J u l e e
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Post by J u l e e on Aug 30, 2021 19:40:04 GMT
Boom. I'm thrilled that we have a president who doesn't refer to American troops as "suckers and losers." If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN. If you are asking if we are "okay" with President Biden not answering questions, it's informally spelled ALRIGHT (all right if you want to be technical). Or, you could just not pick on other people's errors when you have your own. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 30, 2021 19:46:03 GMT
The west wing reference was a joke, and meant to point out that none of us here is an expert (as far as I know) on presidential media relations. I have some experience in PR from way back and do know that getting the person being questioned to stay on message is paramount. As for Biden’s supposed incompetency, eh. Don’t agree. He is at least competent enough to know when to rely on an advisor rather than trying to control everything himself, and he is competent enough to choose knowledgeable and experienced advisors. In that, he is leaps and bounds more competent than his predecessor. He’s probably more competent than George Bush, who got us into this mess in the first place.(I was a Warren supporter because I think she’s smarter and a better leader than Joe Biden, but people are afraid of an assertive woman being president, so …) Americans are way more concerned with electing someone who is likeable than they are with electing someone who is smart, so we shouldn’t be surprised when Biden is the outcome. Sorry to go off topic but since you brought up Bush I’m like to know what you think he should have done after we were attacked on 9/11. I do not pretend to be a military expert. My husband, however, is a former marine and has two history degrees (his masters focused on military history), and he feels we should have sent in a strike team to get Bin Laden and have been done with it. We’re no better off after 20 years than if we had done exactly that. And oh yeah, we never should have been in Iraq. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 19:50:49 GMT
I find the lengths people will go to defend and justify Joe Biden's incompetence mind boggling. He has mentioned on numerous occasions things like "I've been instructed..." or "I'll get in trouble if I do/say this...". I find it extremely alarming that someone else is telling him what to do and say. I can't imagine any other president accepting someone else controlling them, much less admitting it publicly. And the argument that that's the way they did on the West Wing? PLEASE be realistic. This is not a tv show! Can you even imagine Clinton or Obama saying something similar??? Both of them were very much in control of their White House and would NEVER allow anything to slip out that might make them look bad, much less putting it out there themselves. The fact that Joe sees nothing wrong with it says a lot. Also, Presidents hold press briefings about topic A and the press asks questions about topic B, C, and D EVERY DAY. You all are like "he wants to talk about Ida and a reporter dared ask about something else??? The horror!!" Get real. I remember Bill Clinton being desperate to talk about anything else in 1998 but all he ever got asked about was Monica Lewinsky. The same is true for every other president. The press has always asked about what they are interested in, with no regard for what the president wants to talk about. Donald Trump's handling of the media has no bearing whatsoever on Joe Biden's handling of the media, just like Ronald Reagan's or George Bush's handling of the media has no bearing on Biden's handling of the media. Biden is responsible for himself and constantly pointing fingers at someone else you think was worse does not bolster your argument that everything is fine with Biden. I'm not a fan of Trump so spare me the insults about Trump supporters. The concerns about Biden's competency are real. Open your eyes and stop letting your hatred of Trump blind you to the reality we are facing with this president. I think your interpretation is exactly why many politicians speak in such an homogenized way because they know people will interpret all kinds of secret meaning into a more casual way of speaking. "I've been instructed" would mean I've listened to the experts around me. It signals he is surrounding himself by other informed opinions. That would personally make me feel he is being more considered about the options, but you've decided to interpret it as he's a puppet. "I'll get in trouble if I do/say"....if you've watched enough media with Biden you would know he is self-deprecating and often defers to others in the room as more important. He repeatedly does this with his wife and yet many would see that as him being weak. I don't assume to think he's truly humble or not, but having seen him in the media, it does appear to be his shtick as a way of presenting himself. It's a stark contrast with Trump who claimed to invent, fix, and know everything all on his own because he was such a stable genius. Given Biden's been in politics so long, I guess he decided to be this way instead of shaping himself to the same politician-speak that others engage in. But the downside is those who don't like him see it as weakness. |
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Post by spottiedottie on Aug 30, 2021 19:54:00 GMT
If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN. If you are asking if we are "okay" with President Biden not answering questions, it's informally spelled ALRIGHT (all right if you want to be technical). Or, you could just not pick on other people's errors when you have your own. Ummmmm.....I think you have me confused with the OP. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 30, 2021 19:55:45 GMT
And I really don’t see how we can ignore the comparison from Biden to Trump. The 2020 election was a referendum on Trump’s performance. Literally a comparison between the two candidates. And Trump lost, bigly.
So whatever anyone may think of Biden’s competence, and strong majority of Americans who voted believed him to be more competent than Trump.
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Post by spottiedottie on Aug 30, 2021 20:04:46 GMT
So whatever anyone may think of Biden’s competence, and strong majority of Americans who voted believed him to be more competent than Trump. Yeah, but saying someone is more competent than Trump isn't really saying a whole lot..... |
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Post by Merge on Aug 30, 2021 20:07:36 GMT
So whatever anyone may think of Biden’s competence, and strong majority of Americans who voted believed him to be more competent than Trump. Yeah, but saying someone is more competent than Trump isn't really saying a whole lot..... As I said, if we wanted smart, we should have nominated Liz Warren or Pete Buttigieg. But y’all labeled one as a socialist and the other, well, good Christians really couldn’t abide a gay man in the White House. So we went with “better than Trump” and likeable. If you want smart alternatives to the catastrophic candidates you keep putting up, stop telling each other that our very reasonable center-left politicians are scary socialists. |
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Post by pierogi on Aug 30, 2021 20:13:02 GMT
Boom. I'm thrilled that we have a president who doesn't refer to American troops as "suckers and losers." If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN.  You didn't understand my post at all, but you gave me a big laugh. Bless your heart. |
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J u l e e
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Post by J u l e e on Aug 30, 2021 20:14:06 GMT
If you are asking if we are "okay" with President Biden not answering questions, it's informally spelled ALRIGHT (all right if you want to be technical). Or, you could just not pick on other people's errors when you have your own. Ummmmm.....I think you have me confused with the OP. I do. Apologies for the extra snark today. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 30, 2021 20:16:42 GMT
Sorry to go off topic but since you brought up Bush I’m like to know what you think he should have done after we were attacked on 9/11. I do not pretend to be a military expert. My husband, however, is a former marine and has two history degrees (his masters focused on military history), and he feels we should have sent in a strike team to get Bin Laden and have been done with it. We’re no better off after 20 years than if we had done exactly that. And oh yeah, we never should have been in Iraq. I’ll add that when US Special Forces caught up with Bin Laden, he was in Abbottabad, Pakistan-NOT Afghanistan.. Afghan tribes along the mountainous AfPak border sheltered Al-Quaida and the Taliban, and were out of reach of US guns. There was a sort of Ho Chi Minh trail, Afghan style. And while I do not think for a moment that we can trust the Taliban, we have things that they want. Their assets have largely been frozen, for one thing. From what I have been reading, they want to establish a government of sorts. Will it be the sort of govt. that we like? No, almost certainly not. And I should add here that like many, I am hoping that the rest of the Afghans who want to leave will be able to. So you might ask, why would we want them to form a govt and why would we want some form of cooperation with them? To keep Isis and any other terror group from becoming powerful. It’s time to end nation-building and think along the lines of realpolitik. That is, less ideology, more practicality. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 30, 2021 20:42:29 GMT
Boom. I'm thrilled that we have a president who doesn't refer to American troops as "suckers and losers." If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN. Out of all of the responses to your post, this is the one you chose to comment on? And not the actual content, just a spelling error? |
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Post by lindas on Aug 30, 2021 20:45:50 GMT
Sorry to go off topic but since you brought up Bush I’m like to know what you think he should have done after we were attacked on 9/11. I do not pretend to be a military expert. My husband, however, is a former marine and has two history degrees (his masters focused on military history), and he feels we should have sent in a strike team to get Bin Laden and have been done with it. We’re no better off after 20 years than if we had done exactly that. And oh yeah, we never should have been in Iraq. In hindsight that may have been the better way but emotions were running high and I’m not sure the American people would have settled for anything less then a show of force to dwarf with they did to this country. Iraq was a serious intelligence breakdown which just shows that no matter how knowledgeable and experienced advisors to any president are they can still get it wrong. The stigma of Iraq will always remain with Bush because he made the final call. |
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 30, 2021 20:50:52 GMT
This is an interesting comparison of how trump vs Biden get their message out. www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2021/04/28/in-contrast-with-trump-biden-relies-on-disciplined-surrogates-to-get-his-message-out/According to data by UC Santa Barbara’s The American Presidency Project, the Trump White House bested itself in setting the record for the longest amount of time without holding a formal press briefing, when it went over 400 days without one. Referring to president Biden - “He’s the president, he’s got a lot on his plate. We have people fanning out every single day across different media to amplify his message,” deputy communications director Kate Berner said in an interview with Politico. I appreciate your posts on the political threads. Lots of good links!
As for Biden’s supposed incompetency, eh. Don’t agree. He is at least competent enough to know when to rely on an advisor rather than trying to control everything himself, and he is competent enough to choose knowledgeable and experienced advisors. Which is why I voted for him, even though my state went to Trump.
I'm thrilled that we have a president who doesn't refer to American troops as "suckers and losers." Just the dead ones. |
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Post by refugeepea on Aug 30, 2021 20:52:21 GMT
I just wanted to point out this is the type of questions Psaki receives on a daily basis. I am okay with Biden not being there and a press secretary doing the job.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 21:14:09 GMT
And the argument that that's the way they did on the West Wing? PLEASE be realistic. This is not a tv show! I’m giggling myself silly over this. Glad you pointed that out to Merge  OMG 😆 I’m giggling too! |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 30, 2021 21:16:35 GMT
If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN. What ever, I wrote that post with his name on the fly, during my break, so I didn’t look it up. So, sue me if I spelled his name wrong. That’s totally not the point of the post at all. Ps I’m not President I can mis spell world leaders names and no one except you really gives a crap, it’s not an international incident. |
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Post by spottiedottie on Aug 30, 2021 21:18:22 GMT
If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN. You didn't understand my post at all, but you gave me a big laugh. Bless your heart. I wasn't responding to you, as I'm sure you know, but to hop2, whose post you deleted in the quote, but I'm glad I gave you a laugh. |
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Post by spottiedottie on Aug 30, 2021 21:20:26 GMT
If you are referring to the president of Turkey his name is ERDOGAN. What ever, I wrote that post with his name on the fly, during my break, so I didn’t look it up. So, sue me if I spelled his name wrong. That’s totally not the point of the post at all. Ps I’m not President I can mis spell world leaders names and no one except you really gives a crap, it’s not an international incident. I apologize, hop2. Misspellings are a pet peeve of mine but I should've just let it go. Sorry. |
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Post by jayfab on Aug 30, 2021 21:24:20 GMT
I find the lengths people will go to defend and justify Joe Biden's incompetence mind boggling. He has mentioned on numerous occasions things like "I've been instructed..." or "I'll get in trouble if I do/say this...". I find it extremely alarming that someone else is telling him what to do and say. I can't imagine any other president accepting someone else controlling them, much less admitting it publicly. And the argument that that's the way they did on the West Wing? PLEASE be realistic. This is not a tv show! Can you even imagine Clinton or Obama saying something similar??? Both of them were very much in control of their White House and would NEVER allow anything to slip out that might make them look bad, much less putting it out there themselves. The fact that Joe sees nothing wrong with it says a lot. Also, Presidents hold press briefings about topic A and the press asks questions about topic B, C, and D EVERY DAY. You all are like "he wants to talk about Ida and a reporter dared ask about something else??? The horror!!" Get real. I remember Bill Clinton being desperate to talk about anything else in 1998 but all he ever got asked about was Monica Lewinsky. The same is true for every other president. The press has always asked about what they are interested in, with no regard for what the president wants to talk about. Donald Trump's handling of the media has no bearing whatsoever on Joe Biden's handling of the media, just like Ronald Reagan's or George Bush's handling of the media has no bearing on Biden's handling of the media. Biden is responsible for himself and constantly pointing fingers at someone else you think was worse does not bolster your argument that everything is fine with Biden. I'm not a fan of Trump so spare me the insults about Trump supporters. The concerns about Biden's competency are real. Open your eyes and stop letting your hatred of Trump blind you to the reality we are facing with this president. When someone says this insult the entire post just reads blah blah blah. |
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Post by spottiedottie on Aug 30, 2021 21:30:35 GMT
I’m giggling myself silly over this. Glad you pointed that out to Merge OMG 😆 I’m giggling too! [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 30, 2021 21:31:50 GMT
[br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? For fucks sake troll, go back to your alt-right board or post under your real ID. |
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Post by spottiedottie on Aug 30, 2021 21:38:21 GMT
Ok pinklady, I'll do as you say.
Back to your uninterrupted echo chamber, peas!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 30, 2021 21:44:12 GMT
Nah, it was just better for former to tell the Russians, IN THE OVAL OFFICE, Israeli confidential info.
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Post by jayfab on Aug 30, 2021 21:46:59 GMT
[br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Do you not understand the difference between getting advice and "being told"? |
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Post by pierogi on Aug 30, 2021 21:47:22 GMT
You didn't understand my post at all, but you gave me a big laugh. Bless your heart. I wasn't responding to you, as I'm sure you know, but to hop2, whose post you deleted in the quote, but I'm glad I gave you a laugh. I deleted nothing. And you indeed responded to me. You seem to be having a lot of trouble today.  |
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Post by teach4u on Aug 30, 2021 21:49:54 GMT
I worked all day. As I said, you feel Biden’s intelligent. I feel he’s demonstrated the opposite. Gave list of Americans left behind to the Taliban. He left people he promised to save. That’s immoral.
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Post by teach4u on Aug 30, 2021 21:51:45 GMT
60% of Americans feel Biden screwed this up
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 30, 2021 21:52:33 GMT
Talk about immoral!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 21:54:46 GMT
[br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? as I said before: "I've been instructed" would mean I've listened to the experts around me. It signals he is surrounding himself by other informed opinions. That would personally make me feel he is being more considered about the options, but you've decided to interpret it as he's a puppet. Noticing what you're concerned about (Biden obeying people and people referencing a tv show), it seems you take words very literally as opposed to colloquially. Maybe this is the way you interpret the world in general then? That might be an issue that you have so, no, others don't find what you notice as concerning. |
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Post by gar on Aug 30, 2021 22:00:15 GMT
[br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Who said it’s one person? Don’t be ridiculous- all heads of state operate within a team of advisers and experts. For except for trump who mostly listened to his unqualified family. |
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