POTUS election results thread

Maybe not.  I have a good feeling about WI.  

As far as the vote count, I do too. I hold out hope. But the ugly that has reared its head of late, seemingly proud of that ugly, won't be going away anytime soon. My opinion of people I thought to be good people has changed by what they have said and supported as of late. Lots and lots of ugly and/or ok with ignoring it. Saddens me deeply.

How much longer does Trump have to live? He's 74 and not exactly in great health. 8 years would take him to 82. Without him, I'm not sure how much aura remains around the rest of his family. Factor in the fact that the Republicans have actual politicians lining up in the shadows and waiting to pounce as soon as the coast is clear and I don't think it's super likely to happen.

What's more likely to happen is the quick erosion of bipartism as it's been happening all over the world. Not sure the US are prepared for that because that might also mean the rise of a legitimate extreme right party. The overal political landscape is about to change once and for all beyond Republicans vs Democrats. That unstability is hard to live through (my country's in the midst of it) and comes with a lot of uncertainty.

GA still in play. If we get that it'll give us another path and breathing room. Keep the faith, people.

But didn't USPS say they'd deliver even if belated?  I thought it was okay with Judge S?

I don't actually think it's mind-blowing.  First, I think there are a bunch of people who think the fastest way to life going back to normal is through GOP victories, especially, at the state level.  They ARE scared of the economic ruin, and the seductive, quick fix is if there are no COVID restrictions, things go back to normal, and businesses will be saved.  We might recognize it as wishful thinking, but we can't pretend that convincing people that more effective solution for the economy is to shut parts of it down, isn't a hard thing to do. 

In addition, lots of people believe life is a zero sum game, and Trump believes it on a monster scale and knew how to tap into that. If someone else wins, than that means you have to lose. Most people look around at their life and feel its hardships, so if one side says, "All people should have healthcare," What many people hear is "I have healthcare already, so I get nothing other than higher taxes, because somebody has to pay for it, and rich people never do." I think people are scared of taxes a little more than usual this year.  Traditionally, Democrats have done a poor job of communicating how helping "people not like you" helps "people like you."  Pre-existing conditions is like the only thing that has gotten through as helpful for them, helpful for me.  But GOP voters don't yet believe that GOP politicians will actually take it away, or their social security, or their Medicare.

The GOP is very good at controlling the message.  For example, making the ACA narrative before the vote, about death panels and free gender reassignment surgeries.  In 2018, it was scaring people about trans-rights and men stalking women in bathrooms.  This year it was about socialism.  People got scared about what else they would have to give up, in a year where so much has been taken away, and they can't afford to give up anything.  Four years ago, I said the Democrats haven't learned their lesson: people want someone who they think will fight for them, and fight hard.  Biden may have been able to overcome that which his empathy and hard knocks of life, but Democrats in general do not engender that sort of response.  Say what you will about the GOP, they fight with everything.  So while we see lies and breaking of norms, others see someone fighting like hell.

That said, I am very disappointed in the Senate vote, and the lack of the repudiation.  However, more people voted in this election in a century, and at the end of the day I think that's good.  We can see how much work there is still to do, when we were pretty blind about the reality before. And there has been movement in places.  If Georgia flips, that's huge, and there is growth in many of the sun belt metros.  Maybe, not enough for this time, but something that must be built on. I moved to Colorado 12 years ago, and by then it was already purplish.  I'm sure lifetime Coloradans can explain how red, red this state was, and this election really cemented that it is another solid brick in the  Western blue wall.  Arizona, I think will do the same, and we'll see what happens in future years in Texas if Democrats can figure out how to improve with Latino voters.

One thing I was thinking, while watching all the other Senate seats fail, is how much money was raised by Democrats this cycle, and what if there was a way to spend that money in those states making people's lives better more directly.  I don't know HOW to do that though.

I know I am not in the know when it comes down to the nitty gritty details but have been wondering why everyone is stressing.  Seems like a Biden win to me. What am I missing?

I think maybe some are stressing because a few of the remaining battleground states are tight.  But there are tons more votes to count.  PA alone has 1.4 million absentee ballots to go through.

Because it was expected to be highly unlikely that Trump would win, 538 had about a 10% chance, and all night long his chances have been getting better and better. He still has a not tiny chance and it being this close is so demoralizing and sad and frustrating and crappy and...

Also, the Senate was most likely (3 out of 4) to go Blue and now that’s not looking good. 

"Republican David Andahl, who died from COVID-19 in October, has been elected to the North Dakota House of Representatives”

Now there’s a shock. 🙄 I remember when the post office functioned well. Life under Trump.

After the polls closed and it was announced that the 🐢 had won re-election and trump had won the states of Kentucky and Indiana I decided nope, not going to sit glued to MSNBC watching the results.  So I had my own version of a news blackout until this morning.

I saw the dead candidate winning before, and didn't comment, but this is not something for people to angst over. Most states have rules regarding candidate's deaths. North Dakota didn't have a pre-existing rule, but they made one. People didn't vote for the "dead guy," they voted for "the GOP can temporarily name a replacement until North Dakota has a special election with a new GOP candidate." In North Dakota, it makes sense that voters would chose that over a Democrat.