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Post by librarylady on Jan 11, 2022 21:33:12 GMT
I notice the chart finds some of the numbers of children unbelievable. I join that list of not believing some of these reported births.
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Post by breetheflea on Jan 11, 2022 21:50:02 GMT
Somewhere on the French-Canadian Catholic side of my family tree is a family with 18-20 children, I just can't rememeber who it was and it's probably not officially documented. It got really annoying trying to put them in my genealogy database because they were all named Jean or Marie married to Jean or Marie with kids named Jean or Marie... DH grandpa was one of 17 or 18... just missed making the list
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Post by greendragonlady on Jan 11, 2022 21:53:21 GMT
Somewhere on the French-Canadian Catholic side of my family tree is a family with 18-20 children, I just can't rememeber who it was and it's probably not officially documented. It got really annoying trying to put them in my genealogy database because they were all named Jean or Marie married to Jean or Marie with kids named Jean or Marie... DH grandpa was one of 17 or 18... just missed making the list The names thing reminds me of Good Fellas or My Big Fat Greek Wedding!
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Post by greendragonlady on Jan 11, 2022 21:53:38 GMT
Also, no thank you...2 kids was enough for me!
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Post by Merge on Jan 11, 2022 22:00:33 GMT
My mom was the youngest of 11. Some of those numbers are wild!
Also almost all the men on my mom’s side of the family are named William or Thomas, as are almost all the men on both sides of DH’s family. That will be fun for somebody digging up genealogy in the future.
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Post by iowgirl on Jan 11, 2022 22:07:17 GMT
My friends dad is one of 19. Same Mom and Dad - no twins. They are all getting up there in age, and the family size is shrinking fast. Neat family!
I had several kids in my class growing up that had 10 to 12 kids in their family.
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Post by rgibson on Jan 11, 2022 22:22:47 GMT
I have a friend who is one of 21 (his wife's family was a bunch of slackers, she is one of only 9, lol) and another friend who is one of 22. All three families are Catholic, which in my observations of the world seems to be not out of line. I may have that impression from Monty Python though. I don't see either name on the list and I know the kids all lived to at least their teen years. I have heard anecdotally of other families that large in Quebec and yet I only see a couple from that province on the list. Interesting.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 11, 2022 22:23:28 GMT
I’m really concerned about the health of these women’s pelvic floor.
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 11, 2022 22:25:48 GMT
In my former community, there are several families that belong to a Finnish branch of the Lutheran church. They take "go forth and multiply" very seriously. Most families had more than 10 kids or more. The largest one I encountered was 21 children, no twins. Basically, they marry young, from within the church. A former student from this church currently has 6 kids. Her peers are having fewer kids, so there may be less pressure to have an overwhelming brood.
There is also no makeup, no tv, no contemporary music (even Christian), no movies unless they are educational. Kids are either hard working super-students or they hate school, there doesn't seem to be a middle ground. Very traditional gender roles. Men are the providers (even if it takes three or four jobs) women rarely work outside the home.
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Post by Sue on Jan 11, 2022 22:38:32 GMT
Not exactly the same, but my paternal great-grandfather was a widower with 3 children when he married my great-grandmother, a widow with 6 children. They then had 10 more children together, making it a combined family of 19 children. Genealogy is my hobby, and since I'm directly related to all of these children, keeping track of just this one family has kept me very, very busy.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 11, 2022 22:43:59 GMT
Somewhere on the French-Canadian Catholic side of my family tree is a family with 18-20 children, I just can't rememeber who it was and it's probably not officially documented. It got really annoying trying to put them in my genealogy database because they were all named Jean or Marie married to Jean or Marie with kids named Jean or Marie... DH grandpa was one of 17 or 18... just missed making the list I dealt with that too. But there was also some first cousins marrying, still naming the kids all the same names. I am also descended from two wives of the same man, one had died. I also came across, people having first and last names switched, both male and female.
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Post by snugglebutter on Jan 11, 2022 22:47:10 GMT
That poor woman who had triplets at age 13. (and then 27 more pregnancies)
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Post by ntsf on Jan 11, 2022 22:58:48 GMT
my great great great grandparents had 20 kids.. a couple died young. the next directly related generation had 15 kids.. and I saw their house in Wales--about 15 ft by 15 ft. without a fireplace.. just a raised shelf for the fire with a hole in the roof. then there was my other side welsh family.. that emmigrated to the us. 12 kids, all boys had the middle name of griffith.. my great grandfather was griffith griffith...last name.
in wales, it seems only about 20 names are used.. so figuring it out can be tough.
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Post by 950nancy on Jan 11, 2022 23:01:50 GMT
That first family was a non fiction piece we read every year in class. Even ten years olds were a little incredulous about the article.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 11, 2022 23:12:02 GMT
If you scroll down to the father's.. geez.....
Latter-Day Saints men are very busy 16 members with a total of 735 children. I wonder how many of those kids married each other? That could get weird.
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Post by librarylady on Jan 11, 2022 23:18:49 GMT
My aunt had 17 children. I am #6 in a family of 9 children. I always thought the family of 17 was ridiculous. My parents were asked ALL the time, "Are you Catholic?" We are not. Once a kid in my class asked me, "If your parents are not Catholic, why did they have so many kids?" I could not believe that question.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 11, 2022 23:20:17 GMT
Too funny to read these numbers after DS and I had a random conversation yesterday on why humans didn't have litters like dogs. I am a massive skeptic of multiple multiple births surviving into adulthood in the 1700s and the idea a human body could have survived that wear and tear. The average life expectancy was under 30 during this time period!? ETA Families with up to 20 births weren't unusual with my Scottish ancestors, 10-14 common and under 9 was considered a small family. I am so thankful for the birth control options available today.
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Post by refugeepea on Jan 11, 2022 23:24:23 GMT
My dad had 15 siblings and 4 half siblings. Two didn't live past infancy. My grandfather was born in the 1800's.
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Post by peabay on Jan 11, 2022 23:32:04 GMT
I grew up across the street from a family with 12 kids - about 25 years from start to finish. The dad was a bartender (Irish Catholic, of course); mom stayed at home. One set of twins - numbers 9 and 10. She actually had 2 more after them!
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Post by paulao on Jan 11, 2022 23:55:36 GMT
I’m really concerned about the health of these women’s pelvic floor. I doubt they have any pelvic floors left…..Imagine the incontinence.
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Post by mom on Jan 11, 2022 23:56:52 GMT
Dear God, no. I am not 100% sure I am going to make it out alive when raising two!
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Post by MaryMary on Jan 12, 2022 0:17:17 GMT
I’m really concerned about the health of these women’s pelvic floor. I am one of 13 siblings. The last couple decades of her life my mom would avoid leaning over to pick things up because she was afraid her uterus would fall out. This revelation has haunted me.
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Post by peabay on Jan 12, 2022 0:24:00 GMT
I’m really concerned about the health of these women’s pelvic floor. I am one of 13 siblings. The last couple decades of her life my mom would avoid leaning over to pick things up because she was afraid her uterus would fall out. This revelation has haunted me.
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Post by Elsabelle on Jan 12, 2022 0:24:46 GMT
I’m really concerned about the health of these women’s pelvic floor. I am one of 13 siblings. The last couple decades of her life my mom would avoid leaning over to pick things up because she was afraid her uterus would fall out. This revelation has haunted me. Oh my goodness, the horror. Ladies, please learn how to do kegels correctly and also how to relax your pelvic floor. For Pete's sake, please.
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Post by Linda on Jan 12, 2022 3:51:56 GMT
there are quite a few large families I've come across while researching family history. Sometimes the father remarried and had more childern with a subsequent wife, and sometimes one wife has had 9-12+ pregnancies.
I went to school with a girl who was near the tail end of a dozen kids and my cousin is one of 15 (but there are two sets of twins in there). I have an friend who is one of the oldest of 21 - her own family is on the larger side 7 or 8 I think. And another friend has 13 kids plus several m/c (I think only 2 or 3 are girls)
one of the families in my family history (that I'm a direct descendent of) was William Taylor who married his 1st cousin Ann Taylor and had nine kids, she died and he remarried an Anne Taylor and had another nine with her
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Post by ntsf on Jan 12, 2022 5:43:10 GMT
my husband's grandmother was one of 12 (she was married with a baby when her sister was born). her brothers were well known locally as there were 9 of them.. and they would play baseball against another family with 9 boys...
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Post by hannahruth on Jan 12, 2022 9:47:13 GMT
I’m really concerned about the health of these women’s pelvic floor. I doubt they have any pelvic floors left…..Imagine the incontinence. I am the middle child of 9 - 5 boys and 4 girls and we were a relatively small family for the era. There was a doctor who live around the road who had 13 or maybe even 14 children and they bought the house next door to accommodate everyone. I thought that was a big enough family.
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Post by gillyp on Jan 12, 2022 10:09:53 GMT
On the list at year 2020, Sue Radford has appeared in documentaries here, the most recent being either just last week or due to air this week - possibly a repeat but not filmed very long ago.
I think the largest number of children I have encountered in my family tree was 24 in the 1600s. Two wives and one husband, with the second wife having one set of triplets who all died and two sets of twins, one of which survived.
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Post by melanell on Jan 12, 2022 14:10:05 GMT
Given the lack of any real birth control for the majority of humankind, plus the young age at which people used to marry, I can certainly understand people having very large families. Really, the fact that they even start that list at 20 is surprising to me, because I don't think 20 is that extraordinary given the first 2 things I mentioned. however, when you reach those huge numbers at the top, it does become rather mind blowing to me. However, I will say that I recall even as a youth reading the Guinness Book of World Records that many of those same women were mentioned. I recall the information given for some of them. So if they are fabricated or mistaken, they have been so for quite some time.
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Post by iluvpink on Jan 12, 2022 14:19:50 GMT
My mom was one nine children. Catholic as were lots of other families in the area.
My uncles were the youngest in the family and the oldest of them went to school with kids from another even larger family. That family had kids that grew up with my uncles and then some of the younger ones went to school with myself and my sister who is six years younger. I think the one my sister graduated with was the youngest, but I'm not totally positive!
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