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Post by Really Red on Feb 8, 2021 23:20:50 GMT
This is an interesting discussion. On one hand, yes, I feel sorry for his family. Losing someone you love is awful. On the other hand, this man actively denied science by siding time after time with the Republicans. He did not believe that the election results were valid. Does that mean he should die? Of course not. However, it tells us that it is likely that he, like MANY Republicans did not believe the science of wearing a mask. He fully supported a president who encouraged sedition. I think what it comes down to for ME (and I am only speaking for me) is that I do not feel sorry for someone who actively denies science and who, IMO, has encouraged others to believe that as well. Now, for those who believe that we shouldn't feel sorry for someone who doesn't wear sunscreen and gets skin cancer? Well, I don't conflate the two, but quite frankly, if someone repeated went in the sun with no sunscreen, heck YES, I would think they were an idiot. Do I think smokers are idiots? Yes, again. If you are doing everything you can NOT to get COVID or skin cancer or AIDS or whatever, then I am 100% on your side. Here is how he voted
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Post by gina on Feb 8, 2021 23:21:31 GMT
“TFB?” Quite the response to the report of someone dying. I know nothing about this guy and have no dog in this “fight,” but really...is that necessary? Exactly. What a gross response!
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Post by peatlejuice on Feb 8, 2021 23:24:38 GMT
I went through the last year of his Tweets (and he Tweeted often). The only times he mentioned masks were in reference to getting masks to hospitals. His early pandemic tweets promote social distancing, but not mask usage, and pictures throughout the pandemic reflected sporadic usage (it looks like he'd wear them if required by the business/location, but otherwise did not). He was a big fan of blaming "Communist China",an early adopter of the "reopen everything" philosophy and was pushing for the full reopening of schools as recently as three days ago (or had his staff promoting it, at any rate).
Of course, none of this changes the fact that he died, but since everyone is abuzz about what his mask stance was or wasn't, I was curious what his own words said.
My unpopular stance about this thread: there are some Peas that aren't eloquent with their words, and some that are often targeted for what they say, no matter what they say. Elannah, IMO, falls under both those categories. I can't help but feel like if one of the more eloquent, popular Peas had reflected the *shrug* mentality, they would've been lauded and liked, not accused of lacking humanity. Take that for what you will.
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Post by SockMonkey on Feb 8, 2021 23:26:13 GMT
He died from co-morbidity with COVID problems. It's not like such a simple thing as long-term lung cancer needs to be included in either his cause of death or your title. Sounds like a horrible, no-good, terrible man. Did he wear a mask? Did he wash his hands regularly? Did he social distance? TFB. republicans, from the top down, politicized it and downplayed it so I have zero fucks to give for them. Y'all have lost whatever human decency you once may have had. I've lost count of the number of people of every political leaning I know who have had COVID DESPITE wearing a mask, social distancing, washing their hands, etc. And I'm guessing that if the spokesman from his office said he dedicated his life to fighting for individual freedom and so-called Texas values, then he probably did NOT wear a mask. eta: my opinion is colored somewhat by my family situation right now, with my anti-mask, anti-vaxxer sister trying to convince my cancer-fighting mom (who's staying with her right now) NOT to get the covid vaccine. Everyone's opinion is affected by many factors. My sympathy is wearing a bit thin. 1) {{{Big hugs}}} to you during this terrible struggle. My concern is for the most vulnerable amongst us and I wouldn't respond very well either if I were in your shoes right now. 2) Stop. Just stop assuming that a man with long-term lung cancer wouldn't wear a freaking mask around others because he had Texas values! Do you have any idea how ignorant that sounds? I have "Texas" values and I have been wearing a mask in public since before schools were first shut down - LONG before anyone on the left finally decided it was an unnecessary a good idea a moral imperative. Because Google is a thing: I'll say it again. It's sad this man died. It's sad that he didn't believe in basic science and common sense (much like it seems YOU don't based on your post).
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Post by peaname on Feb 8, 2021 23:33:07 GMT
I hate to see anyone die from this virus.
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Post by pinklady on Feb 8, 2021 23:40:05 GMT
Y'all have lost whatever human decency you once may have had. Right back at ya!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 0:00:06 GMT
If you sit in a closed room playing with matches near an open can of gasoline, I'm going to feel horrible when you die or are burned beyond recognition.
I will offer your family my deepest condolences. I will also remind anyone who will listen to NOT PLAY WITH MATCHES AROUND OPEN GASOLINE CANS.
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Post by peano on Feb 9, 2021 0:04:14 GMT
I mean, I thought 20+ years of nursing had left me dead inside, but WOW. Glad I can still find compassion to look beyond whether someone wore a mask or not. I'm sure some of you are the same ones who skim through motorcycle accident articles looking only to see if a helmet was worn. Yes, I'd love it if all these grandmas and grandpas I take care of every single fucking night had never gotten Covid but they're here and they're sick and I'm going to care for them. If they die and my first reaction ever becomes "Too fucking bad", then I guess I need to exit stage left. I worked with nurses who were dead inside, and from what little I've read here, that is not you. Nurses are some of the hardest working and compassionate people on the face of the earth. (Their main fault is that they are the worst fucking patients on the face of the earth, but that's another thread.) Thank you for what you do.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 9, 2021 0:52:56 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it wasn't COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!”
But this guy dies and all of a sudden there is concern and handslapping when someone asks whether he was wearing a mask or not? Where was the concern on January 6th when this guy’s colleagues were laughing and refusing masks while locked up in a small enclosed area because the COVID denier-in-chief had sold them the idea that it was all a democratic hoax?
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Post by christine58 on Feb 9, 2021 0:58:52 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it was t COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” But this guy dies and all of a sudden there is concern and hands,aping when someone asks whether he was wearing a mask or not? Where was the concern on January 6th when this guy’s colleagues were laughing and refusing masks while locked up in a small enclosed area because the COVID denier-in-chief had sold them the idea that it was all a democratic hoax? My issue is with the comment TFB. I don’t think there would have been all the “concern” without that asshole comment. She could have posted the concerns about mask wearing etc without that comment.
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Post by Zee on Feb 9, 2021 0:59:48 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it was t COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” But this guy dies and all of a sudden there is concern and hands,aping when someone asks whether he was wearing a mask or not? Where was the concern on January 6th when this guy’s colleagues were laughing and refusing masks while locked up in a small enclosed area because the COVID denier-in-chief had sold them the idea that it was all a democratic hoax? I guess I somehow manage to be concerned about everyone. It's not that hard.
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Post by inkedup on Feb 9, 2021 1:09:41 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it was t COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” But this guy dies and all of a sudden there is concern and hands,aping when someone asks whether he was wearing a mask or not? Where was the concern on January 6th when this guy’s colleagues were laughing and refusing masks while locked up in a small enclosed area because the COVID denier-in-chief had sold them the idea that it was all a democratic hoax? I guess I somehow manage to be concerned about everyone. It's not that hard. I agree that it's not hard to offer compassion and I think most of us are able to extend compassion across party lines. I think it's great we are keeping one another accountable. Death from covid is not something I wish on anyone. In that same vein, though, it's hard not to roll my eyes hard when someone like lto starts lecturing about partisan concern.
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Post by pyccku on Feb 9, 2021 1:12:53 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it was t COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” But this guy dies and all of a sudden there is concern and hands,aping when someone asks whether he was wearing a mask or not? Where was the concern on January 6th when this guy’s colleagues were laughing and refusing masks while locked up in a small enclosed area because the COVID denier-in-chief had sold them the idea that it was all a democratic hoax? I guess I somehow manage to be concerned about everyone. It's not that hard. No, it's not hard at all. Which is why it was so weird to me that whenever someone died of Covid FOR MONTHS you would immediately get someone saying "well, they were overweight, so...." or "well, they were old, so...." and the inference that those lives were unimportant and we did not need to change our lifestyles in any way because somehow, they deserved it. Even though every one of those people had families and friends who loved and carried about them, every one of those people mattered and deserved our care and concern - there was always that statement about co-morbidities and the idea that they somehow did something to deserve to die.
It's the same thing that happened with AIDS. So long as it was only "those gays" getting it, we (as a nation) didn't need to take action. We didn't need to address the problem. We could deny their basic humanity because they weren't like us, they were GAY. And that meant that they deserved it. It wasn't a disease, it was God's holy punishment! It wasn't an important disease that should be researched - it only affected those people.
Until the problem hit someone close to them, it could be ignored. Now all of a sudden it's a real problem. Today we hit 463,338. The other 463,337 were important too. While I feel bad for anyone who died, I can also understand completely that it might be difficult to feel an over-abundance of compassion for #463,338 when they made it clear through their own actions that they didn't consider deaths 1 through 463,337 to be important or concerning enough to change their behavior.
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Post by allison1954 on Feb 9, 2021 1:25:52 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it wasn't COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” But this guy dies and all of a sudden there is concern and handslapping when someone asks whether he was wearing a mask or not? Where was the concern on January 6th when this guy’s colleagues were laughing and refusing masks while locked up in a small enclosed area because the COVID denier-in-chief had sold them the idea that it was all a democratic hoax? No , it wasn't because she asked if he wore a mask. It was the BFD.
NO ONE's death is TDB. They were important to someone.
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 9, 2021 1:49:18 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it was t COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” I don't get any of these politicized "sides" at all. COVID is a deadly pandemic. It's extremely dangerous for people with co-morbidities. Thousands of others suffer long-term medical complications even as (possibly) the majority of people getting it recover fully without issue. We're all at different risks for bad outcomes. The most susceptible among us need the most protection. Period. That's my completely unchanged position of 11 months and it accompanies my continuing, careful, preventative measures. Do I personally know anything about this Representative? No. Am I going to do any kind of research on him? No. Do I think that he was in a high risk population? Yes. Did the man make himself more vulnerable? Yes, he continued working just as millions of other people have. As a US representative he was around many other people and he may or may not have properly worn a mask at every moment around others and that may also have increased his odds of catching this disease. Don't we all know a growing number of people by now who have followed every guideline and still contracted COVID, though? In all of these months I have yet to go anywhere where every tenth person or so is wearing a mask that isn't covering their nose and/or mouth at least some of the time I pass by them, yet I'm the one without compassion because I think it's abhorrent to be glad someone has gotten ill or died? Fine. I'm just a terrible person. A terrible person with "Texas values" who wears two different masks high and tight inside public places.
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2021 1:58:20 GMT
Nearly 40,000 people in Texas have died due to federal and state GOP mis-messaging of the pandemic. Anti-maskers and COVID deniers have done enormous, irreversible damage to our state and country.
It's tragic that this guy was one of the victims of his own policies and messaging. That's the classical Greek definition of tragedy, right? Death or downfall due to the fatal flaw of one or more characters. This whole thing is, without a doubt, a tragedy for everyone involved.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 9, 2021 2:00:25 GMT
I'm just going to say that very few people are actually evil people who actively wish people harm. None of us is as one dimensional as a one off comment on a board might portray us as. Everyone's patience is wearing very thin these days. I'm willing to admit that mine is for sure and I've tried to stay away from covid posts for quite some time now. But when I find myself infuriated just by reading the dinner thread, I know it's time for a break.
I can easily see both sides of this issue. And I encourage everyone to take a big step back for a moment and consider that the person on the other end of your comment is a human being trying to cope with the damage this virus has done to us as a society and individually.
This virus has been politicized by our leaders. This virus has pitted many of us against our friends and neighbors. This virus relies on us behaving in a certain way as a community to protect each other and some of us are disappointed we can't seem to rely on our friends and neighbors to help protect us. We are disappointed that those we've elected to lead us are behaving inappropriately. We are disappointed watching our friends and neighbors behave inappropriately. And let's face it, there's a bit of jealousy going on too. I know I am when I read that someone is getting together with a friend and I haven't seen my friends during this pandemic since summer when I could be outside and distanced.
There's a whole mix of complex emotions going on, sadness, anger, fear, jealousy, etc. And they are going on within all of us. I choose to give grace, to just about everyone, and when I feel I've gotten to the point where I can't give you grace, I have to walk away for a while and regroup. That's the point I'm at today. Consider that maybe a break from the board might allow some of you to reset your bearings, as well.
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Post by muggins on Feb 9, 2021 2:18:47 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states?
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Post by Really Red on Feb 9, 2021 2:49:51 GMT
It’s weird to me that when the first 450k+ died, the frequent response was “well, were they overweight? Were they old? They had co-morbidities, it was t COVID that killed them, they were going to die soon anyway. I’m not going to wear a mask/stay home/stop going to large gatherings/stop living my life just because some old person/fat person who was going to die anyway might get sick. Almost everyone who gets it will be fine, stop telling us what to do and open the schools/play the sports/have the rally!” I don't get any of these politicized "sides" at all. COVID is a deadly pandemic. It's extremely dangerous for people with co-morbidities. Thousands of others suffer long-term medical complications even as (possibly) the majority of people getting it recover fully without issue. We're all at different risks for bad outcomes. The most susceptible among us need the most protection. Period. That's my completely unchanged position of 11 months and it accompanies my continuing, careful, preventative measures. Do I personally know anything about this Representative? No. Am I going to do any kind of research on him? No. Do I think that he was in a high risk population? Yes. Did the man make himself more vulnerable? Yes, he continued working just as millions of other people have. As a US representative he was around many other people and he may or may not have properly worn a mask at every moment around others and that may also have increased his odds of catching this disease. Don't we all know a growing number of people by now who have followed every guideline and still contracted COVID, though? In all of these months I have yet to go anywhere where every tenth person or so is wearing a mask that isn't covering their nose and/or mouth at least some of the time I pass by them, yet I'm the one without compassion because I think it's abhorrent to be glad someone has gotten ill or died? Fine. I'm just a terrible person. A terrible person with "Texas values" who wears two different masks high and tight inside public places. I agree with jeremysgirl. We're all frazzled after nearly one year of this pandemic. We see our friends and neighbors have people over. It's exhausting because we know that perhaps they were good for 10.75 months and made one mistake because they just couldn't handle it anymore. That is not what we're talking about (or at least not I). Not people who are trying to do the right thing and make a stupid mistake. Not people like you. It's people who we are supposed to look up to as pillars of our community. People we trust to tell and show us the right thing to do. People who we have elected to our Congress and our White House. It is simply not okay for them to continually - over and over again - show us that they don't care about the science UNIQUELY because their president told them not to care. Wearing a mask would be going against Trump. This is what this congressman did. He did not care about one person that he infected. How do I know this? Because over and over again he wouldn't wear a mask. How many people did this man infect? We don't know. Shame on him. And FWIW, I don't see that one person is telling you that you are without compassion leftturnonly. I see that some are saying that this man's life wasn't worth feeling super sad over because he continually chose over and over again to ignore science and infect others. Those are different things.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 9, 2021 2:53:32 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states? If you want, you can read about it here. I personally will not open the link because I don't want target ads from places like this. Basically, please believe in Judeo-Christian values and put God first, then family, then the Great State of Texas, which is apparently better than any state that exists, according to loyal and faithful Texans (probably regardless of political convictions )
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2021 3:06:43 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states? If you want, you can read about it here. I personally will not open the link because I don't want target ads from places like this. Basically, please believe in Judeo-Christian values and put God first, then family, then the Great State of Texas, which is apparently better than any state that exists, according to loyal and faithful Texans (probably regardless of political convictions ) The Texas values I follow include diverse cultures, inclusion, friendliness, long drives through wide open spaces, good music, and great food. You will not find better examples of these things all together anywhere else. But unfortunately, white Christian nationalism is found in lots of places, including Texas.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 9, 2021 3:25:04 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states? Texan here. I have no idea what "Texas values" might be other than bragging about how wonderful our state is.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 9, 2021 3:27:31 GMT
I am sad for the people who loved him and are going to miss their loved one.
I find it hard to muster up concern for Mr. Wright after he submitted a bill to have every woman AND the physician charged with murder if that woman had a legal abortion. That was when I began to have no warm feelings for him.
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Post by Zee on Feb 9, 2021 3:41:15 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states? Texans have a unique view of their state, as if it exists as its own country and no other state can measure up (well, that may be true in the contiguous states, since it's by far the biggest next to Alaska). I've only been there once but I got a kick out of my preferred brand of beer having special Texas packaging, with a Lone Star on it. Never seen any special Iowa, etc packaging on my beer.
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Post by tincin on Feb 9, 2021 6:39:12 GMT
Did he wear a mask? Did he wash his hands regularly? Did he social distance? TFB. Should we feel this way about those who get skin cancer after not wearing sunscreen? Should we feel this way about those who get diabetes? What about those who contract AIDS/HIIV? People here disgust me. Some people here disgust me. *edited because its not everyone. If people choose not to do these things, the only people they affect are themselves (assuming they aren’t sharing needles or having unprotected sex) however when anti-maskers choose to go out in public without a mask, they aren’t only affecting themselves. Like smokers who are no longer allowed to smoke inside public places because they harm other people, anti-maskers are doing the same damned thing, harming other people. If the are infected, they could potentially cause hundreds or thousands of deaths. That makes me angry as hell. Luckily, I haven’t lost anyone I love. That doesn’t mean I won’t. That may make me angry and bitter enough to one day say, “Oh an anti-masker died? BFD, at least it wasn’t someone who tried to be safe.”
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Post by tincin on Feb 9, 2021 6:50:07 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states? The others are beating around the bush but “Texas values” politically are guns, god, and anti-abortion, anti-immigrant, and Texas is the most important state in the country.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Feb 9, 2021 10:30:15 GMT
Should we feel this way about those who get skin cancer after not wearing sunscreen? Should we feel this way about those who get diabetes? What about those who contract AIDS/HIIV? People here disgust me. Some people here disgust me. *edited because its not everyone. If people choose not to do these things, the only people they affect are themselves (assuming they aren’t sharing needles or having unprotected sex) however when anti-maskers choose to go out in public without a mask, they aren’t only affecting themselves. Like smokers who are no longer allowed to smoke inside public places because they harm other people, anti-maskers are doing the same damned thing, harming other people. If the are infected, they could potentially cause hundreds or thousands of deaths. That makes me angry as hell. Luckily, I haven’t lost anyone I love. That doesn’t mean I won’t. That may make me angry and bitter enough to one day say, “Oh an anti-masker died? BFD, at least it wasn’t someone who tried to be safe.” I was going to stay out of this thread but I started getting twitchy with the comparison of Covid precautions and skin cancer precautions, etc. I do understand those comparisons are being made in the context of sympathy/grief/grace, but I’m glad you’ve jumped in to point out what is missing - harm to others - when framing some of these discussions. So now I’m jumping in to take your harm point further and compare flouting Covid precautions - or encouraging others to to do the same through example or exhortation or through knowingly misrepresenting a public health crisis for political and pandering reasons - to drunk driving. How we individually react to various Covid deaths is an individual calculus, and worthy of examination. How this man individually - and publicly - behaved is somewhat unclear. But in cases where the information is available and public and flagrant, my own calculus will probably be affected by the evidence of avoidable harm to others, just as it is with drunk drivers. My friend died in a drunk driving accident. She was the driver. I can both grieve and blame her.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 9, 2021 11:34:24 GMT
People who flout the basic precautions in the name of freedom endanger all of us, not just themselves. Most of the comparisons above (sunscreens, helmets, etc) are false equivalents. Each time we encounter someone who isn’t wearing a mask, it’s personal. It feels like having a gun pointed at our heads, even if we don’t know whether that gun is loaded.
So while I don’t feel it’s “TFB”, I understand this reaction. I have compassion for someone who feels this way, as well as compassion for those who have become confused about the meaning of freedom by following a cult leader.
We have all been damaged to some extent over this past year.
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Post by gar on Feb 9, 2021 14:22:49 GMT
My unpopular stance about this thread: there are some Peas that aren't eloquent with their words, and some that are often targeted for what they say, no matter what they say. Elannah, IMO, falls under both those categories. I can't help but feel like if one of the more eloquent, popular Peas had reflected the *shrug* mentality, they would've been lauded and liked, not accused of lacking humanity. Take that for what you will. I agree. It was blunt but not the first time that thought has been expressed on here by a long chalk. And the likes suggest you’re not alone in that thought.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 14:24:53 GMT
My friend died in a drunk driving accident. She was the driver. I can both grieve and blame her. I'm sorry about your friend. Very aptly put. An analysis between mask-wearing and resultant harm is much more an analogy of drunk driving and resultant harm, than sunscreen avoidance and resultant harm. Drunk drivers and mask avoiders put themselves AND OTHERS in the line of harm/death.
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