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Post by Merge on Aug 30, 2021 23:03:15 GMT
OMG š Iām giggling too! [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Clearly we don't find it concerning, and my joke was an indication of just how unconcerning we find it. For all the reasons people have stated above, there's nothing ominous or strange about his behavior. It's part just his political schtick and part how things are done. The WH hosts regular press briefings with a knowledgeable press secretary whose literal job it is to field all these questions. Frequent access to the president for all the bullshit reporters bring up is, frankly, a waste of his time. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 30, 2021 23:15:58 GMT
\ OMG š Iām giggling too! [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Is this what Fox news and other far right media are trying to say? OMG!!!! President Biden is taking orders from someone?? Who is it??? The thing about trying to take Trump out of the equation is that when people complain about or are outraged about things like this, but didn't say anything about Trump the last 5 years, Those "concerns" lose a lot of credibility. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 30, 2021 23:24:05 GMT
60% of Americans feel Biden screwed this up But that is not what your thread is about. Your thread is about how we feel about him not answering a question at a press conference. And for the record, while I don't think he screwed this up (after all, he inherited a deal made with terrorists by Trump, and technically, according to that, we should have been out of there months ago), I do think he could have handled it differently/better. But he also had not much choice when the Afghan government just left the country abruptly, with American money no less. |
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Post by elaine on Aug 30, 2021 23:26:32 GMT
\ [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really?
The thing about trying to take Trump out of the equation is that when people complain about or are outraged about things like this, but didn't say anything about Trump the last 5 years, Those "concerns" lose a lot of credibility. For a while the right wing media was spreading the misinformation that Kamala Harris was actually calling all the shots and Biden was just a powerless figurehead. Because the only thing worse than a Black man as President (Obama) would be a Black woman as President. š Iām not sure what their stance on that is now. Apparently they have all sustained serious head injuries and forgotten all the times that Trump literally stormed out of Press Conferences when asked questions he didnāt like, so who knows what they are rambling on about these days. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 30, 2021 23:29:04 GMT
Iraq was a serious intelligence breakdown which just shows that no matter how knowledgeable and experienced advisors to any president are they can still get it wrong. The stigma of Iraq will always remain with Bush because he made the final call. This is how I feel right now about Biden. He made the final call, but perhaps there was some breakdown who got it wrong. Trump still left him with a shit show, and I don't expect any of you Trump supporters to admit that because I know you never will. Just like I think Bill Clinton left Bush with a shit show. And Reagan left the first Bush with a shit show. These things don't happen in a matter of weeks in a vacuum. |
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Post by Just T on Aug 30, 2021 23:39:17 GMT
And you do know that Biden actually said that "the buck stops here," right? When the hell did Trump EVER admit he might have been wrong, or take responsibility for any freaking thing that went wrong during his presidency? Perhaps I missed him admitting that...
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Post by purplebee on Aug 30, 2021 23:59:50 GMT
\ [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Is this what Fox news and other far right media are trying to say? OMG!!!! President Biden is taking orders from someone?? Who is it??? Well, it sure aināt Sean Hannity! |
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Post by Merge on Aug 31, 2021 0:10:52 GMT
\Is this what Fox news and other far right media are trying to say? OMG!!!! President Biden is taking orders from someone?? Who is it??? Well, it sure aināt Sean Hannity! Or Putin. What a nice change of pace! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 0:26:24 GMT
Iraq was a serious intelligence breakdown which just shows that no matter how knowledgeable and experienced advisors to any president are they can still get it wrong. The stigma of Iraq will always remain with Bush because he made the final call. This is how I feel right now about Biden. He made the final call, but perhaps there was some breakdown who got it wrong. Trump still left him with a shit show, and I don't expect any of you Trump supporters to admit that because I know you never will. Just like I think Bill Clinton left Bush with a shit show. And Reagan left the first Bush with a shit show. These things don't happen in a matter of weeks in a vacuum. Also, didn't trump's administration refuse to share and/or withheld info while transitioning? |
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Post by annaintx on Aug 31, 2021 0:27:17 GMT
60% of Americans feel Biden screwed this up Where are you getting this figure? Source please. |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 31, 2021 0:28:18 GMT
OMG š Iām giggling too! [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? oh, for fuck's sake |
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 31, 2021 0:29:11 GMT
\ [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Is this what Fox news and other far right media are trying to say?Ā OMG!!!! President Biden is taking orders from someone?? Who is it???Ā The thing about trying to take Trump out of the equation is that when people complain about or are outraged about things like this, but didn't say anything about Trump the last 5 years, Those "concerns" lose a lot of credibility. Ā Ā soros? Bezos? Aliens? Jewish space lasers? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 31, 2021 0:31:35 GMT
Maybe Hillary?
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 31, 2021 0:59:27 GMT
I heard one conservative genius just today assert that Obama is giving the orders. And trust me, this guy is a local yokel and is dumber than a box of rocks. Which is to say that I am sure that he didnāt come up with that bit of jackassery on his own. He is parroting someone else. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 31, 2021 1:12:53 GMT
There's a sign on a state highway in a more conservative part of my state that says "sleepy Joe Biden is a puppet". Who do they think is pulling the strings? Have they moved on from former is really in charge?
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 31, 2021 1:25:12 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 31, 2021 1:33:56 GMT
Thank you for your thoughts. Not how I see it. Thatās the great thing about a free country. How can you see it any other way? When trump did the same thing line every other day? But Biden does it one time at a FEMA presser? Typical republican hypocrisy |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 31, 2021 1:36:35 GMT
Americans have such a short attention span. Many have already moved on from Afghanistan to the fires in California, the hurricane and Covid. Most Americans stopped caring what happened in Afghanistan after Osama bin Laden. I'm not saying that the withdrawal is insignificant, just that to most Americans, its not even in their top 10 list of priorities.
I'm not trying to justify the withdrawal. Admittedly, there was a lot of room for improvement. I just think in the bigger picture, looking long term, President Biden will be evaluated for the economic recovery and Covid significantly more than Afghanistan. If the infrastructure bills and a voting rights bill pass Congress, those will have a bigger impact on most Americans.
eta - I think final judgement on Afghanistan for President Biden is uncertain. I think it depends on how things go with the Taliban in charge. Are we able to get remaining allies out? Will girls be able to go to school? Will women be able to work?
And I think Republicans will shift their focus from blaming Biden to anti-immigration and stopping Afghan refugees from settling here.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2021 1:58:07 GMT
OMG š Iām giggling too! [br The President of the United States is being told by someone else what to say, he is obeying that person and admitting publicly that he is doing so. Who is this person? It's not Jen Psaki. The fact that Biden is deferring to anyone else in the White House is alarming. Does no one else really not find this concerning? Instead you say the press secretary on West Wing told POTUS what to do & say so it's all good? Let's all have a giggle? Really? Your ignorance must be bliss. Mergeās west wing comment was a joke, most got it the second it was posted. And absolutely President should be taking and listening to advice from his staff. Itās not alarming, itās smart. Why wouldnāt he listen to the subject matter experts? Look at what a disaster trump wasāhe didnāt listen to anyone and mucked up everything he was involved in. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2021 1:58:51 GMT
Ok pinklady, I'll do as you say. Back to your uninterrupted echo chamber, peas! Oh sweetie, youāre the one stuck in an echo chamber cult. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 31, 2021 1:58:54 GMT
 You didn't understand my post at all, but you gave me a big laugh. Bless your heart. I wasn't responding to you, as I'm sure you know, but to hop2, whose post you deleted in the quote, but I'm glad I gave you a laugh. Well, I just read all four pages and thereās nothing I can add that hasnāt been said, so Iāll play forum pedant and address posting etiquette: 1. When you want to reply to someoneās post, i.e. hop2ās, you need to reply to her original post, not the post of someone completely different (pierogi) who replied to that post. If you do it the way you chose, pierogi will get a notification that you replied to her, and hop2 will NOT get a notification and may or may not stumble across the reply you wanted her to see. Meanwhile, pierogi, and others reading, will scratch their heads. 2. When pierogi replied to you, the forum software included the last two posts and her new contribution, as it always does. Hop2ās post was deleted by the forum, not pierogi. 3. There are lots of people on this forum who have good senses of humor. There are also plenty who are West Wing fans. And then thereāre some people who are very literal. I think we just witnessed a once-in-a-forum-lifetimeās intersection of those three groups. Well done. LOL. pierogi hop2 |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 31, 2021 1:59:03 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2021 1:59:50 GMT
I worked all day. As I said, you feel Bidenās intelligent. I feel heās demonstrated the opposite. Gave list of Americans left behind to the Taliban. He left people he promised to save. Thatās immoral. This was a debunked lie. It was thoroughly discussed and record set straight at todayās presser. No one knows of any list, no one has seen a list. In order for US to safely evacuate people who were on transport, they may have had to show ID/passport. However there has been no evidence of a ālistā let alone a list of people āleft behindā. That was a lie spread all over right wing entertainment/disinformation channels. Itās shameful that people like you keep spreading such awful lies. People spreading such lies put people in great danger. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 31, 2021 2:01:07 GMT
Ok pinklady, I'll do as you say. Back to your uninterrupted echo chamber, peas! Oh sweetie, youāre the one stuck in an echo chamber cult. Exactly! Republican tactic, they're masters at this - accuse others of that which you are guilty. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 31, 2021 2:06:35 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 31, 2021 9:46:41 GMT
In case anybody is interested, this is an excellent thread about how we got here and why we need to make some policy changes now that this war is finally over.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 31, 2021 11:50:45 GMT
I believe that they left themselves wiggle room in not making their statement an absoluteāonly because of the rapidness of what happening and they are trying to get information. Itās clear that the administration itselfāmeaning White House didnāt give a list however they cannot say with 100% certainty what someone in military or embassy might have had to provide for safe passage. I believe they were trying to be careful on what they said, no absolutes, they stated that the situation is fluid and ongoing, vs how the previous administration would make their claims as absolute only to find out they lied over and over. |
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