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Post by merry27 on Jan 23, 2021 21:02:34 GMT
I love true crime and this case has always fascinated me. I just watched a show that 20/20 aired last week. I think it’s crazy how they still haven’t caught her killer.
Do you think the family was involved? The ransom note was so long and specific. There was no forced entry. The alarm was set when they went to bed that night.
The police totally botched the crime scene. I can’t believe they didn’t find the body when they searched the house.
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Post by leannec on Jan 23, 2021 21:11:04 GMT
I don't know who killed her but I'm still fascinated by this case ... I love true crime too! I really think it was a break in ... I don't think it was a family member ... but who knows
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Post by peaname on Jan 23, 2021 21:13:05 GMT
I believe Patsy wrote the ransom note.
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Post by librarylady on Jan 23, 2021 21:14:24 GMT
I think that the note was written by the mother. It had information too specific to the money situation of the family.
I sometimes think it was the mother and other times think it was her brother (step brother?) but she was definitely killed by a family member, IMO.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 23, 2021 21:14:39 GMT
The ransom note - especially the exact amount of his Christmas bonus was too bizarre a coincidence to not to involve someone in the family or the family knew well. No one asks for $118,000 as a ransom. I have no idea what happened to that little girl, but it wasn't a random intruder.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jan 23, 2021 21:22:51 GMT
Her brother did it.
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Post by leannec on Jan 23, 2021 21:26:51 GMT
Hmmm ... guess I'm in the minority
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Post by rainangel on Jan 23, 2021 21:35:53 GMT
The theory that makes the most sense to me is the brother doing it. And the parents was put in a horrible situation when they realized what had happened. I believe they covered it up, trying to blame it on someone from the outside to deflect blame from the brother. Patsy wrote the ransom note. John 'helped' the police find JonBenét when their search of the house wasn't thorough enough to find her. He had a history of violent outbursts (not that angry kids hitting their little sisters are unusual, but still) If you watch the footage of him being interviewed right after the murder, he seems very unaffected. That, and the more recent Dr Phil interview, indicates he is guilty as hell or he is on the spectrum. Could be innocent, could be a psychopath. All in all, still the most likely suspect.
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Post by summer on Jan 23, 2021 21:38:28 GMT
I think her brother killed her and the parents tried to cover it up by inventing the intruder story. An outsider wouldn’t leave the body inside the house and leave a ransom note, it doesn’t make sense.
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Post by merry27 on Jan 23, 2021 21:39:25 GMT
What about the unidentified DNA found under her fingernails, in her underwear and on her pajama pants?
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Post by tkdmom on Jan 23, 2021 21:52:08 GMT
I think the parents believed the brother did it, and tried to cover it up. Thus the odd ransom note. In reality there was a break in and some one else did it.
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Post by RosieKat on Jan 23, 2021 21:53:00 GMT
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Post by auntkelly on Jan 23, 2021 22:21:11 GMT
I don’t think we’ll ever know since the police botched the investigation from the very beginning by letting family and friends wonder around the house. Plus, they were so convinced from the beginning that it was the family, they didn’t even explore other possibilities.
The specific information in the ransom note certainly points to the family. However, would they have tied up their precious daughter in that awful garrote if they were just trying to cover for a family member? And, as someone already said, I do seem to remember there was unidentified DNA found on her panties. The police said no one could have crawled through that basement window, but others have shown it was quite possible.
The brother is definitely different, but that doesn’t mean he is a murderer.
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Post by uksue on Jan 23, 2021 22:29:42 GMT
I’ve read and watched so much about this over many years .
I believe it was an intruder . There were other local Incidences of intruders . So much was misreported about the case- weather conditions, the broken window etc. The behaviour of the female police officer who was placed in the home and who was completely incompetent imo has made many accusations about the parents - imo as a distraction from the poor job she did.
It’s truly heartbreaking that dear little soul has never received justice .
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Post by uksue on Jan 23, 2021 22:31:52 GMT
The theory that makes the most sense to me is the brother doing it. And the parents was put in a horrible situation when they realized what had happened. I believe they covered it up, trying to blame it on someone from the outside to deflect blame from the brother. Patsy wrote the ransom note. John 'helped' the police find JonBenét when their search of the house wasn't thorough enough to find her. He had a history of violent outbursts (not that angry kids hitting their little sisters are unusual, but still) If you watch the footage of him being interviewed right after the murder, he seems very unaffected. That, and the more recent Dr Phil interview, indicates he is guilty as hell or he is on the spectrum. Could be innocent, could be a psychopath. All in all, still the most likely suspect. As the mother of a young adult on the spectrum that’s what I think .
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Post by merry27 on Jan 23, 2021 23:11:57 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Jan 23, 2021 23:22:09 GMT
I think this and the Maddy McCann case will always be a mystery.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 23, 2021 23:27:30 GMT
I wonder if her parents thought her brother did it so they tried to cover it up. I’m not sure he’d have enough strength to cause the head injury she had. My assumption was that someone tried to get her out through the window and maybe dropped her causing the head injury. Maybe since they wanted her alive they left her. But I go back and forth on theories. I also thought it was strange that the day Jonbenet was found Patsy put on the same clothes that she wore to their holiday party the night before. I would think that a wealthy woman would have more than one holiday party outfit. Is it possible that she never went to bed? Maybe they were up all night working on a cover story. Or maybe just Patsy.
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Post by littlemama on Jan 23, 2021 23:32:40 GMT
The parents were conpletely exonerated. My gut feeling was always the brother, but I believe he was ruled out as well.
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Post by Olan on Jan 23, 2021 23:36:17 GMT
My gut feeling is we may as well defund the police since they’ve never been able to figure out who killed JonBenet.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 23, 2021 23:53:55 GMT
The parents were conpletely exonerated. My gut feeling was always the brother, but I believe he was ruled out as well. In all honesty the exoneration of the parents was just another bungling of the police/DA - it should never have happened. Lacy was incompetent.
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Jan 24, 2021 0:13:53 GMT
I believe it was an outsider. She was tasered and there was DNA in her underwear that did not match any family member.
They mentioned the local Santa but did not follow up with that on the 20/20 show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 0:20:43 GMT
I watched that 20/20 as well. For the most part it concentrated on Lou Smit’s research and his family’s. I tend to believe it’s mostly what Lou Smit asserted.
- Jon Benet was tasered, garroted, bludgeoned, strangled and sexually assaulted. - DNA matching no family member was found on the child’s nails and panties. - I do not believe it was a family member. - I believe the failures of responding police officers made the case unsolvable. - Lou Smit found (and proved possible) evidence of forced entry through a basement window. I think the whole cobweb theory is totally subjective.
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Post by MaryMary on Jan 24, 2021 4:52:03 GMT
The mom wrote that note. It was too long and nobody kills a girl and then spends a half hour writing a ransom note at the crime scene.
I think the brother got angry and unintentionally killed her by hitting her on the head.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 24, 2021 5:09:52 GMT
I think she was killed by a man who knew the family, maybe had even been in their home in the past, he became obsessed with Jon Benet and decided to take her - when the abduction didn't go according to plan, he had to kill her and get out of there. I do not believe that anyone in the family had anything to do with it - the facts do not add up to that. When you read opinions by FBI agents who have dealt with serial killers and child murderers the opinion of those experts is that parents do not kill their children in this way, and that otherwise kind loving parents would not be capable of 'staging' a scene like this either, nor do previously normal parents bash in the skull in of a child who wets the bed. Jon Benet had NO signs of other or ongoing abuse. When people who have seen all sorts of horrific crimes say that it wasn't the family...then I'm inclined to agree with them. - I believe the failures of responding police officers made the case unsolvable. This is the main issue - there were inexperienced police on that day who had no expertise in dealing with a case like this and they screwed it up in every way possible.
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Post by rainangel on Jan 24, 2021 11:30:33 GMT
I think she was killed by a man who knew the family, maybe had even been in their home in the past, he became obsessed with Jon Benet and decided to take her - when the abduction didn't go according to plan, he had to kill her and get out of there. I do not believe that anyone in the family had anything to do with it - the facts do not add up to that. When you read opinions by FBI agents who have dealt with serial killers and child murderers the opinion of those experts is that parents do not kill their children in this way, and that otherwise kind loving parents would not be capable of 'staging' a scene like this either, nor do previously normal parents bash in the skull in of a child who wets the bed. Jon Benet had NO signs of other or ongoing abuse. When people who have seen all sorts of horrific crimes say that it wasn't the family...then I'm inclined to agree with them. - I believe the failures of responding police officers made the case unsolvable. This is the main issue - there were inexperienced police on that day who had no expertise in dealing with a case like this and they screwed it up in every way possible. I believe it was the brother. But I agree this is not a typical way a child murder happens. Usually there is ongoing abuse etc. I think it was an 'accident'. The brother became angry and hit his little sister harder than what he realized. I don't believe anyone in the family intended this to happen, but it still happened. There is just too much evidence that the parents tried to cover up something. I don't believe an outsider did this. Fun fact: John Ramsey later dated the mother of Natalee Holloway.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 24, 2021 12:19:25 GMT
I think it was an 'accident'. The brother became angry and hit his little sister harder than what he realized. Did you read the autopsy results? So you are saying the brother hit her harder than intended, and killed her accidentally, so then one or both of her perfectly normal parents, proceeded to get a paintbrush and some cord and garroted her - and twisted the cord hard enough to break the brush handle, then they used that brush handle to penetrate their daughter sexually (before she was dead), then they duct taped her mouth shut, they potentially stun gunned her, and then left her in the basement with her hands over her head. In what world does all of that make sense to cover up an accident? No parent does that to a child they loved - and there is no evidence that either of them were in any way abusive or not good parents. She was a normal child, well fed and the analysis of the autopsy concluded that she had not suffered any physical or sexual abuse prior to the night of her murder. The head injury probably didn't kill her (the strangulation did), so she would have still been alive when the parents had to do all of the other stuff to 'cover up' John Douglas from the FBI serial killer unit says he has never seen a parent kill a child in that way. Also if the parents did it to cover up...wouldn't they be keen to lead the police to her body? They wouldn't have all those people over to the house for hours knowing she was dead in the basement. This idea of a sibling killing another one and the parents staging an elaborate cover up is the stuff of fiction - when has it ever happened in real life?
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Post by rainangel on Jan 24, 2021 12:40:06 GMT
I think it was an 'accident'. The brother became angry and hit his little sister harder than what he realized. Did you read the autopsy results? So you are saying the brother hit her harder than intended, and killed her accidentally, so then one or both of her perfectly normal parents, proceeded to get a paintbrush and some cord and garroted her - and twisted the cord hard enough to break the brush handle, then they used that brush handle to penetrate their daughter sexually (before she was dead), then they duct taped her mouth shut, they potentially stun gunned her, and then left her in the basement with her hands over her head. In what world does all of that make sense to cover up an accident? No parent does that to a child they loved - and there is no evidence that either of them were in any way abusive or not good parents. She was a normal child, well fed and the analysis of the autopsy concluded that she had not suffered any physical or sexual abuse prior to the night of her murder. The head injury probably didn't kill her (the strangulation did), so she would have still been alive when the parents had to do all of the other stuff to 'cover up' John Douglas from the FBI serial killer unit says he has never seen a parent kill a child in that way. Also if the parents did it to cover up...wouldn't they be keen to lead the police to her body? They wouldn't have all those people over to the house for hours knowing she was dead in the basement. This idea of a sibling killing another one and the parents staging an elaborate cover up is the stuff of fiction - when has it ever happened in real life? Some of the conclusions in the autopsy have been questioned. I have never said the parents killed her, I said I believe the brother did. But not that he planned it. I believe it was i a fit of rage. I agree with Douglas that this is not a way a parent kills a child. But again, I never said the parents killed her. I said they covered it up to protect their remaining child. And they WERE keen to have the police find the body...? Which is why John went and got the body himself when the police couldn't after searching for hours? As for this happening in real life? A lot of stuff that you'd never imagine happening in real life has actually happened. Parents trying to keep and protect a child after losing another child is not the most far-fetched one.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 24, 2021 13:25:04 GMT
Parents trying to keep and protect a child after losing another child is not the most far-fetched one. Yes it is...because it doesn't happen. That child would have to me a monster *if* he was able to do all of those things, but there's no way he'd be able to garrote her in the way it was done. That would take an adult. An autopsy is just facts, the only conclusion drawn in an autopsy is the cause of death. I just mentioned facts, not any conclusions.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jan 24, 2021 15:06:12 GMT
I think she was killed by a man who knew the family, maybe had even been in their home in the past, he became obsessed with Jon Benet and decided to take her - when the abduction didn't go according to plan, he had to kill her and get out of there. I do not believe that anyone in the family had anything to do with it - the facts do not add up to that. When you read opinions by FBI agents who have dealt with serial killers and child murderers the opinion of those experts is that parents do not kill their children in this way, and that otherwise kind loving parents would not be capable of 'staging' a scene like this either, nor do previously normal parents bash in the skull in of a child who wets the bed. Jon Benet had NO signs of other or ongoing abuse. When people who have seen all sorts of horrific crimes say that it wasn't the family...then I'm inclined to agree with them. - I believe the failures of responding police officers made the case unsolvable. This is the main issue - there were inexperienced police on that day who had no expertise in dealing with a case like this and they screwed it up in every way possible. The FBI also says they have never seen a 2.5 page ransom note - nor one written at the scene.
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