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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 9, 2021 17:04:50 GMT
The Texas values I follow include diverse cultures, inclusion, friendliness, long drives through wide open spaces, good music, and great food. these are the Arizona values I follow, too. But a lot of Arizonans think 'Arizona' and 'independence, individuality, and The Wild West' go together. Which can also mean bigotry, racism, and Trumpism, to distill it down to just a few words. Those Arizonans wouldn't do anything as simple as wear a mask for the collective good-- they don't believe in a 'collective' at all, basically (because that's Communist!  ). That's how I read the phrase 'Texas values' in the statement about Rep. Ron Wright. And it doesn't sound like I was entirely wrong. |
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Post by Zee on Feb 9, 2021 17:06:25 GMT
My unpopular stance about this thread: there are some Peas that aren't eloquent with their words, and some that are often targeted for what they say, no matter what they say. Elannah, IMO, falls under both those categories. I can't help but feel like if one of the more eloquent, popular Peas had reflected the *shrug* mentality, they would've been lauded and liked, not accused of lacking humanity. Take that for what you will. I agree. It was blunt but not the first time that thought has been expressed on here by a long chalk. And the likes suggest you’re not alone in that thought. I'm unsure who the "popular" peas are but you can be sure I'd feel this way and say what I said no matter who made the TFB comment. And I'm not even here for the justifications that are being made. It's a shit attitude to have about fellow human beings in general. I'm not limiting this thought to this one death, as I am now seeing being done ("but his voting record!"). I mean if your first thought is no mask? TFB! Then you are broken. Exiting this entire shitty thread. |
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Post by maryland on Feb 9, 2021 17:14:02 GMT
People who flout the basic precautions in the name of freedom endanger all of us, not just themselves. Most of the comparisons above (sunscreens, helmets, etc) are false equivalents. Each time we encounter someone who isn’t wearing a mask, it’s personal. It feels like having a gun pointed at our heads, even if we don’t know whether that gun is loaded. So while I don’t feel it’s “TFB”, I understand this reaction. I have compassion for someone who feels this way, as well as compassion for those who have become confused about the meaning of freedom by following a cult leader. We have all been damaged to some extent over this past year. That's exactly how I feel when I encounter someone without a mask (not as often) and someone with their nose sticking out (all the time). I feel like they have a gun pointed at the rest of us in the store.
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Post by gar on Feb 9, 2021 17:21:39 GMT
It's a shit attitude to have about fellow human beings in general. I'm not limiting this thought to this one death, as I am now seeing being done ("but his voting record!"). I mean if your first thought is no mask? TFB! Then you are broken. I completely agree. My point is that it's not new on here, that's all. |
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Post by MichyM on Feb 9, 2021 17:22:56 GMT
My unpopular stance about this thread: there are some Peas that aren't eloquent with their words, and some that are often targeted for what they say, no matter what they say. Elannah, IMO, falls under both those categories. I can't help but feel like if one of the more eloquent, popular Peas had reflected the *shrug* mentality, they would've been lauded and liked, not accused of lacking humanity. Take that for what you will. I agree. It was blunt but not the first time that thought has been expressed on here by a long chalk. And the likes suggest you’re not alone in that thought. My reaction to “TFB” has nothing to do with who said it. It’s that it was said at all. Full stop. By one of our own members at that <—— don’t know her, and honestly could not care less if she’s “popular” or not. Regarding popular peas. JFC. This has been discussed over and over and over again through the years. Please tell us: just who are the popular peas and are we back in middle school? And do they still wear pink on Wednesdays? |
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Post by gar on Feb 9, 2021 17:28:48 GMT
I agree. It was blunt but not the first time that thought has been expressed on here by a long chalk. And the likes suggest you’re not alone in that thought. My reaction to “TFB” has nothing to do with who said it. It’s that it was said at all. Full stop. By one of our own members at that <—— don’t know her, and honestly could not care less if she’s “popular” or not. Regarding popular peas. JFC. This has been discussed over and over and over again through the years. Please tell us: just who are the popular peas and are we back in middle school? And do they still wear pink on Wednesdays? I have no idea about 'popular' pea, I just think some people somehow trigger a different response from people, than if the same thing had been said by others. I don't think that's a stretch? I'm trying to think of other examples but I can't off the top of my head. And just to clarify - I am not defending the statement! |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 9, 2021 17:59:18 GMT
I agree. It was blunt but not the first time that thought has been expressed on here by a long chalk. And the likes suggest you’re not alone in that thought. My reaction to “TFB” has nothing to do with who said it. It’s that it was said at all. Full stop. By one of our own members at that <—— don’t know her, and honestly could not care less if she’s “popular” or not. Regarding popular peas. JFC. This has been discussed over and over and over again through the years. Please tell us: just who are the popular peas and are we back in middle school? And do they still wear pink on Wednesdays? There have been many of these same threads over the last year. Why did you react that way to this particular thread but not others? Here is just one example...where was your outraged reaction to this thread? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110232/herman-cain-died?page=1 I'll be very honest, I was taken aback by your initial handslappy response on this thread. What I got from you and christine58 is that because it's 2021 we (general we) need to get over any issues we have with republicans & COVID. Sorry it doesn't work that way at least not for me and from the responses on this thread I'm not alone in that thinking. |
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Post by Olan on Feb 9, 2021 18:10:41 GMT
Why is it so hard to acknowledge some peas aren’t received in the same way as other peas? And that it does come down to popularity! You even see the fence riding and posting tactics some use to maintain that “favored pea status” if you are paying attention.
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Post by myshelly on Feb 9, 2021 18:11:27 GMT
Brit here. What are ‘Texas values’ and how are they different from the values people hold in other states? Texan here. Texas was its own country before we voluntarily joined the United States. A lot of Texans still think of our state as something separate and unique from the rest of the US. There are constant calls for us to secede from the Union and be our own country again. We are very proud of the fact that our flag flies at the same height as the American flag, as opposed to below it like all the other states. We say a Pledge of Allegiance to our state when we say one to the US. We hero worship the defenders of the Alamo and fly the Come and Take it flag of the Texas Revolution. It’s a rugged individualism even more extreme than that of the US in general. We don’t have state income tax, we’re against government interventions and restrictions. We like wide open spaces. We don’t like California and New York. |
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Post by MichyM on Feb 9, 2021 18:12:42 GMT
My reaction to “TFB” has nothing to do with who said it. It’s that it was said at all. Full stop. By one of our own members at that <—— don’t know her, and honestly could not care less if she’s “popular” or not. Regarding popular peas. JFC. This has been discussed over and over and over again through the years. Please tell us: just who are the popular peas and are we back in middle school? And do they still wear pink on Wednesdays? There have been many of these same threads over the last year. Why did you react that way to this particular thread but not others? Here is just one example...where was your outraged reaction to this thread? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110232/herman-cain-died?page=1 I'll be very honest, I was taken aback by your initial handslappy response on this thread. What I got from you and christine58 is that because it's 2021 we (general we) need to get over any issues we have with republicans & COVID. Sorry it doesn't work that way at least not for me and from the responses on this thread I'm not alone in that thinking. You're ascribing intention to me that simply isn't there. I'm sorry that your assumption made you feel "taken aback" by my comment. I will admit to be handslappy. I was and still am absolutely FLOORED that one of our members said this "out loud." As to the post you linked, I didn't click into it but it doesn't ring a bell. Do you assume that we all read every thread posted on the board? Every 10th thread? That we're here every day, all day? I don't. |
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Post by mich5481 on Feb 9, 2021 18:15:43 GMT
I am a Republican, yet I still wear a mask and socially distance.
I hope if I die from COVID, no one says, "well, she deserved it for being a Republican."
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Post by Really Red on Feb 9, 2021 18:21:34 GMT
I am a Republican, yet I still wear a mask and socially distance. I hope if I die from COVID, no one says, "well, she deserved it for being a Republican." That is not what anyone has said or is saying. This is about people in power who refuse science. You are neither one nor doing the other. |
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Post by Really Red on Feb 9, 2021 18:26:14 GMT
There have been many of these same threads over the last year. Why did you react that way to this particular thread but not others? Here is just one example...where was your outraged reaction to this thread? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110232/herman-cain-died?page=1 I'll be very honest, I was taken aback by your initial handslappy response on this thread. What I got from you and christine58 is that because it's 2021 we (general we) need to get over any issues we have with republicans & COVID. Sorry it doesn't work that way at least not for me and from the responses on this thread I'm not alone in that thinking. You're ascribing intention to me that simply isn't there. I'm sorry that your assumption made you feel "taken aback" by my comment. I will admit to be handslappy. I was and still am absolutely FLOORED that one of our members said this "out loud." As to the post you linked, I didn't click into it but it doesn't ring a bell. Do you assume that we all read every thread posted on the board? Every 10th thread? That we're here every day, all day? I don't. I read the referenced post. I don't see that MichyM responded to that one, so I'm not really sure why you're referencing that and her. While personally, I have no issues with what Delta Dawn said, Michy's response was hardly handslappy. She asked if that language (the initials) was necessary. That's her opinion. That is what this board is all about. |
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Post by withapea on Feb 9, 2021 18:37:15 GMT
I can’t get over the fact that the guy had lung cancer and was so cavalier with his exposure and mask wearing. I feel for his people and hope his wife comes through without long lasting damage. Maybe it will make some of his circle take the pandemic more seriously.
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Post by Just T on Feb 9, 2021 18:39:52 GMT
I am a Republican, yet I still wear a mask and socially distance. I hope if I die from COVID, no one says, "well, she deserved it for being a Republican." I hope that is not really what you are taking from all this.
I know plenty of Republicans who do indeed wear masks. However, surely you can admit that Republicans made this all political, and as a general thing, they have downplayed the virus, called it a hoax, said it was going to disappear after the election, and our Republican representatives were often seen not only maskless, but also ridiculing those who do wear masks.
I can't imagine that anyone would say that anyone deserved to die because they were a Republican. That is not the same as thinking that karma caught up with someone who denied the seriousness of the virus and refused to wear a mask, yet got the virus and died.
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Post by jlynnbarth on Feb 9, 2021 19:04:39 GMT
My heart breaks for his family and loved ones. Having just lost a FIL to Covid, I know how bad it hurts. May his memory bring them joy.
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Post by quiltz on Feb 9, 2021 19:31:15 GMT
Did he wear a mask? Did he wash his hands regularly? Did he social distance? TFB. Your post is very mean. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 9, 2021 19:34:08 GMT
My reaction to “TFB” has nothing to do with who said it. It’s that it was said at all. Full stop. By one of our own members at that <—— don’t know her, and honestly could not care less if she’s “popular” or not. Regarding popular peas. JFC. This has been discussed over and over and over again through the years. Please tell us: just who are the popular peas and are we back in middle school? And do they still wear pink on Wednesdays? There have been many of these same threads over the last year. Why did you react that way to this particular thread but not others? Here is just one example...where was your outraged reaction to this thread? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110232/herman-cain-died?page=1 I'll be very honest, I was taken aback by your initial handslappy response on this thread. What I got from you and christine58 is that because it's 2021 we (general we) need to get over any issues we have with republicans & COVID. Sorry it doesn't work that way at least not for me and from the responses on this thread I'm not alone in that thinking. You got me all wrong. I never ever even implied we needed to get over it. My issue is the comment made by Delta Dawn. “TFB”. I blame the Republicans for this fucking mess. But that doesn’t mean I can’t have some compassion that this man died. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 9, 2021 20:45:07 GMT
I actually understand the covid fatigue and frustration. What I'm more surprised by is the taking the effort to enter a thread clearly identified as being about the death of a Republican Representative just so you can express your lack of compassion. There was a celebrity that died a year or so ago that I am not a fan of and cringe at the adoration of him. I didn't mourn his death or really have anything positive to say at his passing. I also didn't enter threads about him to talk about what an asshole he was- I guess I'm old school and when it comes to death err on the if you don't have anything nice to say...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2021 20:50:46 GMT
Having just lost a FIL to Covid, I know how bad it hurts. I'm sorry for your loss. |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 9, 2021 21:46:49 GMT
There have been many of these same threads over the last year. Why did you react that way to this particular thread but not others? Here is just one example...where was your outraged reaction to this thread? 2peasrefugees.boards.net/thread/110232/herman-cain-died?page=1 I'll be very honest, I was taken aback by your initial handslappy response on this thread. What I got from you and christine58 is that because it's 2021 we (general we) need to get over any issues we have with republicans & COVID. Sorry it doesn't work that way at least not for me and from the responses on this thread I'm not alone in that thinking. You got me all wrong. I never ever even implied we needed to get over it. My issue is the comment made by Delta Dawn . “TFB”. I blame the Republicans for this fucking mess. But that doesn’t mean I can’t have some compassion that this man died. Your first response was this, which implies you got "the hatred" before but not now: |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 9, 2021 22:26:00 GMT
You got me all wrong. I never ever even implied we needed to get over it. My issue is the comment made by Delta Dawn . “TFB”. I blame the Republicans for this fucking mess. But that doesn’t mean I can’t have some compassion that this man died. Your first response was this, which implies you got "the hatred" before but not now: The anymore was probably a poor choice of words. |
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Post by mich5481 on Feb 10, 2021 1:24:28 GMT
I'll preface this by saying I have no idea who Ron Wright is or his stance on COVID. I will say, I don't give two shits when someone dies from COVID if they refused to wear a mask, refused to social distance or who equated COVID to the flu. I'm going to paint with a very broad brush...republicans, from the top down, politicized it and downplayed it so I have zero fucks to give for them. Just because it's 2021 and the Biden administration is in, that does not make me feel sorry for or lessen my "hatred" for anyone who dies from COVID when they did not take it seriously. The peas can think I'm an asshole all they want. "Republicans from the top down" seems to include all Republicans... |
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Post by inkedup on Feb 10, 2021 1:45:00 GMT
So, on the one hand, those who didn't offer proper condolences to the Republican are monsters. But, on the other, 40k dead in TX is no big deal because percentages or Democrats or blue states? I'm sure your comments here will age just as well as the others you've made over the years. #walkaway |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 2:50:22 GMT
useful to consider population density in covid stats: Internet says: - Texas has 110 residents per square mile - New York has 27,000 people per square mile Larger cities in Texas are much higher (approx 3000 people per sq mile) than general Texas density, but no where near NY. |
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 10, 2021 3:37:26 GMT
I know that COVID got to me. I was ranting about criminals getting the vaccine before compromised people. Then a dear friend asked me if I thought minor offenders should die in prison, since they can't leave. Granted, if they want to leave they shouldn't have committed a crime. But the death penalty for theft is way too far. I had always thought prison employees were essential and should be vaccinated early, but not prisoners. Now I get it. Minds can change. While I might not grieve someone who was an anti-masker I won't celebrate their death. As usual, jeremysgirl said it so eloquently. The voice of reason is a very powerful voice. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 10, 2021 13:41:07 GMT
I know that COVID got to me. I was ranting about criminals getting the vaccine before compromised people. Then a dear friend asked me if I thought minor offenders should die in prison, since they can't leave. Granted, if they want to leave they shouldn't have committed a crime. But the death penalty for theft is way too far. I had always thought prison employees were essential and should be vaccinated early, but not prisoners. Now I get it. Minds can change. While I might not grieve someone who was an anti-masker I won't celebrate their death. As usual, jeremysgirl said it so eloquently. The voice of reason is a very powerful voice. This! scrapmaven you said what I was thinking. |
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Post by Merge on Feb 10, 2021 14:07:09 GMT
The Texas values I follow include diverse cultures, inclusion, friendliness, long drives through wide open spaces, good music, and great food. these are the Arizona values I follow, too. But a lot of Arizonans think 'Arizona' and 'independence, individuality, and The Wild West' go together. Which can also mean bigotry, racism, and Trumpism, to distill it down to just a few words. Those Arizonans wouldn't do anything as simple as wear a mask for the collective good-- they don't believe in a 'collective' at all, basically (because that's Communist! ). That's how I read the phrase 'Texas values' in the statement about Rep. Ron Wright. And it doesn't sound like I was entirely wrong. You're not wrong. I just like to deflect.  |
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Post by Merge on Feb 10, 2021 14:09:41 GMT
My takeaway from your comment is that the 40K deaths in Texas, including that of the representative, are no big deal because NYC had more? Odd perspective. |
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