jediannie
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Post by jediannie on Nov 3, 2021 3:51:10 GMT
I've been wondering about this for awhile and figured I'd ask all you wise people your thoughts on this potentially polarizing issue.
When someone posts something very political on their scrappy social media channels, how do you feel about that? When someone posts something that is completely opposite of my own views, I will usually ask them to clarify what they mean and if they are willing to have a civil discourse I will continue to follow them, but if they get all defensive and aren't willing to listen to a differing viewpoint, I will unfollow and usually block them too. I had an issue with a famous-ish scrapper last year and ended up unfollowing and blocking her because she was posting utter nonsense and got super defensive when I asked her to clarify and give me examples of what she was posting from credible sources. I just ran into this issue again tonight with someone I followed on Instagram and when I asked her to clarify what she meant she said some very disturbing things that were untrue so I unfollowed and blocked.
Anyway, I am interested to hear what you all have to say.
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on Nov 3, 2021 4:11:49 GMT
I prefer scrapbookers remain apolitical, personally- especially if the posts are on their business page.
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Post by Night Owl on Nov 3, 2021 5:15:01 GMT
I follow very few because to be honest most of them end up turning me off when I see too much. I got turned off at the beginning of the Pandemic during quarantine when I saw some of them flaunting being maskless and not social distancing. I think because scrapbooking was popular in the LDS religion and people think of it as family oriented that it tends to lean towards conservative Republicans so I would rather not know. LOL
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Nov 3, 2021 6:04:59 GMT
When someone shows/tells me who they are I believe them.
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Chinagirl828
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Nov 3, 2021 7:06:21 GMT
It's an interesting question, because my immediate thought was I'd rather they kept their opinions to themselves, but then I think of Kelly Purkey who is reasonably vocal about her opinions and makes products relevant to them. That's not to say someone who is extremely conservative couldn't have used her election stamp set or the Trump sticker to tell stories about their views, but I suspect many of those whose beliefs don't align with hers are probably also not supporting her store.
I don't follow anyone who shares particularly political views, but if I did, I would expect them to be willing to engage in meaningful discussion about what they post. If they don't want to hear opposing viewpoints, then they shouldn't be posting online.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 12:01:27 GMT
Honestly, I would rather politics not come into their scrappy stuff at all (same for religion). And if their views are different from mine, I wouldn't have an issue if it were made known in a neutral way and they indicated they were inclusive and open to all regardless of their political (or religious) leanings...which I probably haven't seen that I can think of!
I like how you handled it - attempt to clarify with them before you unfollow and block. This way, at least it puts them on notice why they may be losing followers. For me, I've had some that I just unfollow. And I've been on the fringe with a YouTuber that I watch the most. She is fairly inclusive yet in a subtle catty way at times she will make her viewpoints known. And then she gets dramatically defensive if anyone calls her out (while I'm cheering on those that do, haha). Now that I typed this out, I kind of want to unfollow her!
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Post by scrappyem on Nov 3, 2021 12:18:57 GMT
100% with you. The current (vocal) political climate on the right is so far outside my value system, I can't follow scrappers, friends, coworkers, family etc who post about it. I have friends on both sides, have for years, but it's just too upsetting and there's no logic behind (most of my republican friends are not Trump republicans, but I have close co-workers who are and it's been rough. We do not talk about it at all). I choose not to have that in my scrappy/art feed. I want that to be my happy place. I do stand by their right to post whatever they want on their own channels of course, it's just not for me when they do. I have no problem following people who's values line up with mine, like KP or Traci Reed who talk politics. But it's my feed and I'll do what I want.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 12:38:33 GMT
We scrapbook our lives. If someone wants to share photos of them working at a polling center, at a rally, voting, volunteering with at risk youth, etc cool. They should be able to do that. Even if it is opposite of my beliefs. (They are at a republican rally, I am Democrat)
Now if they make positive layouts about Trump, show themselves at a protest against LGBTQIA or abortion, have an all lives matter layout, anything about Qanon, or political climate that puts down opposing sides, that crosses the line FOR ME and I will no longer follow.
I am not there for discourse. I am there to see layouts and get inspiration.
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edie3
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Post by edie3 on Nov 3, 2021 13:01:37 GMT
There is someone I follow on social media, not scrapbooking, but decorating, and some of the things she posts are so out there. Becoming magnetic after vaccine, etc. I need to quit following her, but want to tell her why.
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Ryann
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Post by Ryann on Nov 3, 2021 13:26:42 GMT
We scrapbook our lives. If someone wants to share photos of them working at a polling center, at a rally, voting, volunteering with at risk youth, etc cool. They should be able to do that. Even if it is opposite of my beliefs. (They are at a republican rally, I am Democrat) Now if they make positive layouts about Trump, show themselves at a protest against LGBTQIA or abortion, have an all lives matter layout, anything about Qanon, or political climate that puts down opposing sides, that crosses the line FOR ME and I will no longer follow. I am not there for discourse. I am there to see layouts and get inspiration. This is about where I stand, too. I’m also firmly atheist and have no desire to see overly religious posts or layouts. Too many #blessed and I’m out!
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Post by boymom5 on Nov 3, 2021 13:38:17 GMT
I personally would prefer politics to be out of it as it become so heated and an us against them mentally for many. But, I go to crafty people to get inspiration and can appreciate them showing how they are documenting current events. If doing so I’d prefer not to have commentary. So if I don’t agree with how they are presenting then I skip the video just as I do if it’s another topic I don’t enjoy. If it becomes overtly one sided in topics I stop following.
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Post by Linda on Nov 3, 2021 13:47:28 GMT
I don't really follow scrapbookers on social media but ... I don't have a problem with people scrapbooking current events/politics whether I agree with them or not. I'm not looking for inspiration in their photos or journalling but in the layout itself (design/colours).
As for people posting political opinions - I think tying your political (or religious) beliefs to your job (business website/social media) is rarely wise unless it's actually relevant to the job (you're selling religious themed scrapbook stuff for example). I don't tend to have discussions on people's social media about religion or politics - it's unlikely anything I could post is going to change their mind so why get into a pissing match? If I find it too offensive to continue reading, I'll block or unfollow.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 3, 2021 13:57:11 GMT
Well, I think I am in the minority because I would rather know who the Qanon, Trumper, racist, homophobic people are so I can make sure NOT to support them, either with money or views.
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Post by needtime2scrap on Nov 3, 2021 13:57:35 GMT
I personally can handle a bit of political talk if its respectful. I chose to unfollow a bunch of people last year because some if their posts made me uncomfortable. Specifically about medical things, covid and vaccines. Their posts were thinly veiled qanon nonsense and I was done. I go for inspiration not indoctrination.
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Post by lasteve1 on Nov 3, 2021 13:59:57 GMT
I love seeing this topic here because I have been sooo torn on the subject myself.
I am not in any means a scrapbook celeb, but I am on a creative team and try to share inspiration on my page. Personally, I am super liberal and athiest, but I know that people are coming to my instagram to see craft inspiration and I don't want to make anyone feel unwelcome as long as they are going to be respectful of me. It's not that I don't feel that political issues are important, they are, and I think that in my personal/professional life I have way more to do with politics than the average person, but I want to try to keep it off my craft instagram/youtube as much as possible because I don't want to turn that into a platform for anything other than crafting. I have a personal instagram that is mostly followed by personal friends/family (not scrapbookers) and if I really want to share something political there, I will do that. Sometimes I feel like my lack of posting political content on my scrapbook instagram might be construed certain ways, so I have felt a little pressured/torn in that. But, I have stuck to my initial thoughts about not posting overtly political messages.
That said, I do share most of my projects, and my projects are about my life. With how prevalent politics has become, there is no way to keep that out of my projects. For example, I created a page about getting vaccinated and shared that. I also do weekly project life and want to include political references in my pages, because that's part of my life. I had an insert about the presidential election last year, stuff about the riots earlier this year, and lots of pages of myself wearing a mask. I didn't put these out there to make a statement, I put them out there because first, and foremost, I create my scrapbooks to document my life for me and my family. I share them online to provide inspiration and be part of a community, but I'm not going to sensor my life for that purpose. Nevertheless, every single time I post something that has any political undertone, even super minor (for example a screen shot of the front page of the NYT in a pocket in project life to record a current event), I will get DMs attacking me for my politics or yelling at me for including it on my page, and I will get unfollows. It's frustrating, especially because I try to have a polite discussion and typically get nonsense back (for example I had someone "yell" at me, with lots of curse words, that the NYT was fake news and then tell me they were unfollowing me for being "a stupid sheep" that read it, even though the screenshot of the NYT was about a completely nonpolitical news event... a hurricane), but I have to just accept that some people will never want to follow anyone who isn't exactly like them, and I guess that's okay.
It's a fine line, and I wish it wasn't.
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mich5481
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Post by mich5481 on Nov 3, 2021 14:08:45 GMT
It's an interesting question, because my immediate thought was I'd rather they kept their opinions to themselves, but then I think of Kelly Purkey who is reasonably vocal about her opinions and makes products relevant to them. That's not to say someone who is extremely conservative couldn't have used her election stamp set or the Trump sticker to tell stories about their views, but I suspect many of those whose beliefs don't align with hers are probably also not supporting her store. I don't follow anyone who shares particularly political views, but if I did, I would expect them to be willing to engage in meaningful discussion about what they post. If they don't want to hear opposing viewpoints, then they shouldn't be posting online. I am conservative, and I still buy KP stuff - a lot of her content is good regardless of your stance. I do try to avoid most of her overtly liberal posts, as it makes me feel like my voice (and my dollars) are not valued. One thing I've done this year is waiting to purchase items that I want, but won't have FOMO over missing out on, until they are on sale. I can usually get all of those items later, but at a discounted price. If I wasn't so annoyed with her political posts, I might have purchased stuff at full price as it came out. 🤷♀️
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Post by ecvnj58 on Nov 3, 2021 15:24:57 GMT
I am also not a scrappy celeb but do represent a couple design teams. I also sometimes scrap politics or things that are interpreted as political. I for the most part stay away from design team submissions that even toe the line of politics. I think though if you follow me you know where I stand on the current climate. I think that it’s ok because it’s my life and I’m scrapping my everyday. I haven’t received negative comments. I also haven’t posted every page I made that is political. I made one about January 6th that I adore using KPs curse stamp and it’s not going to really be seen.
So on the other side. I have a couple triggers. Antivax, posts about voting be mail being fraudulent and theories that the election was stollen. If you start going on about this on your feed I am going to unfollow you. I just unfollow and don’t say anything about it. My scrolling is for my enjoyment and this I can’t handle.
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Post by janamke on Nov 3, 2021 15:55:30 GMT
We scrapbook our lives. If someone wants to share photos of them working at a polling center, at a rally, voting, volunteering with at risk youth, etc cool. They should be able to do that. Even if it is opposite of my beliefs. (They are at a republican rally, I am Democrat) Now if they make positive layouts about Trump, show themselves at a protest against LGBTQIA or abortion, have an all lives matter layout, anything about Qanon, or political climate that puts down opposing sides, that crosses the line FOR ME and I will no longer follow. I am not there for discourse. I am there to see layouts and get inspiration. This is pretty much how I feel. I actually prefer to understand someone's political beliefs when I follow them. My follow, like, tag, etc can mean money for them. I don't support companies who oppose things I feel are non-negotiable, the same goes for my Instagram support. I will add Covid denier/anti masker to this list.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 16:42:02 GMT
I don't mind seeing the political stuff because I scrapbook current events.
Some responses to things I've seen above :
- Yep, if they're posting misinformation or anti human rights stuff, I unfollow. - Kelly Purkey and I actually grew up in the same city but she grew up in a really racist, white, Christian suburb. I am not surprised that she is using her platform to speak up. I have NO DOUBT that she, as an East-Asian American, experienced a lot of racism growing up by so called "christians". - I am child-free and literally hate seeing all the layouts of people fawning over their kids. If someone has the right to post a picture their kid then they should be able to post a picture of them at a polling place or smiling with an, "I voted" sticker. - Heba from My Little Journal is Muslim, so she doesn't practice Christmas and do December Daily. I love seeing how she scrapbooks through December and celebrates other family moments that I wouldn't. It's way more inspirational than seeing another green and red December spread.
Once again, if someone is going to post bigoted stuff, then I unfollow.
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jediannie
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Post by jediannie on Nov 3, 2021 17:27:25 GMT
I need to quit following her, but want to tell her why. This is what I ended up doing with that semi-famous scrapper. I told her I could no longer follow her or support her business ventures because she was unwilling to have a civil conversation and did not want to hear facts. She replied back to me that I was going to go to hell and that she would "pray for me" and my lack of "understanding". I got petty and wrote back some snark to her comment then unfollowed and eventually blocked because she kept sending me garbage. This is about where I stand, too. I’m also firmly atheist and have no desire to see overly religious posts or layouts. Too many #blessed and I’m out! My trigger is if the first line of their bio has something to do with Jesus or God, I will look through their layouts and such and if they're not overtly religious I'll follow them but if they're all about praising the jesus I don't bother. Well, I think I am in the minority because I would rather know who the Qanon, Trumper, racist, homophobic people are so I can make sure NOT to support them, either with money or views. Yeah, I definitely don't want my money going to this type of person or having any money going there. It just seems like lately I've been blindsided by people who were seemingly decent have been posting so much garbage. I've unfollowed probably 20 people since the election results happened. One woman had never posted anything like that in the year or so since I've been following her so it was just shocking. She was going on and on about how CRT won't be taught in her school and I asked her to explain what she thought CRT was, and she couldn't give me an answer. I sent her the definition and facts about how it is not taught in elementary schools or high schools and she said I was a liar and an idiot for believing that. There really is a fine line as lasteve1 said and it's hard to know where that line is. Anyway, I really appreciate all of you taking time to comment.
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Nov 3, 2021 18:11:27 GMT
I need to quit following her, but want to tell her why. This is what I ended up doing with that semi-famous scrapper. I told her I could no longer follow her or support her business ventures because she was unwilling to have a civil conversation and did not want to hear facts. She replied back to me that I was going to go to hell and that she would "pray for me" and my lack of "understanding". I got petty and wrote back some snark to her comment then unfollowed and eventually blocked because she kept sending me garbage. My goodness. How uncalled for! I can't be the only one wondering who it is? Just call me nosey-Parker lol I'm fine with views being shared, even if they don't align with my personal views. I have no qualms about unfollowing when a response gets petty and over the top defensive. I'm out. Whether that's about religion or politics or the color yellow. As a customer, I didn't "come here" (to your page) to hear/see your histrionics. I think it's a matter of respect. If you can't respect me, the customer, enough to be kind and civil then I can't do business with you. And to be clear-I don't have to be the target. I have the same feeling if I see them treating anybody that way-whether I agree with the issue they're discussing on either side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2021 18:14:17 GMT
I don't mind when people post whatever they'd like on their social media. I don't like to compartmentalize mine so it's a bit of everything so I have a lot of room for that. But if someone is posting a lot political stuff that I don't like, if it's not someone I want to have discussion with I just unfollow. Especially around the pandemic. I have no room for anti-maskers/vaxxers/etc. I know I lose followers every time my selfie has a mask in it, but to me, that's just taking out the trash. Ha. I live in an area with a strong mask mandate so I am often wearing one.
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Ryann
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Post by Ryann on Nov 3, 2021 18:14:37 GMT
I need to quit following her, but want to tell her why. This is what I ended up doing with that semi-famous scrapper. I told her I could no longer follow her or support her business ventures because she was unwilling to have a civil conversation and did not want to hear facts. She replied back to me that I was going to go to hell and that she would "pray for me" and my lack of "understanding". I got petty and wrote back some snark to her comment then unfollowed and eventually blocked because she kept sending me garbage. My goodness. How uncalled for! I can't be the only one wondering who it is? Just call me nosey-Parker lol I'm fine with views being shared, even if they don't align with my personal views. I have no qualms about unfollowing when a response gets petty and over the top defensive. I'm out. Whether that's about religion or politics or the color yellow. As a customer, I didn't "come here" (to your page) to hear/see your histrionics. I think it's a matter of respect. If you can't respect me, the customer, enough to be kind and civil then I can't do business with you. And to be clear-I don't have to be the target. I have the same feeling if I see them treating anybody that way-whether I agree with the issue they're discussing on either side. Completely off topic, but your comment bolded above made me laugh! I have two cats, Parker and Posey. I regularly call Posey a "nosey Posey", but never a "nosey Parker".
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Kerri W
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Post by Kerri W on Nov 3, 2021 19:17:03 GMT
My goodness. How uncalled for! I can't be the only one wondering who it is? Just call me nosey-Parker lol I'm fine with views being shared, even if they don't align with my personal views. I have no qualms about unfollowing when a response gets petty and over the top defensive. I'm out. Whether that's about religion or politics or the color yellow. As a customer, I didn't "come here" (to your page) to hear/see your histrionics. I think it's a matter of respect. If you can't respect me, the customer, enough to be kind and civil then I can't do business with you. And to be clear-I don't have to be the target. I have the same feeling if I see them treating anybody that way-whether I agree with the issue they're discussing on either side. Completely off topic, but your comment bolded above made me laugh! I have two cats, Parker and Posey. I regularly call Posey a "nosey Posey", but never a "nosey Parker". No idea where it originated-something my family has always said in a loving way. I sure hope it isn't offensive and I don't know it.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Nov 3, 2021 19:51:54 GMT
I don't expect scrapbookers and designers to reveal their political stance and core values through social media and blog posts but I make sure to pay attention when they do. Some designers have used their platform - both online presence and product offer - to promote certain causes and embrace the reality of politics as part of our everyday life. As others have mentioned in this thread, Kelly Purkey is probably the one who has been spearheading that movement. Some other folks in the industry have kept mum. As for those who've flown their Trumpian and/or anti-vaxx flag, no thanks.
I have no problems whatsoever with people who don't sit on my side of the political fence. I don't need someone to share my exact views and feelings. I can peacefully disagree on matters such as the importance of state intervention and the likes while being on genuinely friendly terms to cite a typical left/right difference. But I will not support someone who promotes in more or less subtle ways core values that are completely opposite to mine. All opinions are not worth the same. Some are full-on asshole opinions, period. I will not jog along and "accept" or throw money at someone promoting racism, xenophobia, Trumpism (and its many variants in countries around the world) and the likes. My attachment to humanism comes first and foremost. While many subjects are open for discussion, some simply aren't. Sand. Line. Drawn. Shan't cross. Otherwise, I don't really care.
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Post by karinec on Nov 3, 2021 20:09:18 GMT
100% with you. The current (vocal) political climate on the right is so far outside my value system, I can't follow scrappers, friends, coworkers, family etc who post about it. I have friends on both sides, have for years, but it's just too upsetting and there's no logic behind (most of my republican friends are not Trump republicans, but I have close co-workers who are and it's been rough. We do not talk about it at all). I choose not to have that in my scrappy/art feed. I want that to be my happy place. I do stand by their right to post whatever they want on their own channels of course, it's just not for me when they do. I have no problem following people who's values line up with mine, like KP or Traci Reed who talk politics. But it's my feed and I'll do what I want. Same.
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Post by joblackford on Nov 3, 2021 20:24:34 GMT
Completely off topic, but your comment bolded above made me laugh! I have two cats, Parker and Posey. I regularly call Posey a "nosey Posey", but never a "nosey Parker". No idea where it originated-something my family has always said in a loving way. I sure hope it isn't offensive and I don't know it. The phrase nosy-parker or nosey-parker goes way way back. It's more common in British English. Not offensive, thank goodness. www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/nosy-parker.htmlSo funny that you have Parker and Posey kitties Ryann - they could both be noseys!
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Post by joblackford on Nov 3, 2021 20:49:40 GMT
As a follower I don't generally engage with people I disagree with or justify unfollowing them. I just hide them or click unfollow and I'm done with them. I avoid conflict in most scenarios and social media makes it even easier for chickens like me. I only block them if it's really offensive to me. If someone was sending me messages about how they're praying for me/I'm going to go to hell I would block them in a heartbeat, especially if they were not someone I "know" and just someone I followed for inspo.
As a person with a business on social media I do share some "political" stuff on my personal account. I would find it hard not to since everything seems to be political, and I want to stand up for my sense of right and wrong. I tend to keep almost all of that off my business page, but sometimes there's a sense of pressure to take a stand on big issues.
In general I'm fine with people unfollowing me for any reason, just as I will unfollow others for any reason (or even no reason - sometimes my interests have changed or I just have too many people to keep track of). I'm horrified by people yelling abuse at strangers online.
Most of us are not all one thing anyway. I have some views that are very liberal, some that tend more conservative, tbh some are a bit contradictory, some issues I am more passionate about because there is no compromise when the other side of the issue says "no way, no how, never ever!" I'm not at all surprised that I can follow someone for years and like them until a specific issue comes up that they view in a way that I just can't look past.
I think some people use social media like Pinterest and other people use it like Fbk or their journal. I think there's a bit of a conflict depending on how/how much you live on social media. I would be annoyed if I was browsing inspiration and all I could find were people's deeply personal journal entries! Equally a lot of crafty share accounts are kind of boring to me because they're so shallow - "here's today's card," and that's it.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 4, 2021 1:41:14 GMT
If I'm offended, I'll block or unfollow. Scrapbooking is the one area where I want to be oblivious to the outside world and not know people's stances or comments on anything. I just want to be inspired by photos, cut, paste, and finish a page.
That probably sounds selfish and I didn't explain it well, but I really need... I guess what you would call a safe space to retreat.
Blah! This is why I suck at journaling feelings on pages.
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Post by don on Nov 4, 2021 2:16:01 GMT
This is the papercrafting venue. For some unknown reason there are other venues available on this site for non papercrafting opinions. Personally I feel Facebook, twitter, and tik toc were developed to provide all the fractious topics one could possibly want or need.
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