luckyexwife
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,069
Jun 25, 2014 21:21:08 GMT
|
Post by luckyexwife on Nov 11, 2021 19:14:48 GMT
The result wouldn’t be different with a different judge. People are basing feelings and opinions on the whole of the story, but the story is very different from the actual narrow legal question that is being adjudicated at trial. At trial, it doesn’t matter why he went there. It doesn’t matter that he crossed state lines. It doesn’t matter why he had the weapon. Literally all that matters is did he reasonably believe that he was in danger at that moment and the clear answer is yes. Now clearly, when people are forming their opinions they’re going to argue that he wouldn’t have been in danger if he hadn’t put himself in that situation, but in this trial, that doesn’t matter. For this case, is crossing state lines with a weapon against the law? Could he have charges related to that?
|
|
anonaname
Full Member
Posts: 256
Aug 18, 2021 0:04:22 GMT
|
Post by anonaname on Nov 11, 2021 19:52:39 GMT
Nope. As tfg used to like to say 'WRONG!'
As to this case, he's a young white man, raised to believe his way is the right way. Always.
Nice obfuscation. Maybe include the entire quote next time. edited >>>>did you just delete your comment? LOL!
|
|
sweetpeasmom
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 2,707
Jun 27, 2014 14:04:01 GMT
|
Post by sweetpeasmom on Nov 11, 2021 20:44:19 GMT
At the end of the day, it does not matter if you agree with Kyle being there that night. It does not matter if you agree with him having the gun. It does not matter why he went there. What matters is does the state prove their case? Was it self-defense or murder?
I watched the Casey Anthony trial. I have no doubt she killed her child. However, at the end of the day, I knew that the state did not prove their case. And she walked.
Same with George Zimmerman. Doesn't matter if you felt he did not act in self defense. Did the state prove their case of murder? No, at least not according to the jury.
I've watched bits and pieces of the trial the last few days. The prosecution is royally screwing their case up.
|
|
|
Post by cbet on Nov 11, 2021 21:00:46 GMT
When all is said and done, can the families of those he killed file civil lawsuits against Rittenhouse, the person who purchased the gun for him and the person who drove him to Kenosha? If he's going to be found not guilty, and it certainly looks like he will, at least it would cost him something.
|
|
|
Post by sideways on Nov 11, 2021 21:27:15 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 24, 2024 7:46:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 21:58:00 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards.
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 24, 2024 7:46:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2021 22:00:27 GMT
The result wouldn’t be different with a different judge. People are basing feelings and opinions on the whole of the story, but the story is very different from the actual narrow legal question that is being adjudicated at trial. At trial, it doesn’t matter why he went there. It doesn’t matter that he crossed state lines. It doesn’t matter why he had the weapon. Literally all that matters is did he reasonably believe that he was in danger at that moment and the clear answer is yes. Now clearly, when people are forming their opinions they’re going to argue that he wouldn’t have been in danger if he hadn’t put himself in that situation, but in this trial, that doesn’t matter. For this case, is crossing state lines with a weapon against the law? Could he have charges related to that? Could he face charges for the gun? Certainly. But that is not going to bring a conviction for the murder charges against him.
|
|
|
Post by Bridget in MD on Nov 11, 2021 22:06:15 GMT
This whole trial is a joke and a waste of taxpayers money. Its making me sick.
|
|
|
Post by maryland on Nov 11, 2021 22:07:41 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards. That was so fake! You could tell he didn't feel bad at all.
My husband says whenever he sees a picture of Rittenhouse, he thinks of Kim Jung-un. He thinks he looks somewhat like him.
|
|
anonaname
Full Member
Posts: 256
Aug 18, 2021 0:04:22 GMT
|
Post by anonaname on Nov 11, 2021 22:22:21 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards. Clearly you've never seen an actual panic attack. Try watching the video with more context.
|
|
anonaname
Full Member
Posts: 256
Aug 18, 2021 0:04:22 GMT
|
Post by anonaname on Nov 11, 2021 22:27:02 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards. That was so fake! You could tell he didn't feel bad at all.
My husband says whenever he sees a picture of Rittenhouse, he thinks of Kim Jung-un. He thinks he looks somewhat like him.
|
|
cycworker
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,409
Jun 26, 2014 0:42:38 GMT
|
Post by cycworker on Nov 11, 2021 22:28:30 GMT
Nope. Just the clips are driving me crazy. This judge is the worst.
|
|
cycworker
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,409
Jun 26, 2014 0:42:38 GMT
|
Post by cycworker on Nov 11, 2021 22:30:09 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards. I was thinking more along the lines of a Razzie for worst actor.
|
|
cycworker
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,409
Jun 26, 2014 0:42:38 GMT
|
Post by cycworker on Nov 11, 2021 22:33:48 GMT
That was so fake! You could tell he didn't feel bad at all.
My husband says whenever he sees a picture of Rittenhouse, he thinks of Kim Jung-un. He thinks he looks somewhat like him. Bull.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a racist punk who wanted to play God. He fooled around & he's hopefully gonna find out. To answer a question above, yes I think he, and others who helped him, can be sued. And I read that there is even a possibility of federal charges. Here's hoping.
|
|
anonaname
Full Member
Posts: 256
Aug 18, 2021 0:04:22 GMT
|
Post by anonaname on Nov 11, 2021 22:40:12 GMT
Bull.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a racist punk who wanted to play God. He fooled around & he's hopefully gonna find out. To answer a question above, yes I think he, and others who helped him, can be sued. And I read that there is even a possibility of federal charges. Here's hoping. "What’s True — and False — About the Victims’ Criminal Histories The viral claims alleging unlawful behavior by Huber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz before the Kenosha shooting were a mixture of truth and falsehoods. For example, yes, at age 19, Rosenbaum was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing five children — all boys between the ages of 9 and 11 — in Arizona’s Pima County in early 2002, according to his case file obtained via a public records request by Snopes. The documents said Rosenbaum was temporarily living with the boys’ parents after his mother had kicked him out for disobeying her rules about one month earlier. Over the course of his weeks-long stay, Rosenbaum molested the boys, showed them porn, and performed oral sex on them, among other offenses, the documents showed. He was sentenced to prison for roughly 15 years, and authorities believed at the time “his risk to recidivate being of great concern to the community” considering the victims’ gender and age. (Let us note here: The records included an interview with Rosenbaum in which he said his stepfather sexually abused him and his brother on an almost daily basis when he was a preteen.) Considering that evidence, the claim that Rosenbaum at one point was convicted of sexually abusing at least one child before his death was true. Next, we analyzed criminal records involving Huber, and determined it also accurate to state he was charged with domestic abuse. We uncovered a Kenosha County criminal complaint that outlined his first serious run-in with law enforcement, in December 2012. And per that complaint, Huber, who was 18 years old at the time, threatened his brother and grandmother at their home with a knife, choked the brother, and demanded that they follow his orders. The complaint said the brother wanted to take Huber to a hospital, apparently for emergency mental health help, but Huber resisted. In the end, he was charged with strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment, both of which are felony crimes. On another occasion, about three years later, Huber paid a roughly $150 citation or possessing drug paraphernalia, court records showed. Then, in 2018, Huber was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor offense, after a fight with his sister at their house, per a criminal complaint by Kenosha prosecutors. But unlike what many Rittenhouse supporters claimed, we could find no court evidence that Huber had sexually assaulted anyone. Also false was the assertion that all three of the teenager’s victims were felons. Grosskreutz had not committed a felony crime, our analysis of court records showed. He was, however, found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons — a misdemeanor offense — per Milwaukee County court records. He had apparently gone somewhere “armed while intoxicated,” though the court records did not elaborate on what exactly had happened. Snopes requested a copy of the probable cause statement from county records administrators, but we have not yet obtained it. Additionally, Grosskreutz at various points received tickets for minor offenses including disobeying police officers and making loud noises, the court records showed. However, no evidence showed he had indeed committed burglary, like supporters of the alleged killer claimed, though he had been arrested on suspicion of the crime in 2012. The felony charge was later dismissed, per Wisconsin Department of Justice’s criminal data. In the interview with CNN, Grosskreutz said he has paid his debt for his past crimes and that he had every right to carry a gun at the Aug. 25 protest. “I’m not a felon,” he said. “I had a legal right to possess and to possess it concealed.” www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/
|
|
cycworker
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,409
Jun 26, 2014 0:42:38 GMT
|
Post by cycworker on Nov 11, 2021 22:45:42 GMT
anonaname - don't care. Rittenhouse is a punk, a white supremacist menace, he's guilty, and if they let him walk, he's likely to eventually become Derek Chauvin.
|
|
|
Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 11, 2021 22:54:12 GMT
Bull.
Kyle Rittenhouse is a racist punk who wanted to play God. He fooled around & he's hopefully gonna find out. To answer a question above, yes I think he, and others who helped him, can be sued. And I read that there is even a possibility of federal charges. Here's hoping. "What’s True — and False — About the Victims’ Criminal Histories The viral claims alleging unlawful behavior by Huber, Rosenbaum, and Grosskreutz before the Kenosha shooting were a mixture of truth and falsehoods. For example, yes, at age 19, Rosenbaum was sentenced to prison for sexually abusing five children — all boys between the ages of 9 and 11 — in Arizona’s Pima County in early 2002, according to his case file obtained via a public records request by Snopes. The documents said Rosenbaum was temporarily living with the boys’ parents after his mother had kicked him out for disobeying her rules about one month earlier. Over the course of his weeks-long stay, Rosenbaum molested the boys, showed them porn, and performed oral sex on them, among other offenses, the documents showed. He was sentenced to prison for roughly 15 years, and authorities believed at the time “his risk to recidivate being of great concern to the community” considering the victims’ gender and age. (Let us note here: The records included an interview with Rosenbaum in which he said his stepfather sexually abused him and his brother on an almost daily basis when he was a preteen.) Considering that evidence, the claim that Rosenbaum at one point was convicted of sexually abusing at least one child before his death was true. Next, we analyzed criminal records involving Huber, and determined it also accurate to state he was charged with domestic abuse. We uncovered a Kenosha County criminal complaint that outlined his first serious run-in with law enforcement, in December 2012. And per that complaint, Huber, who was 18 years old at the time, threatened his brother and grandmother at their home with a knife, choked the brother, and demanded that they follow his orders. The complaint said the brother wanted to take Huber to a hospital, apparently for emergency mental health help, but Huber resisted. In the end, he was charged with strangulation and suffocation and false imprisonment, both of which are felony crimes. On another occasion, about three years later, Huber paid a roughly $150 citation or possessing drug paraphernalia, court records showed. Then, in 2018, Huber was charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor offense, after a fight with his sister at their house, per a criminal complaint by Kenosha prosecutors. But unlike what many Rittenhouse supporters claimed, we could find no court evidence that Huber had sexually assaulted anyone. Also false was the assertion that all three of the teenager’s victims were felons. Grosskreutz had not committed a felony crime, our analysis of court records showed. He was, however, found guilty in 2016 of breaking Wisconsin’s law governing the use of dangerous weapons — a misdemeanor offense — per Milwaukee County court records. He had apparently gone somewhere “armed while intoxicated,” though the court records did not elaborate on what exactly had happened. Snopes requested a copy of the probable cause statement from county records administrators, but we have not yet obtained it. Additionally, Grosskreutz at various points received tickets for minor offenses including disobeying police officers and making loud noises, the court records showed. However, no evidence showed he had indeed committed burglary, like supporters of the alleged killer claimed, though he had been arrested on suspicion of the crime in 2012. The felony charge was later dismissed, per Wisconsin Department of Justice’s criminal data. In the interview with CNN, Grosskreutz said he has paid his debt for his past crimes and that he had every right to carry a gun at the Aug. 25 protest. “I’m not a felon,” he said. “I had a legal right to possess and to possess it concealed.” www.snopes.com/news/2020/09/11/rittenhouse-victims-records/Nothing about the victims makes me feel any better about Kyle Rittenhouse. Perhaps they are all idiots assholes. But that doesn't mean what he did was ok. We do not need people walking around with AR-15's, especially 17 year old's who lie about being a paramedic and think they are going to be a hero for doing so.
|
|
|
Post by librarylady on Nov 11, 2021 23:10:29 GMT
He is a sniveling little punk ass. When he was crying, all I could think was who's the tough guy now that you don't have your Ar-15. His mouth was crying but his eyes were not. That was an act, IMO.
|
|
|
Post by librarylady on Nov 11, 2021 23:22:18 GMT
|
|
|
Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 0:09:26 GMT
Kyle Rittenhouse is a racist punk who wanted to play God. Where does the racism come in? What has he done that makes you think he's a racist?
|
|
|
Post by myshelly on Nov 12, 2021 0:39:22 GMT
anonaname - don't care. Rittenhouse is a punk, a white supremacist menace, he's guilty, and if they let him walk, he's likely to eventually become Derek Chauvin. This is the opposite of talking intelligently about the trial. He isn’t on trial for being a punk. That’s not illegal. He isn’t on trial for being a white supremacist. That isn’t illegal. He’s guilty of what? Have you actually watched the actual video of what he did and seen the evidence presented at trial? If not, then how can you say he’s guilty?
|
|
sassyangel
Drama Llama
Posts: 7,456
Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
|
Post by sassyangel on Nov 12, 2021 1:32:00 GMT
I think video of him blubbering on the stand should be submitted to the Academy Awards. Damn fine example of sociopath crocodile tears.
|
|
|
Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2021 2:48:24 GMT
I think the judge is bias. The prosecuter unprepared. The jury has gotten a raw deal, I that they have not gotten all the facts from either side. Rittenhouse is a punk, but that does not make him guilty or innocent. Whatever the verdict is, people will not be pleased.
Poorly handled all the way around. To me it felt like a local two-bit traffic court.
|
|
|
Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 3:52:33 GMT
The prosecuting attorney needs to be disbarred for trying to get a witness to change his statement.
|
|
|
Post by pixiechick on Nov 12, 2021 4:02:35 GMT
Unfuckingbelievable
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 24, 2024 7:46:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 5:23:05 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Posts: 0
Nov 24, 2024 7:46:06 GMT
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 5:26:08 GMT
|
|
|
Post by arielsmom on Nov 12, 2021 6:07:22 GMT
Kyle Rittenhouse is a racist punk who wanted to play God. Where does the racism come in? What has he done that makes you think he's a racist? The day he was released from jail, he and his mom went to a local watering hole. There were pictures of this 18 yo, posing with known white supremists, while drinking. Usually there are pretty strong restrictions when you are out on bail. Along with maybe using some common sense, which the mom may be lacking. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-out-bail-flashed-white-power-signs-bar-prosecutors-n1254250
|
|
|
Post by sideways on Nov 12, 2021 8:14:23 GMT
Clearly you've never seen an actual panic attack. Try watching the video with more context. Clearly, you’ve never seen someone start to cry. What he did…ain’t it. But keep trying to excuse a murderer. You trumpy cultists are the worst kind of disgusting. Just horrible people.
|
|
|
Post by peasapie on Nov 12, 2021 11:46:05 GMT
At the end of the day, it does not matter if you agree with Kyle being there that night. It does not matter if you agree with him having the gun. It does not matter why he went there. What matters is does the state prove their case? Was it self-defense or murder?
I watched the Casey Anthony trial. I have no doubt she killed her child. However, at the end of the day, I knew that the state did not prove their case. And she walked.
Same with George Zimmerman. Doesn't matter if you felt he did not act in self defense. Did the state prove their case of murder? No, at least not according to the jury.
I've watched bits and pieces of the trial the last few days. The prosecution is royally screwing their case up.
I agree prosecution did not do a good job. I did hear attorneys on news saying his intent (why he went there) does matter. We shall soon see. Either way, white supremacists will spin this to their advantage. As they do.
|
|