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Post by aj2hall on Dec 22, 2021 22:10:43 GMT
California is happy to secede and keep our federal tax dollars for ourselves! No, you guys stay and let's encourage Texas to secede.  Maybe we could carve out islands of metropolitan areas and keep them. The deep red part of Texas and the Texans crying freedom while stomping on the freedoms of others can secede. |
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Post by elaine on Dec 22, 2021 22:32:34 GMT
No, you guys stay and let's encourage Texas to secede. Maybe we could carve out islands of metropolitan areas and keep them. The deep red part of Texas and the Texans crying freedom while stomping on the freedoms of others can secede. As long as those red parts take Ted Cruz with them. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 22, 2021 22:58:18 GMT
Maybe we could carve out islands of metropolitan areas and keep them. The deep red part of Texas and the Texans crying freedom while stomping on the freedoms of others can secede. As long as those red parts take Ted Cruz with them. Yes, the red parts can have Abbott, Dan Patrick, Dan Crenshaw, Cancun Cruz and John Cornyn. The blue parts and the rest of the US can keep Beto O'Rourke. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 22, 2021 23:54:10 GMT
As long as those red parts take Ted Cruz with them. Yes, the red parts can have Abbott, Dan Patrick, Dan Crenshaw, Cancun Cruz and John Cornyn. The blue parts and the rest of the US can keep Beto O'Rourke. You also want Lina Hidalgo from Houston and the state’s contingent of Democratic representatives, including Lizzie Fletcher. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Dec 22, 2021 23:57:59 GMT
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 23, 2021 0:26:16 GMT
Many colleges require immunization records. There might be exemptions, it depends on the college and state. Also states like California are limiting or restricting the exemptions for K-12 schools. Yes. Of course it’s California. The rest of us still have some freedom and choices. I’d love the person I quoted to answer me, though. Possibly needed for school enrollment is hardly the same thing as “legally required”. WV, among the reddest of the red states, does not allow ANY non-medical exemptions for public school vaccine requirements. Medical exemptions are subject to very stringent rules for the physician who signs an exemption form. If you want your kid in public school, they must be vaccinated except in very limited health situations. Don’t like it? Private school or homeschooling are your options. IRC, you also have to present the same proof of vaccination if you want your child to participate in community activities and sports. College students must also provide proof of immunization under the same rules that apply to the younger kids. Vaccines aren’t universally political. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 23, 2021 0:33:15 GMT
Yes. Of course it’s California. The rest of us still have some freedom and choices. I’d love the person I quoted to answer me, though. Possibly needed for school enrollment is hardly the same thing as “legally required”. WV, among the reddest of the red states, does not allow ANY non-medical exemptions for public school vaccine requirements. Medical exemptions are subject to very stringent rules for the physician who signs an exemption form. If you want your kid in public school, they must be vaccinated except in very limited health situations. Don’t like it? Private school or homeschooling are your options. IRC, you also have to present the same proof of vaccination if you want your child to participate in community activities and sports. College students must also provide proof of immunization under the same rules that apply to the younger kids. Vaccines aren’t universally political. That’s still not “legally required.” And yikes. Community activities, sports, and preschool never asked for any record of any vaccine here. |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 23, 2021 0:42:26 GMT
WV, among the reddest of the red states, does not allow ANY non-medical exemptions for public school vaccine requirements. Medical exemptions are subject to very stringent rules for the physician who signs an exemption form. If you want your kid in public school, they must be vaccinated except in very limited health situations. Don’t like it? Private school or homeschooling are your options. IRC, you also have to present the same proof of vaccination if you want your child to participate in community activities and sports. College students must also provide proof of immunization under the same rules that apply to the younger kids. Vaccines aren’t universally political. That’s still not “legally required.” And yikes. Community activities, sports, and preschool never asked for any record of any vaccine here. Yes. Of course it’s Texas. The rest of us can have a little faith in our public health and safety. And you’re grasping at straws if you’re claiming that “you can’t go to school without vaccinations” doesn’t equate to “legally required.” I’ll take California (and possibly West Virginia), thanks. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 23, 2021 0:48:29 GMT
That’s still not “legally required.” And yikes. Community activities, sports, and preschool never asked for any record of any vaccine here. Yes. Of course it’s Texas. The rest of us can have a little faith in our public health and safety. And you’re grasping at straws if you’re claiming that “you can’t go to school without vaccinations” doesn’t equate to “legally required.” I’ll take California (and possibly West Virginia), thanks. But you CAN go to school without vaccinations. And no one has to go to public school 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 23, 2021 0:49:49 GMT
Yes. Of course it’s Texas. The rest of us can have a little faith in our public health and safety. And you’re grasping at straws if you’re claiming that “you can’t go to school without vaccinations” doesn’t equate to “legally required.” I’ll take California (and possibly West Virginia), thanks. But you CAN go to school without vaccinations. Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 23, 2021 0:52:26 GMT
That’s still not “legally required.” And yikes. Community activities, sports, and preschool never asked for any record of any vaccine here. Yes. Of course it’s Texas. The rest of us can have a little faith in our public health and safety. And you’re grasping at straws if you’re claiming that “you can’t go to school without vaccinations” doesn’t equate to “legally required.” I’ll take California (and possibly West Virginia), thanks. I’m going to link again to this document from the Texas Department of Health that shows that myshelly is lying, at least in part. Kids enrolled at all Texas schools and child care facilities, public and private, are required to show proof of vaccinations or apply for an exemption through the state. That would also include kids participating in school-based sports and activities. www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspxSometimes people here in Texas are duped into thinking that a vaccine requirement is some kind of unprecedented tyranny, but that is simply not the case. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 23, 2021 0:55:11 GMT
But you CAN go to school without vaccinations. Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. Which brings us back to reasons I hate California and want you all to keep your tyrannical shit contained there. The person I was quoting and responded to said vaccines are legally required. They aren’t. I have no idea where that pea lives. |
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Post by myshelly on Dec 23, 2021 0:56:13 GMT
Yes. Of course it’s Texas. The rest of us can have a little faith in our public health and safety. And you’re grasping at straws if you’re claiming that “you can’t go to school without vaccinations” doesn’t equate to “legally required.” I’ll take California (and possibly West Virginia), thanks. I’m going to link again to this document from the Texas Department of Health that shows that myshelly is lying, at least in part. Kids enrolled at all Texas schools and child care facilities, public and private, are required to show proof of vaccinations or apply for an exemption through the state. That would also include kids participating in school-based sports and activities. www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspxSometimes people here in Texas are duped into thinking that a vaccine requirement is some kind of unprecedented tyranny, but that is simply not the case. No one said school based sports or activities. She said sports and community activities. And I’m not sure what you think I’m lying about. It is not at all onerous to get an exemption. It’s a form. You fill it out yourself. |
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Post by agengr2004 on Dec 23, 2021 1:02:22 GMT
Texas checking in, licensed daycares and preschools have to follow the vaccination standards as well. I had to provide them for both my kids to remain in daycare.
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Post by Merge on Dec 23, 2021 1:02:50 GMT
I’m going to link again to this document from the Texas Department of Health that shows that myshelly is lying, at least in part. Kids enrolled at all Texas schools and child care facilities, public and private, are required to show proof of vaccinations or apply for an exemption through the state. That would also include kids participating in school-based sports and activities. www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/school/school-requirements.aspxSometimes people here in Texas are duped into thinking that a vaccine requirement is some kind of unprecedented tyranny, but that is simply not the case. No one said school based sports or activities. She said sports and community activities. And I’m not sure what you think I’m lying about. It is not at all onerous to get an exemption. It’s a form. You fill it out yourself. Are you going to address how you were completely wrong and talking out your ass about private schools and preschool/daycare? Who can believe anything you claim? |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 23, 2021 1:10:13 GMT
The Texas health and human services link and daycare/preschool requirements seem to show that in fact, Texas has some tyrannical shit, too.
eta- not to mention the draconian voter suppression laws and the recent law taking away women’s reproductive rights. Or the Republicans who want to ban books from school libraries. Or your Republican lieutenant governor who thought old people should volunteer die to save the economy
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Post by elaine on Dec 23, 2021 1:10:23 GMT
Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. Which brings us back to reasons I hate California and want you all to keep your tyrannical shit contained there. The person I was quoting and responded to said vaccines are legally required. They aren’t. I have no idea where that pea lives. Are you feeling okay? |
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Post by Merge on Dec 23, 2021 1:13:26 GMT
The Texas health and human services link and daycare/preschool requirements seem to show that in fact, Texas has some tyrannical shit, too. We have to keep everyone safe from disease so they can die at the hands of a dude with a gun. 🙄 Freedumb. |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 23, 2021 1:18:50 GMT
Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. Which brings us back to reasons I hate California and want you all to keep your tyrannical shit contained there. The person I was quoting and responded to said vaccines are legally required. They aren’t. I have no idea where that pea lives. She lives in West Virginia and I believe she is also a lawyer. twinsmomfla99 ?? And really, why do you keep claiming to be liberal? If you truly believe that basic public health requirements = tyranny, you are a very unusual “liberal.” |
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Post by amom23 on Dec 23, 2021 1:24:51 GMT
But you CAN go to school without vaccinations. Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. North Dakota has gotten pretty strict about children being vaccinated before attending school. Heck my kids had to show proof of vaccination to attend a basketball summer camp when they were younger. Crazy stuff there for such a red state LOL! |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 23, 2021 1:24:59 GMT
Which brings us back to reasons I hate California and want you all to keep your tyrannical shit contained there. The person I was quoting and responded to said vaccines are legally required. They aren’t. I have no idea where that pea lives. She lives in West Virginia and I believe she is also a lawyer. twinsmomfla99 ?? And really, why do you keep claiming to be liberal? If you truly believe that basic public health requirements = tyranny, you are a very unusual “liberal.” Sounds more libertarian thinking than liberal. I used to think that libertarianism was a harmless medium between conservative and liberal. Now I think it’s a dangerous medium between the far extremes of both. |
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Post by janeliz on Dec 23, 2021 1:34:36 GMT
Oh yes. Texas. The land of freedom and choices.
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 23, 2021 1:41:37 GMT
Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. North Dakota has gotten pretty strict about children being vaccinated before attending school. Heck my kids had to show proof of vaccination to attend a basketball summer camp when they were younger. Crazy stuff there for such a red state LOL! I got my booster yesterday, and the place was full of kids getting their second shots/boosters for school/community sports and nd national guard getting first/second shots. I was surprised it was a thing for school/after school sports. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 23, 2021 1:50:11 GMT
North Dakota has gotten pretty strict about children being vaccinated before attending school. Heck my kids had to show proof of vaccination to attend a basketball summer camp when they were younger. Crazy stuff there for such a red state LOL! I got my booster yesterday, and the place was full of kids getting their second shots/boosters for school/community sports and nd national guard getting first/second shots. I was surprised it was a thing for school/after school sports. I can virtually guarantee you that many if not most club youth sports here require proof of childhood immunizations. This was never considered “tyranny” until Covid. |
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Post by sassyangel on Dec 23, 2021 1:54:09 GMT
I got my booster yesterday, and the place was full of kids getting their second shots/boosters for school/community sports and nd national guard getting first/second shots. I was surprised it was a thing for school/after school sports. I can virtually guarantee you that many if not most club youth sports here require proof of childhood immunizations. This was never considered “tyranny” until Covid. Oh they very likely do, I don’t have kids so I don’t really keep up on that. 😀 I was quite interested (and impressed) that the Covid one was required to some degree given how politicized it’s been here. |
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Post by lucyg on Dec 23, 2021 2:10:02 GMT
Not in California or West Virginia, except under stringent medical exemptions. No religious or “conscience” exemptions allowed. North Dakota has gotten pretty strict about children being vaccinated before attending school. Heck my kids had to show proof of vaccination to attend a basketball summer camp when they were younger. Crazy stuff there for such a red state LOL! Yeah. Because vaccine requirements never used to be such a hot political issue. It was only the fringey far right and far left who objected to them, but no one paid much attention, at least not in California. Out of curiosity, myshelly, do your children have the usual childhood immunizations? |
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Post by lizacreates on Dec 23, 2021 3:52:13 GMT
Hmm. “Tyrannical shit.”
That’s rich considering Texas just recently denied women, including victims of rape and incest, their reproductive rights. Not to mention it created one of this year’s most restrictive voting laws.
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Post by Gennifer on Dec 23, 2021 6:14:34 GMT
Vaccines aren’t universally political. At least, they weren’t until Trump made them political. |
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Post by aj2hall on Dec 23, 2021 6:50:16 GMT
Yes, the red parts can have Abbott, Dan Patrick, Dan Crenshaw, Cancun Cruz and John Cornyn. The blue parts and the rest of the US can keep Beto O'Rourke. You also want Lina Hidalgo from Houston and the state’s contingent of Democratic representatives, including Lizzie Fletcher. Yes, absolutely. All of the Democratic Representatives deserve to be commended for their valiant efforts to protect voting rights. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Dec 23, 2021 13:32:56 GMT
WV, among the reddest of the red states, does not allow ANY non-medical exemptions for public school vaccine requirements. Medical exemptions are subject to very stringent rules for the physician who signs an exemption form. If you want your kid in public school, they must be vaccinated except in very limited health situations. Don’t like it? Private school or homeschooling are your options. IRC, you also have to present the same proof of vaccination if you want your child to participate in community activities and sports. College students must also provide proof of immunization under the same rules that apply to the younger kids. Vaccines aren’t universally political. That’s still not “legally required.” And yikes. Community activities, sports, and preschool never asked for any record of any vaccine here. We had to provide proof of vaccines for 4-H camp and community track. Even when we lived in VA, we had to provide proof for softball, cheerleading, Girl Scout Camp, etc. I don’t know what the exemption requirements were in VA because we never asked for one. The WV medical exemption is pretty thorough. It isn’t just the doctor saying it’s okay to skip the vaccine. They have to attach supporting medical documentation showing why the exemption is necessary. The school vaccine requirement also applies to any childcare center regulated by the state. I looked at the law in detail, and it looks like even private and parochial schools require vaccines. www.wvlegislature.gov/wvcode/chapterentire.cfm?chap=16&art=3§ion=4Of course, COVID-19 is not included on the list of vaccines. This is just for the normal childhood vaccines. |
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