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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 16:35:53 GMT
I’m surprised the numbers are so high. ☹️ Is it due to the timing (holidays) of the vaccine? ——————- Many front-line workers refuse Covid vaccines as distribution struggles. A large percentage of front-line workers in hospitals and nursing homes have refused to take the Covid-19 vaccine, a hurdle for public health officials as the country struggles to roll out inoculations around the country. About 50 percent of front-line workers in California’s Riverside County have refused to take the vaccine, Riverside Public Health Director Kim Saruwatari told The Los Angeles Times on Thursday. California is currently overwhelmed with cases as hospital staff in Southern California face a shortage of intensive-care units and have created makeshift units. Vaccine development and distribution has been the target of persistent conspiracy theories and disinformation on social media, although it's unclear how much impact this anti-vaccination movement has had on overall public trust in the process. About 2 in 10 Americans are certain they will not change their mind about refusing the vaccine, according to data from the Pew Research Center. And 62 percent said they would be uncomfortable being among the first to receive the vaccine. Anecdotally, an estimated 60 percent of Ohio nursing home employees have refused the vaccine already, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine said during a news briefing Wednesday. It's a stark contrast to the number of nursing home residents who have taken the vaccine when offered, which DeWine guessed to be about 85 percent. “We’re not going to make them, but we wish we had a higher compliance,” DeWine said. “And our message today is: The train may not be coming back for awhile. We’re going to make it available to everyone eventually, but this is the opportunity for you, and you should really think about getting it.” www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/many-frontline-workers-refuse-covid-201555764.html |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jan 1, 2021 16:39:36 GMT
I'm surprised. Very few have declined at my work place (hospital). I think 60% are vaccinated currently, and we are still doing it.
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 1, 2021 16:42:53 GMT
The scare of infertility issues might be a factor.
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Post by ashley on Jan 1, 2021 16:44:06 GMT
The scare of infertility issues might be a factor. This has been shown to be inaccurate. It scares me that health care “professionals” are so ignorant. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 1, 2021 16:46:05 GMT
The scare of infertility issues might be a factor. That is exactly what my friend said yesterday! ashley is there info about it being inaccurate somewhere? She has discussed it with the family doctors. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 1, 2021 16:49:05 GMT
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Post by ashley on Jan 1, 2021 16:53:30 GMT
The scare of infertility issues might be a factor. That is exactly what my friend said yesterday! ashley is there info about it being inaccurate somewhere? She has discussed it with the family doctors. Here’s just one source, there are many and nothing other than unfounded ignorance to suggest otherwise: www.henryford.com/coronavirus/vaccine-faqs |
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Post by Zee on Jan 1, 2021 16:55:51 GMT
I think there is a large feeling that we are being asked to be guinea pigs for a brand new type of vaccine for which there exists no long term data. Many have gotten it, but many more are wary.
I was on the fence--what if this activates an immune response on someone that never properly shuts off, thus causing an autoimmune disorder or flare? Maybe that can't happen, but no one can say that for sure just yet.
So I completely understand not wanting it if you've already had the virus or seem to have immunity. I did recently decide to go ahead but got downstairs too late for the night round and by morning I was feeling crappy so I skipped it. I think my coworkers are about 50/50 on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 17:00:02 GMT
Thank you Olan and Zee. Those reasons do shed more light on the reluctance to get the vaccine. |
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 1, 2021 17:01:16 GMT
Fear can be stronger than reality.
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Post by craftykitten on Jan 1, 2021 17:04:37 GMT
I was watching a YouTube video (Allan Pan) who does crazy invention stuff, and yesterday’s video was about a dart gun for vaccinations, All in jest. He mentioned something about compulsory vaccination and his camerawoman - who is black - said she was sceptical. Not of vaccines, but of the government. She said if she gets the vaccination, she wants the same one white people get.
So off they trot to a Beverley Hills clinic, where he gets the vaccine, and then it’s the camerawomans’s turn....and they tried to give her a different one! For no reason!
It is a systemic failure of governments that people do not trust them enough to get vaccinated. And I include my government and yours.
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Post by bearmom on Jan 1, 2021 17:07:56 GMT
Even front line workers have nerves about the vaccine, especially those in the minority population, as a pp had posted. I think the numbers will go up as more vaccines are given and as more people are vaccinated. I also think once the two other new vaccines are approved it will help as they are non mRNA.
My hospital system is between 60-75% of all employees have been vaccinated with another week of clinics scheduled.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 1, 2021 17:08:33 GMT
I am sympathetic to the reasons that black frontline workers are leery of vaccination. Interestingly, the one anti-vaccine friend I have (a white female health care worker) had zero issues getting this vaccine even though she once quit a job for requiring a flu vaccine.
My general feeling is that we should be doing as much education as possible while vaccinating as many people as quickly as possible, and the stories I have read about vaccines going undistributed, period, are the bigger problem. Yes, get health care workers and nursing home residents vaccinated first. But if they won’t do it, vaccinating literally anyone is better than waiting for people to change their minds.
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Post by Zee on Jan 1, 2021 17:14:19 GMT
I was watching a YouTube video (Allan Pan) who does crazy invention stuff, and yesterday’s video was about a dart gun for vaccinations, All in jest. He mentioned something about compulsory vaccination and his camerawoman - who is black - said she was sceptical. Not of vaccines, but of the government. She said if she gets the vaccination, she wants the same one white people get. So off they trot to a Beverley Hills clinic, where he gets the vaccine, and then it’s the camerawomans’s turn....and they tried to give her a different one! For no reason! It is a systemic failure of governments that people do not trust them enough to get vaccinated. And I include my government and yours. there are only 2 vaccines available currently, both using mRNA, and I have not heard of any clinics where you can just walk in and get a Covid vaccine yet, so I'm not sure about the veracity of this story. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 1, 2021 17:16:03 GMT
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Jan 1, 2021 17:16:06 GMT
I was watching a YouTube video (Allan Pan) who does crazy invention stuff, and yesterday’s video was about a dart gun for vaccinations, All in jest. He mentioned something about compulsory vaccination and his camerawoman - who is black - said she was sceptical. Not of vaccines, but of the government. She said if she gets the vaccination, she wants the same one white people get. So off they trot to a Beverley Hills clinic, where he gets the vaccine, and then it’s the camerawomans’s turn....and they tried to give her a different one! For no reason! It is a systemic failure of governments that people do not trust them enough to get vaccinated. And I include my government and yours. How would either of these people be able to walk into a clinic and get the vaccine? |
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Post by FrozenPea on Jan 1, 2021 17:17:22 GMT
My son works in a retirement/nursing home and I am shocked that it isn't mandatory to get the vaccine. He works in the kitchen/dining room and most of his co-workers aren't getting it. He is on the list to get it.
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Post by Olan on Jan 1, 2021 17:19:14 GMT
I was watching a YouTube video (Allan Pan) who does crazy invention stuff, and yesterday’s video was about a dart gun for vaccinations, All in jest. He mentioned something about compulsory vaccination and his camerawoman - who is black - said she was sceptical. Not of vaccines, but of the government. She said if she gets the vaccination, she wants the same one white people get. So off they trot to a Beverley Hills clinic, where he gets the vaccine, and then it’s the camerawomans’s turn....and they tried to give her a different one! For no reason! It is a systemic failure of governments that people do not trust them enough to get vaccinated. And I include my government and yours. And remember that without a Black woman how we are vaccinated wouldn’t even be possible. White people and audacity!!!! Cause harm/death and then shame/ridicule the descendants of those victims when they don’t want to play along. Acknowledging the harm caused to Black people is the first step. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 17:25:19 GMT
The scare of infertility issues might be a factor. This has been shown to be inaccurate. It scares me that health care “professionals” are so ignorant. Ditto. I discussed this with a physician friend and my daughter separately. Both said the same thing--it is inaccurate. And as far as healthcare professionals being ignorant, I had a physician one time tell me that identical triplets were impossible. Oh dear! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2021 17:30:34 GMT
I also think by some of the conversations that I have had with people that are reluctant to receive it is that they felt the vaccine was rushed. I work with scientists that have worked on the SARs virus for more than 20 years, so this virus was not new to them. All the clinical trials were done under supervision. I believe cutting the red tape, helped the vaccine come to market much quicker than it would, since there were no "deals". I'll vote for the vaccine, if you vote for my "X" project, etc.
This was a scary thing I learned when I read the book the big Chicken, about the antibiotics in our chicken and how the FDA was not going to be funded, if they eliminated antibiotics from chicken.....This continued until the congressmen who sponsored the original bill was no longer in office.
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Post by elaine on Jan 1, 2021 17:31:20 GMT
I was watching a YouTube video (Allan Pan) who does crazy invention stuff, and yesterday’s video was about a dart gun for vaccinations, All in jest. He mentioned something about compulsory vaccination and his camerawoman - who is black - said she was sceptical. Not of vaccines, but of the government. She said if she gets the vaccination, she wants the same one white people get. So off they trot to a Beverley Hills clinic, where he gets the vaccine, and then it’s the camerawomans’s turn....and they tried to give her a different one! For no reason! It is a systemic failure of governments that people do not trust them enough to get vaccinated. And I include my government and yours. FYI - that video is on Alex Jones Infowars channel - nowhere else that I can find it. He is notorious for editing videos to make them say what they don’t really say. Keep in mind - regular people can’t just walk into a drugstore here and get the COVID vaccine. Only healthcare workers a d senior citizens can get them and through regulated channels. So, we have no idea what type of vaccine they did get. It wasn’t a COVID vaccine. The government and the US health system in general have done an atrocious job at healthcare for POC. I don’t doubt nor have an issue with anyone who claims that. I do think that it is dangerous to put forth an Alex Jones-doctored video as being truthful. He is part of the crazy fringe right-wing machine here. |
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Post by christine58 on Jan 1, 2021 17:32:15 GMT
I wonder how many that have refused--frontliners only--have had COVID. I've seen that they are supposed to wait 90-120 days after testing negative??
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Post by elaine on Jan 1, 2021 17:34:26 GMT
I was watching a YouTube video (Allan Pan) who does crazy invention stuff, and yesterday’s video was about a dart gun for vaccinations, All in jest. He mentioned something about compulsory vaccination and his camerawoman - who is black - said she was sceptical. Not of vaccines, but of the government. She said if she gets the vaccination, she wants the same one white people get. So off they trot to a Beverley Hills clinic, where he gets the vaccine, and then it’s the camerawomans’s turn....and they tried to give her a different one! For no reason! It is a systemic failure of governments that people do not trust them enough to get vaccinated. And I include my government and yours. How would either of these people be able to walk into a clinic and get the vaccine? They couldn’t. I watched it. They went for a vaccine of some type. I don’t know what one. And it wasn’t clear that it was different, or if there might have been a valid reason for a different brand of whatever type of vaccine. It is an Alex Jones doctored propaganda video. Enough said. I’m guessing that since craftykitten is from the UK, she doesn’t readily know who Alex Jones is. |
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Post by peaname on Jan 1, 2021 17:34:31 GMT
I work in a nursing home and our nursing assistants and housekeepers represent a very diverse population who have solid reasons for doubting the government. The Tuskegee experiments have been mentioned. We can encourage vaccination but it’s still approved only for emergency use we cannot mandate it and the way the staffing crisis is we would not want to lose even one employee over this. There is no easy answer. The good news is that 95% of the residents will receive the vaccine on Monday.
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Post by Gravity on Jan 1, 2021 17:34:48 GMT
The scare of infertility issues might be a factor. That is exactly what my friend said yesterday! ashley is there info about it being inaccurate somewhere? She has discussed it with the family doctors. Here is a link to a USA Today article with some information about the vaccine and fertility. There are links at the bottom of the article with more information. There are actual medical journal articles available, but I do not have access from home.
This has been shown to be inaccurate. It scares me that health care “professionals” are so ignorant.
Not everyone who works in a healthcare environment is a college educated licensed professional. There are plenty of unlicensed personnel who are absolute rockstars at their job, while having minimal understanding of science. While it scares you that health care "professionals" are so ignorant, it scares us health care professionals even more that the general population tends to get their health care information from Facebook and other types of social media. Anyone can claim anything and people believe it to be a fact. Sadly, even some doctors pepper their information to patients with political, personal, and religious beliefs rather than sticking to facts learned from double-blind peer-reviewed medical studies.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 1, 2021 17:36:04 GMT
How would either of these people be able to walk into a clinic and get the vaccine? They couldn’t. I watched it. They went for a vaccine of some type. I don’t know what one. And it wasn’t clear that it was different, or if there might have been a valid reason for a different brand of whatever type of vaccine. Bet it was a flu shot |
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Post by gizzy on Jan 1, 2021 17:36:26 GMT
Wow, I'm surprised it's so high. I haven't heard of anyone in my area refusing it, thankfully.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jan 1, 2021 17:37:42 GMT
I gratefully received mine yesterday. I regularly live with systemic pain and fatigue (we’re still trying to figure out exactly why but are pretty sure it’s autoimmune), and other than a sore arm I feel fine this morning. We’ll see what the future brings, and how I feel after my second shot, but I’m truly more afraid of the virus than of the vaccine. I completely understand why some would be distrustful though.
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Post by elaine on Jan 1, 2021 17:42:40 GMT
How would either of these people be able to walk into a clinic and get the vaccine? They couldn’t. I watched it. They went for a vaccine of some type. I don’t know what one. And it wasn’t clear that it was different, or if there might have been a valid reason for a different brand of whatever type of vaccine. Bet it was a flu shot Probably. But it also could have been anything like one of the meningitis vaccines, or one of the pneumonia shots, or even HPV. There is absolutely no indication of what vaccine they asked for or received. The only thing for certain is that it wasn’t a COVID vaccine. |
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Post by Olan on Jan 1, 2021 17:48:05 GMT
I’ve been about to get vaccinated when a nurse says o wait you have private insurance...left the original vial and returned with another. No effort to hide it either so it’s gotta be common. It would be foolish to believe that with all instances of medical mistreatment and deadly outcomes Black people experience vaccines are the one thing that’s safe and fair for everyone. Like come on🤷🏾♀️
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