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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 1, 2021 3:33:07 GMT
Bump for update
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Mystie
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,300
Jun 25, 2014 19:53:37 GMT
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Post by Mystie on Sept 1, 2021 4:33:30 GMT
I'm so very sorry about your friend. It's very scary that even vaxed people can get that ill and die.
FWIW, every covid/vaccine-related post I see on FB has a covid information sticker right below it. And they're all positive, benign, encouraging posts etc, no misinformation posts. (I unfollowed all those folks months ago, lol.)
I think on FB at least that everything related to covid or vaccines just automatically gets the covid sticker. I don't see bad intent there. Can't speak to other social media outlets.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 1, 2021 5:42:00 GMT
I think on FB at least that everything related to covid or vaccines just automatically gets the covid sticker. I don't see bad intent there. Can't speak to other social media outlets. Thank you, Mystie. It's so disrespectful to slap that on an obituary. If you only knew how many days I've been searching online just to find news about his death. I Googled. I went through a bunch of local funeral homes. I finally found one obituary from a funeral home across the state (they had moved) that didn't even have his name right, and it wasn't until this evening that this one turned up. His wife must have been very ill for it to have gone so many days. You died of Covid? In Texas? You must be an antivaxer, Trumper moron and I don't care if you died! Except, of course, he wasn't. Imagine feeling like you have to put WHAT YOUR SPOUSE DIED OF in the headline of their obituary! And then, to have FB slap a label on it? THIS IS NOT OK, folks. It isn't decent. It's disrespectful. And it's wrong.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 1, 2021 8:12:41 GMT
I’m very sorry for the loss of another friend. (((Hugs))) I'm so very sorry about your friend. It's very scary that even vaxed people can get that ill and die. FWIW, every covid/vaccine-related post I see on FB has a covid information sticker right below it. And they're all positive, benign, encouraging posts etc, no misinformation posts. (I unfollowed all those folks months ago, lol.) I think on FB at least that everything related to covid or vaccines just automatically gets the covid sticker. I don't see bad intent there. Can't speak to other social media outlets. Based on what I have read about the labels, they are simply informative, is that correct? And you didn’t mention anything being changed or removed, so that would not be censorship. I have no issues with even an obituary having the label applied. It’s consistent, which is important. Plus, I imagine it would be very difficult (if not impossible) to program trying to avoid this (or any) specific scenario, considering that there would be people/entities who start masquerading their posts as obituaries to continue to spread misinformation. It would be a never-ending endeavor and a lot of dangerous misinformation could be spread without warning. I am sorry it brought you so much distress.
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craftykitten
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,304
Jun 26, 2014 7:39:32 GMT
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Post by craftykitten on Sept 1, 2021 10:00:27 GMT
I’m very sorry leftturnonly. How awful to have to search for information like that. I hope you’re ok. I have the same feelings when people die of lung cancer and the family has to put “he never smoked” to kind of head off the criticisms. I read one of those yesterday, in fact. Horrible. And I don’t know how FB manages to find everything related to COVID to add a tag but can’t seem to do anything about all the other truly hateful stuff on there.
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Post by Merge on Sept 1, 2021 11:57:57 GMT
I’m very sorry for your newest loss. Be well.
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 1, 2021 12:01:34 GMT
I'm sorry for your loss
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Post by mom on Sept 1, 2021 12:17:10 GMT
I am so sorry.
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Post by elaine on Sept 1, 2021 14:29:33 GMT
I am sorry for your loss.
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Post by Tamhugh on Sept 1, 2021 14:39:37 GMT
I am sorry for the loss of your friend and for everyone who has lost friends through this pandemic.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 1, 2021 16:05:23 GMT
I have the same feelings when people die of lung cancer and the family has to put “he never smoked” to kind of head off the criticisms. I read one of those yesterday, in fact. Horrible. And I don’t know how FB manages to find everything related to COVID to add a tag but can’t seem to do anything about all the other truly hateful stuff on there. THIS exactly! I am sorry it brought you so much distress. Thank you. It sounds so very innocent the way that you put it, So very, very innocent. And how does this even apply here? You ask because you refuse to see what's happening right before your eyes. Wait until you are personally targeted as a national threat when you have never cussed anyone out, publicly, privately or online. When you have never so much as demonstrated or picketed or boycotted a single business or person in your life. When you have never told anyone not to get appropriate medical treatment, or made fun of their religious beliefs, or home situation, or employment, or even their politics. On and on and on ... it's been 6 years now people... I hear Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump. And now, this is the excuse for this early communism. IT IS NOT OK. I could go on long, daily pro-BLM posts and tell people to get out there to mingle during a pandemic when everyone is supposed to be sitting in their homes, and that's perfectly fine. I can post everyday how we need to defund the police, insuring that the poorest people that need help the most will get even less, and that's perfectly fine. But the information in a published obituary is SO dangerous that it needs ANYTHING added to it? Says who? You? Fine. Let's make this a little more personal. You & your husband are both fully vaccinated. You even voted for the person sitting in the White House. You and your husband both get COVID and he sickens and dies very quickly, while you are still ill. You've moved across the state from where you've spent the last 50-70 years and the only people who know your husband has died must have been told privately because there is nothing from your church, nothing from his high school alumni, nothing even from other family mentioned on social media. The funeral home posts a bland obituary, which is far better than publishing nothing, but they don't have anyone available to correct his name and anyone doing a search will only find that and be left wondering if it's him or not, since not only his his name wrong but there are no personal details, like where he spent the last 60+ years. You get well enough, or one of your children is well enough, to finally publish a personal obituary, but it still has to be found online. People have to know he's died to even look for it. A friend of you and your family has a lot of mutual friends on their social media and knows how much they would like to know of your husband's passing. They care about you, about him, about your entire family. Not wanting to unduly distress anyone, your friend has waited until the family published a real obituary so it could be linked directly. And as soon as your friend does this, a label is applied that directs people to blahblahblahblahblah about the disease that just killed your husband. Your beloved husband is not the focus of his own obituary that you wrote for him. Because after almost two years, some idiotic person, like the person your husband would be perceived to be if you didn't put a disclaimer right next to his name in the headline of his obituary that you wrote when you were finally able to, might take that to mean that the disease that just killed him must be a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. And this isn't insulting to you, because... ? It's not demeaning to your husband as a human being, because... ? Just where is the limit when all y'all are gonna say "STOP!"? FB pre-edits my posts now. I reposted an interesting story and a friend made a comment that the photo didn't look like the person. Doesn't matter if the story is right. So I answered, "Great. Expect FB to slap a label on it in 5...4...3...2...1..." but it didn't post. So I tried again, and it wouldn't post. So then I posted that this was my 3rd attempt and "I was hitting send now because" and then posted and edited in "so I could edit in that it'll probably get a label". To me, you're all behaving like a bunch of frogs that were put in a nice, big beaker full of room temperature water and continue to sit there as the water is brought to the boiling point.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 1, 2021 16:19:59 GMT
I’m very sorry, Lefty.
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Post by MadamG2U on Sept 1, 2021 16:21:58 GMT
I am so sorry for your lost.
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Post by elaine on Sept 1, 2021 17:16:32 GMT
I have the same feelings when people die of lung cancer and the family has to put “he never smoked” to kind of head off the criticisms. I read one of those yesterday, in fact. Horrible. And I don’t know how FB manages to find everything related to COVID to add a tag but can’t seem to do anything about all the other truly hateful stuff on there. THIS exactly! I am sorry it brought you so much distress. Thank you. It sounds so very innocent the way that you put it, So very, very innocent. And how does this even apply here? You ask because you refuse to see what's happening right before your eyes. Wait until you are personally targeted as a national threat when you have never cussed anyone out, publicly, privately or online. When you have never so much as demonstrated or picketed or boycotted a single business or person in your life. When you have never told anyone not to get appropriate medical treatment, or made fun of their religious beliefs, or home situation, or employment, or even their politics. On and on and on ... it's been 6 years now people... I hear Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump. And now, this is the excuse for this early communism. IT IS NOT OK. I could go on long, daily pro-BLM posts and tell people to get out there to mingle during a pandemic when everyone is supposed to be sitting in their homes, and that's perfectly fine. I can post everyday how we need to defund the police, insuring that the poorest people that need help the most will get even less, and that's perfectly fine. But the information in a published obituary is SO dangerous that it needs ANYTHING added to it? Says who? You? Fine. Let's make this a little more personal. You & your husband are both fully vaccinated. You even voted for the person sitting in the White House. You and your husband both get COVID and he sickens and dies very quickly, while you are still ill. You've moved across the state from where you've spent the last 50-70 years and the only people who know your husband has died must have been told privately because there is nothing from your church, nothing from his high school alumni, nothing even from other family mentioned on social media. The funeral home posts a bland obituary, which is far better than publishing nothing, but they don't have anyone available to correct his name and anyone doing a search will only find that and be left wondering if it's him or not, since not only his his name wrong but there are no personal details, like where he spent the last 60+ years. You get well enough, or one of your children is well enough, to finally publish a personal obituary, but it still has to be found online. People have to know he's died to even look for it. A friend of you and your family has a lot of mutual friends on their social media and knows how much they would like to know of your husband's passing. They care about you, about him, about your entire family. Not wanting to unduly distress anyone, your friend has waited until the family published a real obituary so it could be linked directly. And as soon as your friend does this, a label is applied that directs people to blahblahblahblahblah about the disease that just killed your husband. Your beloved husband is not the focus of his own obituary that you wrote for him. Because after almost two years, some idiotic person, like the person your husband would be perceived to be if you didn't put a disclaimer right next to his name in the headline of his obituary that you wrote when you were finally able to, might take that to mean that the disease that just killed him must be a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. And this isn't insulting to you, because... ? It's not demeaning to your husband as a human being, because... ? Just where is the limit when all y'all are gonna say "STOP!"? FB pre-edits my posts now. I reposted an interesting story and a friend made a comment that the photo didn't look like the person. Doesn't matter if the story is right. So I answered, "Great. Expect FB to slap a label on it in 5...4...3...2...1..." but it didn't post. So I tried again, and it wouldn't post. So then I posted that this was my 3rd attempt and "I was hitting send now because" and then posted and edited in "so I could edit in that it'll probably get a label". To me, you're all behaving like a bunch of frogs that were put in a nice, big beaker full of room temperature water and continue to sit there as the water is brought to the boiling point. Lefty, you asked that this thread not be made political. For the most part, people have honored your request. You are the one who has started making this political and appear to be ratcheting it up when no one is engaging. You seem to be itching for a fight. I foresee it becoming the usual ugly political thread if you continue on. I would respectfully ask that you follow the ground rules you put forth for this thread. I am sorry you see us “all” as “behaving like a bunch of frogs” and wonder why you came to us for support of that is how you truly see us. I am sincerely sorry for your losses, and would prefer that you don’t turn your own thread ugly.
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Post by femalebusiness on Sept 1, 2021 17:37:44 GMT
THIS exactly! Thank you. It sounds so very innocent the way that you put it, So very, very innocent. And how does this even apply here? You ask because you refuse to see what's happening right before your eyes. Wait until you are personally targeted as a national threat when you have never cussed anyone out, publicly, privately or online. When you have never so much as demonstrated or picketed or boycotted a single business or person in your life. When you have never told anyone not to get appropriate medical treatment, or made fun of their religious beliefs, or home situation, or employment, or even their politics. On and on and on ... it's been 6 years now people... I hear Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump. And now, this is the excuse for this early communism. IT IS NOT OK. I could go on long, daily pro-BLM posts and tell people to get out there to mingle during a pandemic when everyone is supposed to be sitting in their homes, and that's perfectly fine. I can post everyday how we need to defund the police, insuring that the poorest people that need help the most will get even less, and that's perfectly fine. But the information in a published obituary is SO dangerous that it needs ANYTHING added to it? Says who? You? Fine. Let's make this a little more personal. You & your husband are both fully vaccinated. You even voted for the person sitting in the White House. You and your husband both get COVID and he sickens and dies very quickly, while you are still ill. You've moved across the state from where you've spent the last 50-70 years and the only people who know your husband has died must have been told privately because there is nothing from your church, nothing from his high school alumni, nothing even from other family mentioned on social media. The funeral home posts a bland obituary, which is far better than publishing nothing, but they don't have anyone available to correct his name and anyone doing a search will only find that and be left wondering if it's him or not, since not only his his name wrong but there are no personal details, like where he spent the last 60+ years. You get well enough, or one of your children is well enough, to finally publish a personal obituary, but it still has to be found online. People have to know he's died to even look for it. A friend of you and your family has a lot of mutual friends on their social media and knows how much they would like to know of your husband's passing. They care about you, about him, about your entire family. Not wanting to unduly distress anyone, your friend has waited until the family published a real obituary so it could be linked directly. And as soon as your friend does this, a label is applied that directs people to blahblahblahblahblah about the disease that just killed your husband. Your beloved husband is not the focus of his own obituary that you wrote for him. Because after almost two years, some idiotic person, like the person your husband would be perceived to be if you didn't put a disclaimer right next to his name in the headline of his obituary that you wrote when you were finally able to, might take that to mean that the disease that just killed him must be a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously. And this isn't insulting to you, because... ? It's not demeaning to your husband as a human being, because... ? Just where is the limit when all y'all are gonna say "STOP!"? FB pre-edits my posts now. I reposted an interesting story and a friend made a comment that the photo didn't look like the person. Doesn't matter if the story is right. So I answered, "Great. Expect FB to slap a label on it in 5...4...3...2...1..." but it didn't post. So I tried again, and it wouldn't post. So then I posted that this was my 3rd attempt and "I was hitting send now because" and then posted and edited in "so I could edit in that it'll probably get a label". To me, you're all behaving like a bunch of frogs that were put in a nice, big beaker full of room temperature water and continue to sit there as the water is brought to the boiling point. Lefty, you asked that this thread not be made political. For the most part, people have honored your request. You are the one who has started making this political and appear to be ratcheting it up when no one is engaging. You seem to be itching for a fight. I foresee it becoming the usual ugly political thread if you continue on. I would respectfully ask that you follow the ground rules you put forth for this thread. I am sorry you see us “all” as “behaving like a bunch of frogs” and wonder why you came to us for support of that is how you truly see us. I am sincerely sorry for your losses, and would prefer that you don’t turn your own thread ugly. Thank you elaine, I have stayed off of this thread to respect the OP's request. When she starts with the bunch of frogs and communism crap, all bets are off. ETA. Stay the hell off of facebook if it is so distressing.
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Post by peano on Sept 1, 2021 18:13:45 GMT
I would venture to say that the past 1.5 years have been the most stressful in our lifetimes and it is so hard to comprehend the magnitude of losses and the transformation of society. I know I have cycled between total despair and lack of faith in my countrymen several times. What has helped me is turning off the news and spending more time in nature. All that noise will still be there if I decide to go back.
My impression is that you may be at that point, because I’m not even sure what you’re talking about in this last post.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 1, 2021 21:13:29 GMT
Lefty, you asked that this thread not be made political. For the most part, people have honored your request. You are the one who has started making this political and appear to be ratcheting it up when no one is engaging. You seem to be itching for a fight. I foresee it becoming the usual ugly political thread if you continue on. I would respectfully ask that you follow the ground rules you put forth for this thread. I am sorry you see us “all” as “behaving like a bunch of frogs” and wonder why you came to us for support of that is how you truly see us. I am sincerely sorry for your losses, and would prefer that you don’t turn your own thread ugly. And I’d like to add my apology for adding to your hurt leftturnonly. I saw update in the thread title, and read and responded to the update and last posts. I did not remember the request to keep it apolitical from the original post otherwise I would have simply offered my condolences. I should have reread the original post and I’ll make sure and do that going forward. Again, my apologies and I am sincerely sorry for your loss and the hurt the label caused.
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Post by pixiechick on Sept 3, 2021 21:15:42 GMT
I'm so sorry for your pain, leftturnonly. Loving hugs to you.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 3, 2021 22:03:00 GMT
I haven't read anything on this thread since my last post.
Hurricane Ida came through here since then and I've been terribly distracted.
I see that this thread has been marked as political and I must apologize.
If I had any clue that censorship in any form would be involved in these deaths, I either wouldn't have posted or would have marked it myself from the beginning.
But that just wasn't possible.
I posted here because at the time, I had no one and no place to say anything at all about the latest death. I could find no specific information and I just needed to recognize it somehow without spreading bad information to people who cared about him.
There was no way to know what a bombshell this would be for me, or how I would react.
While some of y'all are fine with censorship, I am not. Not in the 1960's. Not in the 1970's. And most definitely not now in the 2100's 2020's. (ETA - 2 hours later, I realized what decade I wrote. Sheesh. Apparently I'm too distracted to post and make dinner at the same time.)
And while (hopefully) most of you have not been personally touched by innocent posts being constantly targeted online, at this rate, you will be.
It's a terrible thing.
The only way to combat "false speech" is MORE speech, not less.
I learned that many years ago from my most liberal friends and family and I am having deep distress trying to reconcile that these are the very same people who now feel free to say some of the most vulgar, condemning things about anyone who has ANY difference of perspective than they do. Shut it down! Stop them from speaking! Stop them from posting! Label them, lie about them, anything but allow them to freely post their thoughts that aren't in agreement!
So, yeah. I guess now it's a political thread and again, I do apologize. I truly hoped to avoid that.
The other day someone on here questioned why a person they had talked to thought this pandemic had become an issue of politics here in the US.
This is why.
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