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Post by worrywart on Mar 8, 2021 4:00:15 GMT
I watched. I'm not up on the Royal Family or H & M but for a large part of the interview, Megan seemed to be on the verge of tears. It seemed genuine to me.
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Post by julieb on Mar 8, 2021 4:08:56 GMT
No, this thread isn’t about suicide. But there are several comments that are troubling in regards to how people view mental health issues and suicidal ideation. For one thing, having suicidal thoughts doesn’t mean that someone “wants” to die. And many women do have suicidal thoughts—during pregnancy and beyond. Saying that she must be lying (because, after all, what kind of mother would have mental health issues, right?) is not helpful for her or those who are also feeling this way. These comments also came across to me as if people have a choice if they have suicidal thoughts or not, which is often not true. Sigh. If this was a thread specifically about suicide. I wouldn’t have said what I said. It was in the context of this subject. She very well could have been. The way she presented it, and the timing seemed off. That’s all. The timing?? Shit - you know NOTHING about depression and suicidal thoughts. Grrrr. Shut up already. I believed every word she said because I guess you need to be in that state to understand, which is sad for you. |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 8, 2021 4:10:35 GMT
Well, I guess I will be in the minority and say that I found her extremely sympathetic, and that I find her accusations about the royals credible.
Also, I really want that yard.
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Post by julieb on Mar 8, 2021 4:14:32 GMT
Oprah clarified she was talking suicide. At least that is how I heard it. And she said it scared her and she shouldn’t be left alone. Does that sound like someone who truly wanted to die? Yes! I was VERY afraid to be alone when I was suicidal. It is better to be around others so you don't do it. Duh. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 4:18:35 GMT
And she said it scared her and she shouldn’t be left alone. Does that sound like someone who truly wanted to die? Yes! I was VERY afraid to be alone when I was suicidal. It is better to be around others so you don't do it. Duh. You don’t necessarily want to *die* as much as you just don’t want to live with the pain anymore and you don’t see any other way out of it. (And yes, I’ve been there too.) |
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 8, 2021 4:27:34 GMT
Everyone lies but the peas have the inside track on the *real* truth 🙃 I'm not sure what licensing fees are. Is it possible their payment came in a way that is wasn't licensing fees? Did they say why they did it if not for the moneu? |
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Post by Lianna on Mar 8, 2021 4:31:43 GMT
The Canadian government only provided security until they officially stepped down last March. After that they were on their own. And it was when they LEFT Canada to go to the USA, in March that the RCMP stopped providing security. eonline isn't exactly a go-to for information. I have friends within the RCMP who worked this security detail. As part of a Commonwealth family, there are responsibilities within the Commonwealth. They said they decided to come to the U.S. after they learned they were losing their security, which was occuring when they officially finished their royal duties in March. |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2021 4:33:29 GMT
Also, I really want that yard You may already know this - but it's not either theirs or Oprah's yard. Supposedly belongs to "a friend" although last time it turned out they had rented an Airbnb for the day I mean, WHO THE FUCK CARES!? Once again, let me spell out the purpose of a DICUSSION board, and the reason people do very public media interviews - for other people to watch and then talk about them. Surely that isn't beyond your ability to understand? If Harry and Meghan don't want people talking about them, they could just go and live very private lives somewhere and I'm sure in a few weeks everyone would forget about them...they are front and center in the media because they are choosing this option. which of course begs the question why do YOU care so much about what MY opinions are? Don't like them - move on, don't read them or put me on ignore but clearly evidenced by the capital letters etc, you do seem to care what I think...how sweet. Oh and here's another spoiler alert for you, this sort of reaction - just makes me post my opinions on the topic even more, just to piss off people like you who want to stop these sorts of discussions. Now back to Sux-fest 2021... |
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Post by femalebusiness on Mar 8, 2021 4:35:52 GMT
Everyone lies but the peas have the inside track on the *real* truth 🙃 I'm not sure what licensing fees are. Is it possible their payment came in a way that is wasn't licensing fees? Did they say why they did it if not for the moneu? Are you kidding? If even half of what she is saying is true I'd sure as hell want to go public to have my say. I would not be silenced Queen or no Queen. I like Meghan and Harry and hope they endure as a couple. |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 8, 2021 4:37:31 GMT
Also, I really want that yard You may already know this - but it's not either theirs or Oprah's yard. Supposedly belongs to "a friend" although last time it turned out they had rented an Airbnb for the day I mean, WHO THE FUCK CARES!? Once again, let me spell out the purpose of a DICUSSION board, and the reason people do very public media interviews - for other people to watch and then talk about them. Surely that isn't beyond your ability to understand? If Harry and Meghan don't want people talking about them, they could just go and live very private lives somewhere and I'm sure in a few weeks everyone would forget about them...they are front and center in the media because they are choosing this option. which of course begs the question why do YOU care so much about what MY opinions are? Don't like them - move on, don't read them or put me on ignore but clearly evidenced by the capital letters etc, you do seem to care what I think...how sweet. Oh and here's another spoiler alert for you, this sort of reaction - just makes me post my opinions on the topic even more, just to piss off people like you who want to stop these sorts of discussions. Now back to Sux-fest 2021... The speculation I saw was that the yard was Reese Witherspoon’s. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 4:43:51 GMT
Also, I really want that yard You may already know this - but it's not either theirs or Oprah's yard. Supposedly belongs to "a friend" although last time it turned out they had rented an Airbnb for the day I mean, WHO THE FUCK CARES!? Once again, let me spell out the purpose of a DICUSSION board, and the reason people do very public media interviews - for other people to watch and then talk about them. Surely that isn't beyond your ability to understand? If Harry and Meghan don't want people talking about them, they could just go and live very private lives somewhere and I'm sure in a few weeks everyone would forget about them...they are front and center in the media because they are choosing this option. which of course begs the question why do YOU care so much about what MY opinions are? Don't like them - move on, don't read them or put me on ignore but clearly evidenced by the capital letters etc, you do seem to care what I think...how sweet. Oh and here's another spoiler alert for you, this sort of reaction - just makes me post my opinions on the topic even more, just to piss off people like you who want to stop these sorts of discussions. Now back to Sux-fest 2021... Deflect, deflect, deflect. It’s more than “discussion”. Your hate for her is white-hot. It’s like you’re obsessed with her. Talk about what you want. You just reveal that you’re actually either batshit crazy jealous of her, or batshit crazy racist. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Mar 8, 2021 4:45:16 GMT
I didn't see the full interview, just clips, but was confused by the prince controversy regarding Archie. When he was born it sounded like they didn't even want a courtesy title and I recall the "controversy" that when Charles becomes king a prince title would be forced on him - in this interview it sounded like they wanted the prince title and that it was against "protocol" that he was denied the title.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2021 4:55:37 GMT
You just reveal that you’re actually either batshit crazy jealous of her, or batshit crazy racist. Nope, neither, I am fully capable of disliking someone one their own merits that have nothing to do with either of those things...like you. Are you jealous of me? Or are you anti white people? Your argument makes zero logical sense. I'm also not deflecting anything, I have always said exactly what I think about both of them...and will continue to do so even as you bang furiously away on your keyboard telling me I can't. |
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Post by sideways on Mar 8, 2021 5:02:01 GMT
You just reveal that you’re actually either batshit crazy jealous of her, or batshit crazy racist. Nope, neither, I am fully capable of disliking someone one their own merits that have nothing to do with either of those things...like you. Are you jealous of me? Or are you anti white people? Your argument makes zero logical sense. I'm also not deflecting anything, I have always said exactly what I think about both of them...and will continue to do so even as you bang furiously away on your keyboard telling me I can't. Methinks thou doth protest too much. I truly never have seen anyone so obsessed with someone else that has absolutely no bearing on their life whatsoever. Sure, there’s “discussion”, but it’s like you have some kind of obsessive vendetta against her. Keep deflecting, though. It’s amusing. And if I recall correctly, I said in my last post to talk about who you want. Just like I can talk about how it shows just how batshit crazy you are. |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2021 5:17:19 GMT
I didn't see the full interview, just clips, but was confused by the prince controversy regarding Archie. When he was born it sounded like they didn't even want a courtesy title and I recall the "controversy" that when Charles becomes king a prince title would be forced on him - in this interview it sounded like they wanted the prince title and that it was against "protocol" that he was denied the title. They did say that they had a refused a title so that he could live a more normal life. I think they are spinning this now for sympathy. I don't understand where this whole "security" issue they have stems from? Who in the recent Royal family has been in danger? And if they are going to male comparisons with Diana's death - she was the one who refused Royal protection officers. They were offered to her but she was worried they were going to spy on her and report back to the RF so she said no to them. I don't know all the specifics and it is probably true that a child in the RF who isn't a "Prince/ss" won't get personal protection out of public funds, I very much doubt that there wouldn't have been any at all. I would think that Charles (then later William) would have funded that out of the Duchy of Cornwall monies. I cannot imagine a scenario where they would leave the child of Harry running around town with no personal protection at all, which is what Meghan is making it sound like. I also think the no title thing was the RF being cautious, here you have a wife who has zero ties to the UK...if those two got divorced then it is reasonable to think she would move back to the USA with her child, then the RF would have to fund everything for a Prince in another country which would be much more complicated & expensive than a wife who would stay living in the UK. Look at Peter Phillips, his wife is Canadian, they had the Queen's first great grandchild, and she doesn't have a title either. You don't hear them complaining about security for their two children. *ETA: She's also misleading when she says him not having a title is "against protocol" it may be protocol for the grandson of the reigning Monarch to have a title, but Archie isn't the Queen's grandson, he's her great-grandson. When Charles becomes the reigning Monarch THEN maybe it will be against protocol, but that scenario hasn't happened yet. Although I'd be willing to bet that's totally off the table after this interview! |
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Post by flanz on Mar 8, 2021 5:47:40 GMT
Well, I guess I will be in the minority and say that I found her extremely sympathetic, and that I find her accusations about the royals credible. Also, I really want that yard. Me too! |
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Post by lisacharlotte on Mar 8, 2021 5:50:53 GMT
Fact checking is going to disprove a lot of their “truth”.
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Post by prapea on Mar 8, 2021 7:18:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 11:03:35 GMT
I didn't see the full interview, just clips, but was confused by the prince controversy regarding Archie. When he was born it sounded like they didn't even want a courtesy title and I recall the "controversy" that when Charles becomes king a prince title would be forced on him - in this interview it sounded like they wanted the prince title and that it was against "protocol" that he was denied the title. I haven't seen the full interview but going on what has been posted on here and the snippets that have been released here, Meghan has totally misinterpreted and given quite a false narrative of why Archie doesn't have a title. You're right they did say that they ( H & M ) didn't want a title so he could lead a more normal life but he also wasn't " entitled" to one either. It goes back to the time of letters patent by George V ( the Queens grandfather) more than a 100 years ago when he declared the children and grandchildren of a sovereign have the automatic right to the title HRH and prince or princess. Archie is the great grandchild of the Queen, one of nine. Non of them have titles except for Prince William's children who is a direct heir to the throne. Heck some of her grandchildren don't have titles. Princess Anne and Prince Edward chose for them not to have any. George V’s declaration means that only Prince George, as a great-grandson of the monarch down the direct line of succession to the throne, was originally entitled to be a prince, as he is the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales. The Queen did step in ahead of George’s birth to issue letters patent to ensure the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s children would have the titles of prince and princess. But they are children of the future monarch, whereas Archie is not. His father, Harry, is sixth in line to the throne, and will move down the line of succession if William and Kate have more children, and as George, Charlotte and Louis have children of their own. There is very little chance of Harry or his children to ever be a monarch. |
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Post by twinks on Mar 8, 2021 11:12:02 GMT
I watched it and feel bad that I did. That said, I really have never liked her so perhaps my opinions were tainted.
The Monarchy is a family and a business. To me, when you are marrying a member of a family, you are also marrying into a family. In this case, you are also marrying into the business. Just because you didn’t do your research doesn’t mean they are bad people. It means that you made a mistake and didn’t do your research. While in a family, your child is just as important and exciting as your siblings child, in public and in a Monarchy, your child doesn’t hold the same rank and your sibling’s child who is in line for the Crown. Sorry, that is reality.
She came across as a prima donna and always had done. Her expectations and reality didn’t come together. Case in point is her meeting the Queen for the first time. I could almost hear her thoughts of, “Oh seriously, I have to courtesy?” That would be a clue that perhaps reality isn’t in line with your expectations. Another point is her and Harry’s job. Yes, life happens and there are times that you have to just suck it up, put on a smile and go to work. That is reality. The RF is photographed. The RF are all scrutinized. I mean Kate wears the same dress and we get pictures from the 1st time she wore it as compared to now. Kate is more in line with reality than the amount of money spent on Meagan’s clothing, but both are commented on in the media.
It comes down to respect. Kate earned the respect she is given because she respects others. Even in respecting the privacy of the family. Meagan could have her voice and respect if she had simply gone about it differently.
I do believe that “the Firm” talked about race before marriage. I am sure “the Firm” discussed many things like, married before, divorced, actress, American, etc. To me, it is only natural for a loving family to express their concerns and point out things to consider. But both have taken the discussions like a huge negative - Meagan about race and Harry has let it ruin a good relationship with his brother.
I listened to Harry throwing Prince Charles and his family under the bus and I kept thinking about the consequences. I admire Prince Charles wanting Harry to write down his plan. It puts it on paper and forces you to think about the consequences. Being Royal and being in the public is his job. If he doesn’t want to do his job then he doesn’t get the money. Sort of like everyone else. We would all like the money and not have to work. But that isn’t reality.
To me, she deserves an award for her acting. She used all the right buzz words. She uses them with Harry to manipulate him to get what she wants. While I totally believe her when she states that she was feeling like, “What have I gotten myself into and how do I get myself out of this,” it comes across like, once again, too manipulative. Again, using the buzz words and worse of all, using the same situation as Diana to get to Harry. And before you go off on me for being unsympathetic and calling suicidal feelings manipulative, I have btdt and even admitted to the hospital after a suicide attempt. Meagan’s situation just felt different and more like she wanted attention.
I feel badly for all involved. It has to be hard on everyone and no one deserves to be thrown under the bus.
Thanks for indulging me. I apologize for my length, I have no one to talk with about the show. I also have my opinions and last night just cemented my opinions of Meagan and Harry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 11:35:12 GMT
Sigh. If this was a thread specifically about suicide. I wouldn’t have said what I said. It was in the context of this subject. She very well could have been. The way she presented it, and the timing seemed off. That’s all. The timing?? Shit - you know NOTHING about depression and suicidal thoughts. Grrrr. Shut up already. I believed every word she said because I guess you need to be in that state to understand, which is sad for you. I won't be so arrogant as to disbelieve how she herself felt or the state of her mental health but what I will comment on is that I have my doubts that she had no idea how to get help. The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge together with Prince Harry ( before he married Meghan) launched a mental health charity here called Heads Together and are very active with their support for the charities involved. LINK
In addition to that all four of them in 2019 headed a strong campaign for " Every mind matters" . Every mind matters At the time Prince Harry expressed how much Prince William had supported him in getting professional help to deal with his mental health. Prince William and Catherine have been very active in their support to mental health during the pandemic too LINKI find it difficult to try and understand why Megahn is now saying she had no one to confide in or to seek help from. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 8, 2021 11:52:57 GMT
Well, I cracked and watched it. Here is what made my jaw drop:
“A running theme so far is Meghan purposely not researching the inner workings of the family before joining. She said Harry asked her if she knew how to curtsy five minutes before she met the queen. “We were in the car!”
It is incredible that she wouldn’t have done some research to know what she was getting into. That would help to explain why she struggled so much. She said something about how growing up, living where she did (LA?) she saw celebrities all of the time. And she knew celebrities. Is it possible that she conflated the Royal life and the life of a celebrity? I don’t know, but that, together with tabloid headlines, would explain a lot.
I have no problem believing that she got depressed and felt suicidal. I do find it hard to believe that someone as resourceful as she couldn’t figure out how to get some sort of help.
It was interesting, and it reminded me of what a skillful interviewer Oprah is.
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Post by christine58 on Mar 8, 2021 11:56:04 GMT
Who in the recent Royal family has been in danger? Wasn't there a reported threat to one of William's children at their school??? |
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Post by christine58 on Mar 8, 2021 11:58:18 GMT
Don’t believe her at all. I am sure they got paid. Why? Just curious, is it because you don’t like Harry, Megan, or Oprah? I misinterpreted what I read. Apparently CBS payed a license fee of between $7 million and $9 million for the rights to air Winfrey’s interview. I wonder who they paid??? |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2021 12:02:06 GMT
There's a lot to unpack here, now that I've finally watched the entire thing.
Firstly, they blurred his bald spot, I couldn't stop staring at that blurry halo on his head. He must be so vain about that. In reality he looks like Friar Tuck.
So many inconsistencies he says one thing she says another - so one version isn't true.
I was wrong on a couple of points, I've always speculated that Charles was still funding them...but it's the Queen. The only person both of them said nice things about was Granny - so it's the bank of Granny keeping them afloat right now.
They threw Charles right under the bus. I thought The Queen would be the tough one and Charles the pushover, but it looks like it's the other way around.
I also thought this would be a soft ball interview, and the questions were, but I was surprised how hard Meghan went in, I used the term scorched earth in my first post and she's certainly made sure there's no way back into that family for either of them.
I didn't think these two blathering on about how hard their lives are would have much impact, but they pulled out the big guns of racism, and suicide and I do think this will have a lasting negative effect on the Royal family.
I absolutely don't believe her about how she got no help with the suicidal thoughts. Kate went to hospital with severe morning sickness all 3 times, and she's trying to tell us they refused when she expressed wanting to harm herself? No way. Then she later went on the prove that they could indeed get an ambulance and go to hospital and have a baby without anyone knowing. She & Harry could have just gone, FFS it's the Royal family, they aren't held there at gunpoint.
I don't believe the "Kate made me cry" story at all either.
There were also some odd things that make no sense, I think only in the media is she called Kate, I think she's Catherine within the family, also her use of "Fergie" again if she's such good friends with Eugenie and has met her mother multiple times, then surely she would call her Sarah and not Fergie? as again, that's what the media use and not the family. So none of those stories ring true to me.
And WTF was up with her thinking she's The Little Mermaid? That's just weird.
I can't believe how pressed Meghan is about those damn titles, that is really bugging her, you can see how desperately she wanted that, she even researched the protocol (and then got it wrong) No-one changed it because Archie was mixed race...if the grandchildren of the reigning monarch are supposed to be styled as Prince/Princess then explain Edward's kids? Neither of them has that title, and that was many years before Archie.
I think she's still hoping to have the new little "Princess Diana"
Oprah asks Harry if Meghan's race was a problem when they started dating and he says "no" quite definitely, then Meghan stares him down and he realises he said the wrong thing and has to backpeddle.
As for Harry not knowing he was trapped until Meghan told him...and he's been trying to educate the others? He's quite delusional.
They think they are a perfect match, but it's quite dysfunctional, she found the one Royal with ongoing issues and made herself over as Diana 2.0 and now he thinks he's happily married to his mother.
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Post by kibblesandbits on Mar 8, 2021 12:03:45 GMT
Okay, NO ONE is talking about the "what color will the baby be" bombshell and the lack of backup facts or information after that drop? I was sorta with her until then. Don't pull out that card for the reaction, but fail to provide the backup.
It's all so implausible. Her "I had NO IDEA" rap right from the get go. Come ON. Even I had an idea, and I'm just some hick from Michigan. You know darn well she had an idea.
I don't care about them either way, wasn't even going to watch but weirdly my DH wanted to.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Mar 8, 2021 12:07:52 GMT
The twitterverse is all over Prince Charles and the interview. Sounds like he’s going to get the worse of it, and then Megan and fact checking her has begun.
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2021 12:13:36 GMT
The twitterverse is all over Prince Charles and the interview. Sounds like he’s going to get the worse of it and I don't doubt that Harry knew that and did it deliberately. It's revenge pure and simple, you stop taking my calls and cut me off financially - this is what you get. What a spoiled brat. All because Charles didn't just rubber stamp whatever half assed plan these two twits came up with. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Mar 8, 2021 12:21:40 GMT
Why? Just curious, is it because you don’t like Harry, Megan, or Oprah? I misinterpreted what I read. Apparently CBS payed a license fee of between $7 million and $9 million for the rights to air Winfrey’s interview. I wonder who they paid??? Gotcha ya. Thanks for the response. I am not sure who they paid, I haven’t really read anything on it. I would assume it was whatever company (Oprah’s?) produced the interview. But who knows. Hahaha 🤷♀️ |
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Post by pjaye on Mar 8, 2021 12:25:06 GMT
Okay, NO ONE is talking about the "what color will the baby be" bombshell and the lack of backup facts or information after that drop? My bet would be Prince Philip, he has a history of saying stupid shit without thinking first. That's probably why they refused to say who it was. It's about the intent behind that conversation, I'll bet that every mixed race couple and some members of their family have at some point wondered what their child's eventual skin colour will be. Just thinking or talking about that isn't racist in itself...it only becomes racist if there is a negative connotation. I have very pale skin and if I was having a baby with a man of a different tone, it seems completely natural to be wondering what our children will look like. Harry says the conversation was "very early on" and that it was along the lines of "wonder what the kids will look like?" Meghan retells it as happening during her pregnancy and that it was "wonder how dark he'll be?" and implies that they didn't want to give the Prince title to a baby of mixed race. Only one of those is true, and as Harry was the one who was present, it seems likely that his version is more accurate. |
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