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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 2:37:17 GMT
Everyone I know has a large medical deductible. That’s life in the US. Hospitals will work with patients on a payment plan. I guess it’s easier to ask for a handout from strangers then to figure out how to be an adult and take care of your own responsibilities.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 2:39:53 GMT
Based on her saying “super rare identical twins” my guess is this is a mono/mono twin pregnancy, which has a high rate of complications. Having said that, they have had at least 5-6 months of this pregnancy to make some basic plans. It’s consignment sale season where you can pick up all kinds of used baby equipment at great prices- sometimes even for the price of a Starbucks run 😉 They went to the zoo beginning of this month. Way to plan. How can she be walking around a zoo if she’s on medical leave from a high risk pregnancy?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 2:43:18 GMT
They went to the zoo beginning of this month. Way to plan. How can she be walking around a zoo if she’s on medical leave from a high risk pregnancy? Beats me?! http://instagram.com/p/CNTdqnsBnef
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 15, 2021 16:18:04 GMT
My guess is she had a zoo pass. For us, a zoo pass is way cheaper than paying each time we go.
I have to know someone well to participate in any of these money requests. Even then, I have a hard time with some of the requests.
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Post by Skellinton on Apr 15, 2021 16:39:33 GMT
My guess is she had a zoo pass. For us, a zoo pass is way cheaper than paying each time we go. I have to know someone well to participate in any of these money requests. Even then, I have a hard time with some of the requests. I don't think anyone is questioning the cost of the Zoo, I think they are questioning how she can be at the zoo when she is on medical leave for a high risk pregnancy. I have never been to a zoo that didn't require a lot of walking. Frankly if you are on medical leave don't post pics of you out and about. Kind of like people calling in sick to work after posting pictures of them partying the night before. Just not a good look.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Apr 15, 2021 16:45:23 GMT
Just vote for candidates that will pass a proper universal healthcare system bill. Stop crowdfunding your family's "special" needs and start putting money in the pot for all. I don't have kids nor will I have kids because of a personal choice but I'm happy to help pay for other people's children being born without any kind of social media followership/skin colour/middle class privilege bias.
Don't you love how Margie's sister is enumerating the long list of baby necessities because they can't hold a baby shower? I'm sorry but what? First of all, you were counting on an in-person baby shower (during a pandemic nonetheless) to fund your baby/babies' stuff? Secondly, are all the people you were planning on inviting "off the hook" now so you need to ask strangers on the interwebz to step up instead? This is emotional robbery. How many of those followers for who Starbucks is a rare treat will feel sympathy and throw in a few dollars? It's not fair. It's manipulative as hell. If the daughter needs help with her medical bills, there are other solutions in the US (although, again, I stand for a system in which people don't go bankrupt or into debt over healthcare) that require vetting the file and checking the financial facts. If they can't afford baby car seats, I suggest Modest Needs, an awesome American charity that will vet their finances and approve an emergency loan to fund these car seats directly (money goes to the vendor/supplier, not the parents/grandparents' Venmo). And it's a TAX DEDUCTIBLE donation for the sponsor.
VENMO. IS. NOT. CHARITY. OR. PROPER. SOCIAL. FUNDING. Stop buying into these heartstring-pulling pleas, people. You are being taken advantage of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 16:55:50 GMT
I’m wondering what the husband does for a living. There was no mention of him in the post where she asked for money.
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Post by jediannie on Apr 15, 2021 17:31:44 GMT
Frankly if you are on medical leave don't post pics of you out and about. Kind of like people calling in sick to work after posting pictures of them partying the night before. Just not a good look. Exactly. One of my former coworkers was out on medical leave for 2 months because he threw his back out at work moving something he shouldn't have been moving by himself. About 2 weeks from the end of his leave, he posted on social media photos of himself in Hawaii hiking and doing all kinds of things something with a back injury shouldn't have been doing. He was sued for fraud and got fired. Long story short - DON'T POST PHOTOS ON SOCIAL MEDIA WHEN YOU'RE OUT ON MEDICAL LEAVE DOING STRENUOUS THINGS YOU BONEHEADS!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 17:34:46 GMT
Having had a high risk pregnancy, my high risk OBGYN and regular OBGYN would have been soooooo super duper mad if I went to the zoo. I wasn't even allowed to vacuum for quite some time.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 15, 2021 17:37:29 GMT
My guess is she had a zoo pass. For us, a zoo pass is way cheaper than paying each time we go. I have to know someone well to participate in any of these money requests. Even then, I have a hard time with some of the requests. I don't think anyone is questioning the cost of the Zoo, I think they are questioning how she can be at the zoo when she is on medical leave for a high risk pregnancy. I have never been to a zoo that didn't require a lot of walking. Frankly if you are on medical leave don't post pics of you out and about. Kind of like people calling in sick to work after posting pictures of them partying the night before. Just not a good look. Our zoo has trams, (air and land), wheelchairs, and scooters. I am not supporting the decision to fund her account, but as an avid zoo goer, I just see there are some options for a pregnant woman to get into and around safely at a zoo. I worked with teachers who didn't have sick days at the end of their career before they retired. They requested other people's leave days when they got pregnant or had an emergency. I had two maternity leaves, two parents' deaths, and other emergencies in my teaching career and I still ended up with 250 sick days at the end of my career. I get people have to plan ahead. I also shake my head at their requests.
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Post by stormycat on Apr 15, 2021 18:57:34 GMT
Well I’m currently sitting here with my 4 yr old who is inpatient at Chop. We are expecting to be here for a few weeks to a month or more. I don’t need help meeting my oop family deductible of 16,000, because I already hit that for the year. I’m also a medical foster parent, and when I got the call about the 4 yr old mentioned above, he was 10 weeks old. I got the call on Wednesday, visited him on Thursday and brought him home on Friday. I had to buy a crib , mattress, car seat, special stroller for his equipment, bottles, you name it I bought it. Then I did it again when surprise birth mom was pregnant again 13 mo later and I knew I was getting another baby, abs he came 6 weeks early, so I still scrambled to get everything I needed. But I did it. My point is I didn’t rely on anyone for his needs. I’m not so high and mighty to think that others don’t struggle with getting baby stuff. I have a feeling that soliciting for money is so they can get the best or designer items. I just would never think to ask for money for everything for a new baby or 2. Don’t they have friends that maybe have a crib or a diaper bag they aren’t using? They weren’t planning on buying any items for their new babies? Especially the big ticket items? I know I’m just rambling, it’s just crazy to beg for money because you have to pay your deductible, and items needed for your new babies. It’s almost like they are shocked that they have to pay insurance costs and since there is no baby shower they will have nothing for the babies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 19:58:53 GMT
Well looks like she bought a huge bundle of used twin girl clothes.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 15, 2021 20:25:46 GMT
this might be petty, or stepping over the line, but it's Instagram, so it's public, right? I didn't know who she was, so I went and looked. Well looks like she bought a huge bundle of used twin girl clothes. And one of her previous Instagram posts is: "What does it take to blow $10,000 a year? Just $27.40 a day in miscellaneous spending." And her comment on this post? "Savings, financial freedom, no credit card debt, my goal for 2021. I’m so close, but I can definitely get there faster if I just stay away from that Amazon cart." I get that people can spend money on whatever they want. And we are all free to give them money, or NOT, based on what we think about it. --------------------------------------------------------------- She'll DEFINITELY get to financial freedom faster with people donating money and all sorts of stuff for her! Maybe she didn't know her mother was going to post, asking for money... at least I hope she didn't know. I do wonder if a large part of it really is their religion; from some of the other posts on some of those accounts, Mormonism certainly *does* sound a lot like that "prosperity gospel" type of church. (I think someone earlier in this thread posted about that... I think I agree with that sentiment more now.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 21:01:36 GMT
this might be petty, or stepping over the line, but it's Instagram, so it's public, right? I didn't know who she was, so I went and looked. Well looks like she bought a huge bundle of used twin girl clothes. And one of her previous Instagram posts is: "What does it take to blow $10,000 a year? Just $27.40 a day in miscellaneous spending." And her comment on this post? "Savings, financial freedom, no credit card debt, my goal for 2021. I’m so close, but I can definitely get there faster if I just stay away from that Amazon cart." I get that people can spend money on whatever they want. And we are all free to give them money, or NOT, based on what we think about it. --------------------------------------------------------------- She'll DEFINITELY get to financial freedom faster with people donating money and all sorts of stuff for her! Maybe she didn't know her mother was going to post, asking for money... at least I hope she didn't know. I do wonder if a large part of it really is their religion; from some of the other posts on some of those accounts, Mormonism certainly *does* sound a lot like that "prosperity gospel" type of church. (I think someone earlier in this thread posted about that... I think I agree with that sentiment more now.) Her daughter also posted it on her own IG.
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Post by joblackford on Apr 16, 2021 1:21:29 GMT
OMG. Baby gear: my local Buy Nothing group is full of it - it goes around and it comes around, and we're not a really "community" kind of community, not compared to some religious or more settled/wealthy neighborhoods. But people share and help each other out. You can get baby gear to borrow or as hand me downs pretty easily. Or, like you guys said, do a zoom baby shower and get your friends to chip in for the essentials.
FMLA is a bitch, and there are many reasons you won't qualify, including having taken too much sick leave because you're pregnant and sick so you don't have enough worked hours accrued in the time period they assess, but anyway that's not random social media followers' problem.
$8000 *Out of pocket maximum* - their deductible isn't $8000, that's their maximum spend out of pocket after which insurance will cover 100%, which in this crazy fucked up US system is actually quite good. I'm pretty sure that's about a silver level plan, so moderately good health insurance. (I have a gold plan because I have to pay for 4 MRIs every year and my OOPmax is $3500 ish, the year I had a spinal cord tumor surgery it was a silver plan, about $7500). Anyway, you know you're going to have to pay $8000 out of pocket, give or take, well, that sucks, but you make a plan, finance through the hospital, etc etc etc.
I personally think they mentioned the $8000 hoping/knowing people would think that was their deductible not their maximum... hoping people would think that was the minimum they would pay and that it could be so much more.
I'm not venmoing people random money under any circumstances - at least if GFM claims turn out to be fraudulent you can do something about it. Like Booty said, Venmo is not for charity! Who is sending untraceable money to strangers on the internet?! come on people...
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Post by jediannie on Apr 16, 2021 1:26:58 GMT
I reported the post on instagram as scam/fraud because I'm petty like that.
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Post by joblackford on Apr 16, 2021 1:27:53 GMT
Everyone I know has a large medical deductible. That’s life in the US. Hospitals will work with patients on a payment plan. I guess it’s easier to ask for a handout from strangers then to figure out how to be an adult and take care of your own responsibilities. Yes! My hospital assumed that I would need to use a payment plan after my 3 day stay after surgery a few years back. The amount billed to the health insurance for those 3 days was something like $75-100k, a very large proportion of which was immediately "written off" (which just seems like a scam). Anyway, the bill to me after I hit my out of pocket max was ~$6500 and the hospital actually gave me a 5-10% discount because I didn't need a payment plan. Financing your medical bills is absolutely expected in the messed up US system.
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Post by wendifful on Apr 16, 2021 2:52:32 GMT
I do wonder if a large part of it really is their religion; from some of the other posts on some of those accounts, Mormonism certainly *does* sound a lot like that "prosperity gospel" type of church. (I think someone earlier in this thread posted about that... I think I agree with that sentiment more now.) Obviously I can't speak for everyone who is/was Mormon, but I wouldn't characterize Mormonism as prosperity gospel. I was an active member until my early 20s and now have been inactive for many years. I don't agree with the church on everything (obviously), but one thing I think they do right is preaching financial independence and the importance of saving. We were told that there were only two good reasons to go (willingly) into debt: college/education and a house. You'll notice that cars didn't even make that list, something that most people make payments for at some time in their life. (And to clarify, I don't think the view was that making payments on a modest, practical or used car was bad if you needed one, more that you shouldn't buy a brand new and/or extravagant car you can't afford outright.) In general, I've found that Mormons believe that their reward will be in heaven, not necessarily financial gain in this life. In my experience, the Mormon community is incredibly giving when people have tough life experiences. For example, in my local ward (congregation), there was a family with 5 kids whose dad got cancer and it wasn't expected that he'd survive. The family wasn't poor but they also didn't have a lot of disposable income. Somehow the ward coordinated the family taking a trip and while the family was gone over a weekend, they went in and remodeled their house (repainted, recarpeted, etc) all on their own dime and with many volunteers from the church. (We had several members of our ward who were general contractors, so it wasn't like these were slapdash jobs either, it was very professionally done. Funnily enough, as I've gotten older, I sometimes think back to that event as an adult and how much I'd hate for someone to come in and change my apartment/home without permission...but that doesn't change the huge generosity of the act.) However, what I will say is that Mormon culture (not religion) can be very keeping-up-with-the-Joneses in a weird way and I can't even imagine how it's intensified in the age of social media. I think this was especially true for Mormon women because there's an expectation of women being homemakers, beautifying their surroundings and being a perfect mother. In my experience, it was less about having designer brands/big houses and more about how welcoming/pretty you could make the house, even if it's because you're thrifting items and making them over. So in sum, I can see the experience of the Mormon community being expected to help others + the need for Mormon women to have the "perfect" home and motherhood = these sorts of pleas being seen as normal.
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Post by pancakes on Apr 16, 2021 3:30:59 GMT
Jesus. I would be embarrassed if my mom did this for me. Guess what, I had unpaid maternity leave and FMLA didn’t cover me because I work for a startup (not enough employees). You plan for this shit. Don’t have kids if you can’t pay for them. They’re a dual income household and it doesn’t sound like they’re doing poorly either, so they can definitely pay off the $8,000 with a little effort. Oh yeah — and my parents have not met their first and only grandkid yet...and she’s already more than a year old. Suck it up and be an adult. Some people, damn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 3:47:55 GMT
Jesus. I would be embarrassed if my mom did this for me. Guess what, I had unpaid maternity leave and FMLA didn’t cover me because I work for a startup (not enough employees). You plan for this shit. Don’t have kids if you can’t pay for them. They’re a dual income household and it doesn’t sound like they’re doing poorly either, so they can definitely pay off the $8,000 with a little effort. Oh yeah — and my parents have not met their first and only grandkid yet...and she’s already more than a year old. Suck it up and be an adult. Some people, damn. She’s obviously not embarrassed because she posted it on her own IG. So tacky.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Apr 16, 2021 4:49:53 GMT
FMLA has nothing to do with pay anyway. It protects you from being fired while on an approved leave. Depending on her employer or her state, she’ll still be eligible for short term disability pay or state disability pay. Isn’t the purpose of tithing to your church so that your church can help you during times like this? Or are Mormon churches not interested in helping their members by accessing that 100 billion dollar bank account they maintain?
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 16, 2021 10:01:22 GMT
Isn’t the purpose of tithing to your church so that your church can help you during times like this? Or are Mormon churches not interested in helping their members by accessing that 100 billion dollar bank account they maintain? I believe this was brought up in the DL thread, too. Without confirmation from the recipients, there's no way to know. However, since everything about these pleas are shady AF, I'd be keeping my mouth shut if I was double dipping.
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Post by AmandaA on Apr 16, 2021 10:34:48 GMT
So now I am wondering about the dynamics of accepting assistance from the church 🤔. Just curious if there is some stigma associated with being helped by the church (especially if you come from a family that has a certain status so to speak). Not that it explains grifting from the interwebs as being any better... but would they avoid taking church assistance at all costs to save face in that sphere which seems to place such importance on the appearance of perfection and financial responsibility?
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Post by quietgirl on Apr 16, 2021 11:52:27 GMT
So now I am wondering about the dynamics of accepting assistance from the church 🤔. Just curious if there is some stigma associated with being helped by the church (especially if you come from a family that has a certain status so to speak). Not that it explains grifting from the interwebs as being any better... but would they avoid taking church assistance at all costs to save face in that sphere which seems to place such importance on the appearance of perfection and financial responsibility? Several years ago, I had met with the priest at our local church (Catholic). I had talked to him on and off over the years. I mentioned, just as an example, an issue I was having with my insurance and a medicine I have taken for years, (still do), and all of a sudden there would be an issue with them covering it. He told me that the parish could help us. That was what the weekly church envelopes were for, to be able to assist parishioners as and when. I was mortified. I remember stuttering something to the effect of "that's not why I mentioned it. I'm just talking about my problems. I don't want it..." He had dealt with me trying to accept help from my husband of all people years ago and knew my mind. I just couldn't in good conscience. The insurance issue worked itself out. So maybe they are supposed to help. But like say, this was Catholic.
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Post by artgirl1 on Apr 16, 2021 16:27:16 GMT
Or are Mormon churches not interested in helping their members by accessing that 100 billion dollar bank account they maintain? My theory is that if we started taxing the churches, everyone could have Federally provided health insurance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 16:30:23 GMT
So now I am wondering about the dynamics of accepting assistance from the church 🤔. Just curious if there is some stigma associated with being helped by the church (especially if you come from a family that has a certain status so to speak). Not that it explains grifting from the interwebs as being any better... but would they avoid taking church assistance at all costs to save face in that sphere which seems to place such importance on the appearance of perfection and financial responsibility? We needed some help with a medical bill we couldn't get a payment plan for. They wanted it now. Our church knew we were struggling, asked dh to come in and offered some help. No one but the head and financial person knew we were helped.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 16:30:45 GMT
Or are Mormon churches not interested in helping their members by accessing that 100 billion dollar bank account they maintain? My theory is that if we started taxing the churches, everyone could have Federally provided health insurance. And more money for education.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 2:53:05 GMT
She made her account private.
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Post by nicolep on Apr 24, 2021 3:48:40 GMT
She made her account private. 😂 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2021 4:21:29 GMT
I still see it.
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