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Post by anonaname on Dec 10, 2021 19:17:34 GMT
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Post by Merge on Dec 10, 2021 19:25:10 GMT
I raised my girls not to tolerate fascists who see them as second class citizens with fewer rights than a corpse. Live with it.
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Post by casii on Dec 10, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
I mean, one party wants to impose their control on others. If someone is pushing their religion, they're trying to control my body if I were raped, to continue to insist that 'their guy' won even though it's abundantly clear that Biden won, refuse to mask/vaccinate, to threaten school board members/teachers/local elected officials, to post family Christmas cards in front of the tree while holding rifles while a community mourns a school shooting, to post unending berating posts on social media about a woman (who enjoys cooking) buying a cooking tool with her own money while ignoring the cost to the nation of endless golf trips that lined the pockets of Trump, to believe that the criminals who stormed the Capitol were just tourists who happened to chant about hanging Pence whilst they shat upon the floors and pissed on the walls...
Well, I can understand their inclination. But do go on about how the GOP is the party of whatever you believe it to be.
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Post by Just T on Dec 10, 2021 19:27:24 GMT
Did they do a similar survey of young Republicans to see if they feel the same about dating Democrats?
And I can be tolerant of people who are Republicans, even be friends with them, but if it is someone to date/marry? I suspect with the way everyone is so divided these days that it would be extremely difficult to want to marry someone who had such drastically opposing beliefs from yours. It doesn't mean you aren't tolerant.
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Post by pilcas on Dec 10, 2021 19:28:02 GMT
I think certain things should not be tolerated.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Dec 10, 2021 19:34:49 GMT
You are twisting what tolerance is applied to. Tolerance for others opinions, religions, life choices, etc yes. Tolerance for hate, bigotry, racism, sexism, womanizing etc...big fat fucking NO!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 19:40:36 GMT
Here's the thing, qanon-ers et al.....
The RIGHT wants to TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS to please their unprovable god.
The LEFT wants to ENSURE THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS to please their fellow humans.
The RIGHT says "YOU can't have same sex marriage!"
The LEFT says "You do you. You don't want a same sex marriage, no problem. But, in commerce and places of PUBLIC accommodations, you WILL treat everyone equally.
The RIGHT says "YOU can't have an abortion"
The LEFT says "You do you. You don't ever want an abortion, no problem. But you will NOT FORCE OTHERS to give up the right to their organs and their use."
The RIGHT says "YOU must say this prayer to my unprovable god before school"
The LEFT says "You do you. You want to pray in school, have at it. Meet your friends. Pray yourself sill. But you will NOT FORCE OTHERS to pray your prayers".
The RIGHT is about FORCING YOU to live by THEIR BELIEFS. The LEFT is about each person finding the way that works for them w/o stepping on the rights of others.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 10, 2021 19:41:06 GMT
Given how extreme the GOP has become, this does not surprise me at all. I remember reading about young people who had worked for the previous administration. They were essentially ostracized.
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 10, 2021 19:41:26 GMT
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Post by anonaname on Dec 10, 2021 19:43:42 GMT
Did they do a similar survey of young Republicans to see if they feel the same about dating Democrats? The poll was conducted with both sides of the fence, so, yes. I refer you to the graph above.
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Post by anonaname on Dec 10, 2021 19:44:58 GMT
You are twisting what tolerance is applied to. Tolerance for others opinions, religions, life choices, etc yes. Tolerance for hate, bigotry, racism, sexism, womanizing etc... big fat fucking NO!Possibly but, Axios is the one doing the poll. I just think it's ironic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 19:52:32 GMT
Ps - Intolerance of intolerance is in line with tolerance.
Like -(-3) = 3
or
Not not wet = wet
You're welcome.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 10, 2021 19:54:57 GMT
I'm doubtful in a poll of 850 college students you can find enough republicans to be statistically significant. I'd love to see the actual numbers, but there's no link to the data of the study.
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Post by fotos4u2 on Dec 10, 2021 20:25:17 GMT
Personally I find my younger family members more tolerant than the older ones. The older generation equates being Republican with being a Trump supporter who is racist, trying to get rid of everyone's rights, staunch pro-gun... While my younger family members know that not all Republicans are believe this (we know quite a few staunch Republicans who do not support Trump). That being said it's unlikely they would MARRY or probably even date someone who was Republican because their values probably aren't going to line up. They have no problems shopping at, working for, and being friends with Republicans as a whole.
We live in a fairly conservative area so we actually experience the opposite of the poll results. My youngest is a crazy colored hair, septum pierced, liberal hippy and a few of her friends parents strongly discourage their kids from hanging out with her and definitely wouldn't let their child date/marry her. My other two kids fly under the radar so most don't realize they are as liberal as they are until they really spend time talking to them.
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Post by scorpeao on Dec 10, 2021 20:28:00 GMT
Uhm, considering the Republicans are aligning themselves with Trump, a terrible human being, I am a 49 year who feels the same way as the college students. Trump is going to bring this country down, and you're a damn fool if you support him.
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Post by fotos4u2 on Dec 10, 2021 20:29:27 GMT
I'm doubtful in a poll of 850 college students you can find enough republicans to be statistically significant. I'd love to see the actual numbers, but there's no link to the data of the study. It would probably also be important to note if they focused on a particular college town. I mean you're going to get different answers from someone who attends UC Berkeley over say Liberty University. I would bet highly the latter would skew the results Republican.
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Post by peabay on Dec 10, 2021 20:33:25 GMT
"opposing Presidential candidate" would mean Trump and that makes me proud of that 71%.
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Post by pierogi on Dec 10, 2021 20:39:39 GMT
I'm doubtful in a poll of 850 college students you can find enough republicans to be statistically significant. I'd love to see the actual numbers, but there's no link to the data of the study. It would probably also be important to note if they focused on a particular college town. I mean you're going to get different answers from someone who attends UC Berkeley over say Liberty University. I would bet highly the latter would skew the results Republican. I used to lurk on the Liberty U. subreddit during the last administration. Trump was nowhere near as popular as you’d think. I was surprised to see how much problems the students had with him from a Christian standpoint. Apparently those kids were actual Christians, not the fake Republican kind. They were disturbed by their psycho college president as well. I have a lot of hope for the generations coming up.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Dec 10, 2021 20:47:31 GMT
You are twisting what tolerance is applied to. Tolerance for others opinions, religions, life choices, etc yes. Tolerance for hate, bigotry, racism, sexism, womanizing etc... big fat fucking NO!Possibly but, Axios is the one doing the poll. I just think it's ironic. No don’t put your gaslighting on the article. You chose to post it with that comment.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Dec 10, 2021 20:50:50 GMT
Possibly but, Axios is the one doing the poll. I just think it's ironic. No don’t put your gaslighting on the article. You chose to post it with that comment. That's seems to be a constant problem...the gaslighting I mean. Always wanting us to tolerate their intolerance of so many things. It's almost like...they have no idea what tolerance really is. I feel like this is a bad joke.
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Post by mollycoddle on Dec 10, 2021 21:12:28 GMT
It would probably also be important to note if they focused on a particular college town. I mean you're going to get different answers from someone who attends UC Berkeley over say Liberty University. I would bet highly the latter would skew the results Republican. I used to lurk on the Liberty U. subreddit during the last administration. Trump was nowhere near as popular as you’d think. I was surprised to see how much problems the students had with him from a Christian standpoint. Apparently those kids were actual Christians, not the fake Republican kind. They were disturbed by their psycho college president as well. I have a lot of hope for the generations coming up. I agree. The young people that I know seem to be better people than my friends and I were in our 20s. Maybe I just know a lot of exceptional youngs, but I don’t think so.
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Post by maryannscraps on Dec 10, 2021 21:17:28 GMT
Most young democrats I know don't want to spend any time or effort with someone with anti-LGBTQ leanings. Since it's actually in the republican platform, I can understand their not wanting to go on a date or be friends with someone with that viewpoint. I'm old, and I won't be friends with people who oppose the existence, rights, and equality of my gay son. It's the main reason I left the Catholic church.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2021 21:18:08 GMT
pps - for those interested in the philosophy read up on the Tolerance Paradox.... "Karl Popper described it as the seemingly paradoxical idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance"I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal." So, when the young are intolerant of intolerance it is because they are working for a tolerant society.
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 10, 2021 21:55:27 GMT
This thread, right here, is the reason I hate so many people right now.
I’m over tolerating bullshit, especially inflammatory bullshit posted by resurrected members who are too chickenshit to own their history.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2021 21:57:26 GMT
There are plenty of other polls showing Republicans are intolerant of Democrats. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/02/10/most-republicans-see-democrats-not-political-opponents-enemies/Most Republicans see Democrats not as political opponents but as enemies The gap between the two parties on this question is stark. There’s a 32-point difference on net between how Democrats view Republicans and vice versa, on a question positing that members of a political party might be viewed with overt hostility. It’s grim — and it is consistent with increasingly hostile partisan views over time.
As in the CBS poll, Democrats’ views of Republicans tend to be a bit more positive. When presented with an opportunity to opine on the characteristics of those in the opposing party, Democrats were more likely than Republicans to say their opponents were closed-minded — but Republicans were significantly more likely to say Democrats were unpatriotic, immoral or lazy. www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/10/10/how-partisans-view-each-other/
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Post by purplebee on Dec 10, 2021 22:02:18 GMT
I raised my girls not to tolerate fascists who see them as second class citizens with fewer rights than a corpse. Live with it. I don’t have girls, but this.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2021 22:18:57 GMT
Today's Republican Party led by Trump is actively engaged in destroying our democracy, voter suppression, led an insurrection, falsely claimed election fraud (but only at the top of the ticket), embraces white supremacy, restricts women's reproductive rights and choices over their own body. Therefore, it's not surprising that people who strongly oppose all of those views would not want to date, work for, support businesses etc. with anyone who is on the Republican side.
We're no longer talking about a party of small government and fiscal conservatives.
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Post by oliquig on Dec 10, 2021 22:20:07 GMT
Sorry, but this isn’t I prefer the beach to the mountains for vacations.
This is, I believe POC/LGBTQIA/women/poor people don’t deserve the same rights and privileges of white, cisgender, wealthy people. And if they don’t believe it they certainly vote for and support people who do, who prove it by voting against equal voting rights and for anything that strips the first group of their rights. Why on earth would someone who believes all humans should be treated equally want to date/work for/deal with anyone who doesn’t believe the same.
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Post by Just T on Dec 10, 2021 22:22:03 GMT
Today's Republican Party led by Trump is actively engaged in voter suppression, led an insurrection, falsely claimed election fraud (but only at the top of the ticket), embraces white supremacy, restricts women's reproductive rights and choices over their own body. Therefore, it's not surprising that people who strongly oppose all of those views would not want to date, work for, support businesses etc. with anyone who is on the Republican side. We're no longer talking about a party of small government and fiscal conservatives. And just because you don't want to date someone who believes in denying rights to other people, or work for them, or even be friends with them, doesn't mean you "despise" the person. I know quite a few people that I don't want to be friends with for various reasons, and I don't even know their political beliefs. I just don't want to be friends with them. Doesn't mean I despise them.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 10, 2021 22:34:39 GMT
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