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Post by sassyangel on Jun 6, 2021 4:32:07 GMT
Things I learnt during the pandemic: - The general public is less scientifically literate than I previously thought, e.g lack of understanding of the scientific method, not understanding that 'there is no evidence that' does not mean 'it is proven that x does not', not understanding that knowledge is not static, what DNA (and mRNA) is and is not, viruses vs bacteria, what a pre-print is, the importance of peer-review, statistical significance. - The paucity of good science journalism. When did science journalism get so click-baity? And what passes for science journalism is referring to *science* generally, like it’s some esoteric, nebulous set of beliefs. Not referring to specific credible scientists and mentioning their credentials, just a general “science” says. |
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Post by hookturnian on Jun 6, 2021 4:39:43 GMT
Things I learnt during the pandemic: - The general public is less scientifically literate than I previously thought, e.g lack of understanding of the scientific method, not understanding that 'there is no evidence that' does not mean 'it is proven that x does not', not understanding that knowledge is not static, what DNA (and mRNA) is and is not, viruses vs bacteria, what a pre-print is, the importance of peer-review, statistical significance. - The paucity of good science journalism. When did science journalism get so click-baity? And what passes for science journalism is referring to *science* generally, like it’s some esoteric, nebulous set of beliefs. Not referring to specific credible scientists and mentioning their credentials, just a general “science” says. OMG don't get me started. "A scientist is a scientist, right? A physicist (made up example) is qualified to make in-depth pronouncements on epidemiology, right? After all he's a 'scientist' " 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 6:54:08 GMT
Slightly off topic but fairly early on there was a report on how food and food packaging did not carry the virus , which if I remember correctly came from a study based from a supermarket in Germany.
So over here in the UK , it was reported that all supermarket food was safe.
What struck me was that the situation was completely different in Germany at that time. There were much lower cases, people wore masks, social distancing enforced, better hygiene and hand sanitizer in place.
Whilst in the UK , there was just the general advice to wash hands , no other precautions were taken and the number of cases was astronomical.
I am not scientific but even I could see just through common sense that the German report should not be extrapolated to the UK situation because it was produced using a completely different set of circumstances.
Had a similar study been conducted in UK supermarkets at that time , the results could possibly have found the opposite .
I also agree that the phrase “ there is no evidence of ...... “
can be misleading.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 6, 2021 14:00:33 GMT
Kayleigh McEnany goes after Dr Fauci.... like sh didn't lie multiple times standing at the WH podium. (rolling eyes) Former White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany on Thursday accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of lying to Americans from the White House lectern. McEnany made the remarks while accusing Fauci of covering up the origins of the COVID-19 virus. youtu.be/riwPyFIeagYwww.rawstory.com/kayleigh-mcenany-anthony-fauci/ |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 6, 2021 14:09:22 GMT
Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and links on this. I am still walking away from this after reading everything and considering everything feeling like this whole thing is a huge bit of nothing.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 6, 2021 15:08:08 GMT
Former twice-impeached one-term accepts NO responsibility nor do his supporters! This is not new!! Wonder if they will be so quick to follow him to prison if he, hopefully, goes there. The Fox News host continued: "At least two months after Donald Trump was warned by his own national security adviser that this was going to be the greatest threat of his presidency and proceeded to play it down -- as late as March 27th of last year, Donald Trump was still praising [Chinese President Xi Jinping] and still talking about how cooperative he was." *** Come on, Corey!" Wallace interrupted. "Corey! Corey! Corey! Wait a minute! You're telling me that the president -- you're going to blame the president's inaction on Dr. Fauci?" youtu.be/B4Ckjp-SFjYwww.rawstory.com/chris-wallace-corey-lewandowski/ |
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 6, 2021 18:36:24 GMT
This article sums up my feelings about Fauci’s emails: NBC Article
I don’t have strong feelings about Dr. Fauci one way or the other. I do think we need to learn, as far as possible, how the virus spread. I think it’s possible, given the tone of the early emails, that there might have been an initial reluctance, whether intentional or not, to discount the possibility that the lab might somehow have been involved. I certainly don’t think the emails are a smoking gun, but I don’t think they should be ignored, either. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 6, 2021 23:56:49 GMT
Nine words stopped them all. With Donald Trump and his Republican allies doing everything they can to smear Dr. Anthony Fauci who has led the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic, Republican strategist Susan Del Percio made her fellow MSNBC panelists gasp and laugh by dropping the mic on Trump's losing battle with the revered immunologist. Asked for comment host Witt asked Del Percio bluntly stated, "Dr. Fauci still has his job, Donald Trump doesn't," which led host Witt to sit upright and exclaim, "Oh, well, that sums that up," as the rest of the panel laughed or smirked. youtu.be/X_lvPoU3MG0www.rawstory.com/trump-fauci-2653254189/ |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2021 1:05:09 GMT
Nine words stopped them all. With Donald Trump and his Republican allies doing everything they can to smear Dr. Anthony Fauci who has led the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic, Republican strategist Susan Del Percio made her fellow MSNBC panelists gasp and laugh by dropping the mic on Trump's losing battle with the revered immunologist. Asked for comment host Witt asked Del Percio bluntly stated, "Dr. Fauci still has his job, Donald Trump doesn't," which led host Witt to sit upright and exclaim, "Oh, well, that sums that up," as the rest of the panel laughed or smirked. youtu.be/X_lvPoU3MG0www.rawstory.com/trump-fauci-2653254189/There’s nothing I love more than anti-Trump Republicans. They renew my faith in humanity. Really, they are what got me through 2017-2020. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 7, 2021 1:21:13 GMT
Nine words stopped them all. With Donald Trump and his Republican allies doing everything they can to smear Dr. Anthony Fauci who has led the fight against the COVID-19 pandemic, Republican strategist Susan Del Percio made her fellow MSNBC panelists gasp and laugh by dropping the mic on Trump's losing battle with the revered immunologist. Asked for comment host Witt asked Del Percio bluntly stated, "Dr. Fauci still has his job, Donald Trump doesn't," which led host Witt to sit upright and exclaim, "Oh, well, that sums that up," as the rest of the panel laughed or smirked. youtu.be/X_lvPoU3MG0www.rawstory.com/trump-fauci-2653254189/There’s nothing I love more than anti-Trump Republicans. They renew my faith in humanity. Really, they are what got me through 2017-2020. They’ll turn on us in a heartbeat, as soon it’s expedient. Most are still anti-choice, pro-gun, anti-public-education, and fans of trickle down economics. Don’t get too cozy. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 7, 2021 1:49:47 GMT
This article sums up my feelings about Fauci’s emails: NBC Article
I don’t have strong feelings about Dr. Fauci one way or the other. I do think we need to learn, as far as possible, how the virus spread. I think it’s possible, given the tone of the early emails, that there might have been an initial reluctance, whether intentional or not, to discount the possibility that the lab might somehow have been involved. I certainly don’t think the emails are a smoking gun, but I don’t think they should be ignored, either. I agree, it's important for us to find out how the virus spread. It turns out in the emails that Faucci was alerted to the probability of the scenario in January of 2020. There absolutely was an effort to discount the possibility of a lab link. Social media "fact checkers" were blocking discussion of it, by taking down posts and declaring it "fake news". Maggie Haberman of the New York Times outright said, they as journalists had a group think and didn't ask questions. The journalists failed to do their job. |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2021 2:12:38 GMT
There’s nothing I love more than anti-Trump Republicans. They renew my faith in humanity. Really, they are what got me through 2017-2020. They’ll turn on us in a heartbeat, as soon it’s expedient. Most are still anti-choice, pro-gun, anti-public-education, and fans of trickle down economics. Don’t get too cozy. They are entitled to their (wrong) opinions.  But at least they didn’t stand by that monster Trump just because it would have been better for their careers. They have been consistently anti-Trump and I will continue to appreciate that. |
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Post by manda on Jun 7, 2021 7:41:50 GMT
This article sums up my feelings about Fauci’s emails: NBC Article
I don’t have strong feelings about Dr. Fauci one way or the other. I do think we need to learn, as far as possible, how the virus spread. I think it’s possible, given the tone of the early emails, that there might have been an initial reluctance, whether intentional or not, to discount the possibility that the lab might somehow have been involved. I certainly don’t think the emails are a smoking gun, but I don’t think they should be ignored, either. I agree, it's important for us to find out how the virus spread. It turns out in the emails that Faucci was alerted to the probability of the scenario in January of 2019. There absolutely was an effort to discount the possibility of a lab link. Social media "fact checkers" were blocking discussion of it, by taking down posts and declaring it "fake news". Maggie Haberman of the New York Times outright said, they as journalists had a group think and didn't ask questions. The journalists failed to do their job. Sometimes I have had the thought we are being manipulated by the media about Covid and that it doesn’t matter what our government officials say about covid related topics because the media is in control. Which makes me wonder... Now I sound crazy... |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 7, 2021 11:13:15 GMT
This article sums up my feelings about Fauci’s emails: NBC Article
I don’t have strong feelings about Dr. Fauci one way or the other. I do think we need to learn, as far as possible, how the virus spread. I think it’s possible, given the tone of the early emails, that there might have been an initial reluctance, whether intentional or not, to discount the possibility that the lab might somehow have been involved. I certainly don’t think the emails are a smoking gun, but I don’t think they should be ignored, either. I agree, it's important for us to find out how the virus spread. It turns out in the emails that Faucci was alerted to the probability of the scenario in January of 2020. There absolutely was an effort to discount the possibility of a lab link. Social media "fact checkers" were blocking discussion of it, by taking down posts and declaring it "fake news". Maggie Haberman of the New York Times outright said, they as journalists had a group think and didn't ask questions. The journalists failed to do their job. Maybe the journalists did but that's not who they are attacking. The email in question from Fauci said that the origins of the virus would be investigated. They are attacking him and he left open that possibility. So I'm still not understanding why the problem with Fauci. If your problem is with the media, then it's with the media. |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2021 19:52:38 GMT
I agree, it's important for us to find out how the virus spread. It turns out in the emails that Faucci was alerted to the probability of the scenario in January of 2019. There absolutely was an effort to discount the possibility of a lab link. Social media "fact checkers" were blocking discussion of it, by taking down posts and declaring it "fake news". Maggie Haberman of the New York Times outright said, they as journalists had a group think and didn't ask questions. The journalists failed to do their job. Sometimes I have had the thought we are being manipulated by the media about Covid and that it doesn’t matter what our government officials say about covid related topics because the media is in control. Which makes me wonder... Now I sound crazy... Well, yes, actually. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 7, 2021 20:53:45 GMT
Again they all forget that former told Bob Woodward on TAPE, in January 2020, that he knew the virus was very serious and would kill thousands/millions. And he did nothing, worse yet downplayed the whole situation.
Maybe he should be charged, tried and locked up for over 600,000 deaths in the USA!
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Post by sunshine on Jun 7, 2021 22:45:08 GMT
Sometimes I have had the thought we are being manipulated by the media about Covid and that it doesn’t matter what our government officials say about covid related topics because the media is in control. Which makes me wonder... Now I sound crazy... Well, yes, actually. Meanwhile there’s a 3-pager rambling on about Trump’s crotch. LOL |
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Post by lucyg on Jun 7, 2021 23:00:08 GMT
Meanwhile there’s a 3-pager rambling on about Trump’s crotch. LOL It may be dumb but it doesn’t affect anything important. (Trump’s self-esteem is less than meaningless to me.) But musing that perhaps the media is actually in control of the government leads to things like QAnon. I feel like it needs to be nipped in the bud. Maybe I didn’t go about it properly. My apologies, manda. But please don’t go down that conspiracy-theory road. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 8, 2021 16:22:44 GMT
This article sums up my feelings about Fauci’s emails: NBC Article
I don’t have strong feelings about Dr. Fauci one way or the other. I do think we need to learn, as far as possible, how the virus spread. I think it’s possible, given the tone of the early emails, that there might have been an initial reluctance, whether intentional or not, to discount the possibility that the lab might somehow have been involved. I certainly don’t think the emails are a smoking gun, but I don’t think they should be ignored, either. Is it even his job to determine that? At that point (once it was clearly already here and spreading), I’m not sure that *where* it came from mattered then as much as knowing the country was WOEFULLY underprepared for what was likely to come, and trying to figure what to do with that, which seems to be more in line with his job. You could argue there were a couple of mistakes with that part of his job, but pinning the whole lack of origin investigation then on him, seems a strawman gotcha argument being made by people determined to discredit him. Woodward’s tapes clearly show the President himself knew it was very serious in April 2020, but publicly talked a completely opposite game. I can’t even imagine trying to do that kind of job around that kind of environment. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 8, 2021 19:36:29 GMT
Truly a class ACT! (Rolling eyes) Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) posted a video smearing Dr. Anthony Fauci and tech companies with coronavirus disinformation, and she was fact-checked and criticized. *** Her bizarre claims were not well received. www.rawstory.com/marsha-blackburn-2653280477/ |
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Post by Jili on Jun 8, 2021 19:38:52 GMT
Well that is certainly something. She is literally wearing Dolores Umbridge's dress. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 8, 2021 19:42:07 GMT
Oops I added more info. Vvvv
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) posted a video smearing Dr. Anthony Fauci and tech companies with coronavirus disinformation, and she was fact-checked and criticized.
Her bizarre claims were not well received.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 8, 2021 21:40:42 GMT
Oh my.. check this Dr out!!
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 8, 2021 22:40:20 GMT
I agree, it's important for us to find out how the virus spread. It turns out in the emails that Faucci was alerted to the probability of the scenario in January of 2019. There absolutely was an effort to discount the possibility of a lab link. Social media "fact checkers" were blocking discussion of it, by taking down posts and declaring it "fake news". Maggie Haberman of the New York Times outright said, they as journalists had a group think and didn't ask questions. The journalists failed to do their job. Sometimes I have had the thought we are being manipulated by the media about Covid and that it doesn’t matter what our government officials say about covid related topics because the media is in control. Which makes me wonder... Now I sound crazy... We're being manipulated by the media on so many issues. I don't think they're in control of the government, but they are controlling or helping to control the narratives of the moment. They're certainly responsible in large part for dividing the population with great success. |
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 8, 2021 23:11:44 GMT
I agree, it's important for us to find out how the virus spread. It turns out in the emails that Faucci was alerted to the probability of the scenario in January of 2020. There absolutely was an effort to discount the possibility of a lab link. Social media "fact checkers" were blocking discussion of it, by taking down posts and declaring it "fake news". Maggie Haberman of the New York Times outright said, they as journalists had a group think and didn't ask questions. The journalists failed to do their job. Maybe the journalists did but that's not who they are attacking. The email in question from Fauci said that the origins of the virus would be investigated. They are attacking him and he left open that possibility. So I'm still not understanding why the problem with Fauci. If your problem is with the media, then it's with the media. There are problems with Fauci too, not just the media. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 8, 2021 23:13:20 GMT
Maybe the journalists did but that's not who they are attacking. The email in question from Fauci said that the origins of the virus would be investigated. They are attacking him and he left open that possibility. So I'm still not understanding why the problem with Fauci. If your problem is with the media, then it's with the media. There are problems with Fauci too, not just the media. That's pretty vague. I specifically posted here to hear the argument. And this is what I get? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 8, 2021 23:24:23 GMT
Conservatives are claiming that Dr Fauci has repeatedly lied to the public. Not true. Yes he did suggest not wearing masks at the beginning. They were not sure they were need but they also wanted the to be available to medical personnel first, since there was no stock pile of needed medical supplies. Merge yes Dr Fauci left the door open frequently stating that the situation was very fluid, changing daily, even hourly. Former knew the situation in JANUARY 2020 and he is on record discussing the severity of the virus with Bob Woodward. He is the one who refused to set the example of wearing masks and social distancing. Always think drink bleach! |
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Post by pixiechick on Jun 9, 2021 2:29:45 GMT
I keep reading memes all over Facebook about these emails. I have read 4 news articles about it. NPR, BBC, Washington Post, and CNN. And I still can't seem to figure out why everyone feels that these emails are some kind of smoking gun. What am I missing? It seems to me that he responded exactly as I thought he would. That we didn't have enough information to draw conclusions in the beginning. I just don't get it. Why are conservatives all in an uproar over this? Like auntkelly said, I'm not sure the emails are a smoking gun, but they shouldn't be ignored. |
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Post by Just T on Jun 9, 2021 2:31:30 GMT
Conservatives are claiming that Dr Fauci has repeatedly lied to the public. Yet they don't seem to give a big fat shit that Trump spent MONTHS lying to us. He admitted to Bob Woodward that he lied and downplayed the virus. But that's okay. Let's blame Dr. Fauci. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 9, 2021 14:13:57 GMT
Truly a class ACT! (Rolling eyes) Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) posted a video smearing Dr. Anthony Fauci and tech companies with coronavirus disinformation, and she was fact-checked and criticized. *** Her bizarre claims were not well received. www.rawstory.com/marsha-blackburn-2653280477/Sorry quoting my own post.... But I just looked again. She is literally standing in front of the very visible cherry blossoms in that picture!! |
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But at least they didn’t stand by that monster Trump just because it would have been better for their careers. They have been consistently anti-Trump and I will continue to appreciate that.
