AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 4, 2021 16:52:25 GMT
Among the gun rabid and rights rabid, it’ll be interesting to watch who/if/how these “responsible gun owners” (“They didn’t break any laws!”) will be defended, considering the context of the son’s crime. Crimes. Will the word “scapegoats” trend? As a “responsible gun owner”, I am pretty sure majority of “responsible gun owners” are disgusted by these parents and are happy they are being charged. I hope you’re right. I hope gun owners are not only disgusted but believe these people are culpable. At the very least, I hope just as many gun owners decry these parents as decried an actor on a movie set. (btw: I think I got the crux of your reply, but I’m iffy on how to interpret your quotation marks. I used them to telegraph my skepticism, my opinion that the term “responsible gun owner” should NOT be used to describe these parents, even though they would use it to describe themselves and supporter would use it to describe the couple.) |
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Dec 4, 2021 16:59:21 GMT
I have many family members who are Trump loving, gun loving no gun control of any kind Republican Christians. I have gone to look at every single one of their facebook pages, and not ONE of them is saying anything about this. What are they talking about? Biden's gas prices, Biden's inflation, glee over the possibility of Roe v Wade being overturned. But nothing about this. No condemnation of these parents and how they give gun rights enthusiasts a bad name with their irresponsibility. NOTHING. I'm waiting for one of them to at least write, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." The right wing talking point is that it’s OK not to care about this because we haven’t also solved gun crime in Chicago. Chicago doesn’t actually have the worst gun crime in the US - not even close - but they love to use it as their bogeyman because Obama is from Chicago and Chicago has gun control laws, and it makes it easy to paint gun crime as a black, Democratic problem while ignoring all the white terrorists they’ve radicalized. But yeah. I’ll bet you a hundred dollars that if you ask one of them, they’ll say something along the lines of, I’ll start worrying about school shootings when Democrats do something about gang violence in Chicago. If they’re not quite that idiotic, then the other likely talking point will be something about this is what happens when you take Jesus out of the schools. Guns aren’t the problem, lack of Jesus is the problem. Best solved by instituting state religion. 🙄 Heh. And Amen. Just read this after I posted. I WAS going to mention Chicago in my reply but changed it to Alec Baldwin because - after 13 years - I’m just really tired of the laser-focus Chicago sturm and drang angst while cognitively gliding over mass shootings in schools and other venues. |
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Post by katlady on Dec 4, 2021 16:59:34 GMT
If you read the comments on FoxNews, many posters think it is wrong to charge the parents. They point to the fact that the parents of gang members are never charged with crimes on behalf of their child. They ignore the fact that the Crumbly’s provided their underage child with the gun. I would guess to say that most gang members obtain their guns illegally, not as a gift from their parents. They also bring up cars, saying if the child gets in an accident, the parents should then be liable. Yes! If the child is underage and you willingly gave them a car to drive, then the parent should also be held responsible. But, yes, people out there are trying to say the parents are not responsible.
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Post by Just T on Dec 4, 2021 17:06:53 GMT
Yes! If the child is underage and you willingly gave them a car to drive, then the parent should also be held responsible. But, yes, people out there are trying to say the parents are not responsible. I actually have a friend whose son died in a car accident with a 15 year old driver whose father let her take the car, full of her underage friends who all were killed, except the driver. He first tried to throw his own child under the bus and say they "stole" his car, but that wasn't true, and he is now serving a prison term. So yes, if a parent lets an underage person drive a car, and then that driver kills someone, then YES, that parent IS indeed responsible. |
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 4, 2021 17:20:27 GMT
Detroit. Hiding in a commercial building, owner of business turned them in. Their car was parked between lines by business. SWAT team went into building, searched and found them in particular business. It appears prearranged, unknown who actually let them into the building. To me it seems large building with separate business in it. (And no I did not stay up for this news. I set alarm to place a 3am order at Target. I got ALL that I wanted to order.. and the news conference. Now back to bed!!) Lego? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 4, 2021 17:25:37 GMT
Detroit. Hiding in a commercial building, owner of business turned them in. Their car was parked between lines by business. SWAT team went into building, searched and found them in particular business. It appears prearranged, unknown who actually let them into the building. To me it seems large building with separate business in it. (And no I did not stay up for this news. I set alarm to place a 3am order at Target. I got ALL that I wanted to order.. and the news conference. Now back to bed!!) Lego? Yes!!!! |
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 4, 2021 17:30:39 GMT
Yes! If the child is underage and you willingly gave them a car to drive, then the parent should also be held responsible. But, yes, people out there are trying to say the parents are not responsible. I actually have a friend whose son died in a car accident with a 15 year old driver whose father let her take the car, full of her underage friends who all were killed, except the driver. He first tried to throw his own child under the bus and say they "stole" his car, but that wasn't true, and he is now serving a prison term. So yes, if a parent lets an underage person drive a car, and then that driver kills someone, then YES, that parent IS indeed responsible. They are of course responsible, but are they held responsible and punished by the courts? I doubt it. We have seen time and time again people who leave unsecured guns not be charged when those guns are used by someone else to kill someone. I am glad these parents were caught without anyone else being hurt. I hope they serve a maximum sentence and that every adult who buys or gives or provides a gun to an underage child who then uses it to commit a crime is similarly charged and prosecuted. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 4, 2021 17:38:31 GMT
Skellinton They won't be able to claim they have a child at home who needs them!! Throw the book at them!!
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Post by maryland on Dec 4, 2021 18:51:00 GMT
If you read the comments on FoxNews, many posters think it is wrong to charge the parents. They point to the fact that the parents of gang members are never charged with crimes on behalf of their child. They ignore the fact that the Crumbly’s provided their underage child with the gun. I would guess to say that most gang members obtain their guns illegally, not as a gift from their parents. They also bring up cars, saying if the child gets in an accident, the parents should then be liable. Yes! If the child is underage and you willingly gave them a car to drive, then the parent should also be held responsible. But, yes, people out there are trying to say the parents are not responsible. I agree with you. I can't even read the comments, they would make me so mad! They probably want to protect the rights of the 15 yr. old murderer and his parents. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 4, 2021 20:03:12 GMT
Press conference 4:00pm EST
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 13:59:27 GMT
Among the gun rabid and rights rabid, it’ll be interesting to watch who/if/how these “responsible gun owners” (“They didn’t break any laws!”) will be defended, considering the context of the son’s crime. Crimes. Will the word “scapegoats” trend? As a “responsible gun owner”, I am pretty sure majority of “responsible gun owners” are disgusted by these parents and are happy they are being charged. But nothing will be done by “a majority of responsible gun owners” to change what’s happening. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 5, 2021 17:50:21 GMT
Dad bought the gun 4 days prior with terrorist with him. Terrorist later posted on IG about his new beauty. Mom made references about going to shoot with terrorist and his new Christmas present. Teacher caught terrorist looking at sites to buy ammo on his phone morning of shooting. Parents called to school. Declined to take him home. Mom also made a comment at some point between purchase of gun and shooting about she wasn't mad that he did something (look at the ammo maybe?) but that he just needed to be more careful and not get caught. After active shoot call was made mom texted terrorist not to do it. You forgot the part where he drew graphic pictures of a massacre. When later asked to show that drawing in the parent meeting, he had scratched out many of the images so it wasn’t as “bad”. The mom said she wasn’t mad that he got caught searching for ammo, just be more careful. The whole family is messed up. I assume there are no other siblings since I’ve heard nothing about them. From what I read, the dad has two older kids (18 and 24) with two other women. The mom of the 18yo said he was “a piece of shit” who balked at paying her $67 a month in court ordered child support while buying his other kid whatever he wanted, and that his current wife “is a monster.” |
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Post by silverlining on Dec 5, 2021 18:30:06 GMT
At the meeting with school staff before the shooting, the parents didn't mention that they had given a gun to their son, or ask their son if he had it at school. Then they refused to take him home. This is much more serious than just not storing the gun correctly. They knew that he was troubled and contemplating violence and might have a gun at school, but did nothing to protect other people or to protect their own son from killing himself, being killed by police, or being imprisoned for years.
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Post by msladibug on Dec 5, 2021 18:47:33 GMT
All that being said, the thought that went thru my head was …maybe they WANTED to be rid of their kid. Buy him a gun, knowing he was troubled, potential for violence. He’ll do some thing and he’ll go to jail/be killed by police and….they’re rid of him.
Didn’t think they themselves would be arrested. Just sayin’.
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Post by Merge on Dec 5, 2021 18:59:00 GMT
 *fewer. But hahahaha. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 5, 2021 22:04:08 GMT
The parents have shown the world why their son has issues!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 19:43:24 GMT
What the ever-loving #($*#($*(?!?!?!?! "Michigan school shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley has been appointed an attorney by the court after his parents hired their own high-profile legal team but not a lawyer to represent their son on his murder and terrorism charges. Paulette Michel Loftin, a little known defence attorney based out of Rochester, Detroit, was appointed by court officials on Thursday to represent the 15-year-old alleged mass shooter. Ms Loftin told the Detroit Free Press she had been appointed at the request of the teenager because he could not afford to hire his own attorney. Defendants are entitled to a court-appointed attorney, funded by the taxpayer, when they can prove they do not have the funds to pay for their defence themselves. But, while the suspect’s parents Jennifer and James Crumbley appeared to choose not to foot their son’s legal bill, they took the step to hire two high-powered attorneys to represent themselves before they purportedly went on the run last week." www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ethan-crumbley-oxford-school-shooting-b1971470.html |
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Post by katlady on Dec 7, 2021 19:46:05 GMT
Parents of the year!!
I read that they used to go out drinking when the kid was around 8 or 9 and leave him home alone. Neighbors called CPS on them but nothing ever happened.
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Post by busy on Dec 7, 2021 22:10:06 GMT
I bet they had tons of NRA- and/or GOP-backed attorneys willing to represent them at no cost to the Crumbleys. I'm sure both groups are quivering in their boots about the legal precedent like them being found guilty would set.
I doubt many attorneys are chomping at the bit to represent a school shooter pro bono.
They're disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 0:31:52 GMT
He needs to go to prison for a long, long time.
That said, I kind of feel bad for him, having parents like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 0:39:23 GMT
Neighbors called CPS on them but nothing ever happened. Over-stretched. Under-staffed. Under-paid. Billionaires gotta keep their billions. |
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Post by casii on Dec 8, 2021 0:53:02 GMT
I believe Colorado has a law for gun owners who don't secure their weapons. This father was charged after his child brought a gun to school. Student AND father charged |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 1:07:30 GMT
"Ms. McDonald said she did not set out to break new legal ground — charging parents of a minor in a mass shooting is highly unusual — but she now views the case as potentially part of something bigger, a new frontline effort to promote responsible gun ownership. She calls it “a brand-new way of approaching school shootings,” one that she hopes can help course correct the system’s past failures in deterring the killings.The Oxford case has catapulted Ms. McDonald, 51, from an obscure prosecutor in her first year on the job to a national figure, one who appears frequently on news programs making her case for tougher gun control. Her decision to prosecute the Crumbleys resonates with victims, including Michele Gay, who lost her youngest daughter, Josephine, in the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., that killed 26 children and adults. “We do have to put it all out on the table every time, as painful as it is, and look at every possibility that would have mitigated this, stopped this,” said Ms. Gay, who founded the organization Safe and Sound Schools after her daughter’s death in 2012." www.nytimes.com/2021/12/10/us/michigan-school-shooting-prosecutor.htmlLet's do this. Let's put the "responsible" back in "responsible gun ownership"! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2021 1:15:54 GMT
The advantage to McDonald's case is that the documentation points right back to the parents. The parents dropped the ball all the way, all the way to abandoning their son when he was sitting in a jail cell. Proving their very bad parenting..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 1:24:04 GMT
The advantage to McDonald's case is that the documentation points right back to the parents. The parents will try to weasel out by blaming the school. And there might be enough blame to go around to both parents and school. But parents, first and foremost. They were the ones who KNEW about the gun! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 11, 2021 18:24:41 GMT
Interesting. I guess the school is trying to cover things up... Or so it seems!!! School officials destroying evidence in wake of mass shooting at Oxford High, lawyer says2021/12/10 17:24 (EST) © The Detroit News DETROIT — Oxford Community School officials are destroying social media pages and other evidence that lawyers for siblings who survived last week's mass shooting want preserved, according to a federal court filing Friday. Lawyers asked U.S. District Judge Mark Goldsmith to order school officials to preserve the evidence and have social media companies restore deleted profiles and other information. Attorney Nora Hanna cited several pieces of missing or destroyed information, including one defendant’s LinkedIn profile and a listing of high school administrators from the school website. "Not only did defendants fail to take necessary steps to preserve the evidence, but they willfully destructed the evidence by deleting the webpages and social media accounts," Hanna wrote. "Plaintiffs cannot continue to be blindsided by the defendants by having to search for what evidence is being destroyed or altered." *** Some of the biggest requests are made of the school district, asking it to produce all files on the alleged shooter, video footage made of the suspect's family, any correspondence addressing potential threats and all employment records of all counselors, teachers and staff of the school. nordot.app/842165413618860032 |
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