Breaking News - President Biden called a reporter a SOB! 😀

Darcy, you know how this works. Someone posts something that interest you, or that you have a different take on, and you respond. Many threads outlive their news value, but that doesn’t automatically mean that people don’t have something to say. This thread is no different.

Sure but when I continue to be quoted about something I never said it gets a little old. I haven't even responded to half the people who quoted me and then went on a rant about Trump, weak Democrats or me holding them up to different standards. I never defended Trump's behavior - I never voted for the man. I voted for Biden and can still say - hey you can do better Joe - and move on with my day.   

Yes,  but this is also a little different than the norm. Darcy, me and a number of other people have expressed their views that it was inappropriate for a POTUS to call a reporter an SOB where the public could hear. That has been run with by a number of other people who are now complaining that we are denigrating them and trying to silence them for the opposing view that it was just fine. 

I haven’t seen anyone try to silence people who are fine with it, nor denigrate them. It is quite frustrating to read, sitting from where I sit.

No one who knows me here can doubt that I am a staunch liberal and that I despised the former President with a passion. I am not trying to silence anyone on the left here. I DO think the comment was inappropriate, even after reading the responses. I don’t care that other people feel differently. That is certainly their right. I’m not trying to argue with them, I’m not trying to silence them. Simply because my (or Darcy’s) views are different, doesn’t mean that we are trying to stop people from speaking/expressing their views. 

Perhaps I misunderstood at whom MichyM ‘s comment was directed, then. It seemed to wish that those of us who don’t agree with her should just go away.

She’s doubled down on it at this point, so … whatever.

Would you kindly refrain from putting words in my mouth?

What comment that I actually made do you need clarity on?

You said: "I have become increasingly disappointed with peas on "my side." The hypocrisy and whataboutisms are out of hand, don't do anyone any good, and I see it here all the time.

It would be lovely to have discussions without them."

I'm not really sure how those of us who disagreed with you were supposed to take that. What I saw, not unreasonably I think, is that you'd gone from censuring Biden to censuring those who aren't willing to call him to task for this incident. And then you made the comment that you'd rather have discussions without us.

Perhaps you can clarify.

For swearing? For use of language? I can find absolutely nothing. If there is evidence, I will happily admit I am wrong.

I don't want to speak for Michy but I read her "them" not as people, but the whataboutisms.  I don't want to have discussions without people who disagree with me.  But I'd like to have a discussion without comparing everything to Trump.  Me, not speaking for Michy.  I would like to believe that Trump was an outlier and is not the new standard for behavior.  We can all stand to do better.

With that said, I was bothered by Biden's comment, but I can understand where it came from and I give him kudos for owning it and apologizing.  Everyone gets heated from time to time.  And that's my opinion on the matter. 

I remember W (Bush) made a remark calling a reporter an “asshole” with the microphone unknowingly being on and was roundly criticized for it.  Here’s a clip:



Eta: here is even a snopes article about it:
www.snopes.com/fact-check/major-league-remark/

youtu.be/Rt86dc6EIoY

it’s hard to not at least add him to this conversation, because the reporter at the center of this works for a network that for the last four years, carried on with its agenda, as if Trumps behavior was perfectly normal. For them (as a network) to get upset about this rings rather hollow. I don’t think it’s whatabouting to add that to *this* discussion, or to point that out.

He did NOT apologize. "it's nothing personal, pal" is not an apology. Would you accept that as a real apology from Trump? And if its honestly a different question would you accept that as a real apology from any republican?

What JeremysGirl said is spot on. That one pea misunderstood what I said and it’s intent is on her. And yes, I’m well aware that I’m not “properly apologizing” for what I said, because there is no reason to do so. As you’ve all seen from my past posts, I’m one of the first to admit when I’m wrong. <—— call that virtue signaling if you will. I call it paying attention to who a person is at their core.

Merge, I hope you’re able to come back to this thread without anger and realize that I was not asking/suggesting/or declaring that I’d like anyone to leave.

I'm not sure what would happen.  I don't think anyone was outraged when John McCain was caught using a curse word.  I know that's different, he was only a Senator.  Maybe there are higher standards for a president.  I don't remember the reaction but George W called a NYT reporter a major league as*hole over a hot mic.  I think the context- when and how it was said - is really important.  Directly to a reporter in a room full of reporters, absolutely not OK.  Over a hot mic when they thought it was off and reporters were leaving the room?  I'm not too concerned and willing to give him a pass.  Personally, I wasn't worked up when George W did it either.  George W did other things I disagree with, a curse word over a hot mic didn't seem too significant.