yes, him going back to the WH is not like us common folks being discharged and sent back home. He’ll have nurses and doctors and monitoring equipment at his disposal. Thank goodness he paid $750 in income tax. Sucking off the government teat!
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Post by pjaye on Oct 6, 2020 2:27:32 GMT
I just listened to this:
Such a horrible man, no insight no responsibility no accountability and telling us all how amazing he is every step of the way.
*ETA: I forgot to add my total disgust at him saying disgust of "don't let it beat you", with that statement he's really blaming 210,000 people for their own deaths. They were weak, they let this virus beat/dominate them and if they didn't do that they'd still be alive. I really can't think of any words descriptive enough to convey how much I hate this man.
I just wish he would drop dead.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 6, 2020 2:28:01 GMT
Thank goodness he paid $750 in income tax. Sucking off the government teat! Sheesh. Those drug therapies alone not counting all the other expenses! Then has the freakin’ nerve to yell SOCIALISM!! every time he sees a Dem. SOB.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 6, 2020 2:36:35 GMT
[quote author=" iamkristinl16 " source="/post/3113956/thread" timestamp="1601939458". Masks are not 100% effective. Do you have a medical degree? Are you a scientist doing research right now on this? Did you have your 40 year old friend drop dead two months ago with Covid? Did you have 10 of your relatives die since March of this year? If the answer is no to even one of the above questions, then please stop saying that masks are not 100% effective. We are in this shot because of so called smart people who cannot be bothered to simple little thing to keep everyone alive. [/quote] Quote feature is messed up on this post, but here's my response:
I think you misinterpreted kristin's post. I don't think she is anti-mask. She was merely pointing out that the SS agents were still at risk being in that hermetically sealed vehicle with Covid positive Trump.[/quote] This was my take on this as well. Masks help but drs even in full PPE have contracted Covid. I’m glad they at least had masks and hope they don’t catch it. I didn’t read that as anti mask at all just a statement. I’m for as many layers of protection as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 2:39:18 GMT
Yes, him going back to the WH is not like us common folks being discharged and sent back home. He’ll have nurses and doctors and monitoring equipment at his disposal. Thank goodness he paid $750 in income tax. He is a perfect example of the type of SPONGER that Trumpies hate - when it's anyone but their cult leader.
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