The truckers protest in Ottawa is out of hand

I have a coworker who has recently been diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver due to autoimmune hepatitis.  She says that her doctors all told her not to get the vaccine.  She also says that Covid was created in a lab and each variant has been released to the public (for what purpose, I am not sure).  I am just starting to have to interact with her more and she seems very "out there" with her thinking and I tend to wonder which things she is saying are true and accurate to begin with--that includes whether or not her doctors have advised her to get the vaccine.  I think people know that if they say their doctors told them not to, that will lead to fewer questions or encouragement to get the vaccine.

I wonder how many medications they are taking for the CF and RA were tested using the same aborted fetus cells.

This was my issue with the American woman who was yeeted from the transplant list even though she had someone who was willing to live-donate to her. She said her objection to the vaccine was the fetal cell testing yet every single pre- and post-op medicine for transplants was tested using the same cells. 

And, to be perfectly honest, a lot of these issues cross borders. Now, if US peas want to 'educate' us on what's happening here, or make sweeping statements about the 'government' without clarifying who tf they're talking about, I will say something.

Otherwise, have at 'er.

Anyone else surprised that he didn't wait until 4pm to make this announcement before fu(king off to his cottage? No? Only me? 

My DH also has cirrhosis and his liver doctor was very much in favor of him getting vaccinated, he’ll be getting his 2nd booster soon because his immune system is compromised. I realize this is only one doctor, but I also doubt her claims. 

If I was an auditor, the fact that within minutes of it being switched to another fundraising platform, millions had poured in, that would be a something of a red flag to me.  

Very true such as the photos of him snowmobiling in Muskoka last weekend.  ctv.ca

I live in Metro Detroit. The Ambassador Bridge is blocked. There are ridiculously long waits at the tunnel and Blue Water, and I think Sault Ste. Marie. Trucks are stuck in Detroit because they can’t cross the bridge. Automakers are canceling shifts in the US and Canada because parts can’t get through, losing millions of dollars a day in the process. The protest has literally crossed the border and has become an American issue as well.

Oh yeah. RWers here are planning dumpster fires in the US. It’s gonna be a tough month, I think.

Sorry - but THIS is the comment you choose to yell at somebody over??

I'm very late to this party as I've been out of town. I'm disgusted always when people use children - it's NEVER ok - if you're at a point when you're sending your child onto a roadway, you've lost - argument, perspective, humanity - you name it, you've probably lost it.

Oh and side note as a former engineer--trucks filling bridge fine - it's designed for completely stopped traffic and then multiply by 2-4 (won't suggest I know what safety factor Canada uses) where it gets dangerous is when PEOPLE fill bridges. Look at the old Golden Gate celebration when it was wall to wall people - way more weight per square footage and they flattened the arch - it was terrifying - 1987ish. So really, you want to hold giant protest - don't do it with people on a bridge.

In the U.S., the President can declare an emergency and send in the National Guard to clear out something like this under some circumstances. This article summarized the issue when trump was threatening to send in troops during BLM protests:

Lynne Rambo, professor emerita at the Texas A&M University School of Law, said a president can invoke the Insurrection Act under five circumstances.

First, if there is a fear of action to overthrow a state, the president can send in troops if a state legislature asks him to. Second, the president can do so at the request of the state’s governor if the legislature cannot convene. In the third circumstance, if there is a threat of federal law being broken, the president could also deploy the military. Rambo said this section was used by Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy against Arkansas, Mississippi and twice in Alabama when the states refused to desegregate schools.

Under the fourth and fifth circumstances, Rambo said the president can invoke the act if there is domestic violence that threatens the rights of any “part or class of the people,” and the “constituted authorities of that state are unable, fail, or refuse to protect” rights, privileges or immunity, or if the domestic violence opposes or obstructs the execution of federal law.

If the protests are affecting interstate commerce, I think there would be an argument that the National Guard would be justified under 18 U.S. Code § 1951 - Interference with commerce by threats or violence:

(a)Whoever in any way or degree obstructs, delays, or affects commerce or the movement of any article or commodity in commerce, by robbery or extortion or attempts or conspires so to do, or commits or threatens physical violence to any person or property in furtherance of a plan or purpose to do anything in violation of this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(b)As used in this section—
(1)The term “robbery” means the unlawful taking or obtaining of personal property from the person or in the presence of another, against his will, by means of actual or threatened force, or violence, or fear of injury, immediate or future, to his person or property, or property in his custody or possession, or the person or property of a relative or member of his family or of anyone in his company at the time of the taking or obtaining.
(2)The term “extortion” means the obtaining of property from another, with his consent, induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right.
(3)The term “commerce” means commerce within the District of Columbia, or any Territory or Possession of the United States; all commerce between any point in a State, Territory, Possession, or the District of Columbia and any point outside thereof; all commerce between points within the same State through any place outside such State; and all other commerce over which the United States has jurisdiction.

So if this were happing in say Michigan on the other side of the bridge, Biden could probably call out the troops to handle the situation if the governor refused to deal with it and would not have to wait for a request. It's doubtful that Biden would take such steps even if justified.: no one wants to be the president that sends troops against citizens, and the risk of an armed battle breaking out might be too great without support from the local government. Even trump decided not to send troops in to "protect federal buildings," even though he did have a legal argument that would have allowed him to do it.

As I understand the situation in Canada, the federal government has not sent in the military because Ford won't make a request. Is there a law similar to the one above that would allow the federal government to intervene? If there is, I'm sure similar concerns make that very unlikely to happen. I'm just curious since this doesn't really look like it is going to end anytime soon.

There is a rumor that trucks are planning to surround the stadium for Super Bowl-similar to what is happening in Canada. I wonder
1) if it’s true, and
2) if it is, the news said there is a plan in place to stop it from becoming a thing. What’s the plan?
Im very curious.

I don't know if he's right but Beau of the 5th column had an interesting (short) video about truckers and the super bowl. He mentioned the Super Bowl is a potential target and there are federal agencies involved in security. He also thinks none of the truckers will get near the stadium - think Oklahoma City and the bombing. All of the seems logical but I don't have any evidence to back it up.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6tSppsO_A

eta - I did find this statement from Homeland Security

www.dhs.gov/news/2022/02/09/dhs-partners-state-and-local-officials-secure-super-bowl-lvi

“The Department of Homeland Security is fundamentally a department of partnerships, and those partnerships are critical to ensuring the safety and security of Super Bowl operations as well as that of the surrounding community,” said Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas. “Our dedicated DHS workforce is working collaboratively alongside our federal, state, and local partners to provide operational and technical support to the NFL, City of Inglewood, and State of California to keep this national event safe. Just like the game itself, vigilance is a team effort, so please remember: if you see something, say something.”

DHS support for Super Bowl LVI includes more than 500 DHS personnel providing extensive air and maritime security resources; anti-human trafficking prevention and enforcement support; intellectual property enforcement; chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear, and explosives detection technologies; venue, cyber, and infrastructure security assessments; intelligence analysis and threat assessments; and real-time situational awareness reporting for our partners.

As with past Super Bowls, this event was voluntarily submitted to DHS for a risk assessment. DHS classified this event as a Special Event Assessment Rating (SEAR) Level 1, meaning that DHS has determined this event to be significant, with national and international importance, and requiring extensive federal support.



Another interesting video. He mentioned a connection between the truckers and a right wing extremist group in Canada & the US. Something crazy where they're swearing in peace officers to detain counter protesters or other people. He thinks that will get the governments attention because arresting and detaining people is strictly limited to the government, private citizens can't act as the police. As a result, he thinks the government will be more likely to put an end to it. Again, I'm just sharing his opinion.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pw2CDzAU7EA