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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 9, 2021 13:40:40 GMT
I've been seeing arguments for and against CRT, and it's becoming a hot topic in a school district near me.
Could someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I think I understand it, but I'm having a hard time understanding some of the arguments I'm seeing. Thank you!
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Post by busy on Jun 9, 2021 13:56:38 GMT
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Post by slowrunner70 on Jun 9, 2021 14:11:03 GMT
do you happen to live in OH? A school district here has been in the news a lot because of CRT
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 9, 2021 14:15:25 GMT
Here are a couple of articles in addition to the EdWeek one that may be helpful. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/29/critical-race-theory-bans-schools/www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1001055828/the-brewing-political-battle-over-critical-race-theoryCritical Race Theory is complex. I am undereducated in it, having not read key scholars' work extensively. Not all critical race theorists agree on all aspects (thus the term "theory"). What you're probably seeing bubbling up are Republicans/conservatives having feelings about "critical race theory being taught in schools." While many schools are beginning to teach less-whitewashed versions of history, and asking students to examine the ways in which race impacts society, that is not "teaching critical race theory." And, this is my opinion: Many conservatives are big mad that white power structures are being examined, and they see that as a threat to maintaining power. Is there a specific question that you had? |
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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 9, 2021 14:20:02 GMT
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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 9, 2021 14:21:43 GMT
do you happen to live in OH? A school district here has been in the news a lot because of CRT No, I'm in ND, but from what I understand, this is going on all over. Right now, there is a small group of people trying to get 4 school board members recalled, due to masks and CRT. I'm trying to understand it more to be able to develop a more educated opinion. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 14:21:45 GMT
I've been seeing arguments for and against CRT, and it's becoming a hot topic in a school district near me. Could someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I think I understand it, but I'm having a hard time understanding some of the arguments I'm seeing. Thank you! Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. |
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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 9, 2021 14:22:54 GMT
Here are a couple of articles in addition to the EdWeek one that may be helpful. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/29/critical-race-theory-bans-schools/www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1001055828/the-brewing-political-battle-over-critical-race-theoryCritical Race Theory is complex. I am undereducated in it, having not read key scholars' work extensively. Not all critical race theorists agree on all aspects (thus the term "theory"). What you're probably seeing bubbling up are Republicans/conservatives having feelings about "critical race theory being taught in schools." While many schools are beginning to teach less-whitewashed versions of history, and asking students to examine the ways in which race impacts society, that is not "teaching critical race theory." And, this is my opinion: Many conservatives are big mad that white power structures are being examined, and they see that as a threat to maintaining power. Is there a specific question that you had? Thank you! Most of my initial questions have been answered, but I'm sure I'll have more as I keep reading! |
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Post by Merge on Jun 9, 2021 14:27:00 GMT
I've been seeing arguments for and against CRT, and it's becoming a hot topic in a school district near me. Could someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I think I understand it, but I'm having a hard time understanding some of the arguments I'm seeing. Thank you! Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. There are people who think that any teaching at all of the role racism and racial preference has played in American history is shaming and damaging to white kids. This is bullshit of course, but that's their argument. They prefer we keep on with the teaching of American greatness/exceptionalism and downplay the less savory aspects of our history. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 14:27:17 GMT
Here are a couple of articles in addition to the EdWeek one that may be helpful. www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/05/29/critical-race-theory-bans-schools/www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1001055828/the-brewing-political-battle-over-critical-race-theoryCritical Race Theory is complex. I am undereducated in it, having not read key scholars' work extensively. Not all critical race theorists agree on all aspects (thus the term "theory"). What you're probably seeing bubbling up are Republicans/conservatives having feelings about "critical race theory being taught in schools." While many schools are beginning to teach less-whitewashed versions of history, and asking students to examine the ways in which race impacts society, that is not "teaching critical race theory." And, this is my opinion: Many conservatives are big mad that white power structures are being examined, and they see that as a threat to maintaining power. Is there a specific question that you had? Yep,that was my understanding - that not white washing history taught, is not the same as teaching critical race theory, at all. |
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Post by luckyexwife on Jun 9, 2021 14:29:20 GMT
I've been seeing arguments for and against CRT, and it's becoming a hot topic in a school district near me. Could someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I think I understand it, but I'm having a hard time understanding some of the arguments I'm seeing. Thank you! Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. Some parents feel it is being included in curriculum. The school district also hired someone for "Equality and inclusion". |
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Post by Merge on Jun 9, 2021 14:33:28 GMT
Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. Some parents feel it is being included in curriculum. The school district also hired someone for "Equality and inclusion". Equality and inclusion! The horror! LOL I haven't yet had a parent complain when I teach their kids (truthfully) that African slaves played an enormous formative role in almost everything we consider American music today, but I'm sure it's coming. Heaven forbid they learn that there would be no Kenny Chesney or Kid Rock without the musical input of enslaved people and their direct descendants. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 14:35:17 GMT
Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. There are people who think that any teaching at all of the role racism and racial preference has played in American history is shaming and damaging to white kids. This is bullshit of course, but that's their argument. They prefer we keep on with the teaching of American greatness/exceptionalism and downplay the less savory aspects of our history. Yes, that was my understanding. It’s like their latest culture war boogeyman. 🥴 All of these legislatures seem to be actively preemptively, on something they can barely even define currently. |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 14:38:35 GMT
Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. Some parents feel it is being included in curriculum. The school district also hired someone for "Equality and inclusion". Oh gotcha. Yeah I can imagine how even knowing that equality and inclusion might be encouraged (much less having a person responsible for it), would be triggering for some people here. I went down the same rabbit hole you are, in trying to understand it. It is complex, but I do think I get it, and motivations behind it being “a thing” now. |
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Post by Merge on Jun 9, 2021 14:38:43 GMT
There are people who think that any teaching at all of the role racism and racial preference has played in American history is shaming and damaging to white kids. This is bullshit of course, but that's their argument. They prefer we keep on with the teaching of American greatness/exceptionalism and downplay the less savory aspects of our history. Yes, that was my understanding. It’s like their latest culture war boogeyman. 🥴 All of these legislatures seem to be actively preemptively, on something they can barely even define currently. It's a sop to their far-right base. I'm fairly certain a similar bill was brought out in the TX lege this session, but didn't make it far (this time). Many other acts of performative legislation were passed, though. |
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Post by slowrunner70 on Jun 9, 2021 14:46:50 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 14:49:56 GMT
Yes, that was my understanding. It’s like their latest culture war boogeyman. 🥴 All of these legislatures seem to be actively preemptively, on something they can barely even define currently. It's a sop to their far-right base. I'm fairly certain a similar bill was brought out in the TX lege this session, but didn't make it far (this time). Many other acts of performative legislation were passed, though. Yeah the heart beat law and gun bill, seem like perfect examples of that. 🥺 I had to laugh when Greg Abbott declared TX 100% open. Given the amount of people that still seem to voluntarily wearing masks in cities there, it seems like 100% of people don’t agree with him. (And can it be called that, if so? 😂) |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 14:53:42 GMT
I removed myself from all of my community groups here at the start of the pandemic, 🥴😅 so I’m now out of the community loop if it’s a *thing* here, although not surprised at all to hear it is.
I do appreciate those articles being shared. I learned a bit more from reading them.
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 9, 2021 16:26:37 GMT
Is it really CRT that’s being integrated in schools or just a more honest teaching of our history? The two are not the same. If it’s the genuine CRT, then I don’t know why that would be taught in earlier grades. CRT is a complex concept replete with many arguments for and against it that’s suited only for mature thinking. Even black academia was split on this. Is the term being used as a catch-all?
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Post by lucyg on Jun 9, 2021 16:34:16 GMT
Is it really CRT that’s being integrated in schools or just a more honest teaching of our history? The two are not the same. If it’s the genuine CRT, then I don’t know why that would be taught in earlier grades. CRT is a complex concept replete with many arguments for and against it that’s suited only for mature thinking. Even black academia was split on this. Is the term being used as a catch-all? By Republicans? Yes. Need you ask?  |
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Post by sassyangel on Jun 9, 2021 17:45:38 GMT
Is it really CRT that’s being integrated in schools or just a more honest teaching of our history? The two are not the same. If it’s the genuine CRT, then I don’t know why that would be taught in earlier grades. CRT is a complex concept replete with many arguments for and against it that’s suited only for mature thinking. Even black academia was split on this. Is the term being used as a catch-all? Yes, in my understanding it’s the latest buzzword in their never-ending culture war. |
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Post by monklady123 on Jun 9, 2021 18:29:37 GMT
Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. Some parents feel it is being included in curriculum. The school district also hired someone for "Equality and inclusion". Oh the horror of aiming for "equality and inclusion"!   |
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 9, 2021 19:12:37 GMT
I've been seeing arguments for and against CRT, and it's becoming a hot topic in a school district near me. Could someone explain this to me like I'm 5? I think I understand it, but I'm having a hard time understanding some of the arguments I'm seeing. Thank you! Why is it a hot topic in a school district? My understanding is, it’s not even taught in schools at all, only college. because any teaching of racial issues, especially if we ate connecting to current events is considered CRT by this who feel schools are indoctrinated the children. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 9, 2021 19:26:57 GMT
Is it really CRT that’s being integrated in schools or just a more honest teaching of our history? The two are not the same. If it’s the genuine CRT, then I don’t know why that would be taught in earlier grades. CRT is a complex concept replete with many arguments for and against it that’s suited only for mature thinking. Even black academia was split on this. Is the term being used as a catch-all? It's definitely being used as a catch-all. Essentially, the folks who have spoken out (and legislated against) "CRT" probably can't define it, definitely haven't read widely on it, and would prefer the less honest teaching of our history in which we oversimplify, hero worship old white dudes, and neglect to view historical events from multiple viewpoints. |
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Post by beebee on Jun 9, 2021 22:25:22 GMT
Is it really CRT that’s being integrated in schools or just a more honest teaching of our history? The two are not the same. If it’s the genuine CRT, then I don’t know why that would be taught in earlier grades. CRT is a complex concept replete with many arguments for and against it that’s suited only for mature thinking. Even black academia was split on this. Is the term being used as a catch-all? It's definitely being used as a catch-all. Essentially, the folks who have spoken out (and legislated against) "CRT" probably can't define it, definitely haven't read widely on it, and would prefer the less honest teaching of our history in which we oversimplify, hero worship old white dudes, and neglect to view historical events from multiple viewpoints. Here is a YouTuber that has spoken out against it and seems to have done some study on it. I stumbled across her a few months ago by chance and find her perspective on things interesting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeHqZT-NsxE |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 10, 2021 0:31:07 GMT
It's definitely being used as a catch-all. Essentially, the folks who have spoken out (and legislated against) "CRT" probably can't define it, definitely haven't read widely on it, and would prefer the less honest teaching of our history in which we oversimplify, hero worship old white dudes, and neglect to view historical events from multiple viewpoints. Here is a YouTuber that has spoken out against it and seems to have done some study on it. I stumbled across her a few months ago by chance and find her perspective on things interesting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeHqZT-NsxEMay I ask you why you chose this particular example of someone who has "studied" critical race theory? In the YouTube description for this video, she cites examples of texts that inform her thoughts on CRT. However, she has not even read key texts from the most primary scholars in the work, like Derrick Bell and Kimberlé Crenshaw. I watched this video and the Part 2, but it was not clear to me she has any fundamental understanding of CRT other than what she may have heard through conservative media. (I heard many right-wing talking points echoed.) |
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 10, 2021 0:38:57 GMT
As someone who is actually in the field where some people teach CRT:
(1) 99% of what I hear people lump under the title is either “someone mentioned race” or “diversity training,” and is not CRT.
(2) as someone who writes and teaches about race and the law, I have never said the words “critical race theory” in a classroom because 99% of the time, what we are talking about is not CRT
(3) Republican legislators know this
(4) nevertheless they now have the Fox News crowd convinced elementary kids are being expelled from school because they won’t read CRT or something, and
(5) I am glad that I work at a private school in a blue state, because this is mostly about red meat for the racists, but a side benefit is that it intends to chill people like me from teaching students about race and the law.
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Post by beebee on Jun 10, 2021 1:44:28 GMT
Here is a YouTuber that has spoken out against it and seems to have done some study on it. I stumbled across her a few months ago by chance and find her perspective on things interesting. www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeHqZT-NsxEMay I ask you why you chose this particular example of someone who has "studied" critical race theory? In the YouTube description for this video, she cites examples of texts that inform her thoughts on CRT. However, she has not even read key texts from the most primary scholars in the work, like Derrick Bell and Kimberlé Crenshaw. I watched this video and the Part 2, but it was not clear to me she has any fundamental understanding of CRT other than what she may have heard through conservative media. (I heard many right-wing talking points echoed.) I chose her because she was against CRT and you made the point that most people speaking out against it probably can't define it and have not read it. While I obviously don't know her personally, in other video's, I got the impression that she had studied it in school and she has a different perspective. I think it's good to see all sides and hear different perspectives. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 10, 2021 12:16:59 GMT
I chose her because she was against CRT and you made the point that most people speaking out against it probably can't define it and have not read it. While I obviously don't know her personally, in other video's, I got the impression that she had studied it in school and she has a different perspective. I think it's good to see all sides and hear different perspectives. She's definitely against it, but I don't think she's read it, nor do I think she defined it as I understand it from my recent research or spoke about it in a way that indicated her understanding in that video or the part 2. Obviously I didn't watch all the videos on her channel, but those in particular were dedicated to the topic. So, yes, she has the perspective that she hates it, but I worry about presenting someone as an expert with an opposing viewpoint who clearly has not studied the work. |
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Post by beebee on Jun 10, 2021 14:50:35 GMT
She's definitely against it, but I don't think she's read it, nor do I think she defined it as I understand it from my recent research or spoke about it in a way that indicated her understanding in that video or the part 2. Obviously I didn't watch all the videos on her channel, but those in particular were dedicated to the topic. So, yes, she has the perspective that she hates it, but I worry about presenting someone as an expert with an opposing viewpoint who clearly has not studied the work. While I see your point, with that reasoning most people on this thread should not put forth opinions because most people who have posted in this thread are not experts. It's just another perspective, that is all. |
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