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Post by gar on Jan 1, 2021 0:13:46 GMT
because of being "pro-life". Not terribly pro life is he, deliberately making life saving vaccines ineffective  |
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Post by Laurie on Jan 1, 2021 1:05:36 GMT
Hmm my mind didn’t go to political intentions. I wondered if she was going to try to sell the vaccine or administer it for a fee. If it is the Moderna one she didn’t need special equipment. I’m sure the motive will come out in the upcoming days. She didn't steal them. She took them out of the freezer then left them out past the use by time. They were the Moderna ones. This was the first report but she then confessed she did it intentionally according to a later reportMy thought was she went in to legitimately get the vaccine and while she had already entered the code for legitimate purposes she took out a tray or package of the vaccine and sat them aside to take when she was done distributing the legitimate need for the vaccine. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 1, 2021 1:08:51 GMT
She's a he, a pharmacist! Arrested and being held!
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Post by gsquaredmom on Jan 1, 2021 1:57:38 GMT
She didn't steal them. She took them out of the freezer then left them out past the use by time. They were the Moderna ones. This was the first report but she then confessed she did it intentionally according to a later reportMy thought was she went in to legitimately get the vaccine and while she had already entered the code for legitimate purposes she took out a tray or package of the vaccine and sat them aside to take when she was done distributing the legitimate need for the vaccine. Unfortunately, no. Turns out it was a pharmacist who wanted to render that set ineffective with the intention to vaccinate people with an ineffective vaccine. And it’s a he. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 2:00:51 GMT
She didn't steal them. She took them out of the freezer then left them out past the use by time. They were the Moderna ones. This was the first report but she then confessed she did it intentionally according to a later reportMy thought was she went in to legitimately get the vaccine and while she had already entered the code for legitimate purposes she took out a tray or package of the vaccine and sat them aside to take when she was done distributing the legitimate need for the vaccine. That is what it sounded like from the first report and then he confessed that he did intentionally do so in the second report. I can't understand why anyone would be so cruel as to do this and put someone's life at risk whatever their belief on vaccinations was. And why would someone sacrifice their whole career in doing so. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Jan 1, 2021 2:01:23 GMT
A pharmacist?! What on earth would his motive be?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 1, 2021 2:33:27 GMT
Do they know for sure this didn’t happen with any other vaccines at that hospital?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 1, 2021 2:44:52 GMT
Do g dh know for sure this didn’t happen with any other vaccines at that hospital? Good question that needs to be answered and quickly!! |
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Post by cade387 on Jan 1, 2021 3:13:55 GMT
I still don’t understand the end game in making people suspect the effectiveness of the vaccine. Is he going to short sell Moderna stock or something? I know he probably isn’t thinking rationally but what is the line of thought from what he did to a desired outcome?
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 1, 2021 3:55:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 4:02:15 GMT
A pharmacist?! What on earth would his motive be? Who knows with these irrationals? Maybe because some have heard that the vaccine is made from aborted fetuses (it's not, 2 of the vaccines were TESTED w/cell cloned from fetal cells from the 70's). Maybe he's anti-vax. Maybe he thinks it's a Gate conspiracy to chip us all. The question is HOW DO WE STOP CREATING MORONIC THINKERS? ps - the importance of pharmacists in the roll-out of the vaccine: "The role of pharmacists in the vaccine rollout is especially crucial in rural areas, he says, because oftentimes small town pharmacists are the only health care professionals available for miles and miles. For the vaccine deployment, CVS is hiring more than 1,500 pharmacists, as well as pharmacy technicians and nurses in places like Ohio, Kentucky and Indiana — and that’s just their efforts in one part of the country. Demand for pharmacists is high. Hogue says he believes there will be enough professionals available to meet the needs, especially if student pharmacists are involved in the effort." www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/12/17/pharmacists-coronavirus-vaccine |
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Post by Lexica on Jan 1, 2021 4:54:27 GMT
I am happy to see he has been arrested and that they have published his name. What kind of screwed up thinking would make someone throw away their career like this? There is some mental health issues going on here, I would think. It isn't like he would ever know what happened with the people after they were given the useless vaccine. Where is the payoff for him? Just knowing he cheated some people out of the vaccine?
It also makes me wonder if he is capable of destroying these vaccines, what else has he tampered with during his career? This is some really F'd up thinking and I'm happy that he will be prosecuted and put in prison. I wonder how he will be treated in prison when the other prisoners who are at high risk of Covid due to their living conditions discover what he did. It would also be sweet justice if he contracts the virus in prison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 12:25:29 GMT
I don't know much about The Daily Beast but if there is a shred of truth in their reporting these anti- vaxxers need to be stopped someway. They're putting innocent lives at risk with their conspiracy theories  No one has died in England or anywhere else for that matter as a result of having the vaccine. Two healthcare workers had a reaction to it but were totally fine within a matter of hours. It turns out that they did suffer from allergic reactions and were used to carrying an epi pen. It was immediately reported and action was taken, There have been no other reports. What the heck is wrong with these people  |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 1, 2021 12:58:45 GMT
I know there are a lot of good nurses, but the pandemic has shown me that nurses can lack common sense as much as anyone. I have a few nurse friends on Facebook who are very much in the “there are worse things” camp. And several others who say things like “I have a friend who is a nurse and she says the virus is no big deal”. And of course the “nurses for Trump” yard signs. dhbpicks up shifts at a hospital run by a catholic entity. The amount of staff there that is antivaccine shocked him. I don't know if it is because it is a more conservative population or what Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. |
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Post by wellway on Jan 1, 2021 13:05:49 GMT
dhbpicks up shifts at a hospital run by a catholic entity. The amount of staff there that is antivaccine shocked him. I don't know if it is because it is a more conservative population or what Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. I read that Spain will make a note of those who refuse the vaccine when offered and share the list with other EU states. BBC, Part of article Spain is to set up a register of people who refuse to be vaccinated against coronavirus and share it with other European Union nations, the health minister has said. Salvador Illa said the list would not be made accessible to the public or to employers. He said the way to defeat the virus was "to vaccinate all of us - the more the better". Spain has been one of the countries in Europe worst affected by the virus. It is currently rolling out the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine which was approved for EU member states last week. What are the Christmas restrictions around Europe? Covid vaccine approved for use in EU's 27 states In an interview with La Sexta television on Monday, Mr Illa emphasised that vaccination would not be mandatory. "What will be done is a register, which will be shared with our European partners... of those people who have been offered it and have simply rejected it," he said. "It is not a document which will be made public and it will be done with the utmost respect for data protection." He added: "People who are offered a therapy that they refuse for any reason, it will be noted in the register... that there is no error in the system, not to have given this person the possibility of being vaccinated." According to a recent poll, the number of Spanish citizens who have said they will not take the vaccine has fallen to 28% from 47% in November. |
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Post by wellway on Jan 1, 2021 13:19:38 GMT
I know there are a lot of good nurses, but the pandemic has shown me that nurses can lack common sense as much as anyone. I have a few nurse friends on Facebook who are very much in the “there are worse things” camp. And several others who say things like “I have a friend who is a nurse and she says the virus is no big deal”. And of course the “nurses for Trump” yard signs. dhbpicks up shifts at a hospital run by a catholic entity. The amount of staff there that is antivaccine shocked him. I don't know if it is because it is a more conservative population or what Just before Christmas I saw this report where the Pope said it was morally acceptable for Catholics to have this vaccine. Perhaps the cell lines aspect is in their decision process BBC The use of Covid-19 vaccines developed using cell lines derived from aborted foetuses is "morally acceptable", the Catholic Church announced on Monday. In the absence of any alternative, such vaccines "can be used in good conscience", the Vatican said. It added that this would "not constitute formal co-operation" with the terminations that took place. Several vaccine candidates were developed using cells derived from foetuses aborted decades ago. However, no foetal cells are present in any of the vaccines. Www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55409693 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 13:21:20 GMT
dhbpicks up shifts at a hospital run by a catholic entity. The amount of staff there that is antivaccine shocked him. I don't know if it is because it is a more conservative population or what Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. Qantas the Australian airline has already made that rule. It was reported at the end of November LINK |
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Post by luckyexwife on Jan 1, 2021 14:27:18 GMT
I didn't realize they administered some of the tampered with vaccine. Now they will have to get the first dose again!
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Post by cade387 on Jan 1, 2021 14:35:23 GMT
dhbpicks up shifts at a hospital run by a catholic entity. The amount of staff there that is antivaccine shocked him. I don't know if it is because it is a more conservative population or what Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. I am not anti vax but I really hate the idea of people having to carry papers (or wear an arm band for example) for who has the vaccine or not. It is a level of government control that is opening a door for me that I’m not quite comfortable with. Gattaca type feelings come to mind. As I said, I’m going to get the vaccine as is my family (when safe) but I have never been a fan or forcing them on people so I’m conflicted right now. For example, the vaccine hasn’t been tested on kids so it isn’t safe for them to get it yet. Their school (private) is considering forcing them to get it to attend. Will their have been trials by then? We will get it when their pedi says it is safe to get it. Also my DH is allergic to penicillin and they have stated he should wait a bit to get it and I know some in his family who have had organ transplants are still not being given the all clear to get it. Can we not see them over the summer because medically they should not get the vaccine? Are we going to marginalize those who can’t get it? Lots of feelings all tied up with wanting the vaccine to really work and this all to be as far behind us as it can be. |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Jan 1, 2021 14:44:42 GMT
dhbpicks up shifts at a hospital run by a catholic entity. The amount of staff there that is antivaccine shocked him. I don't know if it is because it is a more conservative population or what Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. I don’t think airlines will require proof, a lot of them don’t even enforce social distancing and some don’t even enforce mask policies when passengers take them off on the plane. Some do, some don’t. They won’t want to take the financial hit by requiring proof of vaccination. I am wondering if companies will require proof of vaccination. Every year my company provides us flu shots. I will be getting the vaccine when it becomes available to me. I know many first responders that have had it already, I’m just waiting my turn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 15:07:26 GMT
What the heck is wrong with these people They have been taught that their BELIEFS! are as valid as other people's data/facts/evidence. We are reaping what we have sown for 50 years in mollycoddling beliefs over reality. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 1, 2021 15:16:48 GMT
Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. I am not anti vax but I really hate the idea of people having to carry papers (or wear an arm band for example) for who has the vaccine or not. It is a level of government control that is opening a door for me that I’m not quite comfortable with. Gattaca type feelings come to mind. As I said, I’m going to get the vaccine as is my family (when safe) but I have never been a fan or forcing them on people so I’m conflicted right now. For example, the vaccine hasn’t been tested on kids so it isn’t safe for them to get it yet. Their school (private) is considering forcing them to get it to attend. Will their have been trials by then? We will get it when their pedi says it is safe to get it. Also my DH is allergic to penicillin and they have stated he should wait a bit to get it and I know some in his family who have had organ transplants are still not being given the all clear to get it. Can we not see them over the summer because medically they should not get the vaccine? Are we going to marginalize those who can’t get it? Lots of feelings all tied up with wanting the vaccine to really work and this all to be as far behind us as it can be. I don’t like it either, but if a lot of people refuse the vaccine, this virus will continue to circulate. Vaccines will be required by businesses-I don’t know about schools-not the govt. People are free to decline, but will not get to use/work for those businesses. I have no idea what will happen with children or people who cannot have it for medical reasons. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 1, 2021 15:21:15 GMT
Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. I don’t think airlines will require proof, a lot of them don’t even enforce social distancing and some don’t even enforce mask policies when passengers take them off on the plane. Some do, some don’t. They won’t want to take the financial hit by requiring proof of vaccination. I am wondering if companies will require proof of vaccination. Every year my company provides us flu shots. I will be getting the vaccine when it becomes available to me. I know many first responders that have had it already, I’m just waiting my turn. No one really knows. I have read that businesses are probably going to require it, since the govt. cannot. But it is all speculation at this point. I suspect that many companies will require it for the safety of their employees. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 1, 2021 15:49:45 GMT
Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. I am not anti vax but I really hate the idea of people having to carry papers (or wear an arm band for example) for who has the vaccine or not. It is a level of government control that is opening a door for me that I’m not quite comfortable with. Gattaca type feelings come to mind. As I said, I’m going to get the vaccine as is my family (when safe) but I have never been a fan or forcing them on people so I’m conflicted right now. For example, the vaccine hasn’t been tested on kids so it isn’t safe for them to get it yet. Their school (private) is considering forcing them to get it to attend. Will their have been trials by then? We will get it when their pedi says it is safe to get it. Also my DH is allergic to penicillin and they have stated he should wait a bit to get it and I know some in his family who have had organ transplants are still not being given the all clear to get it. Can we not see them over the summer because medically they should not get the vaccine? Are we going to marginalize those who can’t get it? Lots of feelings all tied up with wanting the vaccine to really work and this all to be as far behind us as it can be. I don’t know how they could require it if it hasn’t been approved for kids by the time they make it the rule. If it isn’t approved, no kids would be getting the vaccine so no students for their school. Seems that the conversation from the school is just speculative for now. |
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Post by vspindler on Jan 1, 2021 19:33:26 GMT
I didn't realize they administered some of the tampered with vaccine. Now they will have to get the first dose again! They did so when they originally believed the vaccine had been left out overnight, and used it within what they thought was the 12 hours it was good at room temperature. Then they learned the asshole had pulled them two nights in a row. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 0:32:15 GMT
Beyond Covid, the most depressing part of the past year has been the realization that the subset of voters who are anti-science, anti-facts, and anti-democracy is much larger than I realized. I have read that many businesses will require proof of vaccination from their employees, and I suspect that the airlines will require proof of passengers. It will probably become very difficult for people who do not want to be vaccinated. don’t even enforce social distancing and some don’t even enforce mask policies when passengers take them off on the plane. Some do, some don’t. They won’t want to take the financial hit by requiring proof of vaccination. I am wondering if companies will require proof of vaccination. Every year my company provides us flu shots. I will be getting the vaccine when it becomes available to me. I know many first responders that have had it already, I’m just waiting my turn. I think a lot of them will, especially for international travel or at least countries will need the airlines to check that their passenger are immunized. I see it no different to what is required now if one visits certain countries. There are many countries that one needs to have jabs for Cholera, Yellow Fever, Typhoid to name just three of them that are not routinely given in our regular immunization programmes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 4:37:28 GMT
Never assume someone is good, kind or intelligent based on their job.
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Post by sueg on Jan 5, 2021 9:48:29 GMT
Never assume someone is good, kind or intelligent based on their job. He needs to have his registration/accreditation/whatever it is that pharmacists have revoked, so that he can never work as a pharmacist again. It makes me ever madder when it is someone who supposedly has scientific training buying into these whack-job ideas. He should be able to discern between truth and rumour in this area. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 5, 2021 14:01:07 GMT
I don’t really think he believes that to be true.
Sounds like a selfish guy upset at the world because his marriage is ending. I love how everyone assumed it was a woman until his name was revealed.
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