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Post by birukitty on Sept 21, 2021 20:13:43 GMT
twinks I'm so very sorry for what you went through. I'm so glad you came through this awful period in your life and sincerely hope that you are in a much better place right now. And the same to you birukitty It's ironic that you need a masters to help. IMO the best people to help the victims are past victims that have had the strength to walk away and found support at the time they needed it most, the ones that know exactly how these victims feel. You can't learn that from any text book or from gaining a degree. Thanks so much for this dottyscrapper. I wish my state felt the way you do. I really appreciate your words. |
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Post by stormycat on Sept 21, 2021 21:24:20 GMT
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Post by mom on Sept 21, 2021 21:31:50 GMT
I am so thankful they could determine it was homicide - I was cautiously hopeful when they said they could see her tattoos. |
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Post by gina on Sept 21, 2021 22:05:52 GMT
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Post by twinks on Sept 21, 2021 22:31:01 GMT
My heart just hurts. I hope they find him. I also hope and pray for her family and those who love Gabby.
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Post by MissBianca on Sept 21, 2021 22:31:39 GMT
Good lord that Don’t Look Back piece was a flashback to my BFF and her husband. Like word for word!
He had her so convinced that she was crazy and violent. The worst part of it was they lived in the town they both grew up in. The cops knew her mom was crazy and he was buddies with all of them so they never ever helped. The other worst part was knowing that no matter what we said to her, she wouldn’t leave until she was ready or dead. It was a crapshoot to which would come first. So we flipped it. DH and I pulled her DH aside and said we know what you are doing. We know you are trying to push everyone away and alienate her. We are not going anywhere. If you hurt her or the girls we will find you.
Fast forward a few years he came damn close to killing her. She managed to get away and said I called R(my DH) and the cops. If R gets here first you. are. dead. He ran like there was no tomorrow. We did get there before the cops and we lived 30 minutes away. We packed her and the kids and left a message. I dare you to set foot on my land, see what happens if you do.
We thank the moon and stars every day she got away. My heart just breaks for Gabby and her family.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Sept 22, 2021 0:08:00 GMT
I’m so sad this was the outcome but so grateful that her family knows.
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Post by mollycoddle on Sept 22, 2021 0:26:19 GMT
I read the same article that welchjenni posted above. I can totally relate to what she wrote and now I can see it happening in what I know of the situation. Not to take away from the significance of Gabby’s situation. I am alive but at the time I just barely survived. If not for a concerned neighbor who saw my x speed off, heard a crying baby and came over to check on me, I most likely would not be. I had 17 breaks in my ribs, a broken back, a ruptured spleen, a broken arm, clavicle, wrist, and nose (again). I had a split open chin. I was laying on the cement floor in the basement hemorrhaging out from my spleen. After all the hitting me, he literally picked me up and threw me down the stairs to the basement. I get the floor with such force that the setting on my ring collapsed and my stone flew across the floor. A couple of things to note. Back in 1986, domestic violence was a “couple problem.” After being beaten one time and having to get medical attention, my doctor suggested couples counseling. The first thing out of his mouth to the counselor was “She is crazy! She is mentally ill.” The counselor was great and said, “Both of you will take testing. If she is indeed crazy, we will find out.” We both took a day of testing. When we met with the counselor afterwards, he kindly said, “She is not crazy or mentally ill.” In fact he went further and commented, “She actually has a healthier psychological profile than you.” That was the last time he attended counseling. During our divorce trial my attorney just wanted something out even though he knew it would be objected to and stricken. He asked the question if “Why did you do it? Why did you have to hurt her so badly?” His response was, “She was so out of control that I had to physically restrain her.” What an awful situation. Thank God you got out of it. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 22, 2021 0:30:39 GMT
If R gets here first you. are. dead. He ran like there was no tomorrow. We did get there before the cops and we lived 30 minutes away. We packed her and the kids and left a message. I dare you to set foot on my land, see what happens if you do. You did what you were forced to do to protect your family. I'm sorry your family was in such a situation. This attitude is exactly why I love Texas so much. Someone messes with you like this, it may very well be the last thing they ever do and all your neighbors will back you up. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 22, 2021 0:55:47 GMT
We also see Brian blaming Gabby and saying he was just trying to keep her calm. Nothing soothes an angry or upset woman more than being told to calm down. Especially when said with a smirky smile. /satire That's my bells ringing, lights flashing, train on the tracks rumbling warning signal going off right there. He flat out told the police that he hit the curb because she took the wheel. She said she pulled on (slapped?) his arm, which is nowhere near the same thing. He slid that in there so smoothly, even one of the cops thought the difference in statements was possible based on their different perspectives. That's too slick to be a one-off kind of thing. More like something someone with a whole lot of practice can pull off. Really great piece you copied! I actually credit the police in Gabby’s situation. They were calm, they separated the couple, they interviewed them individually, they split them up for the night, they did everything right. I’m sure the officer has tremendous guilt about the end result and wonders if he could have prevented it, but I don’t blame the officers in this case. I was actually pretty surprised and impressed with how well they treated both Brian and Gabby Textbook work by the police. So calm. So considerate. Steadily moving forward securing the individuals and their van without distressing them. Definitely the bodycam is a great video for future training! The only thing the officer could have done differently was to lock her up for the night. Nothing more. Speaking of, can you imagine the high he must have felt when she was the one being held immediately accountable? Maybe he really didn't want her to be charged, but he sure didn't look all that upset when they told her she could be and he was free to go. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 1:36:44 GMT
We also see Brian blaming Gabby and saying he was just trying to keep her calm. Nothing soothes an angry or upset woman more than being told to calm down. Especially when said with a smirky smile. /satire That's my bells ringing, lights flashing, train on the tracks rumbling warning signal going off right there. He flat out told the police that he hit the curb because she took the wheel. She said she pulled on (slapped?) his arm, which is nowhere near the same thing. He slid that in there so smoothly, even one of the cops thought the difference in statements was possible based on their different perspectives. That's too slick to be a one-off kind of thing. More like something someone with a whole lot of practice can pull off. Really great piece you copied! I actually credit the police in Gabby’s situation. They were calm, they separated the couple, they interviewed them individually, they split them up for the night, they did everything right. I’m sure the officer has tremendous guilt about the end result and wonders if he could have prevented it, but I don’t blame the officers in this case. I was actually pretty surprised and impressed with how well they treated both Brian and Gabby . So calm. So considerate. Steadily moving forward securing the individuals and their van without distressing them. Definitely the bodycam is a great video for future training!The only thing the officer could have done differently was to lock her up for the night. Nothing more. Speaking of, can you imagine the high he must have felt when she was the one being held immediately accountable? Maybe he really didn't want her to be charged, but he sure didn't look all that upset when they told her she could be and he was free to go. I think we viewed that video a little differently. I agree they were nice to them but their bias was atrocious. Definitely good for future training but not in the way I think you see it. Link to my thoughts about the cops: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/3484129/thread |
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 22, 2021 1:42:03 GMT
Nothing soothes an angry or upset woman more than being told to calm down. Especially when said with a smirky smile. /satire That's my bells ringing, lights flashing, train on the tracks rumbling warning signal going off right there. He flat out told the police that he hit the curb because she took the wheel. She said she pulled on (slapped?) his arm, which is nowhere near the same thing. He slid that in there so smoothly, even one of the cops thought the difference in statements was possible based on their different perspectives. That's too slick to be a one-off kind of thing. More like something someone with a whole lot of practice can pull off. Really great piece you copied! Textbook work by the police. So calm. So considerate. Steadily moving forward securing the individuals and their van without distressing them. Definitely the bodycam is a great video for future training!The only thing the officer could have done differently was to lock her up for the night. Nothing more. Speaking of, can you imagine the high he must have felt when she was the one being held immediately accountable? Maybe he really didn't want her to be charged, but he sure didn't look all that upset when they told her she could be and he was free to go. I think we viewed that video a little differently. I agree they were nice to them but their bias was atrocious. Definitely good for future training but not in the way I think you see it. Link to my thoughts about the cops: 2peasrefugees.boards.net/post/3484129/threadSomething really bothered me about that video. I got the "Good Ole Boy" vibe about it, including a fist bump. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Sept 22, 2021 2:47:57 GMT
I think we viewed that video a little differently. I can't disagree with you. They already calmed her down once, though, plus separated her from the boyfriend and set up a place for him to sleep for the night. You can't just keep autonomous adults once they are free to go. On the video, the cop did ask about a room for her but the other party wouldn't because of the possible charges. Kind of odd, but whatever. It was a ... creative... way to let her go without charging her. (more below) The case for having to pursue domestic abuse charges that would hold her overnight in a cell was closed. Her own words were what was binding him to have to make that call despite the reality that nobody thought she was a real threat. Word play technicality is what it came down to, but such is the state of our legal system and what laws cops are required to adhere to. I was once giving a ticket for (lightly) backending the car ahead of me in the pouring rain on an uphill bridge of a highway when that car came to a sudden halt at the top because of the unseen tie-up just ahead caused by the police that ended up giving me an automatic ticket because the state law said that since I was behind, I was at fault. Never mind that I practically slid into the rail of the bridge so I wouldn't hit the car, which was why there was only the slightest damage to my car and none to the other, and there was no doubt of what had happened. If I had been speeding at all or following too closely there would have been a bad accident. --- Automatic ticket for me. Automatic DA response to Gabby's words. Something really bothered me about that video. I got the "Good Ole Boy" vide about it, including a fist bump. Not all of the responding officers were male. Textbook case for many reasons. There's always good and bad to be taken from a real situation. How to separate and dismiss parties in a technical domestic abuse is always something of interest and an entire class could be taken up on that alone. Is it a good idea to set up the calm male for the night while the distraught and very slight female is left to fend for herself? Or is that being sexist? I thought overall the pluses were very strong. The responding officer de-escalated the situation calmly, quickly and thoroughly. Backup came quickly and did their job. And a distraught young woman was not forced to spend the night in lockup - still shaking my head over her even being considered as an abuser. Once she said she had hit/scratched him, and was responsible for the car hitting the curb though... Yes, Gabby deserves this attention. Yes, the video is compelling to watch. No, she is by far and away not the only woman to disappear. It seems like the only cases that ever make national news like this, though, are the ones involving pretty, young blonde girls. Every day, girls of every race and description are taken and/or go missing and they get no notice at all. Maybe if they too got this kind of attention, fewer would be now gone. |
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 22, 2021 3:07:02 GMT
I think we viewed that video a little differently. I can't disagree with you. They already calmed her down once, though, plus separated her from the boyfriend and set up a place for him to sleep for the night. You can't just keep autonomous adults once they are free to go. On the video, the cop did ask about a room for her but the other party wouldn't because of the possible charges. Kind of odd, but whatever. It was a ... creative... way to let her go without charging her. (more below) The case for having to pursue domestic abuse charges that would hold her overnight in a cell was closed. Her own words were what was binding him to have to make that call despite the reality that nobody thought she was a real threat. Word play technicality is what it came down to, but such is the state of our legal system and what laws cops are required to adhere to. I was once giving a ticket for (lightly) backending the car ahead of me in the pouring rain on an uphill bridge of a highway when that car came to a sudden halt at the top because of the unseen tie-up just ahead caused by the police that ended up giving me an automatic ticket because the state law said that since I was behind, I was at fault. Never mind that I practically slid into the rail of the bridge so I wouldn't hit the car, which was why there was only the slightest damage to my car and none to the other, and there was no doubt of what had happened. If I had been speeding at all or following too closely there would have been a bad accident. --- Automatic ticket for me. Automatic DA response to Gabby's words. Something really bothered me about that video. I got the "Good Ole Boy" vide about it, including a fist bump. Textbook case for many reasons. There's always good and bad to be taken from a real situation. How to separate and dismiss parties in a technical domestic abuse is always something of interest and an entire class could be taken up on that alone. Is it a good idea to set up the calm male for the night while the distraught and very slight female is left to fend for herself? Or is that being sexist? I thought overall the pluses were very strong. The responding officer de-escalated the situation calmly, quickly and thoroughly. Backup came quickly and did their job. And a distraught young woman was not forced to spend the night in lockup - still shaking my head over her even being considered as an abuser. Once she said she had hit/scratched him, and was responsible for the car hitting the curb though... Yes, Gabby deserves this attention. Yes, the video is compelling to watch. No, she is by far and away not the only woman to disappear. It seems like the only cases that ever make national news like this, though, are the ones involving pretty, young blonde girls. Every day, girls of every race and description are taken and/or go missing and they get no notice at all. Maybe if they too got this kind of attention, fewer would be now gone. I know that, I watched the video. |
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Post by rodeomom on Sept 22, 2021 4:21:02 GMT
John Walsh on CNN brought up a good point. When was the last time anyone saw Bryan? I know the parents are saying the last they saw him was on Tuesday. But maybe he was gone long before that?
What do y'all think? And why was the FBI not watching him?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 22, 2021 4:28:39 GMT
Tomorrow night, Wednesday, John Walsh will feature this case... In search of Brian type thing... I don't know what he it is on..
He has some very strong feelings about Brian and the behavior of his parents.
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Post by wellway on Sept 22, 2021 6:27:40 GMT
I'm thinking Brian will find it hard to stay hidden, he will need stuff at some point and the downside of having a blog that has gone viral is that he has no way of knowing who will recognise him. And a lot of people are aware of him now.
Did the police ever actually see him after he came home or were they told he wasn't talking? Perhaps he has been gone longer.
I've been wondering what type of relationship the parents have.
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Post by sunshine on Sept 22, 2021 13:22:20 GMT
It’s confusing why the search for him abruptly stopped, and then started again in a different spot in the nature preserve. I am having a hard time believing he took off and is hiding in an area that’s been described as 75% under water and filled with snakes and alligators,
I have a strong feeling his family has been throwing off search efforts giving him time to get away.
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Post by JavaJones on Sept 22, 2021 14:02:42 GMT
It’s confusing why the search for him abruptly stopped, and then started again in a different spot in the nature preserve. I am having a hard time believing he took off and is hiding in an area that’s been described as 75% under water and filled with snakes and alligators, I have a strong feeling his family has been throwing off search efforts giving him time to get away. Yes, this. I have not read anything that mentions the borders, airports, etc. were watched or airline passenger lists were examined. He could very well be in Mexico or Central America by now, and his parents may have aided his escape by creating a false trail to the Nature Preserve. |
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Post by sunshine on Sept 22, 2021 14:46:39 GMT
It’s confusing why the search for him abruptly stopped, and then started again in a different spot in the nature preserve. I am having a hard time believing he took off and is hiding in an area that’s been described as 75% under water and filled with snakes and alligators, I have a strong feeling his family has been throwing off search efforts giving him time to get away. Yes, this. I have not read anything that mentions the borders, airports, etc. were watched or airline passenger lists were examined. He could very well be in Mexico or Central America by now, and his parents may have aided his escape by creating a false trail to the Nature Preserve. I agree! |
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Post by grammanisi on Sept 22, 2021 14:58:45 GMT
I've wondered this from the beginning. Has anyone(besides the parents) seen him since he supposedly came home on the first?
Did his dad fly to Wyoming and drive the van back?
So many questions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 15:26:21 GMT
I reckon he killed her some time between the 27th August after she sent that text to her parents then he drove back to Florida between the 29th August after the couple gave him a lift ( think he went back for the van) and September 1st when he arrived at his parents house. I also reckon it was him that sent that odd text to her parents on the 30th to throw them off so he had time to get back with the van. He dropped the van off, collected some belongings/money/passport maybe and made off on that day and his parents knew and then delayed telling the police until he had had time to get far enough away. That is also the reason he didn't talk to the police - he wasn't there to talk to them!
There's no other logical explanation to the way he or his parents have acted throughout this situation.
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Post by sunshine on Sept 22, 2021 15:30:42 GMT
I've wondered this from the beginning. Has anyone(besides the parents) seen him since he supposedly came home on the first? Did his dad fly to Wyoming and drive the van back? So many questions. I saw a report this morning that a neighbor saw him cutting the grass, and then went went for a bike ride with his mother. |
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Post by summer on Sept 22, 2021 15:32:46 GMT
Brian's parents definitely have been hindering the investigation and protecting their son. If he did leave the country or even just left his state where is he getting money from? Wouldn't there be some sort of trace of accounts accessed?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 15:36:51 GMT
Brian's parents definitely have been hindering the investigation and protecting their son. If he did leave the country or even just left his state where is he getting money from? Wouldn't there be some sort of trace of accounts accessed? I'm guessing that would be one of the things they would be looking for when they searched the house yesterday - bank details etc so they could check. Like all things these things take time. |
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Post by bc2ca on Sept 22, 2021 16:00:05 GMT
I'm assuming the police are looking for Brian's body and have no expectation that he is alive with the way they have focussed the search on the nature reserve.
I really don't think he fled the country. Most Americans don't have passports and the FBI could quickly determine if Brian did.
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Post by Montannie on Sept 22, 2021 16:23:06 GMT
Have we talked about the man on the trail cam that looks like Brian? trail cam link |
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Post by wellway on Sept 22, 2021 16:49:50 GMT
Have we talked about the man on the trail cam that looks like Brian? trail cam linkThey are commenting that the backpack looks the same but actually I think the ear is more telling. His right ear has a unique look, the trail cam still and the photo of him kissing Gabby sideways on look very similar. |
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Post by sunshine on Sept 22, 2021 17:09:48 GMT
I also think if he’s not found at this nature area the plan was for it to appear the gators got him.
I hope I’m wrong and he’s found.
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Post by Montannie on Sept 22, 2021 17:32:18 GMT
I also think if he’s not found at this nature area the plan was for it to appear the gators got him. I hope I’m wrong and he’s found. I tend to agree that his disappearance was supposed to result in his "death," no body found. |
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