lesley
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My best friend Turriff, desperately missed.
Posts: 7,341
Location: Scotland, Scotland, Scotland
Jul 6, 2014 21:50:44 GMT
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Post by lesley on Jan 12, 2022 6:58:52 GMT
The latest alter to be outed ( alitheia is angel97701 in case you missed it ) got me thinking about why people use alters. I’m not talking about those Peas who use them to discuss highly personal things that they don’t necessarily want people to associate forever with their Peaname. I understand that and did it myself many years ago. I mean those who use an alter to air political or social views. As far as I can see, these are all conservative Peas. (If we have any Peas who use an alter to demand equity and fairness for all I’d love to know!) Why do they not state their often inflammatory views under their own name, have the courage of their convictions? It seems to me that they must be embarrassed or ashamed of how they truly feel if they cannot claim it. So does that make them examine why they are ashamed? What is it about these views that they would prefer others not associate with their usual persona? I doubt any alters will answer these questions, I’m really just pondering the self-analysis aspect.
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muggins
Pearl Clutcher
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Jul 30, 2017 3:38:57 GMT
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Post by muggins on Jan 12, 2022 8:07:15 GMT
A few years ago I outed longtime pea AN as having a rather mean alter Kaitlyn(random numbers I can’t recall). She seemed to be using her regular pea name to ask questions and receive pea advice about home renovations as she had bought her own home. Her alter was used to rail against MLMs and be mean to specific peas (often the very same peas who were answering her questions as AN) I assume she did it so she didn’t get a reputation of being a bitch.
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Post by pjaye on Jan 12, 2022 8:16:44 GMT
I did miss that! will have to go and read that thread now. I can't answer your question because I just made the point with "zima" who deleted all her posts to "start fresh" and yet continues to post in exactly the same way and even on the same threads. She confessed but it doesn't change anything because if anyone want to check her stance on anything in the past - it is now untraceable. To me it just means you can't believe anything they say because they don't have the conviction to stand by their past words. They mostly get outed anyway and then they're even more humiliated. They must think they will fool everyone but they are rarely smart enough for that.
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Post by gar on Jan 12, 2022 9:15:58 GMT
It is a bit odd to create an alter - it means you must value your place/reputation here or perhaps value what you get from the board on some level while recognising that peas would feel differently about you if they knew your stance on certain things. I guess there might be occasions when someone just sees it as fun to stir the pot but why would you do that if you didn’t actually have those controversial thoughts?
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anaterra
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 4,134
Location: Texas
Jun 29, 2014 3:04:02 GMT
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Post by anaterra on Jan 12, 2022 10:33:27 GMT
muggins just curious... you completely dont have to answer.... obviously... But i admit to being 1 of the peas skeptical of your outing.. i did enjoy AN and even her mom... and like you say Kaitlyn was a bitch.. How did you know who the alter belonged to??
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maryannscraps
Pearl Clutcher
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Aug 28, 2017 12:51:28 GMT
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 12, 2022 10:38:57 GMT
muggins just curious... you completely dont have to answer.... obviously... But i admit to being 1 of the peas skeptical of your outing.. i did enjoy AN and even her mom... and like you say Kaitlyn was a bitch.. How did you know who the alter belonged to?? I remember that one. I actually saw AN post as her alter by mistake. muggins wasn't the only one who saw that. I remember being really surprised, because the alter was super mean and not at all like AN's usual posts.
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anaterra
Pearl Clutcher
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Location: Texas
Jun 29, 2014 3:04:02 GMT
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Post by anaterra on Jan 12, 2022 10:46:05 GMT
Ohhh i didn't know she outed herself... well not really... but let her alter slip...
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maryannscraps
Pearl Clutcher
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Aug 28, 2017 12:51:28 GMT
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Post by maryannscraps on Jan 12, 2022 10:49:34 GMT
Those outings usually happen because the person logs into the wrong account when they're answering a question or a quote as their alter. I've seen it happen a couple times.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 12, 2022 10:57:48 GMT
The latest alter to be outed ( alitheia is angel97701 in case you missed it ) got me thinking about why people use alters. I’m not talking about those Peas who use them to discuss highly personal things that they don’t necessarily want people to associate forever with their Peaname. I understand that and did it myself many years ago. I mean those who use an alter to air political or social views. As far as I can see, these are all conservative Peas. (If we have any Peas who use an alter to demand equity and fairness for all I’d love to know!) Why do they not state their often inflammatory views under their own name, have the courage of their convictions? It seems to me that they must be embarrassed or ashamed of how they truly feel if they cannot claim it. So does that make them examine why they are ashamed? What is it about these views that they would prefer others not associate with their usual persona? I doubt any alters will answer these questions, I’m really just pondering the self-analysis aspect. Any reason why she would have an alter?? I honestly have no idea of angel97701 history.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 12, 2022 11:04:38 GMT
Cowardice.
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tincin
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Jul 25, 2014 4:55:32 GMT
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Post by tincin on Jan 12, 2022 11:43:38 GMT
I can’t imagine creating an alter ego just to be a bitch. I can do that as myself. I own what I say, however embarrassing it may be sometimes. We all have bad days or misunderstandings of what we thought someone meant, own it. Nobody’s perfect. As for conservatives seemingly the only owners of alters? No idea why that would be.
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Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 11:55:39 GMT
I imagine their established account is linked to an actual person that several peas know in some way. As in they know their name, have them on their FB list, follow them on IG, know where they work, that sort of thing.
Why not say hateful things, spread lies, and basically be a horrible person anonymously than risk having it blow back onto their real lives? People have been fired for this kind of stuff because it gets back to their employer. Plus they get to keep the persona they've created under the "established" username.
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Dalai Mama
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jan 12, 2022 12:17:26 GMT
muggins just curious... you completely dont have to answer.... obviously... But i admit to being 1 of the peas skeptical of your outing.. i did enjoy AN and even her mom... and like you say Kaitlyn was a bitch.. How did you know who the alter belonged to?? I remember that one. I actually saw AN post as her alter by mistake. muggins wasn't the only one who saw that. I remember being really surprised, because the alter was super mean and not at all like AN's usual posts. Those who were surprised either had a short memory or hadn’t been around in earlier years.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 12, 2022 12:25:21 GMT
I own what I say, however embarrassing it may be sometimes. We all have bad days or misunderstandings of what we thought someone meant, own it. Nobody’s perfect. There are a lot of people who can't take an objective look at themselves, even when something troubling is pointed out to them. I have found that if I simply step back and reconsider, I can at the very least get to a place of understanding and then apologize accordingly. In human relationships, I think that getting to a place of understanding is the key. Sometimes compromise is impossible and sometimes agreement is impossible. You don't have to change your mind. But understanding where the other side (or your partner or friend) is coming from is the key. Many political posters don't seek to have that kind of understanding. They are so sure they are right, they refuse to see the other side of an argument (and I'm not talking about issues where there are clearly injustices going on). And there are some who want to be able to speak without consequence. They don't care about understanding either. They just want to drop their opinion and go on with their life. I think that last one stems from frustration. I'm guessing that's where the post in question came from. There was an opinion that the poster could rightly see that was going to be met with resistance. They were not looking to understand the other side. They were just looking for a place to drop their bomb and go on about their life and they wanted to do it without consequence. They want to distance themselves from the opposition and not be responsible for having to think through the resulting opposing posts. They want to be able to share an opinion without having to put in any effort to defend it.
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Post by elaine on Jan 12, 2022 12:32:42 GMT
I remember that one. I actually saw AN post as her alter by mistake. muggins wasn't the only one who saw that. I remember being really surprised, because the alter was super mean and not at all like AN's usual posts. Those who were surprised either had a short memory or hadn’t been around in earlier years. Word. I actually couldn’t back to sleep after getting up to use the bathroom 30 minutes before my alarm went off thinking about this very issue. The older I get, and the longer I’ve been a Pea, the more alters bother me. After 20 years, and many struggles in my life, this group means a lot to me. It honestly is a social support figure in my life. My life is better because of the support I get here and have for 20 years now. When someone trolls from the inside - not some annoying outside teenager in a basement - it feels like a betrayal. I have no patience for that crap. Creating an alter and trolling here is a shitty thing to do. Full stop. If a person who creates an alter wants to come on and make a sincere apology and explain why she did it - and that made sense - I might change my view of that person. But otherwise, I no longer want anything to do with them. eta: creating an alter to discuss a troubling personal issue that the pea wants to keep private is COMPLETELY different, IMO, than creating one to troll about broader social and political issues and understandable. I have no issue with that.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 12, 2022 12:48:04 GMT
After 20 years, and many struggles in my life, this group means a lot to me. It honestly is a social support figure in my life. My life is better because of the support I get here and have for 20 years now. When someone trolls from the inside - not some annoying outside teenager in a basement - it feels like a betrayal. I have no patience for that crap. I agree with this. I'm very disappointed that someone I've scrapbooked with on numerous occasions and has shown a genuine interest in me and my kids would do such a thing. And then when figured out would not explain and apologize. These kinds of things always make me feel like I've been duped by someone.
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AmeliaBloomer
Drama Llama
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Location: USA
Jun 26, 2014 5:01:45 GMT
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 12, 2022 12:51:04 GMT
The latest alter to be outed ( alitheia is angel97701 in case you missed it ) got me thinking about why people use alters. I’m not talking about those Peas who use them to discuss highly personal things that they don’t necessarily want people to associate forever with their Peaname. I understand that and did it myself many years ago. I mean those who use an alter to air political or social views. As far as I can see, these are all conservative Peas. (If we have any Peas who use an alter to demand equity and fairness for all I’d love to know!) Why do they not state their often inflammatory views under their own name, have the courage of their convictions? It seems to me that they must be embarrassed or ashamed of how they truly feel if they cannot claim it. So does that make them examine why they are ashamed? What is it about these views that they would prefer others not associate with their usual persona? I doubt any alters will answer these questions, I’m really just pondering the self-analysis aspect. It truly is fascinating. I doubt there’s a one-size-fits-all answer. I suspect some of the in-your-face, nasty ones are simply provocateurs looking for self-entertainment. I do wonder if some of the extreme political ones provoke to elicit the nasty, personal responses that confirm what they believe about others with different ideologies. Ironic, and very clumsy, but it gets the job done. (And no, it’s not ideology-specific; that’s just the trend here.) At the most extreme, I think there are serial alters who show up when they need to feed some emotional need. That’s using the internet as your psychological playground. Unfortunately, just as we’ve learned with conspiracy believers of any flavor, there can be a very toxic, even dangerous, interplay of serious psychological problems and beliefs about the intentions of others in society. But that is the most extreme. At the least, altering for non-privacy reasons is objectively dishonest and most probably manipulative. And here, especially, it’s a violation of a small, long-standing community. This ain’t Reddit.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 12, 2022 12:57:43 GMT
I agree with elaine. Using an alter for an extremely personal or potentially embarrassing post is understandable. Using an alter to be a bitch is not acceptable. It violates the sanctity of our ‘family’ here. I find it especially egregious when a long time pea like AN does it. Not to mention the existence of that slam blog years ago. That was ugly. And I have no idea who or what this latest alter issue is even about. If it’s political, I’d likely miss it because I avoid those pointless diatribes here like the plague.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Location: USA
Jun 26, 2014 5:01:45 GMT
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 12, 2022 13:00:02 GMT
Those outings usually happen because the person logs into the wrong account when they're answering a question or a quote as their alter. I've seen it happen a couple times. I remember this happening with somebody whose “real” name was devilsomething - devildog? Downstate Illinois?Indiana? Very nice. Chatty. Polite. Mostly posted about normal Pea stuff, but when she did post on political threads she claimed she was unsophisticated about politics and had just started paying attention. I answered specific questions she had about politics/government/ideology and she always thanked me and said it was helpful. Meanwhile, she was altering as someone with a completely different tone! (Read: nasty, terse, insulting.) Her posts were exclusively political and she didn’t seem at all unsophisticated. Well, she only parroted prevalent talking points from extreme right-wing sources, but she was definitely very engaged. I still remember reading the post where she accidentally outed herself. I kept looking from the nasty words to the avatar that belonged to this folksy someone I liked and thought I “knew” here. There was absolutely no “tell” and the transformation was astonishing. Truth be told, I think there’s a chance she’s returned in one or another incarnation since then. So very very odd. And eye-opening.
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Post by peasapie on Jan 12, 2022 13:20:09 GMT
Some people don’t have the courage to own and defend their convictions, so they create an alter to do their talking for them. Pretty sad, given this is an anonymous forum.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 12, 2022 14:25:44 GMT
When I moderated an online board years ago, people created alters to back themselves up in arguments.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 12, 2022 14:26:48 GMT
Using an alter for an extremely personal or potentially embarrassing post is understandable. I think I used an alter a few times for personal reasons I didn't want the subject to be linked to me.. I don't even remember what it could have been it's been so many years ago. But to be mean or troll around, that is just weird and rude. I was just wondering why the alter on the Jeopardy thread.... I totally missed the mark on that one. Someone started the thread about how awesome the current winner is but deleted their account and then another person brought it back to the top just a random congrats post and all of it makes no sense to me. (if anyone cares to explain what happened there) lol
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 12, 2022 14:28:37 GMT
I understand why someone might use an alter if there is an ongoing family situation, like custody or divorce. I have never understood why some have used alters in the past to troll. I just don’t get why you can’t say what you think.
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sassyangel
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Jun 26, 2014 23:58:32 GMT
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 14:34:20 GMT
The latest alter to be outed ( alitheia is angel97701 in case you missed it ) got me thinking about why people use alters. I’m not talking about those Peas who use them to discuss highly personal things that they don’t necessarily want people to associate forever with their Peaname. I understand that and did it myself many years ago. I mean those who use an alter to air political or social views. As far as I can see, these are all conservative Peas. (If we have any Peas who use an alter to demand equity and fairness for all I’d love to know!) Why do they not state their often inflammatory views under their own name, have the courage of their convictions? It seems to me that they must be embarrassed or ashamed of how they truly feel if they cannot claim it. So does that make them examine why they are ashamed? What is it about these views that they would prefer others not associate with their usual persona? I doubt any alters will answer these questions, I’m really just pondering the self-analysis aspect. Any reason why she would have an alter?? I honestly have no idea of angel97701 history. Usually all you have to do is look at the post history of the alt, to see why one was needed. The latest one was no exception to that.
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Just T
Drama Llama
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Jun 26, 2014 1:20:09 GMT
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Post by Just T on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:12 GMT
I created an alter a few years ago because my family was going through something awful that I didn't want connected to me. Unfortunately, over the years, I have posted personal things about where I live and work, and I felt it best to use an alter for this particular issue. I barely used it, though, because I was always afraid that I would accidentally be logged in under that profile and "out" myself. LOL
Now, I just say what I want to say and never even think about an alter. I'm too scatterbrained these days to keep them straight. LOL
That said, it annoys the shit out of me when people post under an alter just so they can be bitchy or crappy. A lot of times, I am pretty good at figuring out who they really are based on their tone and writing style.
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Post by busy on Jan 12, 2022 14:40:36 GMT
When talking politics, I think some people create alters to back themselves up, some create them to be more inflammatory than want to be under their "real" name - they don't want to be ostracized from the community, and some create them because they know they have history that is inconsistent with what they're saying now and they don't want to admit/explain that. For example, I'm pretty sure we had "I don't support Trump" R peas who vocally did support him under alters.
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Post by christine58 on Jan 12, 2022 14:43:26 GMT
Any reason why she would have an alter?? I honestly have no idea of angel97701 history. Usually all you have to do is look at the post history of the alt, to see why one was needed. The latest one was no exception to that. Thanks
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Post by nine on Jan 12, 2022 14:47:44 GMT
A few years ago I outed longtime pea AN as having a rather mean alter Kaitlyn(random numbers I can’t recall). She seemed to be using her regular pea name to ask questions and receive pea advice about home renovations as she had bought her own home. Her alter was used to rail against MLMs and be mean to specific peas (often the very same peas who were answering her questions as AN) I assume she did it so she didn’t get a reputation of being a bitch. I remember AN. Didn’t she have a mother that pea’d?
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Jan 12, 2022 14:49:26 GMT
Usually all you have to do is look at the post history of the alt, to see why one was needed. The latest one was no exception to that. Thanks I mean, I probably wouldn’t want to own the “I have a science degree/my opinion is Biden has dementia” oppositional thinking either, if I had it. 😏 It is *interesting* the opinions that were kept only for that name when you read them all together.
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Post by nine on Jan 12, 2022 14:50:57 GMT
I did miss that! will have to go and read that thread now. I can't answer your question because I just made the point with "zima" who deleted all her posts to "start fresh" and yet continues to post in exactly the same way and even on the same threads. She confessed but it doesn't change anything because if anyone want to check her stance on anything in the past - it is now untraceable. To me it just means you can't believe anything they say because they don't have the conviction to stand by their past words. They mostly get outed anyway and then they're even more humiliated. They must think they will fool everyone but they are rarely smart enough for that. I thought Angel97701 died. She had a little boy who was disabled and a nasty husband.
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