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Post by scrappypeanut on Nov 28, 2021 21:19:01 GMT
I am wanting to get into foiling and am wondering the easiest way?
I have a silhouette but seeing Foil pens…
Just wanting to foil on paper to add interest.
Thoughts/recommendations/good Tutorials?
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Post by wendifful on Nov 28, 2021 23:06:46 GMT
Hmm...I have experience with three different methods and I'd rate them this way for easiness: 1) Toner foiling 2) Hot foiling (using Spellbinders glimmer machine or Gemini hot foil press) 3) WRMK foil quill However, there are some caveats with all this. I'd think about what equipment you already have (versus what you'd need to buy), as well as what effects you're wanting. I think toner foiling is the easiest IF you have a laser printer. If you don't have a laser printer, it really limits your options, although there are workaround (inks and gels that can foil, pre-printed toner sheets). You can make a ton of custom items with not much work. You can get beautiful thin AND thick lines. (ETA: I've seen different scrap celebrities, including Heidi Swapp and Jennifer McGuire, say that if you don't have a laser printer, you can get items printed at your local office supply store. However, I've tried this and did not get good results, see this thread I created for more details. Because this hasn't worked for me, I think that this method is most reliable if you own a laser printer yourself.) Hot foiling (with a manual die cutting machine) can produce some beautiful results and is especially great for thick/solid images and text. However, it can be a little fussy to get stuff lined up. Some companies (mostly Pinkfresh) have done a really great job of creating one-piece hot foil plates and dies, so you can do a bunch of foiling in one go. When I got my hot foil/glimmer machine, there were only two companies on the market making hot foil plates, Spellbinders and Crafter's Companion. Spellbinders has some beautiful designs but I've since learned that they're not all for me, as I don't want to spend forever getting things lined up. Also, with this method, your design options are limited to the hot foil plates that companies release, there are no customization options that I'm aware of. Finally, with the foil quill, this is really only good if you're wanting thin outlines. Even with the bold tip pen, the lines you get aren't very thick. There are some ways around this, like using fills and inner offset, but even with that, you don't get quite the same solid look as the above two options. If you like really delicate designs, then this might be a great option for you. I tend to like more solid designs, so while I'm glad I have the foil quill, it's not my favorite. Additionally, it can be kind of a pain to get the foil on the paper correctly, as it needs to be in the right spot and also taped down very well/very smooth. (The WRMK magnetic mat doesn't work with all the Silhouette machines due to its thickness, and mine falls into that category. If you have a Cameo 3, it's supposed to work well.) Kind of a diatribe, but there you go! If I didn't explain anything well, I'm happy to answer more questions! And of course, I'm sure other Peas will have different experiences and opinions, this is just what I've found in my personal crafting. |
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Post by cbet on Nov 29, 2021 18:55:36 GMT
I've not tried the Foil Quill, but I have a Minc and have done toner foiling, and I have the Glimmer machine and more foil plates than I ever expected I'd purchase. They each use a different type of foil - the Glimmer-type hotfoil has an adhesive built in that is activated by heat and pressure from the plate and you can foil beautiful intricate designs as well as bold/solid designs. But you are limited to designs that have plates available. The toner foiling, you can foil any design that you can print with a laser printer. BUT I've not had great luck with designs with super fine lines, and you need to experiment with the settings on your printer to get good results with the foiling. If you're willing to play around, it's worth the time  You will need either a laminator or a Minc to apply the foil. I know that the big youtubers say that a laminator works fine, but I've had much better results with my Minc machine. Some companies also have foilable designs available (Thermo-Web is one; there's an Australian company called Crafty Critta that has quite a few of them) and you can get good results with those. There is also a product from Thermo Web called Decofoil Transfer Gel Duo that you can apply thru a stencil, let the gel dry and then run your image and foil thru your Big Shot/Spellbinders/Cuttlebug machine and the pressure will make the foil transfer to the adhesive. (You use the toner foil for this) If you're artistic, you can also draw a design with a glue that dries tacky - I've messed around with Tombow Mono Multi and it worked. You let the glue dry, then put the foil down and burnish it and it will stick to the glue. On youtube, NancyStamps has some really good tutorials covering both methods, but her videos are long. And, they made me want to buy all. the. things. Also, some of her earlier ones recommend a company called Creative Visions Stamps - they had wonderful foils, and great foilable images, but that shop has closed, so you'll need to ignore those recommendations. |
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Post by scrappinwithoutpeas on Nov 29, 2021 22:28:06 GMT
I've not tried the Foil Quill, but I have a Minc and have done toner foiling, and I have the Glimmer machine and more foil plates than I ever expected I'd purchase. They each use a different type of foil - the Glimmer-type hotfoil has an adhesive built in that is activated by heat and pressure from the plate and you can foil beautiful intricate designs as well as bold/solid designs. But you are limited to designs that have plates available. The toner foiling, you can foil any design that you can print with a laser printer. BUT I've not had great luck with designs with super fine lines, and you need to experiment with the settings on your printer to get good results with the foiling. If you're willing to play around, it's worth the time  You will need either a laminator or a Minc to apply the foil. I know that the big youtubers say that a laminator works fine, but I've had much better results with my Minc machine. Some companies also have foilable designs available (Thermo-Web is one; there's an Australian company called Crafty Critta that has quite a few of them) and you can get good results with those. There is also a product from Thermo Web called Decofoil Transfer Gel Duo that you can apply thru a stencil, let the gel dry and then run your image and foil thru your Big Shot/Spellbinders/Cuttlebug machine and the pressure will make the foil transfer to the adhesive. (You use the toner foil for this) If you're artistic, you can also draw a design with a glue that dries tacky - I've messed around with Tombow Mono Multi and it worked. You let the glue dry, then put the foil down and burnish it and it will stick to the glue.
On youtube, NancyStamps has some really good tutorials covering both methods, but her videos are long. And, they made me want to buy all. the. things. Also, some of her earlier ones recommend a company called Creative Visions Stamps - they had wonderful foils, and great foilable images, but that shop has closed, so you'll need to ignore those recommendations. Would you use just regular foil (as opposed to hotfoil or some other type) with this method? |
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Post by scrappypeanut on Nov 29, 2021 22:49:37 GMT
I have a cameo 4. No laser printer (not in the bed get to get one either).
Will look into how it works with the cameo - the pens are at J’s 50% off….0
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Post by cbet on Nov 30, 2021 3:21:17 GMT
I've not tried the Foil Quill, but I have a Minc and have done toner foiling, and I have the Glimmer machine and more foil plates than I ever expected I'd purchase. They each use a different type of foil - the Glimmer-type hotfoil has an adhesive built in that is activated by heat and pressure from the plate and you can foil beautiful intricate designs as well as bold/solid designs. But you are limited to designs that have plates available. The toner foiling, you can foil any design that you can print with a laser printer. BUT I've not had great luck with designs with super fine lines, and you need to experiment with the settings on your printer to get good results with the foiling. If you're willing to play around, it's worth the time You will need either a laminator or a Minc to apply the foil. I know that the big youtubers say that a laminator works fine, but I've had much better results with my Minc machine. Some companies also have foilable designs available (Thermo-Web is one; there's an Australian company called Crafty Critta that has quite a few of them) and you can get good results with those. There is also a product from Thermo Web called Decofoil Transfer Gel Duo that you can apply thru a stencil, let the gel dry and then run your image and foil thru your Big Shot/Spellbinders/Cuttlebug machine and the pressure will make the foil transfer to the adhesive. (You use the toner foil for this) If you're artistic, you can also draw a design with a glue that dries tacky - I've messed around with Tombow Mono Multi and it worked. You let the glue dry, then put the foil down and burnish it and it will stick to the glue.
On youtube, NancyStamps has some really good tutorials covering both methods, but her videos are long. And, they made me want to buy all. the. things. Also, some of her earlier ones recommend a company called Creative Visions Stamps - they had wonderful foils, and great foilable images, but that shop has closed, so you'll need to ignore those recommendations. Would you use just regular foil (as opposed to hotfoil or some other type) with this method? It might work with glimmer foil, but I've only tried it with the toner reactive foil. |
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Post by cupcakepeddler on Nov 30, 2021 4:07:33 GMT
I know that the big youtubers say that a laminator works fine, but I've had much better results with my Minc machine. This is what I found too. My Husband uses the Minc foil in a laminator at his work and he gets good results from that machine but the one we had at home gave absolutely rubbish results so I went out got a Minc on sale. We already owned a laser printer so it was no extra outlay for us but in terms of printers they are pretty cheap to buy and the ink last forever, we have the cheapest Brother laser printer and in Australia they were going for under $100 at the time. I have managed to get some super fine lines using the laser printer. I also have the foil quill for the silhouette and I don't really like using it compared to the Minc. I felt the same as wendifful did with the foil quill only being good for fine lines and outlines. I have enjoyed playing with clear gels and stencils with the heat reactive foil, it's a bit of quick fun for me when I am not feeling super creative and the finished product makes cards pop. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 5:27:40 GMT
I am wanting to get into foiling and am wondering the easiest way? I just tried this over the weekend: I put in a glue pen into the pen holder. Drew a lovely cut file. Waited a little til the glue got tacky. Pressed some foil on it. Ran it through my cuttlebug. Absolutely in love w/the results No foil pen system, No hot foil system, No muss/no fuss. Highly recommend. |
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Post by janesays on Nov 30, 2021 15:12:12 GMT
Love all the different foiling methods that have been mentioned here! One thing I haven’t seen mentioned yet is foiling on dimensional adhesive. I just learned about this a few weeks ago during the Crop & Create event. It’s from Thermoweb. Here’s a video on how to do it. It’s only one minute and thirty seconds long. That’s how easy it is to do! You can get the little tubes of deco foil at Hobby Lobby. You may be able to find the adhesive sheets there too but I ordered directly from Thermoweb. Thermoweb video |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:25:29 GMT
Love all the different foiling methods that have been mentioned here! One thing I haven’t seen mentioned yet is foiling on dimensional adhesive. I just learned about this a few weeks ago during the Crop & Create event. It’s from Thermoweb. I love this too. I do it for my sentiments. I cut them from the foam using some of my sentiment dies then foil them. They look great and they're a little raised, which I like the look of.
ETA: There's also the deco foil transfer gel - which you can put through stencils and foil.
I find, for me, foiling w/glue is pretty easy and cheap and I can use the dies/stencils/cut files I have to make some nice looking cards/embellishments.
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Post by scrappypeanut on Nov 30, 2021 15:34:53 GMT
I am wanting to get into foiling and am wondering the easiest way? I just tried this over the weekend: I put in a glue pen into the pen holder. Drew a lovely cut file. Waited a little til the glue got tacky. Pressed some foil on it. Ran it through my cuttlebug. Absolutely in love w/the results No foil pen system, No hot foil system, No muss/no fuss. Highly recommend. Interesting. So the holder on the silhouette holds a glue pen? Which glue pen specifically? |
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Post by scrappypeanut on Nov 30, 2021 15:35:53 GMT
You ladies have been such a great help, I thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:44:10 GMT
Interesting. So the holder on the silhouette holds a glue pen? Which glue pen specifically? There are silhouette "official" and then off-brand pen holders. I have the silhouette one. You can use any glue pen or pen to "draw" using the silhouette. You can use markers, gel pens, etc. I use the sakura glue pen. It works great. Here is a video on the pen holder: youtu.be/aiPrygl9FiQ |
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Post by cbet on Nov 30, 2021 16:08:26 GMT
Love all the different foiling methods that have been mentioned here! One thing I haven’t seen mentioned yet is foiling on dimensional adhesive. I just learned about this a few weeks ago during the Crop & Create event. It’s from Thermoweb. Here’s a video on how to do it. It’s only one minute and thirty seconds long. That’s how easy it is to do! You can get the little tubes of deco foil at Hobby Lobby. You may be able to find the adhesive sheets there too but I ordered directly from Thermoweb. Thermoweb videoI hadn't seen that - but I should be able to do the same thing with double-sided adhesive sheets (which I buy every time I see them on sale, it seems) and any kind of cardstock or chipboard - just cut so the adhesive sheet is on the front instead of the back (or, put it on both sides). I know that Glimmer-type foil works fine with double-sided tape, because that I've tried. So excited to try this . . . and mad at myself that I didn't think of it before. |
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Post by papersilly on Nov 30, 2021 19:31:52 GMT
Finally, with the foil quill, this is really only good if you're wanting thin outlines. Even with the bold tip pen, the lines you get aren't very thick. There are some ways around this, like using fills and inner offset, but even with that, you don't get quite the same solid look as the above two options. If you like really delicate designs, then this might be a great option for you. I tend to like more solid designs, so while I'm glad I have the foil quill, it's not my favorite. Additionally, it can be kind of a pain to get the foil on the paper correctly, as it needs to be in the right spot and also taped down very well/very smooth. (The WRMK magnetic mat doesn't work with all the Silhouette machines due to its thickness, and mine falls into that category. If you have a Cameo 3, it's supposed to work well.) i just bought the foil quill pens at Joann. the three pack with fine to bold tips. i haven't tried it yet but i'm glad i read your review of it. i've tried the toner foiling in the past and got curious about the pens. with the sale and stacking coupons, it was a great deal so i decided to buy it. |
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Post by wendifful on Dec 1, 2021 1:38:54 GMT
Finally, with the foil quill, this is really only good if you're wanting thin outlines. Even with the bold tip pen, the lines you get aren't very thick. There are some ways around this, like using fills and inner offset, but even with that, you don't get quite the same solid look as the above two options. If you like really delicate designs, then this might be a great option for you. I tend to like more solid designs, so while I'm glad I have the foil quill, it's not my favorite. Additionally, it can be kind of a pain to get the foil on the paper correctly, as it needs to be in the right spot and also taped down very well/very smooth. (The WRMK magnetic mat doesn't work with all the Silhouette machines due to its thickness, and mine falls into that category. If you have a Cameo 3, it's supposed to work well.) i just bought the foil quill pens at Joann. the three pack with fine to bold tips. i haven't tried it yet but i'm glad i read your review of it. i've tried the toner foiling in the past and got curious about the pens. with the sale and stacking coupons, it was a great deal so i decided to buy it. I hope you enjoy them! There's a channel on YouTube that has some great tutorials/comparisons that I watched when I first got mine, so here's the overview video, if it helps you. She also has specific videos for testing each pen with lots of different foils. |
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Post by wendifful on Dec 1, 2021 1:44:43 GMT
Interesting. So the holder on the silhouette holds a glue pen? Which glue pen specifically? There are silhouette "official" and then off-brand pen holders. I have the silhouette one. You can use any glue pen or pen to "draw" using the silhouette. You can use markers, gel pens, etc. I use the sakura glue pen. It works great. Here is a video on the pen holder: youtu.be/aiPrygl9FiQTo expand on what @zingermack said, if you don't already have a pen holder, I'd highly suggest going with a metal one by Chomas Creations. The plastic version that Silhouette sells is not very sturdy and cracked very quickly for me (apparently a common problem), making it so the pen wouldn't stay in place, so while it's cheaper up front (about $10), if it's a technique you're going to use a lot, I'd suggest a metal pen/marker holder. They're available on Amazon and run about $25ish. The only downside of the Chomas Creations ones is that because the holder is metal, it doesn't have the size "flexibility" that the Silhouette one does (the plastic version achieves this using different inserts), so if you want to use both pens (skinnier barrel) and markers (fatter barrel), you'd have to get both. You can read the reviews on Amazon to get an idea of which brands of pens work with each size. |
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Post by karinec on Dec 1, 2021 15:13:57 GMT
Such great info here, thanks ladies. I still struggle with my Minc but I don’t have a laser printer.
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Post by naby64 on Dec 1, 2021 16:11:56 GMT
@zingermack that is fabulous!! I hadn't thought of that at all. Something to try in the new year.
Now as to foiling, I started with a Scotch laminator. I printed stuff here at the office and used those to foil. I never had a problem with any of the images. A yr or so after the laminator purchase I found a Minc at a great price at TM, so of course it came home with me. Again, using the copier at the office with it's toner, no problem.
Then skip another year or so and I grabbed the Martha Stewart Hot Pen thing. Like the foiling pen from WRMK. While it works with the foil, the handwriting part was less than stellar. My handwriting. BUT just reading this thread yesterday got me thinking. I have some metal stencils that I could place on a page and use the pen with that. So just one more thing to try in the new year.
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You will need either a laminator or a Minc to apply the foil. I know that the big youtubers say that a laminator works fine, but I've had much better results with my Minc machine. Some companies also have foilable designs available (Thermo-Web is one; there's an Australian company called Crafty Critta that has quite a few of them) and you can get good results with those. 
You will need either a laminator or a Minc to apply the foil. I know that the big youtubers say that a laminator works fine, but I've had much better results with my Minc machine. Some companies also have foilable designs available (Thermo-Web is one; there's an Australian company called Crafty Critta that has quite a few of them) and you can get good results with those. 
