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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2021 7:30:09 GMT
Again so many falsehoods, partial truths, spin and exaggeration. Not a lot of actual evidence. When have Biden and Harris ever publicly criticized or blamed each other during his presidency? She is not solely responsible for problems at the border. Nor is this administration solely responsible. Every administration, including the Obama one kicked the can down the road and Congress has failed to pass any immigration laws. President Obama, to his credit, did create DACA but it was only intended as a temporary measure until Congress could pass the Dream Act or something similar. Many of the current problems are a direct result of the previous administration, including the cancelation of critical aid to Central American countries and a failure to plan for a surge of migrants in the spring. Going to the border does not solve the problem, it's just a photo op for Republicans. This administration and the VP are not solely responsible for Afghanistan. VP Harris was the last person in the room when the decision was made to withdraw from Afghanistan back in April. The decision was one they were forced into by the previous administration. Some of the Americans in Afghanistan are not ready to come to the US. The US Embassy is continuing to work on getting people out, they have not abandoned anyone. When have Biden and Harris ever publicly criticized or blamed each other during his presidency? Again, read what I ACTUALLY wrote. I never said they PUBLICLY criticized each other. What I said was: You took the time to bold it and quote it, did you bother to read it? So aj2hall was right…you were just stating your opinion and feelings
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 7:32:02 GMT
I'm going to assume you're referring to the CNN article Don't assume. Read. According to CNN her office is a dysfunctional operation. That certainly speaks to not doing the job very well. Nope. We were talking about blaming each other for failures. Your sentence about failures said nothing about the CNN article. I didn't want to jump to conclusions. The CNN article mostly refers to disagreements among aides and staff. And nothing substantive. Show me exactly where they blame each other for failures. My point about office management still stands. Squabbling among their staff might show that they're not perfect office managers, but I don't think translates to them not being qualified or not doing a good job. The chaos and problems in the White House during the former administration were well documented. I don't recall that you ever called him out for it so your criticism now rings false. Blaming Democrats and failing to call out Republicans for the same thing again. Double standards.
Another deflection. We could do this all night but you don't have anything other than Republican talking points, ignoring questions and deflections.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 20, 2021 7:32:47 GMT
I'm going to assume you're referring to the CNN article Don't assume. Read. According to CNN her office is a dysfunctional operation. That certainly speaks to not doing the job very well. You assumed. CNN was as vague and ambiguous as you are being. They had no specifics either, just an opinion and no evidence..looks like nothing more than gossip.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 8:04:52 GMT
Specifically what meeting was it? Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas Today's High-Level Security Dialogue marks an important new phase in the US-Mexico security partnership. We will work together under a new framework to guide our joint efforts, and work toward our shared goals of security and prosperity for our two nations. 12:27 PM · Oct 8, 2021·Twitter Web App Her not being at this important meeting when she's tasked with border security, doesn't look like someone doing a good job. I’m curious, was there a due date to release her finds that she missed? A due date isn't the issue in looking like she's not doing a good job when she hasn't even mentioned it since she went almost 6 months ago. That's NOT a doing a good job. Just exactly how is going to the southern border for a photo op going to solve the complexity of the immigration problem facing this country? How can you solve a problem you refuse to even go look at? That's not doing a good job. Oh well the news media is the so called experts on this stuff so they must be correct. Well I wasn't there, but CNN is reporting it. Are you telling me NOW CNN is not reliable? Curious any specific examples or was it gossip from an unnamed source? You didn't have a problem with gossip from unnamed sources when it was about Trump. What are you babbling about? What open door policies that she supports snd what policies does she support that contribute to sex trafficking? The policies that encourage people to make the dangerous trek to the border. Like getting rid of the remain in Mexico policy. Like promising to house and feed them when they get here. Border crossers saying they waited for Biden's policies before they came across. Those things give a market to human traffickers. Those policies are putting women and children in danger. You do know that it’s Republicans pushing the lie that Democrats support open borders don’t you? Jeh Johson, Obama and other Democratic officials I don't remember at the moment are not Republican's pushing the lie. You do know the remaining Americans there are working to get their Afghan family members out don’t you? Leaked Email: Biden State Department Obstructed Private Rescue Flights From Afghanistan But before that happens these folks need to be interviewed/vetted by the State Department before they can be allowed into the United States. We don’t want to let any budding terrorist in. The Biden Administration inherited a backlog, I think of 17,000 of these interviews mainly because the trump administration had no intention of letting the Afghans into the country when he had planned to leave Afghanistan so they quit doing the interviews. I posted about it with the details on another thread. Then Biden should have done that BEFORE he pulled American protection out.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 8:19:33 GMT
Her absense at one meeting proves nothing.
In the day and age, how and why do you need to actually see the border with your own eyes? There's really nothing to gain from a personal visit, other than to satisfy Republicans, but they're still complaining. Always a moving target.
There are 150 books about Trump. Many people are on the record. You don't need unnamed sources to document the chaos of his administration.
What policies encourage people to try to cross the border? And where did the administration promise to house and feed them? I recall very specific statements from both VP Harris and Biden discouraging people.
Your evidence is the daily wire? You're going to have to try harder than a far right wing media source with a clear bias.
The State department can only work so fast, especially when former decimated their ranks. They were also hampered by let's see, a global pandemic and an agreement made by the previous administration with a deadline. 17,000 interviews is not a reasonable expectation or task given those parameters.
More vague assertions, Republican talking points, spin and deflections from you.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 8:28:55 GMT
Nope. We were talking about blaming each other for failures. Your sentence about failures said nothing about the CNN article. I didn't want to jump to conclusions. The CNN article mostly refers to disagreements among aides and staff. And nothing substantive. Show me exactly where they blame each other for failures. My point about office management still stands. Squabbling among their staff might show that they're not perfect office managers, but I don't think translates to them not being qualified or not doing a good job. The chaos and problems in the White House during the former administration were well documented. I don't recall that you ever called him out for it so your criticism now rings false. Blaming Democrats and failing to call out Republicans for the same thing again. Double standards.
Another deflection. We could do this all night but you don't have anything other than Republican talking points, ignoring questions and deflections. Nope. We were talking about blaming each other for failures. Your sentence about failures said nothing about the CNN article. I didn't want to jump to conclusions. You're right, I got the wrong quote. The CNN article mostly refers to disagreements among aides and staff. And nothing substantive. Show me exactly where they blame each other for failures. I said "She and Biden SEEM to be blaming each other for failures," You know what they say about the attitude coming from the top...
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 8:39:22 GMT
Her absense at one meeting proves nothing. It's not about proof. I was asked what I based my opinion on. It's MY opinion and that's how I got there. You can disagree with me, but it's still just my opinion. That's not the same as saying "this is a fact". Do you NOT understand what an opinion is? It's isn't about proof. In the day and age, how and why do you need to actually see the border with your own eyes? There's really nothing to gain from a personal visit, Then why bother going to the other border? What was gained from it? There are 150 books about Trump. Many people are on the record. You don't need unnamed sources to document the chaos of his administration. Trump is not the president. What policies encourage people to try to cross the border? And where did the administration promise to house and feed them? I recall very specific statements from both VP Harris and Biden discouraging people. I already stated some policies. And saying "don't come" is meaningless when your policies encourage otherwise. The State department can only work so fast, especially when former decimated their ranks. They were also hampered by let's see, a global pandemic and an agreement made by the previous administration with a deadline. 17,000 interviews is not a reasonable expectation or task given those parameters. That's why I said that Biden should have gotten this all done BEFORE he pulled out protective troops.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 20, 2021 12:23:34 GMT
Her absense at one meeting proves nothing. It's not about proof. I was asked what I based my opinion on. It's MY opinion and that's how I got there. You can disagree with me, but it's still just my opinion. That's not the same as saying "this is a fact". Do you NOT understand what an opinion is? It's isn't about proof. In the day and age, how and why do you need to actually see the border with your own eyes? There's really nothing to gain from a personal visit, Then why bother going to the other border? What was gained from it? There are 150 books about Trump. Many people are on the record. You don't need unnamed sources to document the chaos of his administration. Trump is not the president. What policies encourage people to try to cross the border? And where did the administration promise to house and feed them? I recall very specific statements from both VP Harris and Biden discouraging people. I already stated some policies. And saying "don't come" is meaningless when your policies encourage otherwise. The State department can only work so fast, especially when former decimated their ranks. They were also hampered by let's see, a global pandemic and an agreement made by the previous administration with a deadline. 17,000 interviews is not a reasonable expectation or task given those parameters. That's why I said that Biden should have gotten this all done BEFORE he pulled out protective troops. You’re entitled to your own opinion, but missing one meeting doesn’t seem like a valid reason to say she’s not doing a good job or would not do a good job as president. What policies encourage people? Even if Biden administration policies do encourage people to come, how do you jump to the conclusion that she's doing a bad job? You're avoiding the obvious answer that encouraging people to come here is bad. The Republican premise and point of view that immigration is bad, we should close our border, put up walls etc is not everyone's perspective. You have to say that part out loud, that you don't want people of color fleeing violence and poverty to come here. And where did Biden say they will feed and house people? He might not be president, but regrettably, he is the former president. And unfortunately, he is head of the Republican Party and potentially a 2024 candidate, so still very relevant. And again my point was that if you remained silent during his 4 years, your criticisms of VP Harris are disingenuous and a double standard. Sure, let's ignore the well documented total chaos of his 4 years but blame the Biden administration for gossip from unnamed sources. And we were not talking about the Canadian border. We’re talking about the Mexico border. My question still stands. What purpose does a visit there serve? Again, 17,000 interviews before August was an impossible task for all of the reasons stated. You've still got a whole lot of nothing but Republican talking points, spin, gossip from unnamed sources, false premises, ignoring questions, sidestepping them, deflection, impossible and double standards. Typical Republican strategies. When you can't run on facts, create your own "alternative facts"
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Post by hookturnian on Nov 20, 2021 13:06:51 GMT
Speaking of plans, are we still getting Trump's plan for healthcare in two weeks, or nah? It's coming, right after Obama's cost cut of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year happens. You're deflecting AND moving the goalposts. Trump did not make publishing his plan contingent upon anything. He said it would come in two weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2021 13:07:36 GMT
Meaning—she’s got no evidence…just her opinion!!! I know. She has no idea how to have a reasoned discussion. It's just opinions backed by 1. Nothing OR 2. Right-wing talking points.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 16:37:19 GMT
Specifically what meeting was it? Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas Today's High-Level Security Dialogue marks an important new phase in the US-Mexico security partnership. We will work together under a new framework to guide our joint efforts, and work toward our shared goals of security and prosperity for our two nations. 12:27 PM · Oct 8, 2021·Twitter Web App Her not being at this important meeting when she's tasked with border security, doesn't look like someone doing a good job. *********************************************************** You mean this meeting on security? Why should VP Harris go to a meeting about security when she is tasked with finding the root cause of why migrants are leaving their country? I believe if you check you will find Secretary Mayorkas did not accompany VP Harris on her trip to Central America. By not going was he not doing his job? U.S.- Mexico High-Level Security Dialogue OCTOBER 04, 2021 • STATEMENTS AND RELEASES The United States and Mexico remain committed partners on security cooperation to protect our citizens and to make our nations safer and stronger. On October 8, a U.S. delegation, led by Secretary of State Blinken, will travel to Mexico City to take part in the first U.S.-Mexico High-Level Security Dialogue (HLSD), in recognition of the enduring partnership, mutual respect, and respect for sovereignty that compels us to face security challenges together. Members of the delegation will also include Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas, Attorney General Merrick Garland, Assistant Secretary for Western Hemisphere Affairs Brian Nichols, and National Security Council Senior Director for the Western Hemisphere Juan Gonzalez. This Dialogue comes at a time when the threats of the 21st century become more complex, and know no borders. The Dialogue will build on discussions in previous months on protecting our people, preventing transborder crime, and pursuing criminal networks, while promoting human rights and the rule of law. I’m curious, was there a due date to release her finds that she missed? A due date isn't the issue in looking like she's not doing a good job when she hasn't even mentioned it since she went almost 6 months ago. That's NOT a doing a good job. *****(**************************************************** Is this what you are looking for? It’s been out since July. FACT SHEET: Strategy to Address the Root Causes of Migration in Central America JULY 29, 2021• STATEMENTS AND RELEASES On February 2, 2021, President Biden signed an Executive Order that called for the development of a Root Causes Strategy. Since March, Vice President Kamala Harris has been leading the Administration’s diplomatic efforts to address the root causes of migration from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. She has worked with bilateral, multilateral, and private sector partners, as well as civil society leaders, to help people from the region find hope at home. This complements work done throughout the U.S. government over the last six months to learn lessons from prior efforts and to consult with a wide range of stakeholders to inform the development of this strategy. Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is releasing the Root Causes Strategy—a core component of our Administration’s efforts to establish a fair, orderly, and humane immigration system. This Strategy identifies, prioritizes, and coordinates actions to improve security, governance, human rights, and economic conditions in the region. It integrates various U.S. government tools, including diplomacy, foreign assistance, public diplomacy, and sanctions. Implementation of the Strategy will rely on the expertise of a wide range of U.S. departments and agencies, with support from governments in and outside the region, civil society, the private sector, multilateral organizations, international financial institutions, and the U.S. Congress. These partnerships will bolster the impact of the Strategy through informing programmatic interventions, leveraging political will, and mobilizing necessary resources. The U.S. government will coordinate a place-based approach, targeting those areas where migrants are most likely to come from. The Strategy is organized into five pillars: Pillar I: Addressing economic insecurity and inequality; Pillar II: Combating corruption, strengthening democratic governance, and advancing the rule of law; Pillar III: Promoting respect for human rights, labor rights, and free press; Pillar IV: Countering and preventing violence, extortion, and other crimes perpetrated by criminal gangs, trafficking networks, and other organized criminal organizations; and Pillar V: Combating sexual, gender-based, and domestic violence. The Vice President and the Administration have already taken action – notable accomplishments include: Addressing immediate humanitarian needs including vaccines. On April 26, Vice President Harris announced $310 million in urgent relief to help address the acute factors of migration, including from hurricanes, the pandemic, and drought caused by climate change. To date, we have allocated over $250 million of the total funds, reaching over two million people. We also provided over 10 million COVID vaccine doses to El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Countering corruption and democratic backsliding. Vice President Harris has been direct and unwavering in highlighting the problems of corruption, the need for reforms, and the vital importance of demonstrating commitment to the rule of law, judicial independence, human rights, and a strong civil society—including during her bilateral meeting in Guatemala. Working with the Department of Justice, the Vice President launched an Anticorruption Task Force that will include U.S. prosecutors and law enforcement experts to investigate and prosecute corruption cases with a nexus in the United States and the region. Addressing security concerns of mutual interest. Vice President Harris launched Anti-Migrant Smuggling Task Forces in both Mexico and Guatemala and secured commitments to increase border enforcement. She reached an agreement with the Mexican government to restart the high-level dialogue focused on the trafficking of weapons and drugs. Internationalizing our efforts. The Vice President has said, “The United States cannot do this work alone.” She has reached out to international partners to highlight the need for increased support for Central America and secured commitments from a number of countries. She successfully encouraged the United Nations to develop a regional Humanitarian Response Plan to mobilize international donor support for the region. Working with the private sector. On May 27, Vice President Harris launched a Call to Action for the private sector to make new commitments in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras to expand economic opportunities. The initial group of 12 companies and organizations committed to helping over 13 million people, offered to provide $750 million in resources, and established a non-profit organization to support economic development efforts in the region – The Partnership for Central America. These initial commitments will provide financial services to small business owners, internet access and digital banking to rural communities, housing for low-income families, and reduced barriers to higher education. Since the launch, over 150 companies and organizations have expressed interest in joining the Call to Action. Both of these articles are from the White House .gov More later
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 17:38:45 GMT
You mean this meeting on security? Why should VP Harris go to a meeting about security when she is tasked with finding the root cause of why migrants are leaving their country? "A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": BOTH curbing the current flow of migrants AND implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration. So yeah, I'd say skipping a border security meeting says she's not doing a very good job.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 20, 2021 18:17:15 GMT
You mean this meeting on security? Why should VP Harris go to a meeting about security when she is tasked with finding the root cause of why migrants are leaving their country? "A senior administration official said Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": BOTH curbing the current flow of migrants AND implementing a long-term strategy that addresses the root causes of migration. So yeah, I'd say skipping a border security meeting says she's not doing a very good job. You really should look up the definition of security. And I disagree with your thought process on this. Nothing about the White House Fact Sheet on “ Strategy to Address the Root Causes of Migration in Central America “?
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 20, 2021 21:56:50 GMT
You really should look up the definition of security. Okay, I looked it up. How does the definition of "security" show that, as someone "tasked with curbing the current flow of migrants at the border" she doesn't need to be at a border security meeting? I'm not making the connection to the definition that you are, can you explain? And I disagree with your thought process on this. I can respect that. Now I'm just trying to understand yours. Nothing about the White House Fact Sheet Yes, that was what my question was about, I hadn't heard anything about it. I still think that policies that contradict messaging and not securing the border make "the search for root causes" look like a deflection from not doing the former.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 21, 2021 17:13:03 GMT
Specifically what meeting was it? Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas Today's High-Level Security Dialogue marks an important new phase in the US-Mexico security partnership. We will work together under a new framework to guide our joint efforts, and work toward our shared goals of security and prosperity for our two nations. 12:27 PM · Oct 8, 2021·Twitter Web App Her not being at this important meeting when she's tasked with border security, doesn't look like someone doing a good job. I’m curious, was there a due date to release her finds that she missed? A due date isn't the issue in looking like she's not doing a good job when she hasn't even mentioned it since she went almost 6 months ago. That's NOT a doing a good job. Just exactly how is going to the southern border for a photo op going to solve the complexity of the immigration problem facing this country? How can you solve a problem you refuse to even go look at? That's not doing a good job. ********************************************************* Her job is not to deal with the conditions at the border nor the security at the border. Other people in the Administration are responsible for that. Oh well the news media is the so called experts on this stuff so they must be correct. Well I wasn't there, but CNN is reporting it. Are you telling me NOW CNN is not reliable? Curious any specific examples or was it gossip from an unnamed source? You didn't have a problem with gossip from unnamed sources when it was about Trump. ********************************************************** With trump, all the unnamed sources did was confirm what one suspected trump was capable of doing. Because every time he opened his mouth he made it clear he was a ignorant lazy bully who was a corrupt pathological liar. What are you babbling about? What open door policies that she supports snd what policies does she support that contribute to sex trafficking? The policies that encourage people to make the dangerous trek to the border. Like getting rid of the remain in Mexico policy. Like promising to house and feed them when they get here. Border crossers saying they waited for Biden's policies before they came across. Those things give a market to human traffickers. Those policies are putting women and children in danger. ******************************************************** You do remember that when VP Harris was South of the border she told them not to come. Right. So that kind of goes against what you are saying. And President Biden is deporting a lot of the migrants. What the Biden Administration is doing is treating the people allowed into the country as human beings unlike dumpster don’s administration who treated them like trash. As to that remain in Mexico thing, at one point they were going to dump those waiting for their asylum trials in the middle of some jungle. But I guess you would be ok with that. But I’m not sure how it be for the women & children. You do know that it’s Republicans pushing the lie that Democrats support open borders don’t you? Jeh Johson, Obama and other Democratic officials I don't remember at the moment are not Republican's pushing the lie. ********************************************************** You do know that President Obama deported thousands and thousands of migrants trying to enter this country don’t you? That kind of goes against the idea of “open borders” don’t you think? Once again Democrats don’t support open borders. There are some who want to increase the numbers allowed into this country but even that is not “open borders”. You do know the remaining Americans there are working to get their Afghan family members out don’t you? Leaked Email: Biden State Department Obstructed Private Rescue Flights From Afghanistan ********************************************************* From your article.. ” Citing possible security threats to both those on board the airplanes and those on the ground at Department of Defense airbases, the State Department also said that “charter flights, even those containing American citizens, would not be allowed to land at Defense Department (DOD) airbases,” effectively grounding the evacuation mission.” Let me repeat that … “ Citing possible security threats to both those on board the airplanes and those on the ground at Department of Defense airbases, the State Department also said that “charter flights, even those containing American citizens, would not be allowed to land at Defense Department (DOD) airbases,” effectively grounding the evacuation mission.” But before that happens these folks need to be interviewed/vetted by the State Department before they can be allowed into the United States. We don’t want to let any budding terrorist in. The Biden Administration inherited a backlog, I think of 17,000 of these interviews mainly because the trump administration had no intention of letting the Afghans into the country when he had planned to leave Afghanistan so they quit doing the interviews. I posted about it with the details on another thread. Then Biden should have done that BEFORE he pulled American protection out. ********************************************************* You sound like a petulant child stomping her little feet. But here’s suggest. Run for President & win and then you call tell how easy it is to do these things. See above…
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 21, 2021 23:00:57 GMT
Her job is not to deal with the conditions at the border nor the security at the border. Other people in the Administration are responsible for that. SHE was tasked with that. "Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and"Going to a border security meeting and seeing the crisis in person is just as valid in "curbing the flow of migrants" as traveling to Guatemala is to "find the root causes". With trump, all the unnamed sources did was confirm what one suspected trump was capable of doing. Because every time he opened his mouth he made it clear he was a ignorant lazy bully who was a corrupt pathological liar. You seem to be confirming then, that you don't have a problem with unnamed sources. Unnamed sources are NOT the problem, did I get that right? You do remember that when VP Harris was South of the border she told them not to come. Right. So that kind of goes against what you are saying. You do remember the policies they set completely contradict the "don't come" message she was forced to give after it was pointed out that the policies are encouraging them to come? Often pointed out by the migrants themselves. So no, it doesn't go against what I said. And President Biden is deporting a lot of the migrants. That doesn't save the women and children from the danger they're in from making the trek that the policies encourage. What the Biden Administration is doing is treating the people allowed into the country as human beings unlike dumpster don’s administration who treated them like trash. Explain what you mean by this vague accusation. As to that remain in Mexico thing, at one point they were going to dump those waiting for their asylum trials in the middle of some jungle. But I guess you would be ok with that. But I’m not sure how it be for the women & children. Did they do it? And whether or not they did, how does that help the women and children Biden and Kamala are responsible for now? You do know that President Obama deported thousands and thousands of migrants trying to enter this country don’t you? That kind of goes against the idea of “open borders” don’t you think? No, it doesn't. What does that have to do with Harris/Biden administration having open borders? Once again Democrats don’t support open borders. There are some who want to increase the numbers allowed into this country but even that is not “open borders”. As I said before even Jeh Johson, Obama and other Democratic officials I don't remember at the moment, feel like these are basically open borders with the Biden/Harris administration. From your article.. ” Citing possible security threats to both those on board the airplanes and those on the ground at Department of Defense airbases, the State Department also said that “charter flights, even those containing American citizens, would not be allowed to land at Defense Department (DOD) airbases,” effectively grounding the evacuation mission.” Also from the article... “No independent charters are allowed to land at [Al Udeid Air Base], the military airbase you mentioned in your communication with Samantha Power. In fact, no charters are allowed to land at an [sic] DoD base and most if not all countries in the Middle Eastern region, with the exception of perhaps Saudi Arabia will allow charters to land,” the official told Montalvo in the email, adding that the organization would “need to find another destination country, and it can’t be the U.S. either.”The State Department official went on to say that even if the organization conducting the evacuations were to reach an agreement to land their evacuees in another country, the State Department would not give the go-ahead or “approve” of the charter flight, leaving organizers few options.I repeat: “need to find another destination country," "even if" "the State Department would not give the go-ahead or “approve” of the charter flight" Showing that even if you get permission to GET THESE AMERICANS OUT OF IMMEDIATE HARMS WAY, PERMISSION TO GET THEM TO A SAFE PLACE WHERE WE CAN VET THEM, WE WILL NOT COOPERATE IN FACILITATING THAT. All that, while Secretary of State Antony Blinken is PUBLICLY saying “We’re working around the clock with NGOs, with members of Congress and advocacy groups, providing any and all information AND DOING ALL WE CAN TO CLEAR ANY ROADBLOCKS THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED to make sure that charter flights carrying Americans or others to whom we have a special responsibility can depart Afghanistan safely.” And yet, the State Department is THE ONLY THING PREVENTING THE FLIGHTS FROM LEAVING AFGHANISTAN. The Biden administration saying one thing publicly and saying something else entirely in a leaked email. Then Biden should have done that BEFORE he pulled American protection out. ********************************************************* You sound like a petulant child stomping her little feet. But here’s suggest. Run for President & win and then you call tell how easy it is to do these things. Interesting take after the last 5-6 years of petulant children stomping their feet in the other direction. And mostly... not at ALL a good answer to the fact that BIDEN SHOULD NOT HAVE REMOVED THE MILITARY BEFORE HE GOT ALL OF THE AMERICANS AND ALLIES OUT. Actually, your answer was a really petulant, foot stomping answer to that fact.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 22, 2021 16:43:41 GMT
Her job is not to deal with the conditions at the border nor the security at the border. Other people in the Administration are responsible for that. SHE was tasked with that. "Harris' role would focus on "two tracks": both curbing the current flow of migrants and"Going to a border security meeting and seeing the crisis in person is just as valid in "curbing the flow of migrants" as traveling to Guatemala is to "find the root causes". With trump, all the unnamed sources did was confirm what one suspected trump was capable of doing. Because every time he opened his mouth he made it clear he was a ignorant lazy bully who was a corrupt pathological liar. You seem to be confirming then, that you don't have a problem with unnamed sources. Unnamed sources are NOT the problem, did I get that right? You do remember that when VP Harris was South of the border she told them not to come. Right. So that kind of goes against what you are saying. You do remember the policies they set completely contradict the "don't come" message she was forced to give after it was pointed out that the policies are encouraging them to come? Often pointed out by the migrants themselves. So no, it doesn't go against what I said. And President Biden is deporting a lot of the migrants. That doesn't save the women and children from the danger they're in from making the trek that the policies encourage. What the Biden Administration is doing is treating the people allowed into the country as human beings unlike dumpster don’s administration who treated them like trash. Explain what you mean by this vague accusation. As to that remain in Mexico thing, at one point they were going to dump those waiting for their asylum trials in the middle of some jungle. But I guess you would be ok with that. But I’m not sure how it be for the women & children. Did they do it? And whether or not they did, how does that help the women and children Biden and Kamala are responsible for now? You do know that President Obama deported thousands and thousands of migrants trying to enter this country don’t you? That kind of goes against the idea of “open borders” don’t you think? No, it doesn't. What does that have to do with Harris/Biden administration having open borders? Once again Democrats don’t support open borders. There are some who want to increase the numbers allowed into this country but even that is not “open borders”. As I said before even Jeh Johson, Obama and other Democratic officials I don't remember at the moment, feel like these are basically open borders with the Biden/Harris administration. From your article.. ” Citing possible security threats to both those on board the airplanes and those on the ground at Department of Defense airbases, the State Department also said that “charter flights, even those containing American citizens, would not be allowed to land at Defense Department (DOD) airbases,” effectively grounding the evacuation mission.” Also from the article... “No independent charters are allowed to land at [Al Udeid Air Base], the military airbase you mentioned in your communication with Samantha Power. In fact, no charters are allowed to land at an [sic] DoD base and most if not all countries in the Middle Eastern region, with the exception of perhaps Saudi Arabia will allow charters to land,” the official told Montalvo in the email, adding that the organization would “need to find another destination country, and it can’t be the U.S. either.”The State Department official went on to say that even if the organization conducting the evacuations were to reach an agreement to land their evacuees in another country, the State Department would not give the go-ahead or “approve” of the charter flight, leaving organizers few options.I repeat: “need to find another destination country," "even if" "the State Department would not give the go-ahead or “approve” of the charter flight" Showing that even if you get permission to GET THESE AMERICANS OUT OF IMMEDIATE HARMS WAY, PERMISSION TO GET THEM TO A SAFE PLACE WHERE WE CAN VET THEM, WE WILL NOT COOPERATE IN FACILITATING THAT. All that, while Secretary of State Antony Blinken is PUBLICLY saying “We’re working around the clock with NGOs, with members of Congress and advocacy groups, providing any and all information AND DOING ALL WE CAN TO CLEAR ANY ROADBLOCKS THAT THEY'VE IDENTIFIED to make sure that charter flights carrying Americans or others to whom we have a special responsibility can depart Afghanistan safely.” And yet, the State Department is THE ONLY THING PREVENTING THE FLIGHTS FROM LEAVING AFGHANISTAN. The Biden administration saying one thing publicly and saying something else entirely in a leaked email. Then Biden should have done that BEFORE he pulled American protection out. ********************************************************* You sound like a petulant child stomping her little feet. But here’s suggest. Run for President & win and then you call tell how easy it is to do these things. Interesting take after the last 5-6 years of petulant children stomping their feet in the other direction. And mostly... not at ALL a good answer to the fact that BIDEN SHOULD NOT HAVE REMOVED THE MILITARY BEFORE HE GOT ALL OF THE AMERICANS AND ALLIES OUT. Actually, your answer was a really petulant, foot stomping answer to that fact. 1. VP Harris roll for immigration does not include security. We have a Secretary of Homeland Security who’s job is to handle security matters for the United States including those at the Southern Border. That is why he was leading the 10/8 meeting. As such there was no reason for VP Harris to be there. 2. If the State Department felt there was a security risk with these independent flights regardless where they landed then there is a risk they aren’t prepared to take. And prove the State Department isn’t trying get get the last of the Americans with their Afghan families out of Afghanistan. 3. He should have done this and he should have done that. Phooey. If you think you can do better by all means run for President. There is a lot we don’t about the decisions made in leaving Afghanistan. And I will say it again. We need Congress to do their oversight and hold hearings. Unfortunately based on the recent disgusting performances by the Republicans at the Merrick Garland hearings in both the House and Senate good faith hearings to actually get the actual facts of what happened ain’t going to happen. 4. Open Borders. What do you mean by open borders? Do you mean this? Open Borders DefinitionsIn the strictest sense, the term “open borders” implies that people may travel to and from a country without presenting a passport, visa, or another form of legal documentation. It does not, however, imply that new immigrants will automatically be granted citizenship. In addition to fully open borders, there are other types of international borders classified according to their “degrees of openness” as determined by the enforcement of border control laws. Understanding these types of borders is critical to understanding the political debate over open border policies. Or do you mean this? Conditionally Open BordersConditionally open borders allow people who meet a legally established set of conditions to freely enter the country. These conditions represent exemptions to existing border control laws that would otherwise apply. For example, the United States Refugee Act grants the President of the United States the authority to permit a limited number of foreign nationals to enter and remain in the U.S. if they can prove a “credible and reasonable fear” of racial or political persecution in their home nations. Internationally, the United States along with 148 other nations have agreed to adhere to the 1951 Refugee Convention and its 1967 Protocols, which allow people to cross their borders to escape life-threatening situations in their homelands.1 Or maybe this? Controlled Borders
Countries with controlled borders place restrictions—sometimes significant—on immigration. Today, the United States and a majority of developed nations have controlled borders. Controlled borders typically require persons crossing them to present a visa or may allow for short-term visa-free visits. Controlled borders may impose internal checks to ensure that people who have entered the country are complying with their conditions of entry and have not overstayed their visas, continuing to reside in the country illegally as undocumented immigrants. In addition, physical passage across controlled borders is usually restricted to a limited number of “points of entry,” such as bridges and airports where conditions for entry can be enforced.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 22, 2021 21:43:43 GMT
1. VP Harris roll for immigration does not include security. We have a Secretary of Homeland Security who’s job is to handle security matters for the United States including those at the Southern Border. That is why he was leading the 10/8 meeting. As such there was no reason for VP Harris to be there. I disagree. She was tasked with curbing the current flow of migrants. I guess she was better suited to go visit a daycare center at the time then? A visit to a daycare center was more in line with curbing the flow of migrants in the border than a high level meeting about the border with important border information. I don't think the word security dismisses the valuable first hand knowledge she missed out on like you think it does. But okay. Visit a daycare center. Like she's just the first lady, not the Vice President. And prove the State Department isn’t trying get get the last of the Americans with their Afghan families out of Afghanistan. I pretty much did with: Showing them saying in a linked email that even if you get permission to GET THESE AMERICANS OUT OF IMMEDIATE HARMS WAY, PERMISSION TO GET THEM TO A SAFE PLACE WHERE WE CAN VET THEM, WE WILL NOT COOPERATE IN FACILITATING THAT. All while saying something entirely different in public. He should have done this and he should have done that. Phooey. If you think you can do better by all means run for President. There is a lot we don’t about the decisions made Funny, you had no problem knowing everything when you disagreed with Trumps policies. Open Borders. What do you mean by open borders? Ask Jeh Johson, Obama and the other democrats saying it what they mean by the Biden/Harris administrations "essentially open borders". As I said, she's not doing her current job well. Therefore I don't think she would do well if she were promoted to president. The polls also seem to back that up. Despite your need to dismiss them in her defense. 28% approval and that's across party lines. She hit an historical record. I stated my opinion. I backed it up with reasons. I defended those reasons. I backed those up too. So you can disagree all you want, but you did not succeed in showing that my reasons were not backed by fact and/or rational reasoning. We may not agree, but you did not prove me wrong despite repeated attempts. So we can respectfully agree to disagree.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 22, 2021 21:56:17 GMT
Expecting the state department to complete 17,000 interviews before August with Covid and a decimated State Department as a result of the Trump administration is not a rational reason.
Nor is missing one meeting a rational reason. Expecting her to be responsible for security when it's not in her job description nor something she has taken on is not a reasonable reason, either.
I think we're all aware of her poll numbers. Many of the people who disapprove of VP Harris have been brainwashed by Fox, other conservative media and Republicans who have targeted her.
Asking these questions again
What policies encourage people? Even if Biden administration policies do encourage people to come, how do you jump to the conclusion that she's doing a bad job? You're avoiding the obvious answer that encouraging people to come here is bad. The Republican premise and point of view that immigration is bad, we should close our borders, put up walls etc is not everyone's perspective. You have to say that part out loud, that you don't want people of color fleeing violence and poverty to come here. And where did Biden say they will feed and house people?
And we were not talking about the Canadian border. We’re talking about the Mexico border. My question still stands. What purpose does a visit there serve?
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 22, 2021 22:43:04 GMT
1. VP Harris roll for immigration does not include security. We have a Secretary of Homeland Security who’s job is to handle security matters for the United States including those at the Southern Border. That is why he was leading the 10/8 meeting. As such there was no reason for VP Harris to be there. I disagree. She was tasked with curbing the current flow of migrants. I guess she was better suited to go visit a daycare center at the time then? A visit to a daycare center was more in line with curbing the flow of migrants in the border than a high level meeting about the border with important border information. I don't think the word security dismisses the valuable first hand knowledge she missed out on like you think it does. But okay. Visit a daycare center. Like she's just the first lady, not the Vice President. What a sexist remark to make. Not only to VP Harris but past First Ladies as well.
We’re done.
And prove the State Department isn’t trying get get the last of the Americans with their Afghan families out of Afghanistan. I pretty much did with: Showing them saying in a linked email that even if you get permission to GET THESE AMERICANS OUT OF IMMEDIATE HARMS WAY, PERMISSION TO GET THEM TO A SAFE PLACE WHERE WE CAN VET THEM, WE WILL NOT COOPERATE IN FACILITATING THAT. All while saying something entirely different in public. He should have done this and he should have done that. Phooey. If you think you can do better by all means run for President. There is a lot we don’t about the decisions made Funny, you had no problem knowing everything when you disagreed with Trumps policies. Open Borders. What do you mean by open borders? Ask Jeh Johson, Obama and the other democrats saying it what they mean by the Biden/Harris administrations "essentially open borders". As I said, she's not doing her current job well. Therefore I don't think she would do well if she were promoted to president. The polls also seem to back that up. Despite your need to dismiss them in her defense. 28% approval and that's across party lines. She hit an historical record. I stated my opinion. I backed it up with reasons. I defended those reasons. I backed those up too. So you can disagree all you want, but you did not succeed in showing that my reasons were not backed by fact and/or rational reasoning. We may not agree, but you did not prove me wrong despite repeated attempts. So we can respectfully agree to disagree.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 22, 2021 22:51:57 GMT
1. VP Harris roll for immigration does not include security. We have a Secretary of Homeland Security who’s job is to handle security matters for the United States including those at the Southern Border. That is why he was leading the 10/8 meeting. As such there was no reason for VP Harris to be there. I disagree. She was tasked with curbing the current flow of migrants. I guess she was better suited to go visit a daycare center at the time then? A visit to a daycare center was more in line with curbing the flow of migrants in the border than a high level meeting about the border with important border information. I don't think the word security dismisses the valuable first hand knowledge she missed out on like you think it does. But okay. Visit a daycare center. Like she's just the first lady, not the Vice President. I'm not sure what part of this comment is the most offensive. I'm offended for both VP Harris and Jill Biden. Suggesting that visiting a day care center is beneath them or unimportant is insulting to American families who depend on day care. Insulting to the caregivers that work there. Funding for childcare is a really important piece of the Build Back Better plan. Jill Biden is a college professor who cares deeply about education. She is a bright, educated, intelligent, articulate, eloquent, caring, compassionate, kind, empathetic, capable First Lady, especially compared to the last one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 22:58:57 GMT
I'm not sure what part of this comment is the most offensive. I'm offended for both VP Harris and Jill Biden. Suggesting that visiting a day care center is beneath them or unimportant is insulting to American families who depend on day care. Insulting to the caregivers that work there. Funding for childcare is a really important piece of the Build Back Better plan. She shows us who she is daily, doesn't she.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 22, 2021 23:47:32 GMT
Expecting the state department to complete 17,000 interviews before August with Covid and a decimated State Department as a result of the Trump administration is not a rational reason. I said that he should have gotten the the Americans and allies out BEFORE he removed the troops. Nothing about "do it before August". So yes, that's a rational expectation. Nor is missing one meeting a rational reason. Expecting her to be responsible for security when it's not in her job description nor something she has taken on is not a reasonable reason, either. I think a border meeting is a more appropriate place to be than visiting a daycare, for the person tasked with addressing the border crisis. Visiting a daycare seems more in line with the duties of the first gentleman or second lady. Your simple disagreement does not make my reasoning irrational. I think we're all aware of her poll numbers. Many of the people who disapprove of VP Harris have been brainwashed by Fox, other conservative media and Republicans who have targeted her. You can make all the excuses you want for her not doing her job well and tanking in the polls in historic fashion, because she isn't doing her job well, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. It's being seen across both parties. What policies encourage people? Even though I've already pointed out some policies, you already asked this question and I told you then that I've already pointed out some policies. Now you're asking again? You're avoiding the obvious answer that encouraging people to come here is bad. Coming here is good. Come. Seek asylum, seek a better life for yourself and your family. Participate in American life. Republicans in general want that. Coming through a dangerous trek riddled with sexual predators, human trafficking and general climate and terrain danger is not in anyone's best interest. We have laws and procedures on how to immigrate or seek asylum and breaking those laws is not the way to do it. We have legal methods to do so and we're supposed to discourage illegal attempts. If you do it illegally you're supposed to be turned back. And we were not talking about the Canadian border. We’re talking about the Mexico border. I have no idea why you keep bringing up the Canadian border. WTH are you talking about? You have to say that part out loud, that you don't want people of color fleeing violence and poverty to come here. The minute you attempt to assert that ANYONE is racist because they want people to follow the laws to come here, the conversation ends. You show you're not having an honest conversation when you devolve into smear tactics in some narcissistic attempt to "own me" with race. Be an adult and deal with facts, not dimwitted race smears because you can't back up your assertions. If you really believed that you’re right, you could articulate it without using racism as a weapon.
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Post by casii on Nov 22, 2021 23:48:42 GMT
I'm not sure what part of this comment is the most offensive. I'm offended for both VP Harris and Jill Biden. Suggesting that visiting a day care center is beneath them or unimportant is insulting to American families who depend on day care. Insulting to the caregivers that work there. Funding for childcare is a really important piece of the Build Back Better plan. She shows us who she is daily, doesn't she. Perhaps it's best not to engage Pixie. You won't persuade them with logic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 23:55:24 GMT
You can make all the excuses you want for her not doing her job well and tanking in the polls in historic fashion, because she isn't doing her job well, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. She's doing her job splendidly. Better than Pence did as VP. See how easy it is to make assertions w/o evidence?
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 22, 2021 23:56:27 GMT
What a sexist remark to make. Not only to VP Harris but past First Ladies as well. We’re done. Oh! There it is. You found the one think you THINK you can dismiss me with. You can't dispute what I said, you're not adult enough to let opposing opinion stand, so you use smear tactics dismiss opinion you don't like. It's not about sexism, it's about what has generally been the job description. It's amazing the levels some of you will stoop to to eradicate diversity of thought, opposing opinion.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 23, 2021 0:01:22 GMT
I disagree. She was tasked with curbing the current flow of migrants. I guess she was better suited to go visit a daycare center at the time then? A visit to a daycare center was more in line with curbing the flow of migrants in the border than a high level meeting about the border with important border information. I don't think the word security dismisses the valuable first hand knowledge she missed out on like you think it does. But okay. Visit a daycare center. Like she's just the first lady, not the Vice President. I'm not sure what part of this comment is the most offensive. I'm offended for both VP Harris and Jill Biden. Suggesting that visiting a day care center is beneath them or unimportant is insulting to American families who depend on day care. Insulting to the caregivers that work there. Funding for childcare is a really important piece of the Build Back Better plan. Jill Biden is a college professor who cares deeply about education. She is a bright, educated, intelligent, articulate, eloquent, caring, compassionate, kind, empathetic, capable First Lady, especially compared to the last one. Speaking of showing who you are on a daily basis... You ignored that "offense" for at least 2 hours until you saw a bandwagon to jump on.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 23, 2021 0:37:35 GMT
I'm not sure what part of this comment is the most offensive. I'm offended for both VP Harris and Jill Biden. Suggesting that visiting a day care center is beneath them or unimportant is insulting to American families who depend on day care. Insulting to the caregivers that work there. Funding for childcare is a really important piece of the Build Back Better plan. Jill Biden is a college professor who cares deeply about education. She is a bright, educated, intelligent, articulate, eloquent, caring, compassionate, kind, empathetic, capable First Lady, especially compared to the last one. Speaking of showing who you are on a daily basis... You ignored that "offense" for at least 2 hours until you saw a bandwagon to jump on. I didn't jump on the bandwagon. I missed it when I read your post the first time because you were spouting more nonsense about the border and VP Harris's job & responsibilities. You still have not answered the questions, why is it important to visit the border? And if the policies are encouraging people to come, why is that bad? And you keep ignoring the facts about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Like the fact that the former president negotiated a deal and the Biden administration was stuck with a deadline. So, 17,000 interviews before August is not a reasonable expectation given the limitations set by the former administration. I'm not making excuses for her not doing her job well. I disagree with you, I'm happy with how she's doing her job. And confident that her poll numbers will rise. I was trying to explain, in part why her poll numbers are so low. And you were the one to bring up the Canadian border. I don't know why that's relevant either. And visiting either border is not an important part of her role working on immigration. It's just something the Republicans insisted on for no valid reason. Then when she did visit, they found something else to criticize. Moving goal posts again just like complaining about Biden not having a press conference.
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Post by pixiechick on Nov 23, 2021 0:43:41 GMT
Speaking of showing who you are on a daily basis... You ignored that "offense" for at least 2 hours until you saw a bandwagon to jump on. I didn't jump on the bandwagon. I missed it when I read your post the first time because you were spouting more nonsense about the border and VP Harris's job & responsibilities. You still have not answered the questions, why is it important to visit the border? And if the policies are encouraging people to come, why is that bad? And you keep ignoring the facts about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Like the fact that the former president negotiated a deal and the Biden administration was stuck with a deadline. So, 17,000 interviews before August is not a reasonable expectation given the limitations set by the former administration. Sure. Don't try to converse with me after that bullshit you pulled. Until you apologize to me for calling me a racist and a sexist in lieu of articulating an opposing view point, don't expect any conversation with me.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 23, 2021 0:48:24 GMT
I didn't jump on the bandwagon. I missed it when I read your post the first time because you were spouting more nonsense about the border and VP Harris's job & responsibilities. You still have not answered the questions, why is it important to visit the border? And if the policies are encouraging people to come, why is that bad? And you keep ignoring the facts about the Afghanistan withdrawal. Like the fact that the former president negotiated a deal and the Biden administration was stuck with a deadline. So, 17,000 interviews before August is not a reasonable expectation given the limitations set by the former administration. Sure. Don't try to converse with me after that bullshit you pulled. Until you apologize to me for calling me a racist and a sexist in lieu of articulating an opposing view point, don't expect any conversation with me. I didn't call you a racist or sexist. I stand by my post that your comment about VP Harris was offensive, I explained why without calling you sexist. And I explained the Republican perspective without calling anyone racist. The Republican premise and point of view that immigration is bad, we should close our borders, put up walls etc is not everyone's perspective. You have to say that part out loud, that you don't want people of color fleeing violence and poverty to come here.If that's how you interpreted your own words, fine. And here are just a few of the challenges to legal immigration. The typical Republican response to people fleeing violence and poverty is just come here legally without recognizing the reality and unsurmountable challenges to that. www.npr.org/2020/01/24/799378739/get-in-line-what-it-takes-to-legally-immigrate-to-the-united-stateswww.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/immigration-wait-times-quotas-have-doubled-green-card-backlogs-are-longwww.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don’t-they-just-get-lineUndocumented immigrants who want to become citizens of the United States cannot just “get in line.” Although there are some lines, many aspiring lawful permanent residents are not eligible to be in any of them. Even if an undocumented immigrant does meet the formal requirements to immigrate, the wait can be very long if the individual is applying from a country with a lengthy backlog of applications.
The other common argument, my ancestors came here legally, why can't people come here legally now? for most of American history, there was no immigration law. It wasn't until the 1880s that we had any federal immigration law of any kind, and it wasn't until 1924 that we began requiring papers of people coming to the United States. So when you say your ancestors came here legally, basically you're not saying anything because for most of American history, coming here legally meant getting off the boat.www.npr.org/2018/01/17/578666008/why-legal-immigration-doesnt-apply-to-early-immigrants-to-the-u-sAnd more ways people's perception and stereotypes don't match up with reality www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/08/517561046/how-americas-idea-of-illegal-immigration-doesnt-always-match-reality
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