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Post by Merge on Nov 27, 2021 16:36:44 GMT
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Post by birukitty on Nov 27, 2021 17:04:10 GMT
I also say good for him! My gosh, it wasn't like it was a Confederate flag which divides and is a symbol of hatred. This was a pride flag which unites and is a symbol of inclusivity and love. When are people going to understand that it is love that will bring the world together to heal and bring peace. And it is hatred that divides us and brings war?
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Post by ddly on Nov 27, 2021 17:05:16 GMT
We had a teacher in my district attacked in local media earlier this year for asking students what their pronouns were. The district is currently trying to adopt an equity policy and it’s been a crazy ride.
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Post by melanell on Nov 27, 2021 17:06:48 GMT
And then people have the audacity to bitch about a shortage of employees despite allowing current employees to leave over things like this. Now you need to go find another qualified teacher willing to work for you, despite the bad press you're currently experiencing. Sometimes my head hurts from rolling my eyes so dramatically.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 17:08:15 GMT
This was a pride flag which unites and is a symbol of inclusivity and love Not to Christofascists. It is a symbol of defiance toward their "loving" god. |
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Post by basketdiva on Nov 27, 2021 17:14:36 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms.
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Post by birukitty on Nov 27, 2021 17:19:03 GMT
This was a pride flag which unites and is a symbol of inclusivity and love Not to Christofascists. It is a symbol of defiance toward their "loving" god. Yes, I know this is their thinking. But the loving God that I believe in loves everyone. We are not to judge anyone. We aren't supposed to hate anyone either. Judgement is for God to do at the end of our life. This is what I believe. |
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 27, 2021 17:41:35 GMT
Good for him, but how frustrating and sad that the school board is making teachers take them down.
Our classrooms all have Pride/inclusivity flag/banners outside their rooms.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 27, 2021 17:42:30 GMT
What's sad about this is the likely not-small number of teachers who will go quiet/silent about issues of equity and inclusion in order to protect themselves.
This is a reality.
Teachers will need parents and community members to speak out (at school board meetings, in public spaces, not just on social media) to counteract the intentionally manufactured outrage that is coming our way. We can't do this alone.
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Post by Skellinton on Nov 27, 2021 17:42:34 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. No you don’t. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 27, 2021 17:43:33 GMT
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 27, 2021 17:46:33 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. No you don’t. Correct. |
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Post by shamrock on Nov 27, 2021 17:46:33 GMT
We had a teacher in my district attacked in local media earlier this year for asking students what their pronouns were. The district is currently trying to adopt an equity policy and it’s been a crazy ride. We had multiple teachers called out for asking pronouns on a get to you know assignment the students did. It was the anti-mask group that did it. Luckily the district did not take any action & I know, at least some of, the teachers were supported by administrators. One of my friends, mother of a lgtbq child, was one of the teachers called out. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 27, 2021 17:46:45 GMT
I remember when I was in high school, in the 1980s, that parents were demanding that the LGBT club at my high school be disbanded and calling for action against the teacher who was its advisor.
30+ years later. here we still are.
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Post by Merge on Nov 27, 2021 18:27:57 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. What other groups use a flag as a symbol of welcome and inclusivity for a historically marginalized group? If you can name one, I'll be happy to hang it in my classroom. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that the pride flag is the moral or logical equivalent of a nazi or confederate flag for a certain group. |
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Post by MichyM on Nov 27, 2021 18:36:21 GMT
This whole thing is just ridiculous as well as infuriating. Why wouldn't we want children who may (or may not) be struggling with their sexuality to feel included and recognized?
My son and his partner planned my 60th birthday trip for the 3 of us to Orcas Island (which was wonderful) in late July of this year. As the mom of a gay man, it warmed my heart to get off the ferry and see pride flags all over the island. Even the guys commented on it. As adults, for them to feel so comfortable and welcomed had to have felt fantastic.
Wouldn't it be amazing for children to feel that (in the place where they spend a good part of their day) as well?
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Post by basketdiva on Nov 27, 2021 18:40:15 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. What other groups use a flag as a symbol of welcome and inclusivity for a historically marginalized group? If you can name one, I'll be happy to hang it in my classroom. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that the pride flag is the moral or logical equivalent of a nazi or confederate flag for a certain group. BLM flags for one. And with this I'm bowing out of the conversation.
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Post by Merge on Nov 27, 2021 18:48:39 GMT
What other groups use a flag as a symbol of welcome and inclusivity for a historically marginalized group? If you can name one, I'll be happy to hang it in my classroom. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that the pride flag is the moral or logical equivalent of a nazi or confederate flag for a certain group. BLM flags for one. And with this I'm bowing out of the conversation.
Why? I'm curious about your reasoning. If a Pride flag is the "slippery slope" to having to allow a BLM flag as well, what is wrong with that? What equivalent flags do you think might be included further down the slope? |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Nov 27, 2021 19:08:54 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. Nope. Not a thing. |
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Post by circusjohnson on Nov 27, 2021 21:42:28 GMT
My district made us take down all flags except the American flag this year. Some principals in my district took that to mean anything Rainbow had to come down. Luckily my principle still allows rainbows. I have a rainbow pin I wear on my lanyard and a Mask that says Human with all of the LGBTQ+ flag colors. that I still wear. Students need to know that the library is a welcoming safe space for all students.
As a school librarian that has already been questioned about what content is in my library, I have to be really careful that I am not self censoring what I am purchasing, due to fear of what might happen or who might be offended. I often give my self a pep talk before purchasing... You are buying this book because......
Tina
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Post by ddly on Nov 27, 2021 22:07:03 GMT
We had a teacher in my district attacked in local media earlier this year for asking students what their pronouns were. The district is currently trying to adopt an equity policy and it’s been a crazy ride. We had multiple teachers called out for asking pronouns on a get to you know assignment the students did. It was the anti-mask group that did it. Luckily the district did not take any action & I know, at least some of, the teachers were supported by administrators. One of my friends, mother of a lgtbq child, was one of the teachers called out. Our administration is supportive and it is the anti-mask and anti-CRT group. It’s ridiculous. |
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 27, 2021 22:46:33 GMT
I remember when I was in high school, in the 1980s, that parents were demanding that the LGBT club at my high school be disbanded and calling for action against the teacher who was its advisor. 30+ years later. here we still are. Yes, totally frustrating that nothing much has changed. I must say though, I am pleasantly surprised that your school was progressive enough to have had an LGBT club in the 80s. I was in high school in the early to mid 80s, and there is no way my school - nor any school here - would have had such a club back then. Any LGBTI kids in school back then were well and truly deep in the closet.  |
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Post by Merge on Nov 27, 2021 23:01:02 GMT
I remember when I was in high school, in the 1980s, that parents were demanding that the LGBT club at my high school be disbanded and calling for action against the teacher who was its advisor. 30+ years later. here we still are. Yes, totally frustrating that nothing much has changed. I must say though, I am pleasantly surprised that your school was progressive enough to have had an LGBT club in the 80s. I was in high school in the early to mid 80s, and there is no way my school - nor any school here - would have had such a club back then. Any LGBTI kids in school back then were well and truly deep in the closet. Isn't that the truth. So many people I went to high school and college with came out as gay in the late 90s and 2000s (I graduated in 1990 and 1994). Not a whisper of any of that during the time we were in school. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 27, 2021 23:39:50 GMT
Yes, totally frustrating that nothing much has changed. I must say though, I am pleasantly surprised that your school was progressive enough to have had an LGBT club in the 80s. I was in high school in the early to mid 80s, and there is no way my school - nor any school here - would have had such a club back then. Any LGBTI kids in school back then were well and truly deep in the closet. Isn't that the truth. So many people I went to high school and college with came out as gay in the late 90s and 2000s (I graduated in 1990 and 1994). Not a whisper of any of that during the time we were in school. I grew up in a conservative area, but we had a suicide and a concerned teacher. I am thankful for him. |
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Post by melanell on Nov 28, 2021 0:43:14 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. I think this would be fine, so long as such a rule is made an official, written rule for all teachers & staff to follow---and enforced in the same manner for everyone. So no Irish flag on St. Paddy's Day, and no world flags in a social studies class, and no ever changing line up of holiday flags in the secretary's office, and so on and so forth. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 28, 2021 0:45:09 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. I think this would be fine, so long as such a rule is made an official, written rule for all teachers & staff to follow---and enforced in the same manner for everyone. So no Irish flag on St. Paddy's Day, and no world flags in a social studies class, and no ever changing line up of holiday flags in the secretary's office, and so on and so forth. What purpose would this serve? Who would be materially helped (or kept from harm) by this rule? |
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Post by melanell on Nov 28, 2021 0:52:07 GMT
I think this would be fine, so long as such a rule is made an official, written rule for all teachers & staff to follow---and enforced in the same manner for everyone. So no Irish flag on St. Paddy's Day, and no world flags in a social studies class, and no ever changing line up of holiday flags in the secretary's office, and so on and so forth. What purpose would this serve? Who would be materially helped (or kept from harm) by this rule? It would serve no purpose and help no one. That's what I'm saying----flags of all sorts are used all of the time. They add fun, aid in education, and serve as ways to get students talking & thinking about different topics, places, and people. But if a school is going to ban the Pride flag it better be banning all of these other flags, too, even if that means losing out on all the good those flags bring to a school as well. (Sorry for the lack of clarity in the previous post.) |
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 28, 2021 2:56:11 GMT
My district made us take down all flags except the American flag this year. Some principals in my district took that to mean anything Rainbow had to come down. Luckily my principle still allows rainbows. I have a rainbow pin I wear on my lanyard and a Mask that says Human with all of the LGBTQ+ flag colors. that I still wear. Students need to know that the library is a welcoming safe space for all students. As a school librarian that has already been questioned about what content is in my library, I have to be really careful that I am not self censoring what I am purchasing, due to fear of what might happen or who might be offended. I often give my self a pep talk before purchasing... You are buying this book because...... Tina Hang in there and thanks for all you do. If you ever need to vent, I'm a school instrutional coach/cert librarian. ❤️ |
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 28, 2021 3:16:40 GMT
Twenty years of studying how LGBTQ students interface with educational space tells us that these symbols MATTER. Shit! Living in small town religious Utah, I was ecstatic when my neighbor's put out a pride flag. Made up for the giant ass 2020 election was rigged flag a block away.  The suicide rate for teens in my state is one of the highest in the country and leaders can't figure it out!  |
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Post by MissBianca on Nov 28, 2021 4:12:02 GMT
I believe that the US flag should be the only one in classrooms. If you allow the Pride flag, then you have to allow everyone other groups's flag. Way too much chance for drama in the classrooms. I think this would be fine, so long as such a rule is made an official, written rule for all teachers & staff to follow---and enforced in the same manner for everyone. So no Irish flag on St. Paddy's Day, and no world flags in a social studies class, and no ever changing line up of holiday flags in the secretary's office, and so on and so forth. I get what you are saying. We had a similar issue at the HS a few years ago. No shirts with words or graphics, they were aiming at stopping drug related and violent images. Only some teachers went too far. They dress coded kids for Nike swooshes and Under Armour logos. We had a couple of teachers dress code kids for school spirit clothing. So long story short the school store didn’t sell a single article of clothing that year and neither did any club or sport. So while a ban was well intentioned it had long reaching consequences. That’s where that slippery slope comes into play. Ban one flag, shirt design, book, etc where does it end? |
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The suicide rate for teens in my state is one of the highest in the country and leaders can't figure it out! 
