Kyle Rittenhouse trial - anyone watching?

LMAO! Here's a primer for you so you know what is actually supposed to happen. www.videoforensicexpert.com/5-tips-for-preparing-digital-video-evidence-for-court/

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You can't tell me they didn't know this. It's best practice to make sure compression and misrepresentation of the original is prevented. 

You didn't have anything to say about how the HD version was provided "'until after the trial concluded". www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10210087/Prosecutors-Kenosha-shooter-trial-WITHHELD-evidence-defense.html

www.hrw.org/report/2020/09/30/kettling-protesters-bronx/systemic-police-brutality-and-its-costs-united-states

On the evening of June 4, 2020, about 300 people marched peacefully through Mott Haven, a low-income neighborhood in New York City’s South Bronx, to protest police violence and systemic racism. Less than an hour into the march, and about 10 minutes before an 8 p.m. curfew went into effect, the marchers encountered scores of police officers with riot gear, including helmets, shields, and batons. Bicycle police used their bikes to form a wall and prevented the protesters from moving forward, while other officers pushed from behind – a tactic known as “kettling.” The protesters were trapped, with no way to disperse.


“We were being packed and packed like sardines,” one protester later recalled. Many started chanting, “Let Us Go!” and one person cried out, “You’re gonna kill us – I can’t breathe.”

Just after 8 p.m. and the start of the city-wide curfew – imposed a few days earlier due to looting in other areas– the police moved in on the protesters, unprovoked and without warning, whaling their batons, beating people from car tops, shoving them down to the ground, and firing pepper spray in their faces.

“Then it’s kind of all a blur,” one protester said, recounting how a police officer punched him in the face, another twisted his finger and broke it, and a third pulled off his Covid-19 face mask and doused him with pepper spray. “Then they dragged me on the ground and beat me with batons,” he said. “Somewhere in the process of being cuffed, I had a knee on my neck.”

As protesters cried out – some with blood dripping down their faces – the police began to arrest them. They forced people to sit on the street with their hands zip-tied behind their backs, at times so tight that their hands went numb. Clearly identified medics and legal observers were among those targeted, as police beat a number of them, detained them and obstructed their work.

Ambulances eventually arrived, and a medic who was zip-tied at the time said that he saw at least three people carried away on stretchers: “[They were] handcuffed to the stretchers, with head bandages, visibly bleeding from the bandage.”

The protest in Mott Haven was one of hundreds that broke out across New York City and the wider United States following the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota on May 25. Floyd’s was the latest in a series of high-profile killings of unarmed Black people by police in the country. Law enforcement officers across the United States responded to many of these largely peaceful protests with violence, excessive force, and abuse. They beat up protesters, conducted mass arrests, and fired teargas, pepper spray, stun grenades, and rubber bullets to disperse and discourage protests.

This report is based on interviews or written accounts from 81 people who participated in the Mott Haven protest, interviews with 19 other community members, lawyers, activists, and city officials, and analysis of 155 videos that were recorded during the protest. Human Rights Watch also reviewed legal documents and sent questions to the New York Police Department, the NYPD, which replied in part (see Annexes). The NYPD did not reply to a Human Rights Watch request to interview senior NYPD officials.

I’m not a fan of protests and haven’t been since the 1970s when I lived in San Francisco.  I was on my way home when I went by the hotel Nixon was staying at.  There were protestors and a line of SF Swat Guys off to the side.  I kind of hung around at the edge of the protestors to see what I could see.  In a blink of an eye that protest turned violent.  So I took off.  I lived on a hill and that was the fastest I ever went up that hill to get where I was living.  And I now stay far away from protests.

There is no excuse for police aggression at protests.

And there is no excuse for the protesters to trash people’s businesses and cars.

I understand that organizers of the protests, in most cases, condone violence at their protests.  But on some level they must know it could or will happen but apparently they don’t care enough because their cause is righteous.  

At a protests all who come are amped up.  The protestors because they are protesting against the ills of the world.  The police because they are outnumbered and history has shown that protests can turn violent.  Business owners because their businesses are often a target when protests turn violent. It creates a perfect storm for things to go terribly wrong.

I support a lot of issues people protest about but feel there is a better and safer way to enact lasting change and that is through the ballot box.  Although, thanks to trump, that might change.

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Wow. Ok, first of all, the right to peaceful protest is enshrined in the constitution. It’s not a matter of “they don’t care enough” to forgo protesting to prevent possible violence. No one can predict where/when violence will happen, particularly when it’s the cops who instigate it.

I’m sure you meant to say that in most cases, protest organizers *don’t* condone violence. But also, many protests happen organically and without real organization, so who’s to blame them when violence breaks out?

The GOP has already made enacting meaningful change at the ballot box impossible in many states. I know that’s hard to see from your lofty perch in Sonoma County or wherever. We cannot out-organize the criminal levels of gerrymandering and voter suppression that are taking place in many states.

Perhaps the people who do violence to black people and oppress millions of women and poor people through the ballot box should care a little more about the violence they may instigate with their actions. People have been provoked. If Kyle Rittenhouse is entitled to self defense, then so are the people currently being screwed by the Republicans.

Greetings from my lofty perch in Sonoma County.  

Just because something is in the constitution doesn’t mean that it should be done.  Especially when it is not producing needed results.  In today’s United States protests = violence.  And they have done very little to change how people think. It’s a simple fact.

What I want is real change.  I’m sick and tired of this country not being able to solve the problems that have been going on forever it seems.

And from my lofty perch in Sonoma County it hit me what we, as a country, must do to enact real lasting chance in this country and that is to vote.  And an informed vote, not just showing up and checking boxes.  Although showing up is a bit better then those who can’t be bothered to show up.

But the real problem is the voters themselves and how they vote.  Let’s take gerrymandering.  How did these individuals get in the position to create these maps?  By voters either directly or indirectly.  Same with the voting laws that are being passed.  These individuals that are creating these laws were put into place by voters.  

In another discussion you accused CA for some of Texas problems.  I wondered what did the state do.  Then I wondered if you knew a lot of those leaving CA and moving to Texas were Republicans.  

But the reality is a lot of problems in a particular state are created by the voters of that state and how they voted, that is if they even voted.  What is the average turnout for voting in an election?  50-65% is what I read.  Those who keep track of those things got real excited in the 2020 election when there was a 70% turnout.  That is not acceptable.

And no I don’t know how to enlighten voters so they get with the program.  

Even with all its problems I still believe the best way to enact change is by voting.  Protests, IMO, do very little to change people’s minds.  But they do, on more then a few occasions, damage businesses who don’t deserve that kind of collateral damage caused by protests.  Violence is never the answer

So we are going to disagree.  Not the first time, probably won’t be the last time either.

Signing off from my Sonoma County perch!

How do you teach about the civil rights movement without mentioning systematic racism or white privilege?  Some recent laws specifically ban mention of them.

Greetings from my lofty perch in Sonoma County.  

Just because something is in the constitution doesn’t mean that it should be done.  Especially when it is not producing needed results.  In today’s United States protests = violence.  And they have done very little to change how people think. It’s a simple fact.

What I want is real change.  I’m sick and tired of this country not being able to solve the problems that have been going on forever it seems.

And from my lofty perch in Sonoma County it hit me what we, as a country, must do to enact real lasting chance in this country and that is to vote.  And an informed vote, not just showing up and checking boxes.  Although showing up is a bit better then those who can’t be bothered to show up.

But the real problem is the voters themselves and how they vote.  Let’s take gerrymandering.  How did these individuals get in the position to create these maps?  By voters either directly or indirectly.  Same with the voting laws that are being passed.  These individuals that are creating these laws were put into place by voters.  

In another discussion you accused CA for some of Texas problems.  I wondered what did the state do.  Then I wondered if you knew a lot of those leaving CA and moving to Texas were Republicans.  

But the reality is a lot of problems in a particular state are created by the voters of that state and how they voted, that is if they even voted.  What is the average turnout for voting in an election?  50-65% is what I read.  Those who keep track of those things got real excited in the 2020 election when there was a 70% turnout.  That is not acceptable.

And no I don’t know how to enlighten voters so they get with the program.  

Even with all its problems I still believe the best way to enact change is by voting.  Protests, IMO, do very little to change people’s minds.  But they do, on more then a few occasions, damage businesses who don’t deserve that kind of collateral damage caused by protests.  Violence is never the answer

So we are going to disagree.  Not the first time, probably won’t be the last time either.

Signing off from my Sonoma County perch!

Some things require more urgency than waiting around to the next time to vote cross your fingers hope and pray. Especially concerning human rights. When it's you and yours (general) things become more urgent. If your family/loved ones were in danger or not given same rights as others would you (again general) be so patient to try again next time with voting?

I don't condone violence but majority of protests are peaceful. Are male blacks treated better than then? Hard to measure. But I'd hope that we learn more every time. More people become enlightened than if we just crossed or fingers and vote.

Maybe human nature dictates that some things be IN YOUR FACE to wake up and smell the roses. Otherwise it's too easy to go about same ole same ole in our little bubbles. Voting won't help if more people aren't shook awake and made more aware of things not directly affecting them. Just my opion.

Problem is onelasttime that IMO voting doesn't seem to always help and/or matter.  You can vote the "right" people, or acutally the better of the choices, and as you know they don't always vote in our best interest or for what we need or want.  They don't hear us that way, and it's a long haul in between voting these people in and out.  Lather, rinse, repeat.   Sometimes louder, outdoor voices need to be used to be heard. and speed things along from the snails pace between votes.