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Post by freecharlie on Dec 5, 2021 20:57:20 GMT
The heartbreak is overwhelming at times. The loneliness. And he fucking feels nothing because he spends his days and nights talking to her.
My life is over as I know it. I'm worried about my kids and my pets and my house and my life. He's worried about beer and her.
I'm keeping the house up, buying groceries (for ds and me) and making dinner for ds and me. I'm making sure ds has what he needs for school and is staying on track. I'm trying to make Christmas and life normal.
And he's drinking and talking to her.
How the fuck is this fair?
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Post by Just T on Dec 5, 2021 21:00:21 GMT
Dear freecharlie, I am so sorry for what you are going through. I truly am. I haven't posted about it, but I am in a very similar situation with my husband of 35years. And it totally f*ing sucks. Hang in there and just keep telling yourself, "f*ck you, Mr. freecharlie" in your head a million times a day. It doesn't change anything, but I feel good doing it anyway.
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Post by 950nancy on Dec 5, 2021 21:01:10 GMT
It isn't fair. Add to that he could not have done it at a worse time (IMO). I really hope the whole thing just blows up in his face. He sucks. The only thing I can tell you is that you have a lot of people in your corner praying for you, sending you good thoughts, and hoping that by next time this year, you are in a much better place. The only thing I've got is do the next right thing. It will get you through. I am glad you have your parents close by too.
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Post by scrapmaven on Dec 5, 2021 21:07:42 GMT
It's really unfair and it's just wrong. Have you started therapy, yet? Having that safe place to figure things out and heal is essential for you. Your life feels like it's over, but it truly has just begun. Your ex isn't winning here. He isn't happy. He's not feeling anything, because he's drinking through the mess that he has made of his life. Your ex is delusional. Alcoholics aren't happy. They use the beer to be pretend happy. Your ex and the other woman have a relationship is based upon lies and beer. Gee, they must be beyond happy. NOT! On the other hand, you are very honest and have lots of things to look fwd to in your life. Impossible as it may seem, you have a lot of good stuff in your future. Right now, you're doing the best you can. Trying to make Christmas special for your ds is part of living as-if. In time you'll be enjoying special stuff, too. Keep focusing on healing. You can find moments in your life to enjoy, this season, as well. What are you giving yourself for Christmas? Plan some fun stuff for you and ds. Plan something that you can look fwd to. Please don't give up when you have so much happiness in your future. The holidays must be so painful right now, but they won't always be like this. Remember that next year you'll be consoling and advising peas who are going through divorce during the holidays. If need be read the posts from divorced peas who are thriving. That will you be you.
Just T, my words apply to you, as well. Perhaps you can support eachother through this mess.
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Post by Lexica on Dec 5, 2021 21:09:41 GMT
With this happening during the holidays, it makes it seem more painful, if that is even possible. Do your best to stop thinking about what he is doing. That only brings you more stress. Instead, focus on what you want out of the remainder of your life. Right now, you have open possibilities to make your life whatever you want it to be. There is nothing stopping you from putting yourself first and making choices that are all about you. Travel? New hobbies? What desires have you put on hold because you didn't think it would happen? Now it can! You are at the fresh beginning of a whole new life! It is exciting. Sure thoughts of your old life will creep in. That is only natural. But every time it does, push yourself to think about your new life. Start making plans. Start investigating possibilities. What will bring you joy?
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Post by rgibson on Dec 5, 2021 21:10:36 GMT
How the fuck is this fair? It isn't fair. None of this is fair. And it will probably get a little worse once the lawyers start but hang on, it really will get better for you and your ds. Your son no doubt appreciates what you are doing to keep his world from completely crashing around him. You have your priorities right and you have the strength and the determination to continue move forward and carve out a new life for you and your kids. You also have all of us pulling for you as well, and I'm sure, a bunch of friends and family in real life. Your soon to be ex is going to crash and his behaviour now is pretty much ensuring no one is going to want to be around to pick up the pieces.
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Post by silverlining on Dec 5, 2021 21:11:35 GMT
He's investing his time in beer and a woman who's married to someone else and lives far away. You're investing in yourself and your own future and in a good relationship with your son who's there with you right now. I'm absolutely sure that your investments will pay off to a much happier future.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 5, 2021 21:13:10 GMT
I'm not going to have the money to do anything I would want to do and I won't have anybody to do it with. Teacher salaries in Colorado aren't great and housing market is nuts.
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Post by wellway on Dec 5, 2021 21:14:38 GMT
My friend's experience mirrors yours, okay one day, on the floor the next, new problems she never thought she would have to deal with, some light moments. Like you, she put her children first, two had very big exams approaching and she was determined to make choices that supported their education. A year on, still waiting for the divorce to be finalised she is a stronger, a bit bruised but with a plan and a future that she is looking forward to, that future has her choices and her interest at its heart and life whilst different is looking better.
She wouldn't have him back if he crawled over broken glass. She knows her worth and it's more than he could ever match.
Honestly, it sounds like you got the best of your dh, she seems to be getting a shadow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2021 21:16:00 GMT
I'm so sorry. It's totally not fair. It super sucks right now. But it will get better eventually. You are strong and smart and doing what is best for your family, he isn't.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 5, 2021 21:16:47 GMT
He's investing his time in beer and a woman who's married to someone else and lives far away. You're investing in yourself and your own future and in a good relationship with your son who's there with you right now. I'm absolutely sure that your investments will pay off to a much happier future. except he has zero fricking consequences. He doesn't see the kids turmoil because they hide it well, hell he barely sees them at all. He doesn't care about the hurt he's caused me or our families. Ugh...this sucks
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Post by luckyjune on Dec 5, 2021 21:18:24 GMT
It's not fair. Not one ounce of it. But it is your current situation and for that, I'm so sorry. You are keeping up with everything because that is what a responsible grown up does. Your not-so-DH is not being an adult right now. He's thinking with the wrong body part.
I think he's in for all kinds of issues. I think it is highly unlikely she's going to leave her family and move to him. It may be fun to sneak around and talk about it, but when it's time for forward motion, I highly doubt it's gonna happen. Basically, he'll have ruined his life and it's his own damn fault.
You, on the other hand, will be free of his assholian ways and on your way to living your very best life, whatever that turns out to be. Just keep being there for your ds and keep your eyes on that new life you get to build. Peas got your back, sister! (((hug)))
ETA: I saw what you wrote about teacher salaries in CO. Come on up to WA, where the housing market is also out of control, but teachers are paid fairly well. Low six figures, if you've put in enough years. And your experience/years from other states are counted in your salary placement.
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Post by maryland on Dec 5, 2021 21:18:36 GMT
I am so sorry for the position you are in and the financial issues ahead. Thinking about you.
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Post by christine58 on Dec 5, 2021 21:22:21 GMT
except he has zero fricking consequences. He doesn't see the kids turmoil because they hide it well, hell he barely sees them at all. He doesn't care about the hurt he's caused me or our families. Take his ASS to the F-ing cleaners. Seriously--he wants out---make him pay for it. Asshole. There will be consequences...just wait and see. There always is and at times it takes a few minutes.
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Post by scrapmaven on Dec 5, 2021 21:23:08 GMT
Oh, he'll have consequences. He's living a horrible life and is completely oblivious to how awful it is. Do you trust your lawyer? What is your lawyer telling you about finances? It's your attorney's job to get you as much money as possible. You hired a lawyer to fight and fight hard.
Somehow, I just don't think your dh is headed twd happiness. I think he's headed twds a big drunken and cheating crash. What does he have to look fwd to? A woman who cheats? Rehab? No one to love him? I don't think he's going to fare very well here. Frankly, I don't care how he does. I care about you and where you're going. You have so much support and this board is full of women w/great ideas about how to enjoy your life, despite financial challenges. It might feel like everything is being taken away from you. You are going to have much more than you are giving up. Believe me.
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Post by luckyjune on Dec 5, 2021 21:24:37 GMT
except he has zero fricking consequences. He doesn't see the kids turmoil because they hide it well, hell he barely sees them at all. He doesn't care about the hurt he's caused me or our families. Take his ASS to the F-ing cleaners. Seriously--he wants out---make him pay for it. Asshole. There will be consequences...just wait and see. There always is and at times it takes a few minutes. This cannot be overstated.
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Post by rgibson on Dec 5, 2021 21:39:45 GMT
he has zero fricking consequences. Oh but he will. And he will have no fricking clue what to do when this fantasy world comes crashing down. When I was dealing with this crap, the folks on surviving infidelity kept reminding me about that four letter word - time. I hated hearing it sometimes; I just wanted it all to be over and I wanted to be on the other side living my happily ever after. But I had to be patient, all the pieces had to be reassembled and glued back together and that takes time, that dreaded word, for it all to happen if it is to be done right. I'm not going to have the money to do anything I would want to do and I won't have anybody to do it with. Teacher salaries in Colorado aren't great and housing market is nuts. I was in this boat as well except I had never worked beyond entry level positions as we moved every two or three years, usually across provinces but occasionally across oceans too. I admit, there are still times when I get mad about the inequality of it all - she just swept in and has the secure future I had put my blood, sweat and tears into creating. The ex makes a very generous salary and I am making minimum wage. But I am remarried to a very kind, loving and fun man and I never expected that to happen. He is not rich by any stretch but we have a wonderful life together. It isn't the life I envisioned before the ex blew up my world, but it is a really great life. Your new world is hard to imagine right now. Right now it's about making that next step, just minute by minute. Eventually you will get there - you'll suddenly find that it's been maybe 15 minutes since crap thoughts were crowding your head. But it takes time, that bloody four letter word.
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Post by lucyg on Dec 5, 2021 21:40:23 GMT
It absolutely isn’t fair. But things will get better. I promise they will. You will feel good about yourself when this is over and you get some distance.
And meanwhile, make sure you have a cut-throat lawyer and get everything you can out of this divorce. Don’t start feeling sorry for him. Don’t let him guilt you into backing off.
Remember we love you.
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 5, 2021 21:42:11 GMT
He's investing his time in beer and a woman who's married to someone else and lives far away. You're investing in yourself and your own future and in a good relationship with your son who's there with you right now. I'm absolutely sure that your investments will pay off to a much happier future. except he has zero fricking consequences. He doesn't see the kids turmoil because they hide it well, hell he barely sees them at all. He doesn't care about the hurt he's caused me or our families. Ugh...this sucks It may seem like he is consequence free, but I assure you he isn’t. He will likely lose a decent relationship with your kids and I doubt he is in for a long and healthy relationship with the cheater pants woman he thinks he is in love with. Even if the two of them do end up happily ever after you can’t let him steal another moment of your happiness. I know it is easier said the done, but try to focus on the things you can control and focus on yourself and your kids. Try not to give what he is doing another thought. Put any extra energy you have to doing things that make you feel good. My parents divorced over 40 years ago and my mom has never remarried, but she has a wonderful life where she worked at a job she loved and was good at, traveled extensively, and cultivated a wonderful relationship with her kids and grand nieces and nephews. I doubt she would say for one minute she is sorry she and my dad divorced. My dad is fine, but I can’t imagine he was any picnic to live with and she was in charge of her own happiness. I know (from grandparents) how hard it was for her when they initially divorced, but she came out on the other side better and I know you will too.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 5, 2021 21:45:37 GMT
except he has zero fricking consequences. He doesn't see the kids turmoil because they hide it well, hell he barely sees them at all. He doesn't care about the hurt he's caused me or our families. Take his ASS to the F-ing cleaners. Seriously--he wants out---make him pay for it. Asshole. There will be consequences...just wait and see. There always is and at times it takes a few minutes. Exactly. He wants out? You need to move on? Give him the out and take his money. Have your lawyer draw up a proposal with the only good thing for him is that he walks away and does it now. You want the house free and clear. You want part of his retirement and half of your savings (including investments). One thing that I always tell friends in this situation. In the military, a divorce will get the spouse half of the retirement after 20 years. 25% after 10 years. If the government can recognize the sacrifice a spouse can put into a military marriage, so can a civilian court.
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Post by emelle64 on Dec 5, 2021 21:50:22 GMT
I am so so sorry. I have been where you are and it truly is a sense of brokenness. I would encourage you to find a really good counselor who can support you through this awful time. I also surrounded myself with a great group of women friends. One of the things my counselor has helped me realize is how much grief I have experienced. I have lost so much of what I imagined my life to be and I’ve lost what I thought I had in my marriage. Grief is messy and there’s no timeline but time is a great healer.
I know I’m just a stranger on the Internet, but I want you to know that you’ll be in my thoughts and my prayers in the days ahead. Be kind to yourself.
Emelle
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Post by fuji on Dec 5, 2021 21:55:32 GMT
Any chance you can take the boys and go somewhere warm or just away for Christmas? It could just be for Christmas weekend, but it allows you to not have to think about how to do Christmas this year/how Christmas was in the past when you're feeling so broken. New scenery and time with the boys might provide a good respite. He can sit in the basement on the phone with his hoochie mama and start seeing what he's giving up. You can figure out new traditions next Christmas. You'll be a year out and in a better place. Hugs to you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Dec 5, 2021 21:56:18 GMT
The heartbreak is overwhelming at times. The loneliness. And he fucking feels nothing because he spends his days and nights talking to her. My life is over as I know it. I'm worried about my kids and my pets and my house and my life. He's worried about beer and her. I'm keeping the house up, buying groceries (for ds and me) and making dinner for ds and me. I'm making sure ds has what he needs for school and is staying on track. I'm trying to make Christmas and life normal. And he's drinking and talking to her. How the fuck is this fair? It’s not. He’s a butthole. Do your kids know he has a side piece and us a cheater? Do for you and your son. Keep the prick away from you.
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Post by lesley on Dec 5, 2021 22:00:13 GMT
I know you can’t imagine a new and different life from the one you’ve had, and the one you expected still to have. It’s really difficult when everything is just turned upside down. And it really isn’t fair. But you’re feeling the pain at the moment, whereas his crashing realisation will come sometime in the future when he understands what he’s lost. Maybe this woman will move to be with him, maybe she won’t. Either way, there’s a good chance he has irrevocably damaged his relationship with your sons. And you haven’t. Life won’t necessarily be easier this time next year. And it might still hurt for years to come. My XDH had messaged me to say he was dropping off stuff last night on the way to visit his mum. (He lives 400 miles south of me, she lives 150 miles north.) I very graciously suggested that he and his long term SO stay for dinner and he readily agreed, because I am an excellent cook and he misses my food. However, when they arrived it turned out the SO had other ideas. She had packed soup for them to eat in their hotel room (which they hoped would have a microwave. ) XDH didn’t think to tell me this in advance, so the meal I had prepared had to be bagged up and put in the freezer, and I bawled my eyes out while I was doing it. I had no idea why. When my son was hugging my sobbing self, it came to me that I don’t begrudge XDH being happy and settled, I just wish I was too. But our marriage was completely dead by the time we separated, so being happy could never have happened with him. We’ve been separated for six years now, and generally life is much better. But there are still moments when I mourn the life I thought I would have. There will be lots of ups and downs in the coming years freecharlie. It will start with fewer of the former than the latter, but you will persevere and hopefully turn that around. The only thing I would recommend (and it will seem impossible at the moment), is to try not to be bitter. Hate him just now but try not to let that hatred take over your life. Hugs.
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Post by rgibson on Dec 5, 2021 22:02:02 GMT
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 5, 2021 22:06:11 GMT
He's investing his time in beer and a woman who's married to someone else and lives far away. You're investing in yourself and your own future and in a good relationship with your son who's there with you right now. I'm absolutely sure that your investments will pay off to a much happier future. except he has zero fricking consequences. He doesn't see the kids turmoil because they hide it well, hell he barely sees them at all. He doesn't care about the hurt he's caused me or our families. Ugh...this sucks I wouldn’t be surprised if his problems show up later. The drinking is a big problem. Not paying attention to his kids might become a problem later on. You are doing all of the right things. And you have people who care about you. You will get through this and will come out on the other side.
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Post by scrappinmama on Dec 5, 2021 22:08:28 GMT
He's investing his time in beer and a woman who's married to someone else and lives far away. You're investing in yourself and your own future and in a good relationship with your son who's there with you right now. I'm absolutely sure that your investments will pay off to a much happier future. Perfectly said! Freecharlie, I'm so sorry you are going through this. But you are doing what is best for you and your son.
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Post by 16joy on Dec 5, 2021 22:11:25 GMT
I know someone who divorced in Colorado. They had to split assets and he still had to pay her 3k per month for seven years. I believe it was called maintenance. She worked in the school system and he had a nice paying job.
One of my favorite Christmas memories is each year my dad and I going to pick out the Christmas tree. He took me to several lots and then I decided which was best. He loaded the tree up and we would swing by Krystal to get a sack full burgers before heading home. He never got tired of holding trees up so I could inspect it. Actually, that is probably my favorite memory Of all Christmas memories that occurred each year until I got married.
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Post by imsirius on Dec 5, 2021 22:16:27 GMT
It's not fair but you have to focus on the fact that when you get out, it will be SO MUCH BETTER,
No more walking on eggshells. No more wondering what he's up to. No more feeling the tension and stress.
It will be all worth it in the end xx
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Post by christinec68 on Dec 5, 2021 22:38:50 GMT
There is absolutely nothing fair about this. 🤬
Thinking of you. ❤️
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