Front line workers refusing vaccine.

Everything is Mr. Trump’s fault. If he had listened to what the experts had to say about Covid right from the beginning then none of this would be happening anywhere in the world. People find it too difficult to think for themselves. We really needed Mr. Trump and he failed us. No one had to die. Yada yada yada.

I do know who Alex Jones is, but I don't see what he had to do with the video. It's on Allen's YouTube channel here. (skipping all the bits about vaccinating people with dart guns, because, yeah, that's his schtick).

Allen is pro-vaccine and seemed genuinely upset by his colleague's distrust of the government. 

I've had to watch the whole thing again and it looks like it's a flu vaccine, not covid, so my bad on that part, but her point still stands.









 

How old is each of them, because depending on age, people get different flu vaccines.

I can't find if just at the moment but the advice is that you shouldn't have it if you are thinking of trying for a baby in the next 2 months following the vaccine. Much the same as they say for all vaccines. The anti vaxxers have jumped on the band wagon and purposely left out the two month period - they are pure evil some of these anti vaxers. 

I don’t disagree with you regarding the treatment of minorities within the medical field. You however are using a specific example, and I was asking for clarification.

People in public health are working really hard to improve the medical hesitancy due to race, and stuff like this (that we don’t know what actually happened) doesn’t help.

I don’t blame them either - I agree that there is a long history of terrible medical (and law enforcement and social equality and ...) treatment of POC in this country. No question. Absolutely. Their mistrust is understandable and of our own making. ☹️

My issue was with claiming that that video was showing that different COVID vaccines are being given due to ethnicity.  And, if we are talking other vaccines, there are a variety of reasons for administering different ones to different people. There just wasn’t enough in that video to really understand what was going on in that particular instance.  

There have been numerous reports of Black people being turned away at emergency departments, sent home without having been examined or treated and later dying of the virus. In an August essay about Covid-19 treatment written for the California Health Care Foundation, Dr. Vanessa Grubbs, a nephrologist, noted, "No available data suggest such implicit bias is happening on a large scale and resulting in worse outcomes. But the lack of data is less a sign that the problem does not exist than a reflection of what data we choose not to gather."

Second, the federal government knowingly withheld treatment for 40 years from the same citizens it was supposed to protect. This critical point bears important lessons for how we go forward from the pandemic.
From the article
“Black people's distrust of vaccines -- and even at time health care -- goes much deeper than the Tuskegee study. We live in a country organized around structural racism. This means Black Americans are less likely to receive the health care we deserve. We are more likely to live in neighborhoods with poor air quality and fewer outlets to purchase healthy food. We are more likely to work in low-paying "essential" jobs that put us more at risk for contracting Covid-19. All of these factors make us more likely to die of the virus, which is to say we are living with, and dying of, racism.

But now we have a vaccine and a chance to protect ourselves from a deadly contagion that is tearing our country and communities apart. Vaccines have changed societies for the better in the past, and this one has not come a minute too soon. Still, we should approach it with healthy skepticism about potential side effects and serious adverse reactions. Because the vaccine came to market so quickly, we do not have long-term safety studies, and there are still many unanswered questions.

One of the lasting lessons of Tuskegee is that denying medical care is among the biggest breaches of trust between citizens and their governments. We must ensure that marginalized groups like Black, Indigenous and people of color, immigrants, disabled people and people in prison can receive this vaccine. We must also ensure people are allowed to ask questions to make informed and uncoerced decisions about their health care.

As I wait my turn to take the vaccine, I will be learning everything I can about it. I long for an end to the loneliness and grief the pandemic has wrought, and I believe the vaccine is one step in the right direction. Although the distrust of many Black people is absolutely warranted, we suffer more from not getting access to life-saving treatments than being injected with nefarious vaccines.

We have seen time and time again that vulnerable people, and obviously Black people, are at the back of the line when it comes to access to care. I hope the rollout of the Covid-19 vaccine does not repeat these sins.”

I didn’t believe you disagreed with me I was sharing what I thought was more helpful insight about Black people and our unwillingness to be vaccinated.

I agree with you that misinformation never helps which is why I posted the links that explained the lived experiences I shared and the ones craftykitten saw in the video. As with any lived experience how you perceive what happened to you shapes who you are. I don’t trust vaccines or medical setting like most Black women I know and could list a host of other lived experiences that could shed light on the why. The nurse I encountered as a teen was probably shocked that an orphaned Black girl would have private health insurance. My sister is a Dr. with a hyphenated name so I’m going to guess the nurse reaching in the Medicaid batch has a lot to do with bias in a medical setting. So it’s like we are back where we started no?

Dh works at 2 different hospitals. In one, almost everyone he works with got the vaccine, at the other, maybe 50%.

Reasoning
1. There is no need for a vaccine because it isn't that bad
2. The vaccine was rushed (fwiw from human case to vaccine for h1n1 was April to Sept, quicker than this one. Plus the new type accracking the protein was sequenced and then they just needed to find the protein)
3. Fear of big pharma and add in some conspiracy theories

I'll get it as soon as I can.
If any of the above was a huge issue, the high profile government people would not have gotten it

I do worry about long term effects, but the long term effects of Covid are just as scary

Racism is the cause of the opioid addiction. Studies proved that doctors don’t believe Black people feel pain in the same way as everyone else. Dr. Moore experienced this during her stay at the Indianapolis hospital. And ummm pharmaceutical companies are the devil because they were like well damn what should we do with all the pain pills doctors won’t give to Black people. Boom overprescribing white folks and then addiction. Settlements, studies, and dissertation this isn’t just my opinion. I wanna think my ideas are fresh and new but Google usually tells me nope sis. Also opioid addicts wouldn’t have as hard a go at recovery if the War on Drugs (racism) didn’t demonize addiction. Again studies.

Let’s look at some other societal problems and connect them to racism shall we.

School shootings have never been committed by a “sassy“ Black teenager but school systems across America stay kicking a black kid out of school don’t though? Karens are in classrooms. The resource officer won’t tackle a kid with a gun but a black kid with a cell phone...no problem.

Legislators were more concerned about Black people owning guns than they were with mass shootings becoming commonplace.

The Nashville bomber’s girlfriend told police he was building bombs in an RV and the police said “Hey we knocked but he didn’t answer” meanwhile the same police department kicked a Black woman’s door in and killed her as she slept.

Black people are overpoliced and we wonder why society is so lawless. The narrative that one group of people are violent when really its the other party just leaves a lot of people dead. Thwart a mass shooting or defund the police right?

Fix racism and a lot of societal problems would diminish.

A lot of employers will force employees to get it. This will all have to be worked out, and I’m sure that there will be objections because of...(fill in the blank.) It’s gonna get messy. But I guess if they can’t fire them, then they can make them wear masks full time and socially distance.

Kind of shocking that it isnt required, just like flu vaccines.

Not all front line workers are required to get the flu vaccination either.
Even if required (COVID) there will ne numerous reasons for exemptions.

When an employer requires something like this, they have to be ready to accept any medical claims stemming from the decision.  My patients are wok comp patients.  One of the issues with forcing this on employees is hat we don’t know the long term effects yet.  It isn’t old enough.  We have good scientific data. We have trials, but once released on the population it’s anyone’s guess.  I have a difficult enough time as it is getting doctors to separate out degenerative body issues from actual work related issues as it is.  With vaccines it’s harder.  Depending on the state and how leonine the they are towards either workers or employers, this will be a nightmare which many companies are going ovoid for now till they see how it plays out.  Current vaccines are older and results more predictable now.  COVID is a nightmare in work comp right now.  Prove they got it at home vs work?  Everyone when asked will say they only wen from home o work and leave out anything in between because they want work to cover It.  I have had patients fake getting it. Yep. Actual fake reports.  So there are real concerns from employers about requiring something so new.  Shoot half of healthcare only gets the flu shot because it’s required by their facility.