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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 18:46:28 GMT
So is it making the news in the USA? No doubt it is. Here it is set to be the dominant strain within a day or two...it is clearly incredibly transmissible. It already accounts for 20% of cases in England. Disappointingly 2 doses of vaccine aren't thought to be sufficient to protect us so the NHS is massively ramping up the booster programme to try and get as many people protected as possible in coming weeks. While there is no definitive data yet on the severity of the illness it causes if (as one scientist says) everyone will get it at some point, if even a small number get more severely ill that's still going to equate to a lot of people and a massive strain on the medical services. Rumours and hints are talking about further restrictions, the possibility of family bubbles again and so on. Bloody Covid! sleepingbooty - how's it looking in France? sueg - does Germany have many cases now?
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Post by MichyM on Dec 13, 2021 18:52:39 GMT
I noticed that over the last week a BUNCH of shows in NYC shut down for a few days because of COVID. While I'm guessing, I spoke with my son who lives there and we both believe that Omicron is firmly entrenched out there. He and his partner come out here Wednesday night and unfortunately the three of us will test at the airport before they get into my car. 2021 holidayzzzzzz. Much better than 2020, but still not great.
There is a big push in my area (Seattle) for folks to get the booster ASAP. I am very grateful I was able to get mine about 6 weeks ago.
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Post by sueg on Dec 13, 2021 19:03:15 GMT
I don’t know what our Omicron level is, but it is here. Overall though, Germany’s number of cases has been decreasing steadily over the past couple of weeks, so who knows what’s going on. The decrease does coincide with the introduction of harsher restrictions, so maybe they are having the desired effect. Vaccination of younger children - 5 to 11YOs - officially starts this week, which will hopefully help. Our booster program is also ramping up, with nearly one quarter of the population having had a booster shot already.
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 19:05:54 GMT
Our numbers had been stable or declining recently too sueg, it's so disheartening feeling like we'd come so far and now...here we are again
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Post by Merge on Dec 13, 2021 19:15:36 GMT
It's firmly entrenched in the US also. We've seen a slight uptick in cases here at school, and I'm sure this is part of the reason why. No one has been seriously ill. I'm pinning my hopes on this one being less severe than other strains, as they're finding in South Africa. apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-africa-south-africa-southern-africa-bd7a30e490c407b8d84afef5ac9e203eI suspect this will end up being like the flu, where some years are worse than others for disease severity, and you just get your shot every year and go on with life. I can tell you the US does not have the political will for another shutdown of any kind. Schools will not close. A far better mitigation strategy at this point would be to require printed proof of vaccine for school and also for air travel, both domestic and international. There is frankly no need to shut down schools where every child is eligible for a vaccine and they're readily available. I'd venture that my school is already at 70% vaccination for kids and most of the rest will get it at winter break. I work in a very vaccine compliant area. Our next best strategy is to vaccinate the developing world. There are some people in our countries who will never get the vaccine. Time to put the screws to them in terms of being able to attend school and travel, and if that doesn't do it, move on and worry about people who want to be vaccinated.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 13, 2021 19:22:14 GMT
Too many are fighting the private company vaccine mandates, while they blame Biden for not stopping Covid.
So much for pro-life... Let them die...
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 19:25:59 GMT
Merge - I hope that report is backed up by others saying the same thing soon when it's had more time to work through more of our populations! I'm not sure the UK would tolerate a full lockdown again either...already the hospitality business is suffering again because of people's fear factor, bookings are being cancelled fast or aren't being made at all. I haven't been to a pub for about 2 weeks which is unusual BJ is going through trying times (fully deserved) and I don't think he has the confidence of the people really any more. At this stage a lot of it will come down to people's own sense of responsibility and doing what we already know can have a real impact on slowing the spread. As far as vaccinating the rest of the world - absolutely! We (developed countries) must all work towards that goal with urgency I believe.
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 13, 2021 19:28:28 GMT
I’m not sure what the level of Omicron is here in Belgium, but the numbers aren’t great. They do seem to be going down, as of last week, so maybe there’s hope. Many of the schools closed classrooms last week due to outbreaks and the holiday starts this Friday vs next Thursday. (So an extra week). We also have work from home orders and masks have to be worn unless actively eating or drinking.
Some of the Christmas markets have closed, but others have remained opened. We were in Strasbourg last week early in the day and it was pretty deserted, but we planned our trip for mid week for smaller crowds. You did have to show your Covid pass to get into the market areas.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 13, 2021 19:28:55 GMT
It’s been covered here in the US, but I do not know if I have seen much coverage of how much spread there is. My universities both heavily encouraged boosters (one of them even set up a clinic) since it seems the vaccines are effective against Omicron with a booster. I will be curious to see if we end up with booster requirements (I am boosted, but appointments in Seattle have been scarce).
My husband has to go to a holiday party, indoors, with food and drink, in his university administrative capacity this week, and I am really annoyed about his exposure! He is boosted, but has a heart condition (that is probably from COVID), and I worry.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Dec 13, 2021 19:32:17 GMT
Omicron is spreading but we're still several weeks behind the UK. It was suspected a few days ago that Omicron already represented 1.1% of new infection cases in France. I'm assuming we've already surpassed the 2% mark today. Booster shots have been available for anyone over 18 since November 27. I got boosted in December 1st. So far, 15 million French people have been boosted (total population: 67.4 million/51-ish million adults). We currently do not have enough vaccines to offer both booster shots + first shots for 5-11. Unfortunately, that means 5-11 will likely have to wait until the end of the month/early January to start being vaccinated (except for those considered to be high risk who are already eligible). We have been subject to mask-wearing indoors all along. Fabric masks are discouraged. Restaurants, cafés, museums, theatre, concert venues, operas, etc. are all also subject to the vaccination pass (or negative test less than 24h old). The pass is deactivated 7 months after your first shot if you haven't been boosted.
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 19:36:14 GMT
epeanymous - I would be the same, that's tough that he has to go basket1lady - much the same here. 'Work from home if possible' is in place and masks are obligatory in shops, public transport etc but not in pubs! Fancy - covid doesn't happen in pubs! Our school finish on Friday too.
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 19:37:17 GMT
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Post by mnmloveli on Dec 13, 2021 19:42:41 GMT
In New York City and New York State we are definitely seeing the Omnicron but not as much as Delta, YET! Both are on the rise. Today New York State went full mandate for masks for all indoors facilities, unless its a private home, regardless of vaccination status.
NYS/NYC positive cases are as much as last year at this time; anywhere from 8,000 to 11,000 new cases per day.
Another sad and worrisome holiday season. At least being vaccinated, hopefully people won’t get it so bad and less chance of death.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Dec 13, 2021 19:47:19 GMT
I'm ovah the cold, I tell ya, gar. Oy vey! This freakin' mass of polar air from Lapland came down all the way to the Mediterranean shores a few weeks ago and it has been colder than normal ever since. Help! Busy at work and in the December Daily thread in General Scrapbooking. Haven't been NSBR in forever! *makes new year's resolution to hop back in here more regularly* How are you? How's winter in the UK? How are you facing the Omicron wave? Is there a general feeling of anxiety regarding this new variant in the UK with the extreme spread you're currently going through (we'll soon follow, yikes)? How's the holiday prep going?
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Post by fiddlesticks on Dec 13, 2021 19:52:06 GMT
Yikes. This is really scary to think about with all the holiday get togethers. The fatigue of this is so real. It is hard to stay so vigilant. My sister and her family (2 kids under 3) are flying to my parents house for Christmas and I am trying REALLY hard not to feel frustrated with her.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 13, 2021 19:55:36 GMT
Here in southern California I don't see many concerned about this as so far it seems to be mild. Our numbers have risen but I don't see anyone really acting like it is an issue at this point. I still wear my mask and some do and some don't when I am in stores. I do tend to go early which is when they are the least crowded and probably more likely to see others masked as they might also be trying to avoid crowds. There is no mandate.
I am so thankful to not be seeing numbers like last December that was scary and I hope we don't see that again. Hospitals were full and it was scary. If numbers go up I am fine staying home but not seeing anything to make me feel I need to avoid going out but then again I always avoid crowds. I hope that omnicon is mild and doesn't cause severe illness, death or lasting effects, time will tell. I don't hear anything about closing down or mandates at this point here in Southern California.
I also think we need to be working more on getting the rest of the world vaccinated just because this variant seems to be mild doesn't mean that the next one will be.
I haven't been paying as much attention but I know some states are seeing a spike and I hope it isn't as bad as last year. I am curious what is happening in the rest of the world as I know we seem to follow Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 20:46:48 GMT
Here in southern California I don't see many concerned about this as so far it seems to be mild. Our numbers have risen but I don't see anyone really acting like it is an issue at this point. I still wear my mask and some do and some don't when I am in stores. I do tend to go early which is when they are the least crowded and probably more likely to see others masked as they might also be trying to avoid crowds. There is no mandate. I am so thankful to not be seeing numbers like last December that was scary and I hope we don't see that again. Hospitals were full and it was scary. If numbers go up I am fine staying home but not seeing anything to make me feel I need to avoid going out but then again I always avoid crowds. I hope that omnicon is mild and doesn't cause severe illness, death or lasting effects, time will tell. I don't hear anything about closing down or mandates at this point here in Southern California. I also think we need to be working more on getting the rest of the world vaccinated just because this variant seems to be mild doesn't mean that the next one will be. I haven't been paying as much attention but I know some states are seeing a spike and I hope it isn't as bad as last year. I am curious what is happening in the rest of the world as I know we seem to follow Europe. Yes, so far I think only a handful of cases of this new variant. Slight uptick in cases, mainly school aged, but nothing significant and no surge in hospitalizations. Many still mask here and it is enforced in schools. We will be watching cases after break. All 4 of us are vaccinated with 3 of us having received boosters. Ds isn't old enough yet. Some parents are afraid we will have a huge uptick and schools will need to go virtual for 2 weeks.
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 21:04:35 GMT
How are you? How's winter in the UK? How are you facing the Omicron wave? Is there a general feeling of anxiety regarding this new variant in the UK with the extreme spread you're currently going through (we'll soon follow, yikes)? How's the holiday prep going? I'm fine ![](https://media.fotki.com/2v2JGmVoCxA5eGL.gif) We're having a mild spell this week - 13 degrees in southern England today! There's a feeling of frustration mainly I guess, and despondency. As I said, our numbers where stable/dropping, vaccination numbers were steadily rising and now it's all blown out of the water again. We're back to dramatic headline and wondering what the next few weeks holds...it's depressing We just have to hang in there and hope against hope that in a week or two there's more concrete evidence of it not making people any more ill than Delta.
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Post by gar on Dec 13, 2021 21:08:04 GMT
I also think we need to be working more on getting the rest of the world vaccinated just because this variant seems to be mild doesn't mean that the next one will be. I don't think that can be said with any certainty yet to be honest but yes, I do agree getting the world vaccinated is critical because if we don't we'll just face variant after variant and the uncertainty with each one each time. ETA - we recorded our first Omicron death today.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 13, 2021 23:41:10 GMT
It was just announced that masks are coming back for California on Wednesday for all indoor spaces vaxed or not. Comments are what you would expect.
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Post by LiLi on Dec 14, 2021 0:14:45 GMT
It was just announced that masks are coming back for California on Wednesday for all indoor spaces vaxed or not. Comments are what you would expect. The mandates haven't ever been lifted here where I live in Southern California. May want to be more specific in your posts 😉
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Post by rickmer on Dec 14, 2021 0:49:15 GMT
it's moving fast....
our province announced 1536 cases today...73% jump over the same time a week ago, 30.8% are attributed to omnicron. no new restrictions here in toronto. but we have been wearing masks indoors all along and you have to show vaccination records for restaurants, bars, movie theatres and shows. apparently kingston (couple of hours east of toronto) has put new restrictions in place on gatherings only up to 5 people and new limits for restaurants.
our stuff all just started opening back up late spring/early summer. movie theatres and indoor dining have only been open since july i think?
DD is still hoping to do her semester aboard in spain in january. i think boosters have just been approved for over 50 so don't know what she will do?
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Post by lisae on Dec 14, 2021 0:58:37 GMT
Cases are rising here as expected post Thanksgiving and with colder weather, though we still have many mild days. I expect it to get worse after Christmas no matter which variant is the dominant one. More people are getting boosters. I got mine the day before Thanksgiving which was the first week I qualified. Dh had his a couple of weeks earlier than that. It's all we can do other than stay home again.
The problem in my community is that so many people - about 55% have never even had their first dose so they don't have time to play catch up now. I don't think we know how bad this is going to be yet for the un or under vaccinated. Hospitalizations in the state are up 50% since Thanksgiving.
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Post by seaexplore on Dec 14, 2021 2:13:48 GMT
It was just announced that masks are coming back for California on Wednesday for all indoor spaces vaxed or not. Comments are what you would expect. The mandates haven't ever been lifted here where I live in Southern California. May want to be more specific in your posts 😉 It’s a mandate. The people in my county won’t follow it. My school district will not enforce vaccination mandates of students going on parent choice and religious exemption reasons for kids to not get it.
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Post by LiLi on Dec 14, 2021 2:40:39 GMT
The mandates haven't ever been lifted here where I live in Southern California. May want to be more specific in your posts 😉 It’s a mandate. The people in my county won’t follow it. My school district will not enforce vaccination mandates of students going on parent choice and religious exemption reasons for kids to not get it. Yeah she said mandates were "coming back" they were never lifted where I live and the schools have always been enforcing masks for kids and vaccines for staff. Our districts still have online options, too. That's what I mean to to point out. It isn't the same for all of Southern California, that's all 🙂
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Post by kate on Dec 14, 2021 2:57:50 GMT
I have to think Omicron is here in NYC because of all the vaccinated people I know who've come down with Covid just in the last couple of weeks. My kid's school has at least one case a week of vaccinated students/faculty testing positive.
DH and I are boosted, and my college kids are eager to get theirs. My youngest isn't 6 months out from his second dose yet; he'll get a booster after the holidays.
DD wants to go on a pilgrimage to Spain and Italy this summer - I'm not sure how I feel about that.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Dec 14, 2021 6:12:12 GMT
It’s a mandate. The people in my county won’t follow it. My school district will not enforce vaccination mandates of students going on parent choice and religious exemption reasons for kids to not get it. Yeah she said mandates were "coming back" they were never lifted where I live and the schools have always been enforcing masks for kids and vaccines for staff. Our districts still have online options, too. That's what I mean to to point out. It isn't the same for all of Southern California, that's all 🙂 Sorry No idea what counties still had mask mandates but now it’s the entire state. Riverside hasn’t been enforcing them overall. I know people will refuse and I doubt most stores will say anything unless things change a lot. We have a lot of maskholes here. I think the schools are requiring them I know my sons college requires them and he isn’t even on campus all of his classes are online. I’ve been wearing one and don’t have an issue with them. It helps my allergies and I haven’t been sick in two years well nothing contagious at least. It’s nice to not have a cold we usually have a few. I know it’s only a matter of time before my husband brings one home but trying hard to reduce them and of course reducing Covid risks to. I just don’t get the huge outrage against them.
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Post by gar on Dec 14, 2021 8:50:30 GMT
and you have to show vaccination records for restaurants, bars, movie theatres and shows I think I read that our covid passports will soon only be acceptable if they show a booster.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Dec 14, 2021 13:30:08 GMT
I was in the hospital for 10 days over Thanksgiving and from when I went in to when I left there was a big jump in admissions for COVID but I don’t know if it’s Delta or Omicron. The docs/nurses were talking about it and they sound so tired. I need a port placed for chemo and they were concerned I wouldn’t get an appointment due to in the increase in cases. I’m going Thursday morning, I don’t know if it’s deemed an elective procedure (I’m certainly not electing to have it, I have to have it) but hopefully they keep my appointment.
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