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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 12:51:08 GMT
The fact that he will go free only serves to illustrate what a sham our “justice” system is.
The fact that some people will cheer when he does only serves to illustrate how sick our society has become.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 12, 2021 13:35:58 GMT
I think the prosecutor made a good point in the cross examination when he asked why Rittenhouse thought the victim was a threat to him because of his gun, but Rittenhouse didn't think that he was a threat to the victim even though he had an AR-15 pointed at him and had just shot someone. I think that highlights a big problem we have--people think that they need to protect themselves from people with a gun, but at what point do they realize that they are also PEOPLE WITH GUNS!! Him being there with an AR-15 makes him an aggressor in my book. I personally would avoid him at all costs, but others seem to think like him and engage. To me, this is just another example of why we need stronger gun laws for the whole country. You can see similar thinking in the Ahmaud Arbery case. The killers stated that they "thought" he might be armed, although that didn't deter them and make them think, "Hey, maybe we should let the police handle this." Nope. They felt they were being threatened and justified their killing him even though he was unarmed, there were three of them, they had a car and he didn't, etc. He was no threat to them. But...guns.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 12, 2021 14:54:59 GMT
I don’t think anyone disputes that he *is* a racist. That’s not the issue. The issue is what does that have to do with his trial? He’s not on trial for being a racist. You can’t convict him because he’s racist. That’s not illegal.
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Post by maryannscraps on Nov 12, 2021 15:08:03 GMT
I don't think he feared for his life. I think he was thrilled that he could shoot someone. I didn't believe a word he said.
And it doesn't matter what his victims were-- I can hate them too, but being murdered by a 17 year old out looking for victims isn't justice. And Rittenhouse didn't know their history. Their prior offenses are irrelevant.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 15:08:21 GMT
Under Wisconsin law, can self defense be proved if the perpetrator was in the commission of a crime? He was carrying a weapon illegally. He took it across state lines. The fact that those things are crimes would negate any self defense claims in some states, but I don't know about Wisconsin.
It seems to me that if a person committing a crime can argue self defense, a person who breaks into your house and shoots you while you have a gun pointed at him could argue the same. That doesn't make sense.
To my way of thinking, this is one of the primary problems with open carry laws. There is no way to know who is carrying a gun with the intention of killing you with it, and by the time they've pointed it at you, it's too late for you to do anything about it. But we're all just supposed to go around like that guy outside HEB with an AR-15 is just another harmless citizen grocery shopping.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 12, 2021 15:13:28 GMT
Under Wisconsin law, can self defense be proved if the perpetrator was in the commission of a crime? He was carrying a weapon illegally. He took it across state lines. The fact that those things are crimes would negate any self defense claims in some states, but I don't know about Wisconsin. It seems to me that if a person committing a crime can argue self defense, a person who breaks into your house and shoots you while you have a gun pointed at him could argue the same. That doesn't make sense. I don’t believe he actually carried the weapon across state lines. Illinois conducted an investigation and concluded the weapon was only ever in Wisconsin. That’s why he didn’t face any weapons charges in Illinois. The whole carried a gun across state lines thing is part of the media narrative, not something that has been proven in any investigation or court. The weapons charge he does face (for minor in possession) is a misdemeanor, so the felony murder rule doesn’t apply/preclude self defense the way it would in your breaking into someone’s house example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2021 15:51:25 GMT
Under Wisconsin law, can self defense be proved if the perpetrator was in the commission of a crime? He was carrying a weapon illegally. He took it across state lines. The fact that those things are crimes would negate any self defense claims in some states, but I don't know about Wisconsin. It seems to me that if a person committing a crime can argue self defense, a person who breaks into your house and shoots you while you have a gun pointed at him could argue the same. That doesn't make sense. When we all carry guns (the right wing's wet dream) then we can all kill whoever we please and we can all claim "fear for our lives" and "self defense". Glory!
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 15:52:31 GMT
Under Wisconsin law, can self defense be proved if the perpetrator was in the commission of a crime? He was carrying a weapon illegally. He took it across state lines. The fact that those things are crimes would negate any self defense claims in some states, but I don't know about Wisconsin. It seems to me that if a person committing a crime can argue self defense, a person who breaks into your house and shoots you while you have a gun pointed at him could argue the same. That doesn't make sense. I don’t believe he actually carried the weapon across state lines. Illinois conducted an investigation and concluded the weapon was only ever in Wisconsin. That’s why he didn’t face any weapons charges in Illinois. The whole carried a gun across state lines thing is part of the media narrative, not something that has been proven in any investigation or court. The weapons charge he does face (for minor in possession) is a misdemeanor, so the felony murder rule doesn’t apply/preclude self defense the way it would in your breaking into someone’s house example. Hmmm. I haven't been following it that closely. What is their theory for how he got the weapon in Wisconsin if he didn't bring it from Illinois?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 12, 2021 15:55:10 GMT
I believe that they said he got the weapon from his friend who lives in Wisconsin.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 12, 2021 16:17:50 GMT
I don’t believe he actually carried the weapon across state lines. Illinois conducted an investigation and concluded the weapon was only ever in Wisconsin. That’s why he didn’t face any weapons charges in Illinois. The whole carried a gun across state lines thing is part of the media narrative, not something that has been proven in any investigation or court. The weapons charge he does face (for minor in possession) is a misdemeanor, so the felony murder rule doesn’t apply/preclude self defense the way it would in your breaking into someone’s house example. Hmmm. I haven't been following it that closely. What is their theory for how he got the weapon in Wisconsin if he didn't bring it from Illinois? Whose “theory”? Both Wisconsin and Illinois police and prosecutors concluded that the gun was purchased in Wisconsin, stored in Wisconsin, and used in Wisconsin. No one is disputing those facts, so it’s not a theory.
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 12, 2021 16:18:18 GMT
I don’t believe he actually carried the weapon across state lines. Illinois conducted an investigation and concluded the weapon was only ever in Wisconsin. That’s why he didn’t face any weapons charges in Illinois. The whole carried a gun across state lines thing is part of the media narrative, not something that has been proven in any investigation or court. The weapons charge he does face (for minor in possession) is a misdemeanor, so the felony murder rule doesn’t apply/preclude self defense the way it would in your breaking into someone’s house example. Hmmm. I haven't been following it that closely. What is their theory for how he got the weapon in Wisconsin if he didn't bring it from Illinois? From what I remember, he said he drove himself to friend's house where the gun was kept. The friend lived in Kenosha. ETA: His friend bought the AR-15 for Rittenhouse, but because Rittenhouse was to young to own it, the friend kept the rifle at his step-father's house in Kenosha.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 16:21:41 GMT
Hmmm. I haven't been following it that closely. What is their theory for how he got the weapon in Wisconsin if he didn't bring it from Illinois? From what I remember, he said he drove himself to friend's house where the gun was kept. The friend lived in Kenosha. What a world we live in when a person can provide a weapon of war to a minor who plans a vigilante trip through town, and it's all perfectly legal.
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 12, 2021 16:29:19 GMT
From what I remember, he said he drove himself to friend's house where the gun was kept. The friend lived in Kenosha. What a world we live in when a person can provide a weapon of war to a minor who plans a vigilante trip through town, and it's all perfectly legal. It's not legal. The friend is facing charges. And Rittenhouse was driving with out a driver's licenses.
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Post by myshelly on Nov 12, 2021 16:37:49 GMT
From what I remember, he said he drove himself to friend's house where the gun was kept. The friend lived in Kenosha. What a world we live in when a person can provide a weapon of war to a minor who plans a vigilante trip through town, and it's all perfectly legal. The friend who provided the weapon is facing charges and testified for the prosecution during the trial in the hopes of a deal for a lighter sentence. This is kind of proving my feeling that the people who have strong feelings about the case are the ones not following the trial. They’re getting their opinions from the media. That’s a huge part of the problem.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 16:45:32 GMT
What a world we live in when a person can provide a weapon of war to a minor who plans a vigilante trip through town, and it's all perfectly legal. The friend who provided the weapon is facing charges and testified for the prosecution during the trial in the hopes of a deal for a lighter sentence. This is kind of proving my feeling that the people who have strong feelings about the case are the ones not following the trial. They’re getting their opinions from the media. That’s a huge part of the problem. It probably would be if my opinions had any bearing at all on the outcome of the trial. It’s not like I’m going around telling people that the covid vaccine is poison.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 16:49:56 GMT
anonaname - don't care. Rittenhouse is a punk, a white supremacist menace, he's guilty, and if they let him walk, he's likely to eventually become Derek Chauvin. So you are now judge and jury. You think he will turn into Chauvin so it must be so, let's string him up even though the evidence is pointing to self-defense. You've turned this into a sporting event and you are going to root for your team come hell or highwater! You are actually as bad as you think he is, you don't even see how warped your thinking is.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 12, 2021 16:50:35 GMT
There is something terrifyingly wrong with a country where someone who does what Kyle Rittenhouse did, is considered a victim and is then heroized by a decent amount of people, some of them prominent and/or elected officials.
It is one thing to think that he made some really bad choices and that he still *might* have somehow acted in self defense. It is quite another to lionize and defend it. 😨😵💫
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 16:51:18 GMT
anonaname - don't care. Rittenhouse is a punk, a white supremacist menace, he's guilty, and if they let him walk, he's likely to eventually become Derek Chauvin. So you are now judge and jury. You think he will turn into Chauvin so it must be so, let's string him up even though the evidence is pointing to self-defense. You've turned this into a sporting event and you are going to root for your team come hell or highwater! You are actually as bad as you think he is, you don't even see how warped your thinking is. Rittenhouse made himself judge, jury, and executioner when he decided to appoint himself an armed vigilante protector of other people's property. But that's all totes cool with you.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 16:52:17 GMT
Clearly you've never seen an actual panic attack. Try watching the video with more context. Clearly, you’ve never seen someone start to cry. What he did…ain’t it. But keep trying to excuse a murderer. You trumpy cultists are the worst kind of disgusting. Just horrible people. You talk about cultists, lol. Have you prayed at Lord Fauci's alter today? "Please, Father Fauci! SAVE US from natural immunity!" You know there is talk of a 4th shot, I bet you'll be first in line.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 16:56:09 GMT
Clearly, you’ve never seen someone start to cry. What he did…ain’t it. But keep trying to excuse a murderer. You trumpy cultists are the worst kind of disgusting. Just horrible people. You talk about cultists, lol. Have you prayed at Lord Fauci's alter today? "Please, Father Fauci! SAVE US from natural immunity!" You know there is talk of a 4th shot, I bet you'll be first in line. I heard the 4th shot comes with a check from George Soros. You'll definitely want to avoid that. (People get a flu shot every year, brain trust. I've had one every year since 2008. You know what I've never had? The freaking flu. Not once in all the years I've been teaching. It's a government plot, I tell you!)
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Post by rodeomom on Nov 12, 2021 17:05:36 GMT
What is also really scary to me is the radicalization of this 17 years old.
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 12, 2021 17:06:55 GMT
What is also really scary to me is the radicalization of this 17 years old. Yes. And the amount of people applauding and defending it.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 17:07:56 GMT
You talk about cultists, lol. Have you prayed at Lord Fauci's alter today? "Please, Father Fauci! SAVE US from natural immunity!" You know there is talk of a 4th shot, I bet you'll be first in line. I heard the 4th shot comes with a check from George Soros. You'll definitely want to avoid that. (People get a flu shot every year, brain trust. I've had one every year since 2008. You know what I've never had? The freaking flu. Not once in all the years I've been teaching. It's a government plot, I tell you!) You're mistaking correlation for causation. I've had the flu shot exactly once in my life. Can you guess when it was? If you said "about shortly after you got your first flu shot" then you'd be right! I've never been that sick before or since. It's been over 20 years. edited>>>>Also, this is the first time mRNA technology has been used. Ever. The flu shot has decades of data behind it so even when they change the formula they aren't recreating the wheel, the data still applies.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 17:10:04 GMT
I heard the 4th shot comes with a check from George Soros. You'll definitely want to avoid that. (People get a flu shot every year, brain trust. I've had one every year since 2008. You know what I've never had? The freaking flu. Not once in all the years I've been teaching. It's a government plot, I tell you!) You're mistaking correlation for causation. I've had the flu shot exactly once in my life. Can you guess when it was? If you said "about shortly after you got your first flu shot" then you'd be right! I've never been that sick before or since. It's been over 20 years. Oh, you're one of those. So what do you expect will happen to me from 13 years of flu shots? Am I going to grow an extra limb? Turn green and sprout gills? Will you be able to say it was correlated to all those flu shots, or caused by them? Oh wait ... maybe that's why I'm liberal! The flu shot turned me into a lib! Holy crap! It had nothing at all to do with watching the GOP destroy my country since the 80s and seeing the descent into anti-science cult madness that produced people like you. Nope, it was totally that flu shot.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 17:12:49 GMT
You're mistaking correlation for causation. I've had the flu shot exactly once in my life. Can you guess when it was? If you said "about shortly after you got your first flu shot" then you'd be right! I've never been that sick before or since. It's been over 20 years. Oh, you're one of those. So what do you expect will happen to me from 13 years of flu shots? Am I going to grow an extra limb? Turn green and sprout gills? Will you be able to say it was correlated to all those flu shots, or caused by them? Oh wait ... maybe that's why I'm liberal! The flu shot turned me into a lib! Holy crap! You know, when you point your finger at me you've got three others pointing back at yourself. You might want to think on that.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 17:14:53 GMT
Oh, you're one of those. So what do you expect will happen to me from 13 years of flu shots? Am I going to grow an extra limb? Turn green and sprout gills? Will you be able to say it was correlated to all those flu shots, or caused by them? Oh wait ... maybe that's why I'm liberal! The flu shot turned me into a lib! Holy crap! You know, when you point your finger at me you've got three others pointing back at yourself. You might want to think on that. Wait, what? I've got three extra fingers? Must be the flu shot! Or the Covid vaccine! Who knows?!? Let's go Brandon?!?!?
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 12, 2021 17:21:27 GMT
You talk about cultists, lol. Have you prayed at Lord Fauci's alter today? "Please, Father Fauci! SAVE US from natural immunity!" You know there is talk of a 4th shot, I bet you'll be first in line. I heard the 4th shot comes with a check from George Soros. You'll definitely want to avoid that. (People get a flu shot every year, brain trust. I've had one every year since 2008. You know what I've never had? The freaking flu. Not once in all the years I've been teaching. It's a government plot, I tell you!) I don’t quite get the objection/teeth gnashing over boosters being required for this. These people have clearly never seen the boosters schedule required for childhood vaccinations. There are more vaccinations that historically utilize boosters to build maximum efficacy, than don’t. This is not a new thing.
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Post by anonaname on Nov 12, 2021 17:22:21 GMT
You know, when you point your finger at me you've got three others pointing back at yourself. You might want to think on that. Wait, what? I've got three extra fingers? Must be the flu shot! Or the Covid vaccine! Who knows?!? Let's go Brandon?!?!?
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 17:24:34 GMT
I heard the 4th shot comes with a check from George Soros. You'll definitely want to avoid that. (People get a flu shot every year, brain trust. I've had one every year since 2008. You know what I've never had? The freaking flu. Not once in all the years I've been teaching. It's a government plot, I tell you!) I don’t quite get the objection/teeth gnashing over boosters being required for this. These people have clearly never seen the boosters schedule required for childhood vaccinations. There are more vaccinations that historically utilize boosters to build maximum efficacy, than don’t. This is not a new thing. It's a plot! Apparently we're all supposed to believe now that vaccine efficacy is only evidence of correlation, not causation. It's just dumb luck that none of our kids died of the measles, I guess.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2021 17:25:21 GMT
Wait, what? I've got three extra fingers? Must be the flu shot! Or the Covid vaccine! Who knows?!? Let's go Brandon?!?!? Here's some light reading for you RE: mRNA technology never, ever being used before. Ever. Let me know if you have trouble with any of the big words. the-dna-universe.com/2021/04/15/the-history-of-mrna-applications/
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