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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 16:01:37 GMT
"About one hour prior, at around 9:45 p.m., a CVS store located at the intersection of West Slauson and South Vermont avenues was hit by six burglars who stole about $8,500 in cash, police said. Detectives are looking into whether any of the suspects were also involved in the Nordstrom burglary. This marks the latest in a series of recent brazen burglaries. On Saturday night, two stores on Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills were hit by a large group of smash-and-grab burglars: a Louis Vuitton store and Saks Fifth Avenue. The incident prompted the city of Beverly Hills to hire two private security companies Monday to bolster patrols. Mobs of looters have also been taking part in smash-and-grab burglaries in the Bay Area over a period of several nights. California Gov. Gavin Newsom addressed the issue Monday, saying that California Highway Patrol would begin stepping up its presence around retail outlets."
Time to beef up security. Stores/malls have hired ridiculous "mall cops" for a long time now for pittance wages.
The have-nots now see how easy it is to overwhelm that level of security. And they're going to take advantage of the power of numbers to get what they don't think they can get any other way.
I predict a lot more of this to come and not just in CA.
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 23, 2021 16:21:13 GMT
LA has a shitty DA. Ugh. So disgusted. Crime running rampant because there are little to no consequences.
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 23, 2021 16:24:03 GMT
LA has a shitty DA. Ugh. So disgusted. Crime running rampant because there are little to no consequences. Isn't he being recalled? |
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 23, 2021 16:25:36 GMT
LA has a shitty DA. Ugh. So disgusted. Crime running rampant because there are little to no consequences. Isn't he being recalled? I'm pretty sure there is talk of it, but I don't live in LA county so my vote wouldn't count. But yeah, I've heard lots of talk on KFI about it. He can't be gone soon enough. San Francisco has turned into a literal shithole. They'd better do something soon or LA is going next. |
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 23, 2021 16:27:21 GMT
Okay I guess it failed. Not enough signatures collected in time.
. "An effort to recall George Gascón from his position as the Los Angeles County District Attorney in California did not go to a vote in 2021. Recall supporters announced on September 16, 2021, that they had not gathered enough signatures to meet the October filing deadline.[1]
The recall effort began in March 2021.[2] To get the recall on the ballot, supporters would have had to collect 579,062 signatures from registered voters in the county by October 26, 2021.[1][3]
The notice of intent to recall said Gascón had abandoned crime victims and their families, disregarded the rule of law, weakened sentencing requirements for violent crimes, and reduced sentences on hate, gun, and gang crimes.[4] Gascón said his policies were aimed at correcting a racist system. He also said the recall was being funded by supporters of former President Donald Trump (R).[5]
Gascón was elected to a four-year term in the nonpartisan general election on November 3, 2020, defeating incumbent Jackie Lacey with 53.5% of the vote.[6]
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Post by katlady on Nov 23, 2021 16:29:37 GMT
I don’t know how they can stop this though. When you have 80 people storming a place, like the Nordstrom case, unless you have a dozen cops standing there at the time, you can’t stop them. I don’t know what the solution is. This is so crazy and scary. In San Diego a few years ago, thieves even drove a car into a store to rob the place. This was at an outdoor mall and they drove on a pedestrian walkway. Yes, tougher sentences, but you have to catch these guys first.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Nov 23, 2021 16:34:28 GMT
Yes, tougher sentences, but you have to catch these guys first. And quit letting them out on unbelievably low PR bonds while they await trial, only to go out and commit more crimes. Huge issue here with that - and a lot of finger pointing as to whose fault it is. Meanwhile crime rates continue to increase. |
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Post by grammanisi on Nov 23, 2021 16:36:48 GMT
This has also been happening in Chicago, for quite some time.
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 23, 2021 16:38:05 GMT
I'm pretty sure there is talk of it, but I don't live in LA county so my vote wouldn't count. But yeah, I've heard lots of talk on KFI about it. He can't be gone soon enough. San Francisco has turned into a literal shithole. They'd better do something soon or LA is going next. Boudin, right? My sister used to live in Fremont and she and I used to talk about this. She’s a Dem, but my god, she was exasperated with the policies on crime of some of these DAs. (ETA: forgot to say she worked in SF) |
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Post by oh yvonne on Nov 23, 2021 16:52:18 GMT
I'm pretty sure there is talk of it, but I don't live in LA county so my vote wouldn't count. But yeah, I've heard lots of talk on KFI about it. He can't be gone soon enough. San Francisco has turned into a literal shithole. They'd better do something soon or LA is going next. Boudin, right? My sister used to live in Fremont and she and I used to talk about this. She’s a Dem, but my god, she was exasperated with the policies on crime of some of these DAs. (ETA: forgot to say she worked in SF) In LA the DA is George Gascon, who used to serve as the DA in San Francisco from 2011=2019. How he got elected here is beyond me. Just..exasperating is right! |
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 23, 2021 17:05:13 GMT
Boudin, right? My sister used to live in Fremont and she and I used to talk about this. She’s a Dem, but my god, she was exasperated with the policies on crime of some of these DAs. (ETA: forgot to say she worked in SF) In LA the DA is George Gascon, who used to serve as the DA in San Francisco from 2011=2019. How he got elected here is beyond me. Just..exasperating is right! Lol. Yes, I know it's Gascon. Since you brought up SF, I said Boudin. My sis used to work in SF and was disgusted at what was going on there. No biggie. Thanks. |
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Nov 23, 2021 17:16:24 GMT
This has happened in my city as well.
I personally, I have witnessed this twice.
Once at Walmart, I was in the parking lot on approach to the store, I heard yelling/a commotion and looked to see a swarm(about 6-8) rushed out carrying merchandise in their arms, and they ran.
Once I was sitting in traffic adjacent to a 7-11, and a swarm(about 15-20) rushed out carrying merchandise in their arms and they ran. They were all over the place inbetween cars while escaping, I was scary.
Both times, it looked like teens, early 20's.
It was pre-covid so no masks. Very brazen, considering there are cameras in most corporate type stores.
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Post by chances on Nov 23, 2021 17:19:29 GMT
Yes, tougher sentences, but you have to catch these guys first. And quit letting them out on unbelievably low PR bonds while they await trial, only to go out and commit more crimes. Huge issue here with that - and a lot of finger pointing as to whose fault it is. Meanwhile crime rates continue to increase. Locking someone away because they can’t pay high bail is a problem. Bond reform is necessary. High bonds for non violent crimes incarcerate people who haven’t been convicted of anything. Crime is a multi dimensional issue that we ideally would be handling at multiple levels in our society. Unfortunately, there seems to only be a political desire for incarceration as a solution. If more police and jail time was the answer to crime, the US would be one of the safest places on Earth. |
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Post by Lexica on Nov 23, 2021 17:28:39 GMT
It is a different world right now. I don't know if it is true, but I think the pandemic and the mass loss of people and jobs/income has pushed some people into irrational behavior. Entitled behavior. I fear it is going to become worse before it gets better. Especially with so many people refusing to vaccinate and help end the pandemic.
I probably shouldn't say this, and I have zero medical knowledge to back it up, but I fear the virus is going to continue to mutate and we are going to have to develop more and more types of vaccines to combat it. That will only fuel the naysayers into saying the vaccine is useless. They won't realize that their refusal and continued infection spread is what is contributing to the mutations.
The lack of jobs will frustrate and people may turn to violence. Although one would think they would be breaking into food/medical supply facilities, not high end merchandise places.
It is a strange time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 17:40:34 GMT
"Things were better before the cultural revolution." Hmmmmm I wonder what's changed since the 60s other than the "cultural revolution"
Maybe that was before all the jobs were outsourced, down-sized, automated, off-shored?
Maybe that was when people made great wages and benefits even w/o a college degree?
And who outsourced, down-sized, automated, off-shored and made bank on all those additional profits w/o paying for the costs of society?
Oh, right - multinationals. The ones that the right tries so hard to protect at every turn.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 23, 2021 17:41:06 GMT
I have said for years that people take law & order for granted. Something that just happens. But the only mechanism for it to happen is for people to buy into the system. You stop at a stop sign even if no one can see you. Why? What would happen if suddenly no one believed in stopping at stop signs? There is no police force large enough to stop the chaos if no one stopped. People would just start putting armor on their cars and things like that. No judicial system large enough to handle the caseload.
People also model what they see. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that people witnessed the lack of consequences surrounding the previous administration and their willful disregard of societal norms and stuff like this. “If it’s good enough for the rich and powerful.” People will take it upon themselves to get what they want, especially if they believe “the system” isn’t working for them. I expect more of this stuff as inequality deepens. Some will be from people who feel their actions are justified. But abetted by those seeking to advance their wealth and power. Organized crime always benefits by stepping into the role as provider in their community when more traditional options fail.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 18:20:34 GMT
People also model what they see. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that people witnessed the lack of consequences surrounding the previous administration and their willful disregard of societal norms and stuff like this. “If it’s good enough for the rich and powerful.” Couldn't agree more. I have bemoaned "consequence-free living" for the rich forever. And this is why - because it eventually trickles down to the non-rich. The rich have power in attys/playing the courts (not to mention bribes - legal and illegal), etc. The non-rich have power in numbers. BOTH can be the demise of civil society. What would happen if suddenly no one believed in stopping at stop signs? There is no police force large enough to stop the chaos if no one stopped. Exactly. That is the danger of the decades-long work of the GOP to sow distrust in and hatred of government. |
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Post by papersilly on Nov 23, 2021 18:25:16 GMT
the brazenness of these incidents drive me nuts and there doesn't seem to be any true consequences to their actions. our officials just throw up their hands and basically say their hands are tied. the store policies are not to interfere with an active robbery (i get that and support it. no sense in dying for a basket of cosmetics). i don't know what the answer for this is.
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Post by garcia5050 on Nov 23, 2021 18:44:32 GMT
The locking up of items in stores will tell you how bad it is. It started with diapers and formula, now it’s deodorant, razors, and laundry detergent.
We went to nicer malls over the summer, and my son noticed something was different at the Apple store but couldn’t put his finger on it. And I noticed that locks were gone. Things were just powered, but not locked. I guess nice areas don’t have their stuff locked up. I imagine they will start doing it, and hiding small, affordable tracking devices. If poor areas can adjust to crime, so will the nicer stores.
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 23, 2021 18:49:05 GMT
The biggest issue is that criminals are arrested and back out on the street the same day. The DA's in the Bay Area are funded by George Soros. Soros would like to defund the police. So, don't prosecute criminals, let them go. It is working fabulously well. Sigh. It's a shit show. I don't even like going to malls or out shopping anymore because of this crap. I order online and pick up curbside when possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 18:53:15 GMT
The biggest issue is that criminals are arrested and back out on the street the same day. That's because being arrested don't mean convicted. And to get people from arrest to conviction faster means MORE MONEY spent on jails, judges, courtrooms, systems. And we don't want to spend more money cuz that raises taxes - and you know who pays the taxes - the middle class. Not the very poor, not the very rich, not the corporations. It's the middle class. Cuz they can't F(#*$ING wake up and elect officials who will raise taxes on the rich, the corps and put that money to work making SOCIETY BETTER - both by preventing more crime and dealing w/the crime they can't prevent. |
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Post by scorpeao on Nov 23, 2021 18:53:20 GMT
This is what happens when the distribution of wealth is concentrated at the top. As the poor get poorer you can expect more crimes such as this. Who will pay for incarcerating all these people?
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Nov 23, 2021 19:17:36 GMT
In San Francisco, at least, crimes that were formerly felonies have been downgraded to misdemeanors. There's no reason for police to arrest someone when there is no penalty for the crime.
I loved San Francisco. I grew up nearby, worked in the city, and even after moving away, we visited often. But on our last visit in 2019, things had changed. The company put us up at the Four Seasons in the finance district, an historically upscale hotel/area. Outside the hotel sidewalks were lined with people leaning against the buildings, sleeping or shooting up. In broad daylight. We had to watch where we walked to avoid human waste and discarded needles on the sidewalks. We asked directions at the hotel and the concierge advised us to walk to a more distant BART station as the station closest to the hotel had become a homeless encampment. DH was walking to lunch with his business associates and a man walked up to him and spit in his face. San Francisco has always been my favorite city in the world, but I honestly don't know if I will ever go back.
In contrast, New York City famously lowered its crime rate by arresting petty criminals. Turns out the petty criminals were also the ones committing major crimes.
De-criminalizing crime is not going to lower crime rates. It's just going to embolden criminals.
All the above is my opinion based on my observations and experiences. YMMV.
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Post by onelasttime on Nov 23, 2021 19:24:30 GMT
I’m not sure this is all about the poor. At one break in of an SUV in SF the crooks didn’t seem to care there were people watching them and one person did take a video of the guy breaking into the SUV. After the guy finished grabbing what he could he and his loot got in the get away car which happened to be a newer model of a Mercedes.
I’m thinking there is something else going on here.
Did you ever think it could be all about the thrill of being able to do it and then getting away with it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 19:29:32 GMT
De-criminalizing crime is not going to lower crime rates. It's just going to embolden criminals. All the above is my opinion based on my observations and experiences. YMMV. I think the answer is to try to PREVENT CRIME - by reaching these kids YOUNG and getting them OUT of the crime mindset YOUNG. Then, if they still are determined to engage in crime/violence I have NO ISSUE w/incarceration - in a way that is STILL trying to get them OUT of a crime mindset. It just gets harder as they get older. Did you ever think it could be all about the thrill of being able to do it and then getting away with it. I absolutely think this is part of it. Again, to me part of the solution is to get these kids excited about other things - things other than showing off to their friends/gangs. But that takes enormous resources. We'd rather wait for the crimes and then spend the money on jails, courts, prisons, etc. |
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Post by garcia5050 on Nov 23, 2021 19:31:54 GMT
I’m not sure this is all about the poor. At one break in of an SUV in SF the crooks didn’t seem to care there were people watching them and one person did take a video of the guy breaking into the SUV. After the guy finished grabbing what he could he and his loot got in the get away car which happened to be a newer model of a Mercedes. I’m thinking there is something else going on here. Did you ever think it could be all about the thrill of being able to do it and then getting away with it? I bet that Mercedes was stolen or a rental obtained with fake information. |
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 23, 2021 20:25:28 GMT
I can’t blame people for questioning some of these policies.
Perhaps one of the solutions would be to stop the practice of electing state/local prosecutors. In my view, they should not be beholden to any party or any segment of society. Their duty is to serve all, meaning their policies should not be dictated or influenced by partisanship. If your justice policies are going to be too far left or too far right, then I don’t see how that helps.
If we truly want prosecutions to be fair and aboveboard, then all prosecutors should be independent, and by that I mean independent also of who might appoint them. We don’t elect federal prosecutors, so why do we do it for state (with the exception of about five states that don’t do this)? I don’t know of any other fully-developed nation that does this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 22:14:10 GMT
Yep. This is what happens in grossly unequal societies. Ever watch the rich/dignitaries in the developing world go to work/school w/their burly bodyguards, bullet-proof cars, behind barbed-wire checkpoints? Coming soon to a state near you. You can either make a more just society (they don't seem to have this issue in much of the rest of the developed world where the inequality isn't off the charts) or you can keep sh($tting on the hopeless. They'll eventually take matters into their own hands. |
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Post by anonaname on Nov 23, 2021 22:22:40 GMT
Yep. This is what happens in grossly unequal societies. Ever watch the rich/dignitaries in the developing world go to work/school w/their burly bodyguards, bullet-proof cars, behind barbed-wire checkpoints? Coming soon to a state near you. You can either make a more just society (they don't seem to have this issue in much of the rest of the developed world where the inequality isn't off the charts) or you can keep sh($tting on the hopeless. They'll eventually take matters into their own hands. This is also what happens when you don't enforce the law. Welcome to California, the shoplifters paradise where shoplifters can steal up to $950 before they can be charged with a felony! Shit, what the fuck did they think would happen with Proposition 47? I agree with you though to a point. Thomas Moore said it best: “For if you suffer your people to be ill-educated, and their manners to be corrupted from their infancy, and then punish them for those crimes to which their first education disposed them, what else is to be concluded from this, but that you first make thieves and then punish them.” |
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