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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 21, 2021 21:46:00 GMT
So, you’ve been crowing about your “natural immunity” 15 months after having covid. Now you’re saying you’ve been vaccinated. Seems your immunity isn’t so “natural” after all. Any other lies you want to fess up to? IF I get covid after being vaccinated and boosted, it will be much milder than anyone unvaccinated. The nerve of the faux outrage about niceness, from someone willing to run over protesters, is equal parts horrifyingly galling and ironically hilarious. I could be wrong but I think it is anononame that says she has natural immunity after having Covid 15 months ago, not Cindosha.
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Post by hop2 on Dec 21, 2021 21:51:52 GMT
Google the study and yes I was tested recently. What kind of antibodies were you tested for? Total IgG, IgH, IgE, Specific to which Covid Spike protein variant? Did you get a neutralization test with the different Covid variants to show how effective these antibodies were at decreasing infection? Total number of antibodies doesn't mean a whole lot if they aren't effective. Can they tell if you had Covid and all your shots & boosters? Can they tell the difference?
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Post by hop2 on Dec 21, 2021 21:54:14 GMT
lOoK aT aLL tHoSe bOoStErs! 🤦🏼♀️😏 Ergo, they are a proven and safe way to build good immunity. I’m due for my tetanus booster next time I go to the Dr
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Post by sideways on Dec 21, 2021 23:32:50 GMT
The nerve of the faux outrage about niceness, from someone willing to run over protesters, is equal parts horrifyingly galling and ironically hilarious. I could be wrong but I think it is anononame that says she has natural immunity after having Covid 15 months ago, not Cindosha. It’s cindosha. The first comment of page 4 has the quote.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 21, 2021 23:42:37 GMT
Total side note, but my husband and I were kind shocked how many of our childhood vaccinations had to be boosted when we went to Africa. I'm sure the vast majority of Americans (won't speak for other countries, but probably most who hang out here) are so used to infection level being so low or non-existent that their doctors never discussed boosters. Other than flu and shingles, most of these illnesses are at such low levels they don't recommend boosters - unless you're traveling to areas where childhood vaccines aren't so universal - than they boost the hell out of you.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 22, 2021 0:03:21 GMT
Total side note, but my husband and I were kind shocked how many of our childhood vaccinations had to be boosted when we went to Africa. I'm sure the vast majority of Americans (won't speak for other countries, but probably most who hang out here) are so used to infection level being so low or non-existent that their doctors never discussed boosters. Other than flu and shingles, most of these illnesses are at such low levels they don't recommend boosters - unless you're traveling to areas where childhood vaccines aren't so universal - than they boost the hell out of you. When I moved here, I had to show proof of all my childhood vaccinations. I couldn’t even though I’d had them, and the doctor said I may as well have them again because they were doing 10 year boosters a lot of them now.
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Post by samantha25 on Dec 22, 2021 4:30:14 GMT
What kind of antibodies were you tested for? Total IgG, IgH, IgE, Specific to which Covid Spike protein variant? Did you get a neutralization test with the different Covid variants to show how effective these antibodies were at decreasing infection? Total number of antibodies doesn't mean a whole lot if they aren't effective. Can they tell if you had Covid and all your shots & boosters? Can they tell the difference? Depends on the test, measuring total antibodies or neutralization assay, PCR which measures viral DNA, sequencing viral DNA to determine the variant. One test for all does not exist. Not sure what you are asking. I can expand if you want specific answers. Yes, PCR tests tell you if you have had Covid, if there is remaining viral DNA in your system to detect. If you have your sample sequenced, and the PCR test does not have an S-gene dropout, then you probably had the original alpha strain (I'm not sure of Delta's status of S dropout). If you have not had antibodies tested over time to the particular flavor of the month variant, then there is no baseline to determine your immunity, either total or activity. I'm not sure what labs are doing antibody testing as this is expensive and normal testing does not include this. PCR measures Viral DNA (transcribed from RNA to DNA as Covid is an RNA virus genome) and antibody testing measures protein amounts and/or activity.
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Post by samantha25 on Dec 22, 2021 4:37:51 GMT
WOW!! You are so nice. I had covid BEFORE vaccines were available so I guess it was unavoidable that I was going to get it as my son brought it home from college and did not/do not wear a mask in my own house. I in fact, had a pretty severe case of it at that time and still only have about 70% of taste and smell as a residual. And I'm fine now, thank you!! It amazes me that you seem to think I am an anti-vaxer when in fact I have been vaccinated. I will not however be getting any boosters. So go ahead and get your boosters, I won't be. And if you think you are not going to eventually get covid in some form or variation, you are living in la la land. Why? If it decreases your risk of dying or your family/community, what is the harm? You got the first two doses, what is one more? Viruses are smart, smarter than people that's why we are called a host. It's like Invasion of the Body Snatchers Movie or War of the Worlds....
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Post by myshelly on Dec 22, 2021 6:27:20 GMT
I honestly don't understand this. Was there so much kickback to the polio vaccine? To any of the other vaccines. They saved lives, people got them, they ARE LEGALLY required. This will save lives. What's the difference other than 50 years. How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required?
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Post by ~summer~ on Dec 22, 2021 7:00:54 GMT
I honestly don't understand this. Was there so much kickback to the polio vaccine? To any of the other vaccines. They saved lives, people got them, they ARE LEGALLY required. This will save lives. What's the difference other than 50 years. How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required? your state does not require kids to get like 10 vaccines for things like measles, mumps, pertussis etc?
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2021 12:16:01 GMT
How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required? your state does not require kids to get like 10 vaccines for things like measles, mumps, pertussis etc? Same state here. Yes, vaccines are required for school enrollment. Parents may submit a request for waiver for reasons of conscience. It’s a bit of a process but very do-able. One provision in the law here that I think many don’t realize though is that their unvaccinated child may be excluded from in person attendance if there is an outbreak or epidemic of a vaccine preventable disease. So if Covid vaccines become required for school attendance, people could theoretically have their kids sent home any time there are new cases at school.
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Post by kelbel827 on Dec 22, 2021 12:49:42 GMT
What a bunch of assholes.
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 22, 2021 13:01:03 GMT
I honestly don't understand this. Was there so much kickback to the polio vaccine? To any of the other vaccines. They saved lives, people got them, they ARE LEGALLY required. This will save lives. What's the difference other than 50 years. How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required? Many colleges require immunization records. There might be exemptions, it depends on the college and state. Also states like California are limiting or restricting the exemptions for K-12 schools.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 14:20:46 GMT
"Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin issued a memo on Aug. 24 directing the secretaries of the military departments to immediately begin full coronavirus vaccination of all members of the armed forces. The memorandum delegated them the duty to implement the policy for their respective branches of service. And the secretary of the Army subsequently issued a policy memorandum requiring Army National Guard units to be fully vaccinated by June 30, 2022. Vaccination requirements, even unusual vaccination requirements, have a long history in the military. Less than a year into the American Revolution, George Washington ordered the inoculation of his forces against smallpox. At the outset of World War II, a massive federal push led to the development of novel vaccines for more than a third of vaccine-preventable diseases, including the first influenza vaccine, which was routinely administered throughout the war, along with inoculations for smallpox, yellow fever, scarlet fever, diphtheria, plague and typhus. In the 1990s, the Clinton administration mandated vaccination against anthrax to ensure military readiness in case of what was presciently believed to be the most likely form of biological attack. And after the Sept. 11 attacks, President George W. Bush mandated vaccination against smallpox for similar reasons.... In two of its most controversial and hotly contested provisions at the time of ratification, the Constitution qualified the traditional breadth of this local control in what are collectively known as the Militia Clauses. The Militia Clauses give Congress both the power to “provide for the calling forth” of the militia (meaning ordering of the militia to serve under the command of the federal government) and to “provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia.” The only powers that states retain over the militia that are constitutionally protected from congressional interference are the powers to appoint militia officers and to conduct training in conformity with congressional regulations.... In other words, in the face of the continued refusal to abide by the coronavirus vaccine mandate, the Defense Department retains the power to expel holdouts not just from federal service but also from positions in the state’s National Guard. While the process for doing so is not free from administrative cost, it is far less cumbersome than what is required to court-martial active-duty personnel under the UCMJ. For enlisted members of the Guard, the separation process would be carried out in accordance with Army regulation AR 135-175 as directed by NGR 600-200. The member would be entitled to pre-separation counseling, conducted by the member’s unit commander, to discover if rehabilitative efforts could solve the issue before separation is initiated. But if not, a member with less than six years in the service could be ordered separated under a General Discharge with little more than the signing of some forms. For enlisted members with more than six years of service, the member would have the right to demand an administrative separation board. Such a board would also be required if the Defense Department sought to impose an Other Than Honorable Discharge, which could affect the member’s entitlement to veteran’s benefits. Such boards are commonly used for minor military infractions and generally entitle the member being involuntarily separated to a hearing in which they can argue for why they should be retained or at the very least, why their discharge should be under honorable conditions. When it comes to the conditions of an enlisted members’ separation for refusing the coronavirus vaccine, there would be little practical value in pursuing anything more punitive than a General Discharge (other than to perhaps make an example out of a particular individual), insofar as the department could simply mark the member’s discharge paperwork with a derogatory reenlistment code that would effectively bar any future military service. For commissioned and warrant officers, the withdrawal of federal recognition is governed by NGR 635-101, which requires a board of officers to be convened (a so-called recognition board) in which the officer concerned is afforded the opportunity to appear in person to present a defense. The officer can also spare everyone the trouble by resigning in lieu of contesting the proceedings. As a practical matter, such recognition boards are procedurally similar to administrative separation boards. And in either case, the Guard members would quickly discover that—Brig. Gen. Mancino’s assurances notwithstanding—vaccine mandates are very much “lawful” and the “law.” And they would likely find themselves in the same position as the many service members who have previously tried, and uniformly failed, to challenge vaccine mandates in the past: swiftly and permanently returned to civilian life. To be sure, the express terms of the relevant statutes notwithstanding, there is an outstanding legal question respecting whether the withdrawal of federal recognition can truly compel a state to expel a member of its National Guard. In litigation surrounding Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, at least one California district court concluded that Title 32’s automatic separation provisions, despite their text, operate only as a condition of federal funding. In other words, because a state’s receipt of National Guard funding is made contingent on its compliance with Title 32, a state such as Oklahoma could very well continue to employ a service member in its National Guard despite the member’s loss of federal recognition. That state would simply hazard a potential loss of funding if it does so. And there is at least an argument that this tie to Congress’ spending power is constitutionally compelled insofar as the Militia Clauses’ reservation to states of the exclusive power to appoint the offices could be construed to entail the exclusive power to remove. But that funding condition simply highlights the heaviest hammer that the Defense Department can swing if the leadership of the Oklahoma National Guard continues their campaign of civil disobedience against the coronavirus vaccine mandate. Under Title 32, if a state fails to comply with a lawful federal regulation, “the National Guard of that State is barred, in whole or in part, as the President may prescribe, from receiving money or any other aid, benefit, or privilege authorized by law.” In the case of Oklahoma, nearly 80 percent of its National Guard budget for fiscal year 2021 was covered by federal funding. Given that 90 percent of Oklahoma’s National Guard have either received or intend to receive the vaccine, it would be a remarkable act of political self-mutilation for the governor of a state whose death toll already ranks ninth in the nation (right behind Florida, Arkansas and New York) to hazard such a cost for what appear to be partisan reasons." www.lawfareblog.com/federalism-and-coronavirus-vaccination-mandates-military-personnel
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 14:27:33 GMT
Vaccines are a standard part of the job for those who serve in the military. Beginning with boot camp, troops are required to get inoculated against roughly a dozen diseases. "Weighing the risks, on February 5th of 1777, Washington finally committed to the unpopular policy of mass inoculation by writing to inform Congress of his plan. Throughout February, Washington, with no precedent for the operation he was about to undertake, covertly communicated to his commanding officers orders to oversee mass inoculations of their troops in the model of Morristown and Philadelphia (Dr. Shippen's Hospital). At least eleven hospitals had been constructed by the year's end. Variola raged throughout the war, devastating the Native American population and slaves who had chosen to fight for the British in exchange for freedom. Yet the isolated infections that sprung up among Continental regulars during the southern campaign failed to incapacitate a single regiment. With few surgeons, fewer medical supplies, and no experience, Washington conducted the first mass inoculation of an army at the height of a war that immeasurably transformed the international system. Defeating the British was impressive, but simultaneously taking on Variola was a risky stroke of genius." www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/GW&smallpoxinoculation.html
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Post by myshelly on Dec 22, 2021 14:40:14 GMT
How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required? your state does not require kids to get like 10 vaccines for things like measles, mumps, pertussis etc? My state has exemptions for medical reasons, religious belief, and personal belief. If you are seeking an exemption you simply turn in a signed form instead of a shot record. It’s a very easy process. Additionally, private schools make their own rules and homeschoolers don’t have to follow any rules.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 22, 2021 14:42:08 GMT
How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required? Many colleges require immunization records. There might be exemptions, it depends on the college and state. Also states like California are limiting or restricting the exemptions for K-12 schools. Yes. Of course it’s California. The rest of us still have some freedom and choices. I’d love the person I quoted to answer me, though. Possibly needed for school enrollment is hardly the same thing as “legally required”.
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2021 15:35:25 GMT
your state does not require kids to get like 10 vaccines for things like measles, mumps, pertussis etc? My state has exemptions for medical reasons, religious belief, and personal belief. If you are seeking an exemption you simply turn in a signed form instead of a shot record. It’s a very easy process. Additionally, private schools make their own rules and homeschoolers don’t have to follow any rules. The state website indicates that you have to request an exemption form from the state to be mailed to your house (a process the website says can take up to three weeks), sign it and have it notarized, and then turn it in. It’s designed to be a little onerous so parents don’t just print a form and turn it in because it’s easier than taking their kids to the doctor. The private school I worked at followed state guidelines and more than once we had kids who weren’t allowed in school on the first day because they didn’t have their vaccine records complete or an exemption form. It’s not just a matter of a quick signature on a printed form. Private schools don’t want plague rat kids on campus, either. As for having freedoms and choices, I wouldn’t hold up Texas as a great example of that on any count. Many of us would like the freedom to attend public schools free of preventable infectious diseases. Where is that choice in Texas?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Dec 22, 2021 15:58:08 GMT
Our state was pretty loose with the exemptions for k-12 student vaccinations until whooping cough out breaks became an issue. They’ve tightened up quite a bit. It’s absolutely true you can keep your kids home and choose not to vaccinate them and I’m more than happy to apply that to COVID - vaccinate / don’t vaccinate but keep your unvaccinated ass at home if that’s your choice.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 22, 2021 16:02:55 GMT
My state has exemptions for medical reasons, religious belief, and personal belief. If you are seeking an exemption you simply turn in a signed form instead of a shot record. It’s a very easy process. Additionally, private schools make their own rules and homeschoolers don’t have to follow any rules. The state website indicates that you have to request an exemption form from the state to be mailed to your house (a process the website says can take up to three weeks), sign it and have it notarized, and then turn it in. It’s designed to be a little onerous so parents don’t just print a form and turn it in because it’s easier than taking their kids to the doctor. The private school I worked at followed state guidelines and more than once we had kids who weren’t allowed in school on the first day because they didn’t have their vaccine records complete or an exemption form. It’s not just a matter of a quick signature on a printed form. Private schools don’t want plague rat kids on campus, either. As for having freedoms and choices, I wouldn’t hold up Texas as a great example of that on any count. Many of us would like the freedom to attend public schools free of preventable infectious diseases. Where is that choice in Texas? Of course private schools can *choose* to follow public schools, the point is they don’t have to 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by Skellinton on Dec 22, 2021 16:56:30 GMT
How is it legally required? The only time you’re ever asked to show anything regarding any other vaccine is maybe for school enrollment. And most states have multiple exemptions to that supposed requirement. You can easily enroll in school in my state without having received the polio or any other vaccine. So how is it “legally” required? Many colleges require immunization records. There might be exemptions, it depends on the college and state. Also states like California are limiting or restricting the exemptions for K-12 schools. Oregon and Washington has been restricting exemptions too. It isn't just public schools either. Our prek kids have to have certain vaccinations (per state guidelines) as well. When I was in college in NY I had to go get another childhood vaccine because my mom got me one shot the day before my first birthday. No idea why that wasn't caught before in my other schools, but NY caught it and as a 20 year old I had to get some childhood vaccine. Guess what I didn't do? Fuss about it being a stupid NY rule or scream about my freedom. I just found some sketchy clinic and got the damn shot.
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2021 19:09:47 GMT
The state website indicates that you have to request an exemption form from the state to be mailed to your house (a process the website says can take up to three weeks), sign it and have it notarized, and then turn it in. It’s designed to be a little onerous so parents don’t just print a form and turn it in because it’s easier than taking their kids to the doctor. The private school I worked at followed state guidelines and more than once we had kids who weren’t allowed in school on the first day because they didn’t have their vaccine records complete or an exemption form. It’s not just a matter of a quick signature on a printed form. Private schools don’t want plague rat kids on campus, either. As for having freedoms and choices, I wouldn’t hold up Texas as a great example of that on any count. Many of us would like the freedom to attend public schools free of preventable infectious diseases. Where is that choice in Texas? Of course private schools can *choose* to follow public schools, the point is they don’t have to 🤷🏻♀️ Actually, yes. They do have to. www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspx
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 22, 2021 19:12:13 GMT
Many colleges require immunization records. There might be exemptions, it depends on the college and state. Also states like California are limiting or restricting the exemptions for K-12 schools. Yes. Of course it’s California. The rest of us still have some freedom and choices. I’d love the person I quoted to answer me, though. Possibly needed for school enrollment is hardly the same thing as “legally required”. There is no question California has problems, all states do. But we have a Governor, state and local officials doing their best to keep the residents of this state safe. Unlike states like Texas who politicized COVID-19 mandates so they think they can “own the libs”. Not only is that childish but dangerous since people are dying because of it.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 22, 2021 19:19:38 GMT
The adolescent petulancy of crying freedom (without any responsibility or consequences) and choices, while stomping all over the freedom and choices of others is beyond laughable. 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2021 19:25:57 GMT
Yes. Of course it’s California. The rest of us still have some freedom and choices. I’d love the person I quoted to answer me, though. Possibly needed for school enrollment is hardly the same thing as “legally required”. There is no question California has problems, all states do. But we have a Governor, state and local officials doing their best to keep the residents of this state safe. Unlike states like Texas who politicized COVID-19 mandates so they think they can “own the libs”. Not only is that childish but dangerous since people are dying because of it. Fortunately, many locales in Texas are ignoring the governor on this.
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Post by myshelly on Dec 22, 2021 19:35:12 GMT
If you like it in California, stay there. But don’t try to control other states.
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2021 19:58:55 GMT
If you like it in California, stay there. But don’t try to control other states. Now that you’ve seen correct information about what Texas requires, what vaccine freedom do you think we have here that Cali does not?
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Post by onelasttime on Dec 22, 2021 20:46:50 GMT
If you like it in California, stay there. But don’t try to control other states. What a stupid thing to say. No one suggests CA or any state for that matter “controls” another state. Each state is responsible for the good and bad in that state. No one else. And from where I’m sitting on my lofty perch in Sonoma County the majority of the government of the State of Texas has no problem if it’s residents die needlessly if they feel they can make a political point. And that says a lot about the residents of that state that don’t “get that” and it’s not good. And apparently you are one of them. It never ceases to amaze me how some people can be so lackadaisical when it comes to other people needlessly dying if they think they are being inconvenienced in some way by doing something.
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Post by padresfan619 on Dec 22, 2021 20:52:48 GMT
California is happy to secede and keep our federal tax dollars for ourselves!
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Post by monklady123 on Dec 22, 2021 21:36:01 GMT
California is happy to secede and keep our federal tax dollars for ourselves! No, you guys stay and let's encourage Texas to secede.
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