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Post by mom on Sept 21, 2021 1:39:35 GMT
But the public engagement is what lead to finding her. A couple had taken a photo of the van at the place were they were camped. The police had a place to start looking because of the public. Yes, you’re right, but could that that tip have happened, as it often has in the past, without the wholesale public speculation? Things like a “good source says she’s hiding in her grandmother’s basement” worries me. I worry about something happening like when Reddit decided it had identified the Boston Marathon bombers. Somebody could get hurt. I also worry about future juries when we have such widespread WebSleuthing. I saw a lawyer on TT talk about this - and she is worried very much that the public and all its theories are giving Brian a defense (or several defenses) that will actually create reasonable doubt in a court setting.
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Post by mom on Sept 21, 2021 1:46:58 GMT
They just released a 911 call from someone saying that Brian was slapping Gabby in the van. Has that been known already?? I thought witnesses said she was hitting him. And therefore HE was the DV victim. I hope this helps show that he isn't totally innocent in regards to that incident. I watched when they were pulled over and just now I listened to the 911 call. How the hell did that get turned around?? The cop on the police cam even said she would get a paper with a court date and have to appear in court! Where did it come from that she was hitting him?? The 911 caller never said anything like that! He even ended the call stating he feared the worst for her!! That is so horrible. It came from her admitting that she had hit him in the van to the cop that pulled them over. wgntv.com/news/bodycam-footage-shows-gabby-petito-boyfriend-after-911-call-weeks-before-disappearance/
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Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 21, 2021 2:01:53 GMT
I watched when they were pulled over and just now I listened to the 911 call. How the hell did that get turned around?? The cop on the police cam even said she would get a paper with a court date and have to appear in court! Where did it come from that she was hitting him?? The 911 caller never said anything like that! He even ended the call stating he feared the worst for her!! That is so horrible. It came from her admitting that she had hit him in the van to the cop that pulled them over. wgntv.com/news/bodycam-footage-shows-gabby-petito-boyfriend-after-911-call-weeks-before-disappearance/Didn’t read this article but reports said she was slapping him snd that he had scratches all over his face snd arms - could he defensive but that wasn’t the way it was worded. It made it sound like she was the aggressor when the police were talking to them. Reporting can always be wrong and if only seeing a small blip of time wrong assumptions can be made.
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 21, 2021 2:06:47 GMT
Reporting can always be wrong and if only seeing a small blip of time wrong assumptions can be made. The full bodycam video of the stop is available on YouTube. It clears this up really easily.
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Post by sunny1016 on Sept 21, 2021 2:11:24 GMT
Yes. Thats what they said the 911 call stated -originally anyway! I saw in the video that she said she hit him with her cell phone. (Which you think they would have questioned if he indeed was all scratched up. A cell phone wouldn't scratch you, it would leave a bruise.) But- it was said that they were responding to a call that a woman was hitting a man in a parking lot. Where did that come from is what I was referring to.
Eta-I was responding to Scrapper100- (I didn't grab the quote)
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Post by Skellinton on Sept 21, 2021 3:47:30 GMT
They just released a 911 call from someone saying that Brian was slapping Gabby in the van. Has that been known already?? I thought witnesses said she was hitting him. And therefore HE was the DV victim. I hope this helps show that he isn't totally innocent in regards to that incident. They could both be abusive. I have unfortunately known couples that both hit each other.
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2021 4:31:04 GMT
Wow! Birukitty brings up good and true points that I obviously missed. I was a victim of domestic violence and totally agree with her observations. I went and watched the police video. I am changing my opinion. He did it and his parents are covering for him.
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Post by welshjenni on Sept 21, 2021 9:47:23 GMT
I read this earlier this morning, posted on a U.K. page Don’t Look Back , run by a fantastic woman, Rachel Williams, herself a victim of DA, which included being shot by her ex husband. She is a strong advocate for DA survivors and educateds organisations on the whole DA picture.
This is what she posted —-
I am sharing this from a private American domestic abuse group because the points are spot on.
"Important lessons to learn from Gabby’s tragic life and death.
1. Based on the body camera video posted by the officers who pulled Gabby and her fiancé over for suspicious driving, some viewers assumed Gabby was suffering from mental illness and Brian was the stable one.
2. Some people may have assumed both partners were equally abusive and equally at fault. The old “it takes two” myth that doesn’t really apply to most abusive situations.
3. Some people may have even assumed Gabby was the abuser and Brian was the victim.
4. These assumptions are classic. Why? Because, in many cases, the target manages to keep things together until her breaking point, at which time others may see her crying or hear her yelling or see her breaking, and then they assume she’s “crazy.”
5. Meanwhile, the abuser plays the part of the poor, patient partner who has to deal with this crazy person. But all the while, he’s been acting very differently behind closed doors, pushing her to this point intentionally and feeding on her emotional break. He LOVES to see evidence that he has hurt her. He LOVES to see her pain.
6. For this reason, “breaking her” has been his goal from the start. It may take him hours or weeks or months or even years to break her, but he won’t stop until he gets that reaction, and then he’ll point the finger and say, “See? She’s crazy. I’m just trying to keep her calm.” And then he’ll do it again. And again. And again.
7. As a result, some people will buy into that false narrative. Even the target. Which brings me to my next point.
8. In the video, we see Gabby making many excuses for Brian’s behavior, and she takes all the blame for everything he does.
9. We also see Brian blaming Gabby and saying he was just trying to keep her calm.
10. This is also the norm for victims of long-standing abuse. A target becomes conditioned to believe everything the abuser does is her fault.
11. Also, she clearly doesn’t want Brian to be in trouble. She’d rather pay the price and protect the man she loves. Also, remember she truly believes he only acted this way because of her, so she doesn’t want him to be blamed. This is also the norm.
12. Smart officers see right through this. Others buy the cover-up story. (And because some officers are also abusers, they all too frequently side with the abuser even when they know exactly what’s going on.)
13. I actually credit the police in Gabby’s situation. They were calm, they separated the couple, they interviewed them individually, they split them up for the night, they did everything right. I’m sure the officer has tremendous guilt about the end result and wonders if he could have prevented it, but I don’t blame the officers in this case. I was actually pretty surprised and impressed with how well they treated both Brian and Gabby (and, sadly, I was thinking how rare it is to see that.)
14. Many people have been shocked by Brian’s family’s refusal to cooperate with police. I’m not shocked at all. Let’s look at that a little more closely.
15. I’m also not surprised to learn that Gabby lived with the Laundrie family for a year. We all see this family will do anything to protect their son, even at the cost of an innocent young woman who was a real part of their family and soon to be their daughter in law. While most of us can certainly understand them wanting to protect their child, they crossed a moral line when Gabby went missing.
16. But I think it goes deeper than that. I think it shows them as a system of enablers who not only allowed Brian to abuse Gabby over a long term (which probably led to her intense anxiety) but also a system of gaslighters who were probably always shifting the truth to keep Gabby confused and make her believe she’s the problem. She was caught in an entire system of abuse. And once you’re in that web, it’s very very very difficult to see a way out.
17. I imagine they probably contributed to her abuse from the start and encouraged their son’s abusive behaviors by rewarding him, making excuses for him, blaming Gabby, flipping the script, and keeping her in the fog that breaks down a person’s psyche and spirit over time.
18. Gabby and Brian had been together since their teens. This is also common. These immature relationships work beautifully when both partners grow together and mature emotionally. But when one wants to keep the other down, naive, and under his control…and the other is growing, learning, and maturing, it doesn’t work.
19. We hear Gabby tell the officer that Brain didn’t think she could do her travel blog. It seems clear that he didn’t believe in her and was trying to make her not believe in herself.
20. She also says he didn’t like her working and that he locked her out of the van because she wouldn’t calm down. But when you listen to the full video, it sounds like he was upset because they’d spent too much time at the coffee shop with her working on her website when he wanted to go hiking. She wasn’t in her seat when he was ready to leave. Control issues?! He squeezed her face with his hand in anger. He cut her down and criticized her, verbally abusing her until she was a wreck of tears. He was breaking her spirit, intentionally.
21. Why? Because her focus wasn’t 100% on him. And because she had found a job she enjoyed and was good at and that allowed her to connect with other people, when he wanted her all to himself.
22. She now had this one little piece of her life that he couldn’t completely control, so he wanted fo get rid of that. It angered him. He punished her for it. See the pattern?
23. The overall takeaway? When you see someone crying like this, don’t assume she’s crazy. Don’t buy into the false narrative given by the abuser. Don’t believe the cover-up story by the target who has been conditioned to carry all the blame and shame. And don’t assume she’s going to be okay. She just may end up your next recovered body.
24. If you or someone you love are in an unhealthy relationship, please don’t assume it will get better in time. I haven’t heard one single story where it got better. Not one. Not with therapy. Not with church. Not with prayer or forgiveness or complete surrender. Nothing works when the abuser is determined to destroy that target. He will not stop until she is erased from this world or from her life. And in many cases, he’ll walk away without any consequences.
Please don’t let the next Gabby be you or someone you love.
Domestic violence hotline: 1-800-799-7233 U.K.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 11:50:31 GMT
I read this earlier this morning, posted on a U.K. page Don’t Look Back , run by a fantastic woman, Rachel Williams, herself a victim of DA, which included being shot by her ex husband. She is a strong advocate for DA survivors and educateds organisations on the whole DA picture. She campaigns tirelessly on behalf of victims of Domestic Violence. She suffered for 18 years before her husband shot her with a shot gun and then hanged himself. Must be about 10 years ago now. Very soon after, her 16 year old son committed suicide as he couldn't deal with the trauma of the DV he'd been exposed to throughout his life and what, subsequently, his dad did to his mother. It was such a tragic case. I think Brian was the abuser. Whether he intended to kill Gaby, I don't know. or did he hit her so hard and killed her but it wasn't the intention? Either way he is responsible IMO and his parents are covering for him. It will be interesting to find out the autopsy reports. That should show up some evidence of what actually happened and how she died. I feel so sorry for her family. ETA - Having read another more recent report I'm doubting that a standard autopsy will tell them anything. I might be going down a wrong path here. Generally when they say they are waiting for forensic evidence it's usually because for one reason or another they are unable to make a formal identification. Hate to ask this but are there wild animals where she was found? I feel sick even thinking of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 12:08:29 GMT
I had a migraine yesterday so I missed all of the recent news until today at 3:00 pm when I logged onto my computer. I was sort of surprised that they found Gabby's body (so fast) and so very sad for her and for her family. On one hand I thought this would be the case all along. On the other I thought it would take much longer to find her-I'm very relieved for her family that her body was found. Of course the best news would have been that Gabby had been found alive-obviously! But if it had to be this at least the family didn't have to wait weeks, months or years to know what happened to Gabby or where she is. I think that's harder on a family-the not knowing for a long length of time. Thank goodness for all of the social media and the fine work by all of the folks who helped in the search. I still think Brain killed her and I think he panicked and went home. I do believe his parents are covering for him, but maybe they were fooled by his lies whatever they were. But why then did they wait 3 or 4 days before letting police know he'd been "missing"? And why did they drive his car from the reserve back to their home? Maybe that was on the advice of their attorney? I don't think he's in that reserve (I think that time gave him time to escape somewhere and hide), and I don't think he killed himself. Now that Gabby's body has been found I'm even more certain of that. I wonder if he had a passport? If he did he could be anywhere. If he didn't he's probably hiding somewhere within the USA. I could be totally wrong about any of these thoughts. The reason I don't think he killed himself is that I believe Brain was domestically abusing Gabby for awhile before he killed her. Abusers normally are all about themselves. They believe they do nothing wrong-it's always someone else's fault-usually their partner's and they let her/him know it over and over again. In that cop video the first thing Gabby does when explaining to the police what happened is start blaming herself. "I have OCD. I have anxiety." She also knows if she blames Brian, once the cops leave he'll let her have it even worse. And she loves him. That's the sick cycle of domestic abuse. These abusers are extremely manipulative. See how in the video he charms the police-and they buy it hook, line and sinker. Abusers are not the type of people to kill themselves. Just because she's dead it isn't his fault. She did something to make him lose control. It's all her fault she's dead. That's how they think. I'm not saying it's not impossible for him to have killed himself. I just don't think it's likely. I don't know much about the actual story and have no comment on who did what, but long story...I ended up watching that hour long video and the cops just had me shaking my head and hoping to god they both reflect on their interaction, bias and assumptions. I have no doubt they have a difficult job and are trying to interpret 2 versions and work out what is legal and what is best for all, but there needs to be serious reflection from 2 cops who threw their ex-wife and current wife well and truly under the bus by disclosing their mental health problems to both Brian and Gabbie and now YouTube with both stating how much of a handful (my paraphrasing) they are to deal with. Much nudge nudge wink wink going on with Brian. Good luck to the cop who has been married for 5 years to such a problematic wife. I can't imagine what she's thinking after seeing that. Then 1 cop laid out the facts as far as who can and can't be charged/cited and said well, because we can't be biased based on gender, we have to charge/cite her (my paraphrasing). His words implied he wasn't keen but said its the law. I use the words charge and cite because I think citations were discussed, but I'm not skipping back through the video to work it out. More conversations followed between cops and that cop seemed to change his attitude of 'it's the law', to then 'what is easiest'. It's possible the sun was beating down on him and he was getting jack of the whole thing. He said to the other cop that it was his call but he suggested that one option was to let them both go seperately and to tell them they can't talk to each other for a night and then contact each other the next day. One cop said they couldn't talk to each other but asked Gabbie do you want me to pass any messages on to him....like you love him etc? She didn't say yes. She just said make sure he gets his phone charger. So that cop goes to Brian and says ok, Gabbie says she loves you and will talk to you tomorrow....and the phone charger message. Then he walks back to Gabbie and says ok, now, no contact tonight. Brian says he loves you etc etc. Brian said no such thing. This cop is transmitting messages that no one said and creating a narrative to both of them (an abuser and a victim) that the other says I love you. At the end Gabbie is starting to ramp up her crying and they just hand the keys over and let her drive off. She did not seem fit to drive to me. Anyway, I'm sure the facts will come out as far as Brian and Gabbie. The cops were nice and all but watching that cop interaction just made it so obvious to me why domestic abuse does not change. EDIT: forgot to mention the cop with the ex-wife walking up to Gabbie and saying to her, I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to think long and hard about it. Don't answer automatically. This question has very serious consequences so think hard about your answer. And the question was what was your intention when you were hitting Brian. She said her intention was to make him stop telling her to calm down. The cop turns to the other cop and says, well she didn't say there was any intent to harm. As if to say - case closed. After that conversation is when the cops chit chatted and decided to just let them seperate for the night. He led a horse to water for a desired outcome that suited him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 12:22:56 GMT
Well when I first watched the video I didn't think he hurt her on purpose, maybe in defending himself and panicked. But now that I have read more viewpoints I am wondering if I just don't know enough about domestic abuse etc.
I think it was mentioned by others above (or maybe on other forums) but I do think it's very odd that not many friends/classmates have come forward to talk about Brian and Gabby's relationship and personalities. They are not long out of high school and all these kids are on SM, especially TikTok. You think there would be more out there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 12:24:17 GMT
This cop is transmitting messages that no one said and creating a narrative to both of them (an abuser and a victim) that the other says I love you. They need more training. A LOT more training.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 21, 2021 12:29:26 GMT
Yes, you’re right, but could that that tip have happened, as it often has in the past, without the wholesale public speculation? Things like a “good source says she’s hiding in her grandmother’s basement” worries me. I worry about something happening like when Reddit decided it had identified the Boston Marathon bombers. Somebody could get hurt. I also worry about future juries when we have such widespread WebSleuthing. I saw a lawyer on TT talk about this - and she is worried very much that the public and all its theories are giving Brian a defense (or several defenses) that will actually create reasonable doubt in a court setting.I have also seen this on TT and I hope it doesn't help him get away with his crime - or anyone!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 21, 2021 12:40:53 GMT
I had a migraine yesterday so I missed all of the recent news until today at 3:00 pm when I logged onto my computer. I was sort of surprised that they found Gabby's body (so fast) and so very sad for her and for her family. On one hand I thought this would be the case all along. On the other I thought it would take much longer to find her-I'm very relieved for her family that her body was found. Of course the best news would have been that Gabby had been found alive-obviously! But if it had to be this at least the family didn't have to wait weeks, months or years to know what happened to Gabby or where she is. I think that's harder on a family-the not knowing for a long length of time. Thank goodness for all of the social media and the fine work by all of the folks who helped in the search. I still think Brain killed her and I think he panicked and went home. I do believe his parents are covering for him, but maybe they were fooled by his lies whatever they were. But why then did they wait 3 or 4 days before letting police know he'd been "missing"? And why did they drive his car from the reserve back to their home? Maybe that was on the advice of their attorney? I don't think he's in that reserve (I think that time gave him time to escape somewhere and hide), and I don't think he killed himself. Now that Gabby's body has been found I'm even more certain of that. I wonder if he had a passport? If he did he could be anywhere. If he didn't he's probably hiding somewhere within the USA. I could be totally wrong about any of these thoughts. The reason I don't think he killed himself is that I believe Brain was domestically abusing Gabby for awhile before he killed her. Abusers normally are all about themselves. They believe they do nothing wrong-it's always someone else's fault-usually their partner's and they let her/him know it over and over again. In that cop video the first thing Gabby does when explaining to the police what happened is start blaming herself. "I have OCD. I have anxiety." She also knows if she blames Brian, once the cops leave he'll let her have it even worse. And she loves him. That's the sick cycle of domestic abuse. These abusers are extremely manipulative. See how in the video he charms the police-and they buy it hook, line and sinker. Abusers are not the type of people to kill themselves. Just because she's dead it isn't his fault. She did something to make him lose control. It's all her fault she's dead. That's how they think. I'm not saying it's not impossible for him to have killed himself. I just don't think it's likely. I don't know much about the actual story and have no comment on who did what, but long story...I ended up watching that hour long video and the cops just had me shaking my head and hoping to god they both reflect on their interaction, bias and assumptions. I have no doubt they have a difficult job and are trying to interpret 2 versions and work out what is legal and what is best for all, but there needs to be serious reflection from 2 cops who threw their ex-wife and current wife well and truly under the bus by disclosing their mental health problems to both Brian and Gabbie and now YouTube with both stating how much of a handful (my paraphrasing) they are to deal with. Much nudge nudge wink wink going on with Brian. Good luck to the cop who has been married for 5 years to such a problematic wife. I can't imagine what she's thinking after seeing that. Then 1 cop laid out the facts as far as who can and can't be charged/cited and said well, because we can't be biased based on gender, we have to charge/cite her (my paraphrasing). His words implied he wasn't keen but said its the law. I use the words charge and cite because I think citations were discussed, but I'm not skipping back through the video to work it out. More conversations followed between cops and that cop seemed to change his attitude of 'it's the law', to then 'what is easiest'. It's possible the sun was beating down on him and he was getting jack of the whole thing. He said to the other cop that it was his call but he suggested that one option was to let them both go seperately and to tell them they can't talk to each other for a night and then contact each other the next day. One cop said they couldn't talk to each other but asked Gabbie do you want me to pass any messages on to him....like you love him etc? She didn't say yes. She just said make sure he gets his phone charger. So that cop goes to Brian and says ok, Gabbie says she loves you and will talk to you tomorrow....and the phone charger message. Then he walks back to Gabbie and says ok, now, no contact tonight. Brian says he loves you etc etc. Brian said no such thing. This cop is transmitting messages that no one said and creating a narrative to both of them (an abuser and a victim) that the other says I love you. At the end Gabbie is starting to ramp up her crying and they just hand the keys over and let her drive off. She did not seem fit to drive to me. Anyway, I'm sure the facts will come out as far as Brian and Gabbie. The cops were nice and all but watching that cop interaction just made it so obvious to me why domestic abuse does not change. EDIT: forgot to mention the cop with the ex-wife walking up to Gabbie and saying to her, I'm going to ask you a question and I want you to think long and hard about it. Don't answer automatically. This question has very serious consequences so think hard about your answer. And the question was what was your intention when you were hitting Brian. She said her intention was to make him stop telling her to calm down. The cop turns to the other cop and says, well she didn't say there was any intent to harm. As if to say - case closed. After that conversation is when the cops chit chatted and decided to just let them seperate for the night. He led a horse to water for a desired outcome that suited him. I agree with everything you have said.
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2021 15:10:13 GMT
I read the same article that welchjenni posted above. I can totally relate to what she wrote and now I can see it happening in what I know of the situation.
Not to take away from the significance of Gabby’s situation. I am alive but at the time I just barely survived. If not for a concerned neighbor who saw my x speed off, heard a crying baby and came over to check on me, I most likely would not be. I had 17 breaks in my ribs, a broken back, a ruptured spleen, a broken arm, clavicle, wrist, and nose (again). I had a split open chin. I was laying on the cement floor in the basement hemorrhaging out from my spleen. After all the hitting me, he literally picked me up and threw me down the stairs to the basement. I get the floor with such force that the setting on my ring collapsed and my stone flew across the floor. A couple of things to note. Back in 1986, domestic violence was a “couple problem.” After being beaten one time and having to get medical attention, my doctor suggested couples counseling. The first thing out of his mouth to the counselor was “She is crazy! She is mentally ill.” The counselor was great and said, “Both of you will take testing. If she is indeed crazy, we will find out.” We both took a day of testing. When we met with the counselor afterwards, he kindly said, “She is not crazy or mentally ill.” In fact he went further and commented, “She actually has a healthier psychological profile than you.” That was the last time he attended counseling. During our divorce trial my attorney just wanted something out even though he knew it would be objected to and stricken. He asked the question if “Why did you do it? Why did you have to hurt her so badly?” His response was, “She was so out of control that I had to physically restrain her.”
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Post by nicolep on Sept 21, 2021 15:25:22 GMT
I read the same article that welchjenni posted above. I can totally relate to what she wrote and now I can see it happening in what I know of the situation. Not to take away from the significance of Gabby’s situation. I am alive but at the time I just barely survived. If not for a concerned neighbor who saw my x speed off, heard a crying baby and came over to check on me, I most likely would not be. I had 17 breaks in my ribs, a broken back, a ruptured spleen, a broken arm, clavicle, wrist, and nose (again). I had a split open chin. I was laying on the cement floor in the basement hemorrhaging out from my spleen. After all the hitting me, he literally picked me up and threw me down the stairs to the basement. I get the floor with such force that the setting on my ring collapsed and my stone flew across the floor. A couple of things to note. Back in 1986, domestic violence was a “couple problem.” After being beaten one time and having to get medical attention, my doctor suggested couples counseling. The first thing out of his mouth to the counselor was “She is crazy! She is mentally ill.” The counselor was great and said, “Both of you will take testing. If she is indeed crazy, we will find out.” We both took a day of testing. When we met with the counselor afterwards, he kindly said, “She is not crazy or mentally ill.” In fact he went further and commented, “She actually has a healthier psychological profile than you.” That was the last time he attended counseling. During our divorce trial my attorney just wanted something out even though he knew it would be objected to and stricken. He asked the question if “Why did you do it? Why did you have to hurt her so badly?” His response was, “She was so out of control that I had to physically restrain her.” My God. I feel like any words I express will be so small but I am so very sorry you experienced such awfulness. Idk you but I AM glad you are here! ♥
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 16:00:37 GMT
twinks I am also glad you are here. As hard as it must have been, thank you for sharing your very difficult experience.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 16:06:11 GMT
twinks - I am dumbstruck and horrified. I am so sorry you experienced so much horror. I am grateful you are with us. I am grateful to not live in the past and I hope that we move heaven and earth (mental health counseling, education, assistance, etc) so that this kind of domestic terror is minimized to zero. You are heard and valued.
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Post by wellway on Sept 21, 2021 16:11:53 GMT
twinks so glad you made it through, so grateful for your neighbour. Hugs to you
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Post by malibou on Sept 21, 2021 16:16:32 GMT
twinks Damn girl, I'm so glad you are with us. I'm grateful to your neighbor. Would I be horrible for hoping he is rotting in jail?
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2021 16:52:32 GMT
Thanks all. It is something that I have had to let go and move on from. I refuse to let him have control over me and I refuse to have a victim mentality. That said, there are occasions that I have to allow myself 5-10 minutes of being pretty damn mad about what I have lost and what I suffer. I have a permanent disability resulting from my injuries. I have trauma induced arthritis and some days it is pretty painful. I have worked to block most of this out because it is what it is and being angry doesn’t change anything. I think that is why I missed all the clues regarding Gabby.
I believe that the cops did what they could do in this situation. One of the things I worked hard to do was to change a couple of laws regarding domestic violence. One time I called 911 when he was beating me. He grabbed me and threw me to the ground and hung up. The dispatch person heard this. The recording has me yelling for help and I was being grabbed and thrown. You can actually hear me hitting the floor before the disconnect. 45 minutes later the dispatcher called to “see if I still needed help.” One of the laws now is to dispatch officers immediately on any domestic calls. Another law is to have officers talk to each person separately. Not the officer(s) talking to one and then the same officer(s) talking to the other party. The final law is to separate the individuals. It is suppose to be a 24 hour “no contact” separation. The bill that was proposed to the State Legislature is for the “victim” to receive counseling during this time. However, like myself, most victims have been so robbed of any self esteem and your belief system/reality becomes the perpetrators reality about you that most women go back. It is a cycle and in that 24 hours the perpetrator can really change. It takes a lot to walk away. It takes a really strong support system. I just wish that in the time Gabby was away from what’s his name that she had reached out to someone. She had to be scared out of her mind. I hurt for her.
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2021 16:57:38 GMT
twinks Damn girl, I'm so glad you are with us. I'm grateful to your neighbor. Would I be horrible for hoping he is rotting in jail? I just so wanted out and I had a great family support system. I just went after the divorce and not a tort case or charged him with assault. It was harder back then and thankfully we look at domestic violence differently now. We still have a ways to go and I believe that people (cops) need to be better educated to see the signs. I certainly missed the signs in Gabby’s case and I lived it. It took the post on this thread to open my eyes. I will add that Karma is a bitch. From what I understand, he is a miserable person.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 21, 2021 17:23:05 GMT
My town now has volunteer domestic violence response teams who go out with the police. Fortunately I have no need, but could have used them 40+ years ago.
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Post by Laurie on Sept 21, 2021 17:45:55 GMT
I am really angry at the people posting the picture of her crying in the police car with the paragraphs about DV. Remove that picture from the post. I feel awful for her family and friends who have to see that image. As a parent I can't even imagine how much it would pain me seeing my little girl crying like that knowing what the outcome is. I find it in extremely poor taste and those people should be ashamed of themselves.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 21, 2021 19:10:40 GMT
I watched when they were pulled over and just now I listened to the 911 call. How the hell did that get turned around?? The cop on the police cam even said she would get a paper with a court date and have to appear in court! Where did it come from that she was hitting him?? The 911 caller never said anything like that! He even ended the call stating he feared the worst for her!! That is so horrible. It came from her admitting that she had hit him in the van to the cop that pulled them over. wgntv.com/news/bodycam-footage-shows-gabby-petito-boyfriend-after-911-call-weeks-before-disappearance/ Again that is very common is abuse victims. Gabby was blaming herself left and right when she talked to the police when they pulled the van over. This is extremely common when police talk to abuse victims. They know that if they tell the actual truth-that they are being controlled, that they are being verbally abused, that they are being physically abused-that the second the police are gone they will get it ten fold from the abuser. Why did she stay with Brain at this point? Because leaving is incredibly difficult. Especially for such a young woman. These abusers are incredibly manipulative. They seperate their victims physically and socially from their friends and family. They convince them that no one loves them except for the abuser. After each fight it's all "I'm so sorry. It's my fault. I swear I'll never hurt you again. I love you so much baby" and because the victim believe it and loves the guy she stays. I did it. I stayed for 7 years in an abusive marriage. I was 25 when we got married. After I left I got amazing therapy from the county I lived in for free. I learned all about this type of abuse-why it happens and how it happens. Don't believe everything you hear from either of them on that cop video. Brian does such an excellent job of manipulating the male police that they are all on his side. I'm wondering now if Gabby actually really had OCD or anxiety. Was she ever diagnosed with them or did Brian just tell her she had it?
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Post by birukitty on Sept 21, 2021 19:39:29 GMT
I read the same article that welchjenni posted above. I can totally relate to what she wrote and now I can see it happening in what I know of the situation. Not to take away from the significance of Gabby’s situation. I am alive but at the time I just barely survived. If not for a concerned neighbor who saw my x speed off, heard a crying baby and came over to check on me, I most likely would not be. I had 17 breaks in my ribs, a broken back, a ruptured spleen, a broken arm, clavicle, wrist, and nose (again). I had a split open chin. I was laying on the cement floor in the basement hemorrhaging out from my spleen. After all the hitting me, he literally picked me up and threw me down the stairs to the basement. I get the floor with such force that the setting on my ring collapsed and my stone flew across the floor. A couple of things to note. Back in 1986, domestic violence was a “couple problem.” After being beaten one time and having to get medical attention, my doctor suggested couples counseling. The first thing out of his mouth to the counselor was “She is crazy! She is mentally ill.” The counselor was great and said, “Both of you will take testing. If she is indeed crazy, we will find out.” We both took a day of testing. When we met with the counselor afterwards, he kindly said, “She is not crazy or mentally ill.” In fact he went further and commented, “She actually has a healthier psychological profile than you.” That was the last time he attended counseling. During our divorce trial my attorney just wanted something out even though he knew it would be objected to and stricken. He asked the question if “Why did you do it? Why did you have to hurt her so badly?” His response was, “She was so out of control that I had to physically restrain her.” Twinks I am so very sorry that this happened to you. You went through so much pain and suffering. Thank God for your neighbor. I'm so glad you were able to get out! I share my story and have since it happened in 1993 because I want to educate whoever I can about domestic violence. I learned so much about the insides of domestic violence, the hows, the whys, the entire cycle and the history during the amazing therapy I got from my therapist after I got out. That helps me to better understand and recognize domestic abuse when I hear stories about it. The more people who hear about domestic violence, learn about it, the more victims we can save. My abuse story is that he got physical twice. It was emotional abuse for 7 years before that. I let him talk me into staying with him after the first physical abuse. After he went after me with a fireplace poker I seriously considered leaving for good. It was on a phone call to my dear sister that the "bubble" of brainwashing seemed to break and I said, "Yes, come and get me". I had a 4 year old son at the time. Thank God I didn't stay for years after that. I'm so glad for DS's sake that I got him out of that home when I did-I just wish I did it earlier. That night my sister picked us both up and drove us to our parent's home. Ex was under arrest and spending the night in jail so we had time to make our escape. It was so strange. The further we got away from the house the clearer and clearer my thinking became. It really is like being brainwashed. I am so proud of you for working on those laws for domestic violence. I have wanted to help domestic violence victims for years and hoped to work with them in a shelter but in my state that isn't allowed unless you have a Master's degree which I don't.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 21, 2021 19:43:34 GMT
I read this earlier this morning, posted on a U.K. page Don’t Look Back , run by a fantastic woman, Rachel Williams, herself a victim of DA, which included being shot by her ex husband. She is a strong advocate for DA survivors and educateds organisations on the whole DA picture. Thanks so much for posting this Welshjenni. It is a much more involved and better written explanation than what I've been trying to say for the past few days. I agree with every single statement in this post.
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Post by questioning on Sept 21, 2021 19:49:46 GMT
We need to add a hug button.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 19:53:27 GMT
twinks I'm so very sorry for what you went through. I'm so glad you came through this awful period in your life and sincerely hope that you are in a much better place right now. And the same to you birukitty It's ironic that you need a masters to help. IMO the best people to help the victims are past victims that have had the strength to walk away and found support at the time they needed it most, the ones that know exactly how these victims feel. You can't learn that from any text book or from gaining a degree.
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Post by birukitty on Sept 21, 2021 20:06:51 GMT
I was just scanning the news on Google and came across an article in the New York Post entitled, "Brian Laundrie possibly spotted on deer cam in Florida, cops 'actively' investigating" by Jackie Salo. I can't do links on this computer but hopefully you all can find it. Anyway, the gist of the article says it may have been him that was spotted on a deer cam (it certainly looks like him) and it's 500 miles from his home-not in that reserve they've been searching for days. This guy is carrying the same backpack (internet folks say) that Brian has previously been seen with on Instagram. It's a black and white, blurry photo so it's hard to see for sure.
That's a possibility I never thought of. He's an avid hiker. Instead of escaping and hiding with a car or a plane (easy to track) one of his parents could have dropped him off somewhere miles from home to hike and hide in the wilderness (he could hide there for a long time) and tell the police he went hiking in the reserve near their home as a decoy. Running out of food would be a problem unless he knows how to hunt/fish for his own food.
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